Back to the business of Messiah and what it can do today

[AAAron]

Is there a noise feeding the light to give the "smoke" it´s puffiness or it that the GI

[rush123]

Hi AAAron,

No noise feeding the light directly, the noise is controlled by the ‘Noise Gain’ setting in the ‘Atmosphere’ block. Here a 2 quick screen shots, the NG = 0.59

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7682/aaron01xl2.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaron01xl2.jpg)

The second NG = 1.0

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3343/aaron02jf8.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaron02jf8.jpg)

These are extreme setting to show the point, hopefully. :)

R

[AAAron]

cool! thx for the info bits. :thumbsup:

[PaulNewman]

Excellent stuff :thumbsup: I'd love to see how you progressively discover new things. Are you rendering with 4 threads there? What system specs are you on?

[rush123]

Thanks Paul,

Currently, I’ve got Dual Core desktop with 2GB Ram, and as a result I’m able to run 4 threads and everything is pretty fast (beats the Compaq Deskpro DN now sitting in a corner!).

I’ve got some stuff coming up that I didn’t think were possible with particles, also some Speed Hazer stuff. Yeah I’m really digging Messiah at the moment and have realised that this stuff has always (mostly anyway) been possible just needed me to experiment a little.

R

[rush123]

Anyone remember Messiah particles? There was quite an extensive upgrade in this area in 2.4x as shown in this thread : http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341051&highlight=particles. I’ve recently been continuing my further study of Messiah particles, and been pleased with the scoope of effects possible. Here are 3 WIP examples of effects using particles and procedurals that aren’t the usually smoke and fire examples.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3059/particlesfunrp2.th.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=particlesfunrp2.jpg)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4547/particlesfootballfun03if7.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=particlesfootballfun03if7.jpg)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/213/feathers01ui9.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=feathers01ui9.jpg)

R

[Nichod]

Very nice Rush. Is the aliasing on the top grass due to Messiah rendering or compression?

[dobermunk]

rush! Wow, you've really brought this along. The grass has solidity and - if not knicks - then shap in its curve. Great!

[rush123]

Thought I’d post a frame from my fluid simulation early tests. The fluid simulation was calculated in Blender (thanks to Nichod for the Blender advise) and exported as a series of 60 obj files, loaded in Messiah via ‘DMorph’, textured using ‘Easy Glass’ and a quickly rendered. I will provide a link to the complete simulation later.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6672/winefluidssim03zw3.th.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winefluidssim03zw3.jpg)

R

edit: I've improved the render quality.

[Nichod]

Thought I’d post a frame from my fluid simulation early tests. The fluid simulation was calculated in Blender (thanks to Nichod for the Blender advise) and exported as a series of 60 obj files, loaded in Messiah via ‘DMorph’, textured using ‘Easy Glass’ and a quickly rendered. I will provide a link to the complete simulation later.

Still looks a little blocky. I thought you increased the subdivisions. I'm betting you didn't check to make the surface smooth. I can work up a quick file for you, if you'd like. Its pretty great that we can create a fluid sim in blender and bring it into Messiah.

Thanks for the help with particles Rush.

[rush123]

I’m continuing exploration of Blender fluids, this time adding a few obstacles in the shape of square blocks. Again loaded in Messiah via ‘DMorph’, textured using ‘Easy Glass’ and a quickly rendered.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1076/waterfluidsobjects02xz1.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=waterfluidsobjects02xz1.jpg)

R

[rush123]

Though I really like Messiah's displacement ability, I didn’t like the fact that I couldn’t see what was been displaced until after a render (I think this has been bought up before.) Well one solution is to use the ‘Bloat’ effect dynamically to control the displacement, allowing you to see in the viewport the displacement and all the other controls you have by using an effector. Below is an example.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7842/bloatdisplaceqm2.th.png (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bloatdisplaceqm2.png)

I’ve also attached a link where the file is available and a quick animation demonstrating the effect.
http://www.babylondreams.de/wordpress/displacement-using-bloat-effector-in-messiah/

(Many thanks to Alex for space on his blog )

R

[rush123]

A frame from an explosion effect animation created with a gradient and procedural noise.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1328/particleexplosionlx4.th.png (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=particleexplosionlx4.png)

R

[AAAron]

Hey don´t be shy, give us a quicktime!:D

[PaulNewman]

Inspiring work going on here :thumbsup:

[rush123]

Here are two interesting (well I think they are interesting), intricate particle effect. Hopefully it shows the diversity of what is possible with particles shader nodes in Messiah.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7236/particleeffect05ql1.th.png (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=particleeffect05ql1.png)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4/particleeffect06ez8.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=particleeffect06ez8.png)

AAAron: I will post the animation hopefully on Alexk's blogg with node flows etc, when I get a bit more time.

