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07-29-2007, 07:49 AM
Thank you sir but sorry for me because I said it in a wrong statement. What I like to know is how did he do the layers in the render layers. Sir do you have any idea how to make the fog layer? And how can you composite the shadow layer in AFX? Thanks in advance for the reply...

07-31-2007, 07:45 AM
Looks absolutely stunning. Can't wait to see more of this!

08-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Hi Sebastien, you and Virginie are doing an amazing job! It´s great you share your awesome stuff and your tricks with us ;) I m carefully following this thread since I ve found it because I m also developing (or at least trying to) a shortfilm using maya http://obitusperpetuum.250free.com/main.htm

Please continue showing us your progresses and keep up your great work so far,
I can´t wait to see new material from this short :)


08-02-2007, 11:16 AM
Funny, the avi played fine on my mac. Maybe you don't have the right plug-ins. Try "flip for Mac" or if that don't work get the vlc player.

ssebastienn your demo reel is awesome. I agree with Ville it belongs on the front page.

I use the VLC player and it plays some QuickTime movies more smoothly than Apple's own QuickTime player on my old out of date Mac, so I'll second the recommendation.

This thread is an inspiration.

08-04-2007, 10:39 AM
Yeah !
Absolutely great modeling, texturing, lighting and rendering !
You have a really good feeling with mayasoft. Congratulations.



08-04-2007, 12:24 PM
wow! this thread is still great, I saw it many days ago and lose it. I'm glad that find you to say thta your project is great :thumbsup: . I very like these renders types.

go man :)

08-04-2007, 07:48 PM
Absolutely stunning modeling, texturing, and rendering.
I really want to see this more.


Check out My little red riding hood and wolfman"


08-09-2007, 08:34 AM
:: theblackmage ::
Thanks Isiac! And don’t hesitate to show me your test with Ambiant Occlusion ! :)

:: Mustan9 ::
Woaw thanks Mathew! :) I saw your show reel! You’ve done some nice work too!

:: gfx-cube ::
Thanks Kristan! Virginie should complete all the modeling & texturing of the first out of 3 big sets by the end of next week. So we will start some “real” rendering :)

:: ymhon ::
When you have all your layers rendered (for instance, your Color Pass, Ambient Occlusion Pass, etc) you could try to blend them together by multiplying, overlaying (etc…) them in After Effect.
As for the fog layer, what I do is render a ZDepth Pass (that displays pixel that are near the camera in white and pixels that are away from the camera in black). Then with this black and white image, you setup your favorite compositing software to interpret what’s in black as foggy environment, and what’s white as non-foggy! :o)

:: Taf ::
Thanks Tafadzma ! :o)

:: mtd2004 ::
Thanks Mario ! Your short film looks promising! The Gaston Character is pretty cool. Good luck to you too! :o)

:: Tit-Co ::
Thanks Nicolas! I love Maya Software because it’s very fast. You can tweak your render very easily :p

:: Msaatchi ::
Woaw nice comment! Thanks you Mohammad ! :p

:: szuhwa ::
Thanks! We saw your character too! She’s very nice, has a cute little face! Your werewolf is very good too! Keep up the good work ! :o)

Cheers everyone! Have a nice holidays ! :)
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-09-2007, 08:58 AM
hey man, where are your updates? :banghead:

08-09-2007, 11:10 PM
Wow what a nice trick in making the fog. I thought you used the built-in fog on lights in maya. I didn't knew that.hehe One thing that also confusing me, is your volumelight layer literally a scene with volume light/s with fog on in it?
Thanks again for the big help. Here I just want to show you what I've done although not perfect. Its not yet finish but without you I can't realise things in improving my renderings. Credits are all yours... Thanks very much.

Done in Maya and rendered Maya Default Software Renderer (Wow its so fast).
Sir, I think the famous GI Joe mel script is a good treatment in faking GI in outdoor scenes.
I used it here in this scene and it was great...

08-10-2007, 03:38 PM
Hey what a fantastic job !

must be so great to work with your girl ;) !
I a very impressed. every part of your work is amazing.
I wish i could ask some more explaination about the fake Gi. I am sorry, i did not understand every thing ^^

How exactly do you use your occlusion pass to light so well the final image? Dont get this result in home ! héhé. Did you used combustion special capacity or is it also simple in photoshop or else? Maybe you can explain in french i'll get better ;)

thanks !
courage for next !

