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AlexCo
09-17-2006, 09:10 PM
Hy guys! Finaly started a wip again(been busy with freelancing). Well... a nightmare again... it`s about a gril i had in my dream... she was about 5-6 years old. U will see the dream as i progress...

I`m modeling a friend wich will play the role of the little girl(my friend is 15 years old, but i`ll modify where necesary :) ). This is the progress on the girl`s face(i`ll still work on the nose... to make it perfect). I will model everything with care... no more roughing... then sculpt and paint in zbrush where necesary.

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/497422ae-flory1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/publicimage/497422ae-flory1_jpg/)

wire:

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/f7bf8a58-flory1_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/f7bf8a58-flory1_wire_jpg/)

if u want i`ll publish some refrences that i`m using

NovaKane
09-17-2006, 09:24 PM
Hm the idea seams quite nice lunaticu, ill deffenetly be checking this thread out..
as of right now there isnt too much to crit since its only the nose so far.. but it does look like your doing a good job on the topology side :).. keep it up

and yes it would be interesting to see what kind of reference your using.

Cheers.
-waiting for updates :D

AlexCo
09-18-2006, 06:02 AM
update... made the mouth...

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/c345dba1-flory2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/c345dba1-flory2_jpg/)

wire

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/238c3475-flory2_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/238c3475-flory2_wire_jpg/)

i`m glad u like her :D and the modeling too.. :D

next: tweek the mouth a little more to get the general shape correct. Then i`m gonna continue with the chin, and maybe the eyes.

M31
09-18-2006, 06:57 AM
Looks like you're off to a good start! :) I recommend you check out this thread:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=400888&page=1&pp=15

Sebastien has done an amazing job of modelling a little girl! :)

I look forward to seeing what you'll do with your model!

AlexCo
09-18-2006, 03:18 PM
update on the face... still lots to do... and lots of tweeking on the nose.... and a lot on the eyes.

thx for the reply :)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/3611f5ff-flory3_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/3611f5ff-flory3_jpg/)

wire:

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/9b7547c1-flory3_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/9b7547c1-flory3_wire_jpg/)

NovaKane
09-18-2006, 05:52 PM
Hey man! nice updates :) everything seams to come together...
but im seeing some triangles in the nose and cheek area, the good thing is that they are easy to fix for the most part
heres a pic :)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/untitled.jpg
hopefully this can help you :)
another thing that i think needs tweaking is the transition from the eye socket to the nose bridge...

ahh i just noticed .. you should try to get more mouth loops.. this will help your geomtry deform better

well keep it up man!! can wait to see more updates
Cheers

AlexCo
09-19-2006, 07:17 AM
update on the eyes, mouth and jaw... i`ll continualy tweek everyting till i get it right :) and fixed a lot of broken topology.

thx man. that helped me... i will contiualy fix broken topology when i see it...

renders:

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/2ee1c5ff-flory4_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/2ee1c5ff-flory4_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/4ca88185-flory4_1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/4ca88185-flory4_1_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/9233887c-flory4_2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/9233887c-flory4_2_jpg/)


wire:

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/464540f8-flory4_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/464540f8-flory4_wire_jpg/)

i hope u like the update... i can`t wait to bring her to zbrush to mess her up :D

NovaKane
09-19-2006, 08:30 AM
Hey man everything its looking better in each update :)
there are some things that i see now...
-the eye arrrea i just pointed out that it needs that extra detail in there
here is a pic
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/untitled-1.jpg
im not sure if you can read the pic but what it says is that the chin might be too square
and to thin out the nose a bit.. and the eye
but hey man keep it up!
everything its coming together and it can only get better :D
oh yeah, i hope you took more refference pics besides the front and side, because its just a good idea to have all the angles (well.. alot of them) that way you can compare

AlexCo
09-19-2006, 08:34 AM
thx man... yes i`ve took a lot of pics... i use them... and thx for the advice... i appriciate for helping me... looking forword for more crits :) expect update tonight :)

NovaKane
09-19-2006, 06:21 PM
yeah no problem man! thats why we are here for right helping eachother ill be waiting for the updates :buttrock:

Cheers:D

AlexCo
09-19-2006, 09:43 PM
thx... i appriciate that....

update!

more done, more tweeked, more clean. Still a lot to do!