PaulNewman: thanks for your comment


R

[AAAron]

Those last one are so nice, really like them:thumbsup: They are very stylistic!

[rush123]

Some procedurals surfaces that I’ve made, if anybody wants them just shout .

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9140/shaderlime01nz4.th.png (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shaderlime01nz4.png)

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3496/shaderrock01il6.th.png (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shaderrock01il6.png)

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/7691/shaderstone01jh2.th.png (http://img326.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shaderstone01jh2.png)

R

[stooch]

perty cool! this program desperately needs some good presets so share away !

[Parsec3d]

wow the last one looks like a furball :) ,, well more like wool

[rush123]

Thanks for the kind comments, and here is my last three for now.

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/8796/shadersmoke01gx7.th.png (http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shadersmoke01gx7.png)

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/1466/shaderclay01bx0.th.png (http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shaderclay01bx0.png)

http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/2778/shaderabstract01we3.th.png (http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shaderabstract01we3.png)

R

[rush123]

Some more procedural fun, using Noise, Gradient, and TLHPro Distance nodes. The spot is controlled via a null

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/970/effectsblock01zd2.th.png (http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=effectsblock01zd2.png)

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/3651/effectsblock02av0.th.png (http://img274.imageshack.us/my.php?image=effectsblock02av0.png)



R

[rush123]

Caustics play

The next set of pics is some caustics examples I played with over the weekend. All use TLHPro Easyglass (great glass shader) and TLHPro_Occlusion.

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9597/caustics07vq4.th.png (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caustics07vq4.png)

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9207/causticsplay04wp7.th.png (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=causticsplay04wp7.png)

R

[AAAron]

Looks great:thumbsup:

[rush123]

Thanks Aaaron

and the one I forgot

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5189/causticsplay05jj7.th.png (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=causticsplay05jj7.png)

R

[Wegg]

Very fun stuff Rush. I love these tests your doing.

[rush123]

I’ve recently tried a different approach to attempting to create something resembling hair in Messiah, here is an early example. Created using particles and procedurals.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2184/hairstudy04ie8.th.png (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hairstudy04ie8.png)

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7179/hairstudy05dx5.th.png (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hairstudy05dx5.png)

R

[dobermunk]

rush321:
Looks great. This is so far beyond my current understanding of messiah - could you post a screenshot of the nodes and item list?

[Dann-O]

Caustic shots are great and would like to see of the hair or the grass can be used in a overall pic (a beard or a grassy hill) . Then it is beyond a simple experement to something useful.

[pnoland]

Wow, the hair renders look pretty slick! I need to start poking around Messiah's particle system after seeing what you and Wegg have been up to with it. :)

[rush123]

dobermunk: I will post a screen shot when I've simplified the node flow a bit more. Thanks for your comments

Dann-O:Thanks for your comments. All the examples on in this thread can be used in what ever manner is required. The idea of this thread was to prove Messiah capabilities in certain areas rarely talked about outside #messiah3d.(Messiah chat).

pnoland:Please do! It really is very good.

last of all one more pic.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9325/furstudy04ib4.th.png (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=furstudy04ib4.png)

R

[rush123]

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4280/hairstudy15gt1.th.png (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hairstudy15gt1.png)

Here is a recent shot of my most recent (make do) hair/fur studies. Generated using 1300 particles emitted from and locked to mesh object, shading is all standard nodes.

This one is tighter to the geometry:

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8384/furstudy20qg4.th.png (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=furstudy20qg4.png)

R

[Julez4001]

Thats some great experiments you got going there - Rush!


You are a beast.

Guess i need to get back into the game.

[rush123]

Happy New Year. Thought I’d start the year with a few renders from end of last year, all use the technique of ‘Bloat effect weighting’ on a simple sphere. (technique is described in post #13 of this thread). There are a few difference though, ‘MetaWeight’ is driving the bloat effect which has allowed me to stack ‘procedurals’ and fine control is via a ‘MetaEffector’ (small screen shot)

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7703/example01ut7.th.png (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=example01ut7.png)
The ‘MetaEffector’ is only applied to the top of the sphere, and of course it can be animated as required.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/450/weighteddisplacedbloat0mu1.th.png (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weighteddisplacedbloat0mu1.png)
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9681/glassbloatdisplace01av9.th.png (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glassbloatdisplace01av9.png)
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6954/glassbloatdisplace02xh2.th.png (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glassbloatdisplace02xh2.png)
Glass shader is ‘Easy Glass’ from TLHPro

R

[rush123]

Forgot to mention that the for me the real benefits of this technique are its real time effect on geometry, and being visible in the 3d view ports as shown in the example below.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1103/example02wz0.th.png (http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=example02wz0.png)

R

[kursad_pileksuz]

nice technique but problem with it is that displacement moves or changes when you move the objects, it does not stay still, does not matter if you even parent it to master object and just move that. Maybe am i missign something here?