08-10-2007, 11:00 PM
so how do you do the zdepth pass?

08-11-2007, 12:43 AM
Hello Sebastien I have been following your project for a while now and I would have to say that I'm very impress with what you have so far. Also, I cant wait to see the end product of your short. From your previous post I heard that you lost an animator Im sorry to hear that; However, if your still in need of one I would love to help you. I will leave my website below for you to check on and let me know what you think.

www.anim8ted-toon.com/portfolio.php (http://www.anim8ted-toon.com/portfolio.php)
(please click on the first 3d image for my 07 demo reel)

08-11-2007, 01:17 AM
=theblackmage (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=258926)=
Yeah how did Mr. Sebastien do the zDepth pass? Recently I asked Mr. Laban how did he do the Fog Pass in his scene and he replied that he used a zDepth to simulate the fog and I'm amazed that it was a good technique. In my sample scene, experimented something and I think its not bad. In a render layer, I put a preset called Luminance Depth (in my version of Maya 8.5 has it, I don't know if there's in Maya 7.0 and 8.0), then I set the camera's DOF to somewhere I'd like to be focused and to be blurred and finally rendered the image. Here is an example...
Then I exported the pass in Photoshop and made it as a layer mask. I just inverted the image because I think it's better to have focus on the floor. If this trick worked in PS, it might also work in AE or Combustion.
It was just an accident on finding how to render a zDepth pass. I just played around and look if there's an alternative and I think it was a good faked one. Tnx...

=xebece (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=291124)=
Sir just want to clear it out if you're pertaining to me or to Mr. Sebastien? Just a little bit confused. But to help you out in faking GI what I've done was I downloaded a MEL Script called GI_Joe. You can search it on the net to download it. Executing the script will tell you that how many lights will it produce. I dont know if the script I downloaded was the very recent but in my case the script gave me options to add 16x2 lights or 64x2 lights in a dome appearance. For example, the upper part (skylight) has 16 lights that cast soft depth map shadows while the lower part (groundlight) has 16 lights also without casting shadows but brightens out the scene. In my case I turned off the shadows in the skylight because the result was not good. I just tweak all the lights to my desired illumination and added another light to with shadow simulate the sun. May it be a directional light or spot light. Then the AmbOcc was the one who detailed the scene and casted the soft shadow. I was lucky that Mr. Sebastien had thought me on how to control AO in Maya using MentalRay and all the credit was to him. Sorry I dont speak in French for me to help you but I hope you understand.

I know this is Mr. Sebastien's blog/thread page but I'm here to help too. He was just a nice and kind person for helping others just like me and for me in return for his kindness, I would like to help out too as a sign of gratitude. :)

08-11-2007, 04:52 AM
Looks fantastic, i think she looks about 7-8...

08-11-2007, 09:13 AM
:: msaatchi ::
see the next post :o) sorry for being late, but we're quite busy right now :)

:: ymhon ::
thanks for helping :)

:: xebece ::
yeah, that's quite an experience :)

:: theblackmage ::
Although i'm not using the same method as ymhon, it works :)

:: anim8tedtoon ::
thank you so much Ryan ! :)

:: MatthewNovak ::
Thanks Matthew ! :o) Perfect age ! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-11-2007, 09:30 AM
Hey everyone! :o)

Big update today, as we are proud to show you the second character of our short film.
It's a little creature nicknamed "Chaussette" (french for “sock”).



Rendered in Maya Software, the fur is made with “Maya Hair”. I’ve created 7 hairNodes (one for the tail, head, body, moustache etc…).

For my creature/animal, I first tried "MAYA FUR", then I tested "MAYA HAIR" for one day. I returned to " MAYA FUR", but kept thinking about where I was able to bring "MAYA HAIR"... so given the constraint of my shortfilm, I finally came back to "MAYA HAIR" and made everything with it. :)

It takes about 40 seconds to render 1 frame.

Chaussette is a mixture of a squirrel, a mouse, a rat, and a pika :)

You can also download a test animation of the little creature here :
DOWNLOAD TEST ANIMATION (http://sebastien.laban.free.fr/cgtalk/laban_beast_01.wmv) (500ko, WMV, 640x480)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-11-2007, 09:42 AM
Amazing :) I love the way he moves around.