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/0ce3c75d-flory5_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/0ce3c75d-flory5_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/382619ec-flory5_1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/382619ec-flory5_1_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/bb6cb78b-flory5_2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/bb6cb78b-flory5_2_jpg/)


i`m working slow cuz i have school and freelance to take care of too.... but i`ll finish this :D with your help guys :)

AlexCo
09-20-2006, 04:37 PM
Update on the head... i`ve finished it... i need to tweek the nose and the eyes. Then start zbrushing

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/43e2f85b-flory5_1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/43e2f85b-flory5_1_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/2692f5de-flory5_2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/2692f5de-flory5_2_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/f63e50e4-flory5_3_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/f63e50e4-flory5_3_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/9dea8891-flory5_4_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/9dea8891-flory5_4_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/74e0ef82-flory6_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/74e0ef82-flory6_jpg/)

NovaKane
09-20-2006, 05:38 PM
hmm i think before you go into Zbrush you should first fix some proportions, and tweak the head a little more.

I think the ear area needs some work as well as the nose and eyes.
here is some pointer.. what i usually do with my models is that i detach the part that i will be working on so i can focus just on it, and that way i can spend that bit of extra time just making it look as it should :)
here its an example, its just the lips that are detached from the model...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/11.jpg
hope this helps
keep it up man!
Cheers

AlexCo
09-20-2006, 08:42 PM
fixed a lot of errors... changed the topology of the mouth and eyes... made the expresion in max and zbrush. I will detail all the things in z :)

I wanna make like craks in the face and stuff like that..... just like it was in my nighmare :)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/954975bb-zbrush1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/954975bb-zbrush1_jpg/)

i hope u like it

NovaKane
09-20-2006, 11:54 PM
hmm i dont know if its looking like a girl anymore... i think it needs some more teaking make it more "cute" like (even though its supposed to be scary)

tin-tin
09-21-2006, 12:03 AM
I think you need good reference, proportion look off to me.

NovaKane
09-21-2006, 12:06 AM
well he did say he took lots of refference pics, but i think he should look at it more closely if he does have them

tin-tin
09-21-2006, 12:12 AM
My bad, sorry Lunaticu I guess you already have the reference:).

AlexCo
09-21-2006, 05:50 AM
Nova, tintin50 thx... but this had to be a surprize... i wanted to make her like that... it will look better with teeth eyes and hair.

So the title "the cute little girl" is ironical ;) i hope u guys understand.

well... the refrence show that the proportions are good....

p.s. she has a preety big ears... but u can`t see them cuz she has long black hair :) but the rest looks normal too me.

AlexCo
09-21-2006, 02:40 PM
it doesn`t look like the refrence cuz i`ve implemented the "nighmare" on her.

well... i scrapped the cracks on the face... and i detailed the face, the expresion... still more to come... i hope u like it.


http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/96230135-zbrush2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/96230135-zbrush2_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/3bab0d9e-zbrush3_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/3bab0d9e-zbrush3_jpg/)

AlexCo
09-21-2006, 06:10 PM
made some pores.... i`ll reduce them from arround the mouth.... and the jaw and from the forehead.

i`ll make some pimples and stuff...

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/455e9acc-zbrush4_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/455e9acc-zbrush4_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/55c9b96a-zbrush5_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/55c9b96a-zbrush5_jpg/)

but anyway... in max they will not be so visible :)

AlexCo
09-22-2006, 09:47 PM
i got some updates on the girl... i hope u like them...

i made the skin... still need to tweek it... i need to make some good hair material... put some clothes on her and it`s done....

well this turned out to be another character from my nightmares... an angry lady... i hope it turnes out good.