Though I really like Messiah's displacement ability, I didn’t like the fact that I couldn’t see what was been displaced until after a render (I think this has been bought up before.) Well one solution is to use the ‘Bloat’ effect dynamically to control the displacement, allowing you to see in the viewport the displacement and all the other controls you have by using an effector. Below is an example.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7842/bloatdisplaceqm2.th.png (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bloatdisplaceqm2.png)

I’ve also attached a link where the file is available and a quick animation demonstrating the effect.
http://www.babylondreams.de/wordpress/displacement-using-bloat-effector-in-messiah/

(Many thanks to Alex for space on his blog )

R

[rush123]

Kursad, you are incorrect, if it is parented correctly the effect will stick to the mesh if required, I’ve demonstrated it for you below, not an animation (need to talk to Alex to get space for that) but it show the upright position in the first and rotation of the object in the next.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7674/example03qk4.th.png (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=example03qk4.png)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5663/example04xf5.th.png (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=example04xf5.png)

Sorry for the basic shading, but its just to demonstrate that you can move the object.

R

[kursad_pileksuz]

Rush, can you please try it with cube shape procedural?

to see the actual problem, please download this video
http://www2.bigupload.com/upload2.php?r=1


Kursad, you are incorrect, if it is parented correctly the effect will stick to the mesh if required, I’ve demonstrated it for you below, not an animation (need to talk to Alex to get space for that) but it show the upright position in the first and rotation of the object in the next.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7674/example03qk4.th.png (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=example03qk4.png)

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5663/example04xf5.th.png (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=example04xf5.png)

Sorry for the basic shading, but its just to demonstrate that you can move the object.

R

[dobermunk]

kursad:
the procedural objects in messiah aren't reliable with displacement. I think of them as shaped nulls. They definitely don't work correctly with displacement maps. Load a mesh and try that.

[Nichod]

Rush. How much control do you get with this? Could you show the realtime displacement of perhaps the shape of a fish going through a tube?

[rush123]

Rush. How much control do you get with this? Could you show the realtime displacement of perhaps the shape of a fish going through a tube?

Nichod, for that type effect you could use 'Spherize', here's a bit from the docs "Spherize is a deformation effect that simulates a spherical force pushing out from inside a model. It can be used for things like muscles, joint compensation (like at the elbows of a character), snakes swallowing food, etc." It also has the weighting possibilities.

R

[Nichod]

It also has the weighting possibilities.

Ahh. So feasibly you could weight the effect so a shape would form within the "spherize"? Correct?

[rush123]

A bit more fun with the ‘bloat’ effect (quick proof of concept), this time 6 pose pictures of a stick man figure (thanks David Maas) in various 2d running poses were loaded as an image sequence, using the technique shown in the thread above, and the ‘procedural’ null was moved along the wall to give the running effect. I’ve attached a small animation.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5911/stickmanbe2.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stickmanbe2.png)

http://www.mediafire.com/?7mdmzzmm21x

R

[dobermunk]

Hey! His feet are sliding!

hehe... looks great. and inspires to play with this more - the stuff you can do with this technique!
I do hope other displacement types are made visible in the view window.

David

[rush123]

Inspired by the recent ‘Speed Hazer’ thread from Wegg, and a question from David I again looked at this useful shader and have some examples to share with the community.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2972/speedhazer03pu6.th.png (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speedhazer03pu6.png)
Ok first off, is the most basic set when speed hazer is being used for blanket fog effect. The min/max distance is controlled by two nulls.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8643/speedhazer04jp4.th.png (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speedhazer04jp4.png)
A procedural textured weight spot has been added to the position of furthest sphere.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6900/speedhazer05eo3.th.png (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speedhazer05eo3.png)
Now the weight spot have been inverted to localize the effect to the weight spot

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6281/glassspeedhazerjm4.th.png (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glassspeedhazerjm4.png)
The technique mentioned above was used to colour this bloated glass effect.

R

[dobermunk]

wow!
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing these...

[ThomasHelzle]

Hi Rush, I really like that last example - would make for a great piece of Motion Graphics with some glow, line art and type... :thumbsup:

Cheers!

[rush123]

Thanks David and Thomas. :)

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/180/speedhazer06pk9.th.png (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speedhazer06pk9.png)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/709/speedhazer07qf4.th.png (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speedhazer07qf4.png)
Here are two more examples where the light has been turned off in the scene

[Wireframes]

Hey Rush you are a real Guru of messiah rendering :thumbsup:

Can you show us more about this one ?

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6281/glassspeedhazerjm4.th.png

Phil

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