08-12-2007, 01:15 AM
awesome man, there is somuch i need to learn in maya.

who did that animation btw?

also i'm starting something to test out your render passes, i pm you about it later...

08-12-2007, 08:24 AM
Great animation for the beast ! You have very good capabilities !
To my mind, you don't need animator for the next. Just do it by yourself and you'll keep your precious style for the short. That's for sure.
Actually, It's just my opinion ! :)

Good Luck.

08-12-2007, 10:01 AM
oh WOW :scream:......Can you show model mouse ?

08-12-2007, 10:39 AM

As i promised before, here are the wireframe of the objects Virginie have made ! :)


... and next, is the Rigg for the little creature with all the bones, controls and more ! :)




As we are on holidays, we can post more updates! :)

Hope you like it, for now, i'm cleaning the Meline character. I'll make an animation of Meline soon to find her personnality, to see how she could move.
It's also going to fix the dynamic of the dress and the hair system work! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-12-2007, 10:46 AM
thank... :) take care, bless You all good folks...XD

08-12-2007, 01:14 PM
Inspiring and great to look at!

08-12-2007, 03:29 PM
Fantastic!!! O_o I cant wait the final film.:)

08-12-2007, 10:17 PM
Looks incredible! Test animations look really sweet too, looking forward to seeing more!

08-13-2007, 02:41 AM
awesome man! i love the hair setup, it makes the model look way nicer and more complicated than it really is! the model looks alot more diffrent than i pictured it from the other images lol.

can you explain your ligh set-up a bit?

08-13-2007, 07:42 AM
all i can say is that its a professional work ur doing.great job.. :thumbsup:
and the girls is really cute :)
and i looked at ur website...as i havent worked on a full fledged animated movie, i was wondering some stuff..how do u put those glowy effect on ur renders where the light falls with high intensity.i mean do u render it or render it in another pass and composite it or do the glow in the compositing software itself....cuz i think the glow shaders increase the render times very high and its not quite possible for me at least to render complete animated sequences with all that stuff...im asking this as im not into much compositing stuff and it wud be great to learn how its actually done with deadlines other issues popping in...

08-13-2007, 02:35 PM
Your pulling off great looking results with such low-polygon counts. It's very impressive, and I'm impressed with how consistant you are with your style. I would have problems making so many 3D assets feel like they belong together.

Great job, and great fur!

08-13-2007, 06:20 PM
hello, there!

just wanted to say that this project looks incredible.

keep up with your good job.



08-14-2007, 06:51 AM
Wow!!! Stunningly great... Definitely you and your girl was astonishingly great...

08-14-2007, 07:12 AM
hey very nice work.....

what i like most in your work is the lighting part
keep it up

08-18-2007, 10:34 AM
:: Zork ::
You’re welcome Tomasz !:o)

:: NuArt ::
Thanks for the comment! :) Good luck with your work Frederik ! :p

:: Sanislov ::
Thank you Balazs! Me too, I can’t waitr to see the final film ! :o)

:: Fess1001 ::
I’m sooo happy you enjoyed the test animation! Stay tune for updates!:o)
I’m made an animation of Meline, playing with that butterfly! :o)

:: theblackmage ::
I tried to model the base mesh as simple as possible (just the main curve) and sculpt the final shape with the hair/fur.
I’ll try to post some screenshots of different setup I’ve done in Maya later.
Thanks for your support !

:: robinmitra1 ::
Thanks! Robin ! For the glow effects, I add it in post-production. You have this feature in every compositing software (called glow). Good luck and thanks again :p

:: mustan9 ::
Hey thanks Foscarini ! :o) I’m trying to have as few polygon as possible (‘just what we need for the shots so that you don’t see the polygons).

:: neversong ::
Thanks for your comment! Very appreciated :o)

:: ymhon ::
Thanks Raymond! She’s doing a very good job!! :p

:: ruma ::
Thanks! That’s the part I enjoyed the most ! :D


Just for your information, right now,we are doing 2 main things!
01 | we're working on the the final render of the main/first sequence (our film will by "cut" in four parts) with all the meshes with there textures!
02 | we're also doing some finishing touches on the Meline Character! I've done a little animation of her, playing with the orange butterfly ! :o) I cant't wait to show you that !!! :p

We might start the production of the first shot very soon (This month or the month after :)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-18-2007, 03:44 PM
:: Zork ::
01 | we're working on the the final render of the main/first sequence (our film will by "cut" in four parts) with all the meshes with there textures!