I`ll decreese the specular. And change the lighting.

Still a lot of work to do!

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/46c66e44-max3_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/46c66e44-max3_jpg/)

AlexCo
09-23-2006, 06:47 AM
i`m gonna scrap this head... and go in the direction i intended....

i`m gonna remodel the head... and put a 14-15 year old girl in the scene. Expect updates!

AlexCo
09-23-2006, 02:40 PM
started the nose again... worked at it for about an hour... tryied to match it perfectly to the blueprints.

render1:
http://www.slibe.com/image/32a3f881-nose_jpg/
render2:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/0fee5a9f-nose1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/0fee5a9f-nose1_jpg/)
wire:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/d5dc33b0-nose_wire_smooth.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/d5dc33b0-nose_wire_smooth/)

AlexCo
09-23-2006, 09:10 PM
a little update.... not much but i`m keeping up with the refrence.

renders:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/c690d046-girl1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/c690d046-girl1_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/45cf39c6-girl1_2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/45cf39c6-girl1_2_jpg/)
wires:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/18cbd779-girl1_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/18cbd779-girl1_wire_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/74981dae-girl1_wire1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/74981dae-girl1_wire1_jpg/)

AlexCo
09-24-2006, 05:49 PM
update on the eyes and a bit on the forehead... i`m keeping up with the refrence... but i need to tweek the top of the nose and the bottom of the forhead... i hope u like it till now.

renders:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/2ea91c43-girl2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/2ea91c43-girl2_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/dd203d8d-girl2_1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/dd203d8d-girl2_1_jpg/)
wire:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/d5b48028-girl2_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/d5b48028-girl2_wire_jpg/)

C&C would be apriciated

Silas3d
09-24-2006, 05:51 PM
this looks like her... good modeling

NovaKane
09-25-2006, 01:33 AM
nice man, better than before too... im not too sure where you were going before, since the last update didnt look like a little girl (or young girl) eh.. its good though because from each try you learn more and you can see what works or not

godd job here is my crit
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/untitled-2.jpg (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/untitled-2.jpg)

keep it up!!
make sure you work the eye socket area.. its happening the same thing as before
oh yeah.. good job on the topology flow... you deffenetly took your time and worked at it

Cheers

tin-tin
09-25-2006, 05:34 AM
Yeah this looking a lot better:), its getting there well done and keep going.

AlexCo
09-25-2006, 10:06 PM
update... topology fixed. I can`t work to much on the project cuz of school and freelance jobs.

render:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/a841c487-girl3_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/a841c487-girl3_jpg/)

wire:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/21acd39f-girl3_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/21acd39f-girl3_wire_jpg/)

thx guys for replies!

C&C would be apriciated!

AlexCo
09-26-2006, 08:42 PM
update... made the mouth. still have to tweek it a bit :) i hope u like it too!

renders:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/fde0e244-girl4_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/fde0e244-girl4_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/f5bcbec5-girl4_1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/f5bcbec5-girl4_1_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/0dd6618a-girl4_2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/0dd6618a-girl4_2_jpg/)
wire:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/d12e404d-girl4_wire_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/d12e404d-girl4_wire_jpg/)

C&C would be appriciated

betito
09-26-2006, 10:45 PM
Yeah, she looks a lot better now, keep going man

NovaKane
09-27-2006, 12:24 AM
hey man really nice progress there.. ic that you are paying good attention to your geometry flow, there are areas to be polished but i know you know that :) keep it up though.. its looking quite nice..

here are my crits
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/2-1.jpg

its looking soo much better now man.. keep it up!!!1
Cheers

graphacks
09-27-2006, 03:18 AM
does look much better now.

One thing to watch out for as you redo it is that the eyes are halfway up the head...a lot of people get this wrong. Looking at your first attempt there was totally not enough head above the eyes.

Keep it up! It's great to know when to scrap and start over!

