WIP:Asian Head

[Icestar]

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[Icestar]

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[xeno]

it is indeed looking asian already, but maybe u could make the jaw a little wider, and the chin a little less pointy?

[qchan]

Sorry, but it's not looking asian.
It's even far away from looking human.

Take some reference pictures!

[HapZungLam]

qchan: don't be offensive, that's very hurt. You are hurting me also in a way. Since asians are looking like this, i mean. We don't have thick eyebrow, eyes are not sucked in, noses are flat and things like that.

Please don't say asians are alien like, it hurts.:cry:

[Icestar]

thx for the crits, i shall make the improvements! At least two people agree that it is asian looking.

[qchan]

I would like to apologize for my harsh and inconsiderate words, HapZungLam. I did not have the intention to hurt you or any other one.
I�fm not Asian. But my girlfriend is Japanese. And because I love her, I know her face very well. Maybe I�fm not right at this point, but in my opinion Icestar�fs head is not looking very Asian. I only criticized Icestar�fs head; I never said Asians are alien like.
I will not be too hard, but I think he should really take some references like me, too. Maybe I should send him some of my girlfriends fashion journals.

qchan

[Icestar]

here is a newer improved version hope it looks more human this time....

[damonleung78]

This is going to be my first post although ive been hovering around the threads to see people are doing.

For suggestions and i think that this might apply to anyone modelling a head is that all heads are different shapes and sizes. But there are features that make us different. I think that the remark that qchan made is unfair but i can also see where he is going with that comment.

your model is better than the first posting but you should use as much reference as possible... so if you are modelling an asian head you should study the head and find out what makes an asian the way we look (im asian myself). But keep in mind that you model the way you want to... and if you can convince the rest of us that the model is asian regardless of its looks (perhaps the textures could make the difference)

My two cents and its welcome for bashing if you guys feel otherwise.

- Damon

[Icestar]

I hate you! I hate you! I hate you!!!!
lol kidding,yeah i do agree that getting the features right is really hard, and i do agree that qchan's comments were harsh but hey you can't expect to post anything on a public board without some bashing every now and then, specially when you're asking for crits. but i'll get there eventually and yes i do think that texture would make a world of difference to this.....as long as i get around to it..: ) thx for the c&c

[Icestar]

hopefully I've hit the jackpot now.....
improvements with more asiatic features, C&C plz, am i finally there or do i need more fixing?

[MDuffy]

Icestar, are you using photographic reference for the asian face, of are you going off of memory or what you think an asian face should look like? Also, are you going for a realistic (easy to crit) or stylized (hard to crit) face?

I think there are some anatomical features you should be paying closer attention to when modeling the face, and the best way to learn those is through careful study of anatomy books and photographs.

I'll comment more later once I know what you are going for. :)

Good Luck,
Michael Duffy
mduffy@ionet.net

[Icestar]

i guess i'm going both photographic and off memory, i dont want my face to turn out exactly like the photo i'm using, and yes i am going for a more realistic approach.

[purecharisma]

Looks like you have a great start. Keep the updates coming. Do you have a reference photo of what you are modeling? Would be nice to see. I think you sould try modeling to the photo to keep it in perspective and then go back and alter it so it does not look like the photo.

[Icestar]

ok another update with textured green eyes, a very uncommon trait in asians but my fav. I have it close to where i want it to be.:bounce:

[MDuffy]

The model is far enough along where I can start to assume that this is an asian male character. At least that's how it's looking to me. Your ears are a bit high, and the back of the jaw a bit long I think. The ears also look a little too "soft" and could use some more definition. The nostrils seem a bit soft too, and could use stronger edges at the bottom outside edges of the nostrils. The skull is too short, with more height required in the cranium. Eyes should hit about midway in the face. It's a bit tough to judge overall head proportions from just a single perspective view.

It would be cool to see some other views, as well as some of your reference photos you are basing the head on.

Overall, it is MUCH improved from the first blue head you posted. (^_^)


Later,
Michael Duffy
mduffy@ionet.net

[Icestar]

thank you so much for that, i love criticism because when you work on something for a long time you tend to not notice mistakes.and the blue head was an alpha, and as it is right now is the beta. i actually intended for it to be a female but as i made changes it seems to have taken on male characteristics as well. oh well. back to work.

[olga8515]

I guess the forehead should be much higher, cuz eyes normally divide a head into 2 equal parts...not sure about asian heads though:)

[qchan]

Your last post of the head is a big improvement over the first ones. Good Work! And I don't think the head has more male characteristics as mentioned above.
I like the eye area, and the nose and the lips have already some good characteristics. Maybe you habe to correct the nostrils some bit and set the upper lip some units back. And the corner of the lips needs a more precise definition. But I can't say it exactly since I need more different perspectives and some orthos to judge it better. The biggest problem I see in the jaw and the ears. The jaw is a little bulky and is indeet very maskulin but already much better as in the earlier versions. And the ears are far away from being realistic, they look very primitive. Also the cheeks need more refinement. The shape of the eyes are not correct and a little bit sad as I can see it now. The outer contour from the bottom eye lid is too high at the point where the lowest point should be, and it has also a little sharp edge. And the forehead is indeed a little low and the eye bows are too high at the outside. One last thing that disturbs my impression; either the eyes are a nuance too back in the skull or the jaw is a tiny bit too far outside.

[Annuostivix]

hehe, your mesh looks so clean. I like it, I'm not sure exactly what you're going for though I think you may needs to slim out the jaw and give the eyes a little more character, I might be wrong anyway. I really like it, I wish I could model as cleanly. That was quite the business earlier in the thread, but I have no idea what the difference between an asian and some other person might be, they all seem to be quite similar. Maybe thats where my details go wrong =) Well, keep it up, I definitely would like to see more.:)

[Icestar]

ok this will be my last post for the thread, i've done little(due to spending too much time at the beach:D ,)over the last few days, but I've made all suggested changes apart from the ears(which i will work on later) and have started on the body. the head is not yet attached, and i'm also aware of the various shoulder, collar bone region probs,flat stomach, though i dont know why i'm bothering, she'll be wearing a kimono, so only 20% of the body will be showing. I'll be finishing her up (clothed,textured,"haired")this week or next week so expect a post in the finished/gallery section.

[Icestar]

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[Araval]

Nice model :thumbsup:
I like that "soft" modelling. Woman face should be clean, and soft... so that face looks nice.
Yess... face really looks like a asian face :thumbsup:
I wait for finished work

[Annuostivix]

your project is coming along really well, and from when i first saw the head, this is a huge improvement. I could definitely take tips on your wire frames, they're so much cleaner than my own. And yeah, it does look very asian. I also like how you didn't give it enourmous breasts, because somehow it has more character without that cliche approach to sex appeal. Well I'm really looking forward to some arms and legs, then maybe some hair one day and some texturing. i hope you keep up on this good work :)

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