Please do it this month! I'm very interest to see it. goodluck :thumbsup:

08-19-2007, 01:18 AM
Hi again Mr. Sebastien. Wow I can't wait for the final renders you're making this month or the other and Can't wait also for the Meline animation. I just like to ask how long did you studied Maya? What are your secrets?hehe Any inspiring tips for your fans... Thanks

08-19-2007, 01:41 AM
oh nice! I'm so glad to see you are still working on this one. I have been enjoying watching this thread.

08-20-2007, 09:43 PM
:: masaatchi ::
THanks!! :o) We'll do our best! :o)

:: ymhon ::
I started studying Maya 4 years ago, in a 3d graphic school in France (Middle of France).
Virginie also started to study Maya 4 years ago, but went to another school (south of France) :)

:: Drakaran ::
We are not about to cancel it :) We're having sooo much pleasure working on this short film :)

Thanks everyone for your wonderful support ! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

08-20-2007, 10:13 PM
Hello everyone!

I'm having a little problem. I've posted the same message under the "cgtalk/Alias Maya" forum because I can seem to have any solution. :p

With Mental Ray? Sure you can make FinalGather/SSS/Occlusion very easily on a very simple scene, but when you work on a little more complex scene with things that interacts with other things that is animated with that, and you have to do render passes of your animation etc............. that's something TOTALLY different...:eek:

... unless, of course, you have 10 programmers working on your issue!...

If you know a good Mental Ray reference for graphist, I would love to know where to find it (and don't you dare showong me the "mental ray for maya shaders guide" because that thing is for programmers and that doesn't help anybody that already knows somehow how to fix a problem...)
Grrr!!!... And all these nodes under the "Create Mental Ray Nodes" of the Hypershade, and no one knows how to use them?! :scream:

I'm trying to render an OBJECT_1 , with some part behind another OBJECT_2 that has a USEBACKGROUND shader applied to it. (So that there is a mask of the OBJECT_2 on the OBJECT_1)...
That, that works...
BUT ! ... I would like to disable OBJECT_2 from the finalGather computation (so that there is no finalGatherShadows on the OBJECT_1, made by the OBJECT_2).

I tried the "finalGather Cast" option under the "metalRay tab" of the "ObjectShapde Node"... of course that didn't work... Maybe i have forgoten another step...

So, How do I tell an object that it should stay out of the finalGather Computation. :)

Thanks!!! You could make me the happiest guy in the world!!! just by solving that problem!, i know! :scream:

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-21-2007, 01:22 AM
Hi ssebastienn - sorry I can't help with your problem, but just watched your animation test for the new creature and wanted to say that it looked very cool.
ha ha- i loved the way he moved - my only complaint was that it went by so fast that I had to watch it over again and again! Any chance that we could see a quick video of you showing and operating the controls? Only if you have time - i imagine you're very busy!

Also love the various bits and pieces that your girlfriend has been making - good job guys!

08-21-2007, 03:40 AM
I don't know if this will be a help but I hope it will. You can go to www.mymentalray.com (http://www.mymentalray.com/). Its a mentalray community and I hope they can help you. Lots of good stuffs too both mentalray for maya and 3ds max....

08-21-2007, 08:08 AM
Hello everyone!

I'm having a little problem. I've posted the same message under the "cgtalk/Alias Maya" forum because I can seem to have any solution. :p

I'm trying to render an OBJECT_1 , with some part behind another OBJECT_2 that has a USEBACKGROUND shader applied to it. (So that there is a mask of the OBJECT_2 on the OBJECT_1)...
That, that works...
BUT ! ... I would like to disable OBJECT_2 from the finalGather computation (so that there is no finalGatherShadows on the OBJECT_1, made by the OBJECT_2).

I tried the "finalGather Cast" option under the "metalRay tab" of the "ObjectShapde Node"... of course that didn't work... Maybe i have forgoten another step...