AlexCo
09-27-2006, 08:49 AM
thx guys for the comments and tips(they realy help me be better and improve)!

made some progress(had more free time) made the chin and the top of the neck. Fixed the smile and tweeked the cheeks a bit.

Renders:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/8772c1c6-girl5_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/8772c1c6-girl5_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/29fe10ab-girl5_1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/29fe10ab-girl5_1_jpg/)
A lot of wireframes:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/e74c12cb-girl5_wire_front.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/e74c12cb-girl5_wire_front/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/9dc9a9e0-girl5_wire_side_.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/9dc9a9e0-girl5_wire_side_/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/d71de621-girl5_wire_persp.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/d71de621-girl5_wire_persp/)

still have to tweek the chin a bit... i hope you like it! C&C would be appriciated!

NovaKane
09-27-2006, 12:43 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/Untitled-1-1.jpg
:)

keep it up
Cheers!:D

AlexCo
09-27-2006, 08:19 PM
thx Nova!

Update... onlu have to complete the head now.
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/91055fce-girl6_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/91055fce-girl6_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/cf58744f-girl6_1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/cf58744f-girl6_1_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/2cd0151b-girl6_2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/2cd0151b-girl6_2_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/8c332c09-girl6_3_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/8c332c09-girl6_3_jpg/)
wires:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/0eaabf8d-girl6_wire1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/0eaabf8d-girl6_wire1_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/4d911738-girl6_2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/4d911738-girl6_2_jpg/)
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/da764088-girl6_wire3_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/da764088-girl6_wire3_jpg/)

NovaKane
09-28-2006, 03:24 AM
man everything its looking very nice. its all coming together nicely.. only crit now is that i think the ear right now its too flushed against the head

an ear angles a bit out.. here is some refference... i know its not the same person that your modeling, but even though click me (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/lewisu20/girl_nathalie_portman021.jpg)

check it out..

keep it up
Cheers

AlexCo
09-28-2006, 08:09 AM
thx nova

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/1bb58cbe-girl7_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/1bb58cbe-girl7_jpg/)

i`ve completeded the head, it`s the base mesh, i`ll detail, and texture in zbrush.(and i tweeked the ears, thx for the tip).

any critiques b4 going to zbrush?

AlexCo
09-28-2006, 09:39 AM
unwrapped and impoted to zbrush. Applied a material on her... the rest will come later on.

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/377ccb60-zbrush_flory1_jp.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/377ccb60-zbrush_flory1_jp/)

AlexCo
09-28-2006, 08:19 PM
update... i made some little detailes here and there....

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/ee19d686-zbrush_flory2_jp.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/ee19d686-zbrush_flory2_jp/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/bfd4d7dc-lipdetails_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/bfd4d7dc-lipdetails_jpg/)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/5e3877e7-detail_ear_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/5e3877e7-detail_ear_jpg/)

C&C pls

i`ll start painting tomorow.

DaleMooney
09-28-2006, 08:31 PM
Looking Very Nice! :D cant wait to see some updates :)

AlexCo
09-29-2006, 07:48 AM
thx DaleMooney

detail on the eyes:

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/aab74d11-zbrush_flory3_jp.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/aab74d11-zbrush_flory3_jp/)

NovaKane
09-29-2006, 08:29 AM
hmm im not sure but, i think the neck its looking kind of too thick.. not sure maybe its the angle.

jomuller11
09-29-2006, 12:21 PM
I`m agree with NovaKane about de neck!
But looks fantastic just a little details !
Keep on it!

AlexCo
10-01-2006, 06:15 AM
thx guys! sorry for not updating i n a while but i had some problems. Maybe some updates this week!

AlexCo
10-02-2006, 08:29 PM
update...

made the skin... still have to tweek it.... :D

made the hair... still have to tweek it... :)

grey render:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/75539397-m_rayflory_gri_j.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/75539397-m_rayflory_gri_j/)
skin render(i have to work at the ilumination too):
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/4946c98c-m_rayflory4_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/4946c98c-m_rayflory4_jpg/)

in the end i`ll add an oclusion pass so it will look better(i hope)

please give me tips on the skin(my first time using it).

AlexCo
10-03-2006, 05:38 AM
i have to tweek the hair... make it more thin

this is a render with no modifications but with all the hair and an oclusion pass... i like this way better. I hope u like it too.

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/a82637b2-m_rayflory5_o_l_.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/a82637b2-m_rayflory5_o_l_/)

AlexCo
10-03-2006, 09:33 AM
please say something guys... i know i`m not well known here... but say anything u like.... like:" i don`t like it" " change that..." "do that..." i feel kinda alone here... help me out please...

unknowngod430
10-03-2006, 12:04 PM
i still think the mouth curvature looks funny but besides that i think she looks a little too healthy for a "nightmare" character

AlexCo
10-03-2006, 01:46 PM
thx for the reply... well.. i want to make a realistic render of her... then transform her into the nightmare character that i want.(ideea got in the progress of the work)

well... the mouth curvature is exactly like in the blueprint :)

unknowngod430
10-03-2006, 08:09 PM
I don't know either you have tomuch curvature on the lips or the edges are not lined up with the edge of te lip because u're model has a cheesey smile. whereas the lips in the photo are very straight across.

AlexCo
10-04-2006, 06:14 AM
lil update:
http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/6da11700-m_rayflory6_with.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/6da11700-m_rayflory6_with/)

please give some tips on improving.

AlexCo
10-05-2006, 06:54 AM
update again.... not having to much time to work on it....

a render with ocl:

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/666e2fd4-m_rayflory7_with.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/666e2fd4-m_rayflory7_with/)

original render:

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/71b6233a-m_rayflory7_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/71b6233a-m_rayflory7_jpg/)

i fixed the lips... i still have to work on them...

i gonna work at the eyes....

hope you like it.

please give some tips....

AlexCo
10-06-2006, 11:11 AM
thx for the tips... i`ve redone the smile... and i have to paint the textures again... and detail the ear...

i`ll be off in the weekend so expect updates tuesday...

please let me know is is this ok... and if u like it(or not)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/7f18b836-flory1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/7f18b836-flory1_jpg/)

i hope u like it :)

AlexCo
10-06-2006, 11:50 AM
i made a quick update on skull ear and neck muscles and bones(still have to work on them)

and on the "double chin"

this is a lot better ;)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/79a38616-flory2_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/79a38616-flory2_jpg/)

unknowngod430
10-06-2006, 01:42 PM
looking better keep working on the neck muscles and u'll be A ok... Lips look alot better in my opinion.

AlexCo
10-10-2006, 03:30 AM
hey guys! i came home and i worked last night on the hair... this is the result(thiner and more hair ;), new mat on the hair also, less shiny)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/47ee6ac4-floryhair1_jpg.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/47ee6ac4-floryhair1_jpg/)

Baothebuff
10-10-2006, 05:37 AM
The lips are looking better. I think proportion wise, the top of the head is a little short. Usually, when looking from the front, eyes should be in the middle between the chin and the top of the head.

AlexCo
10-10-2006, 08:15 PM
thx man for the tips. I checked the proportions with the blueprints and it`s a ok :)

I have a render with a bit of postwork of the new face with the new mat... this looks better still have to work on the lighting to make it look better. Next render will be with the hair :)

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/53d02893-gilr_skin3_witho.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/53d02893-gilr_skin3_witho/)

AlexCo
10-11-2006, 06:34 AM
this is my first time using m-ray(ilumination and skin mat), hair modifier and such... so please bear with me... i`m trying realy hard to achive something...

new ilumination... i feel that it`s getting better.

i`m gonna work at the specular map and epidermal, and i`m gonna make her a swim suit or something. And i`m gonna work on the mouth.

http://www.slibe.com/imagestumb/1b7730f2-gilr_skin4_with_.jpg (http://www.slibe.com/image/1b7730f2-gilr_skin4_with_/)

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