So, How do I tell an object that it should stay out of the finalGather Computation. :)

Thanks!!! You could make me the happiest guy in the world!!! just by solving that problem!, i know! :scream:

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

Unfortunately I don't know anything about Maya, but I worked on something similar in 3dsMax recently. I would imagine Maya also supports features such as calculating finalGather solutions and freezing them after? I simply hid the object I didn't want in my finalGather computation, saved the finalGather map, froze it (set to read-only), unhid the object again and re-rendered the image.
I don't know if this applicable to Maya too or if I have misunderstood what you are attempting to do :)

Anyway, stunning work! I have been watching your thread for quite some time now and am amazed! :)

08-21-2007, 09:43 AM

First of all, it's amazing to see how this short developes in front of our eyes.

Second, Mental Ray is a very flexible rendering engine, that is not as complicated as it may look. You should visit MyMentalRay.com there are plenty of informations about shaders, optimizations, etc.

I myself working in XSI, and it utilizes MR as its core rendering engine, so every object in a scene has properties connected to MR, like rendering visibilities, for example Shadow Caster/Reciever, FinalGather Caster/Reciever/Visible in Samples, etc. Maybe there are similar properties in Maya?

About optimization I found an excellent document about the BSP, it helped me a lot, my render time went down from 3 hours to few minutes. This is here (http://www.bernardlebel.com/wiki/index.php/3D:XSI_tutorials:BSP_Explained_To_Artists)

Good luck!

08-21-2007, 10:17 AM
:: arranskinner ::
Hey thanks for your comment! :)
For yopur request, that's a good idea! I might try that sometime! Works better than a text making-of! Thanks again Arran! :o)

:: ymhon ::
Woaw I didn't know that website! :o) I'm gonna read/print every single page that is available! Thanks for the heads up Raymond! :)

:: DucK- ::
That's a solution that works fine with a still image, or for a single shot... but if I have to do that for all the shot, i might gonna kill myself in the end :p
But thanks for helping ! :o)

:: j3st3r ::
Hey thanks for your awnser! This website must be very good! I'm gonna spend some time looking around till I get comfortable with MR! :p
I was sure that sure that MR is a very flexible program, but I was frustrate that I couldn't make use of all its good feature! :o)

As for my issue, it seems like I found my way out by messing around with the TRACE+SHADOWS MentalRay flags of my object! Indeed, I need to set both of them to "No" (I don't really know why I have to set "Shadows" to "No" too since i'm not using any light.. just final gather... :) if anyone here has an explanation, i'd love to hear it! maybe the awnser is at mymentalray.com :o)

Anyway! Thanks everyone for throwing a glance in my direction! :o)

Virginie and I hope to see you next time with some good news!

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-11-2007, 07:38 AM
Hey everyone! :p

We've been quite busy this month working on something else!
But, I told you that I made an animation of Meline playing with the butterfly ... so here it is! :)

http://sebastien.laban.free.fr/cgtalk/anim_meline_test01.jpg (http://sebastien.laban.free.fr/cgtalk/laban_melineTestAnim.wmv)
(right-click on the image, then choose "Save Target as...")

With this animation, when Meline is doing some sudden/fast/quick moves, we were able to tweak the cloth and hair dynamic settings and also find the character of Meline (how she moves etc)! :o)

Anyway! Leave a comment to tell me what you think of it! :o)
Have Fun ! :)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-11-2007, 07:49 AM
you do it nice! Cloth, hair, motion speed, movements... allthing is great :thumbsup: I think this plan will become awesome when voice add :D

09-11-2007, 07:52 AM
Woah.. i don't have appropriate words to tell you just how great it looks. There's so much character in that animation. Makes me watch it over and over. Amazing!

09-11-2007, 07:52 AM
hey Sebastienn

wow wow wow that really is coming together nicely! My only comment with that animation (and I am aware its still in a test stage for you) is the camera seems a bit too wandering so it seemed to affect the viewing of some of Meline's animation but still looks bloody fantastic! She definitely looks cute and playful in the sequence!
fantastic work - in the words of Homer Simpson.. "more please" :p

09-11-2007, 09:02 AM
Man! I've been following this for I don't know how long now, and every new step is amazing!
great job, keep me entertained, hehe!

09-11-2007, 10:00 AM
YOU sir rule! Awesome job so far and she's really cute :D:bounce:

09-11-2007, 10:14 AM
I'm glad to see you always keep working on this amazing project.
great anim test.
It seems you completed the animation on your own. Good choice. I'm supporting you to continue in this way ! Really !

can i ask you a little animation tutorial to show how you animated the girl ? ... for the guys who don't really know how to do ! :shrug:
(about your way to proceed. for example : drawings or anim storyboard, dope sheets, etc.)

good luck for the next and HAVE FUN !
thanks for distracting us !

09-11-2007, 09:23 PM
Awesome!!! ^_^ once again i love your work. i love the animation style too, the way the characters move(well the two characters) seems very bright and playful! is the rest of the animation gonna be like that?

09-11-2007, 09:35 PM
The video shows up all green and strange. What codex are you using?

09-12-2007, 07:30 PM
Nicely character girl !! :), incredibles.

09-13-2007, 07:29 AM
Awesom animation!!! :bounce: You are magician! :)

09-18-2007, 09:28 PM
great going..just dont stop workin on it.........

09-19-2007, 01:35 AM
Hey there Sebastien, i love your work man. I have being viewing your W.I.P for quite sometime now, but i haven't posted anything... hehe..
Awesome work Sebastien, i can't wait to see more. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

09-20-2007, 10:11 PM
:: mssatchi ::
Thanks Mohammad! ... though that animation is just a test, to check such things like dynamic and rigging etc... :o)

:: Fess1001 ::
Thanks Alex! :o) That's exactly what I wanted to do :o)

:: anthoniymcgrath ::
Hey Anthony ! Good to see you there again! :o) Thanks for your comment, i'll see what i can do with the camera!

:: Ville ::
Hey! Thanks for your support Daniel! We're working on the first shot, trying to fix problem for the next shots! We'll show you something asap :)

:: Intervain ::
Thanks Magdalena! Glad you like her! :D

:: Tit-Co ::
I'm not gonna dive up this project! :o) it's too much fun! So many interresting things to do, to try! Even though I animated that test shot, I really feel that I need an true animator. It's such a complexe and important job, to give Meline a cute character etc. We have so much this to do aside :o)
And as for the animation tutorial, I'll try to do that, that's a great idea. I'll see what i can do.! :p
Thanks again Nicolas! :)

:: theblackmage ::
Thanks for you support Isiac! I'm glad you felt that the animation was bright and playful! We're really hgoping to give that feeling for the entire film ! :o)

:: mustan9 ::
The codec used to encode this video is "Windows Media Video 9" (it's a WMV file)
Are you playing it on an apple computer?

:: Zork ::
Thanks!!! thank you Tomasz! :)

:: eof ::
Woaw! nice comment! Thank you Eugene! :)

:: robinmitra1 ::
Thanks robin! We won't! We wont stop! :o)

:: Alphagsv ::
I'm really happy that you are a frequenter! I'm even glad that you are posting a support coment! :o)
Thanks for you nice comment Glen!!! :p
I've checked your CGTALK gallyre, and you have some amazing 3D character models! Keep up the good work! :p

Thank you all for your amazing comments! That really help us both to go further!
As I told Tit-co, we're working on the first shot, fixing all problem once for all (for the next shot). It takes quite some time, but it's for the long term! It should then be easier after :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-21-2007, 08:14 AM
hey Sebastienn

dont worry about the camera lol as you said its just a test. the important thing is the animation is lush!! :D

09-21-2007, 05:26 PM
heheh :) every argument has its weight in the balance :)
Thanks Anthony

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-21-2007, 05:28 PM
heheh :) every argument has its weight in the balance :)
Thanks Anthony --> oupss double post, sorry :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-22-2007, 02:16 PM
i reeeally like the test animation. not only does she move like a little girl, she also "thinks" like a little girl. you can almost feel her thoughts while watching this and that's what makes the character alive! i love the reaction when the butterfly escapes her hands.. really believable! keep on the good work you two!
can't wait for this movie to be finished.. looking great! :applause:

09-24-2007, 07:29 AM
Woaw Rafael ! :o)
That's an amazing comment! Thank you! I'm gald you liked the animation! :o)
Lets try to have that feeling in the real shot! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-24-2007, 06:58 PM
Awwww, she looks so cute...i love how silky smooth the motion for her is... the cloth and hair follow very nicely too... please share some more... I am working on a WIP too and this thread provides great inspiration :)

09-26-2007, 08:34 AM
Thanks Kashif !
I'm glad we are inspiring you! Show me a link to your wip, I'd love to see what you're working on! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-27-2007, 03:08 AM
Thanks Kashif !
I'm glad we are inspiring you! Show me a link to your wip, I'd love to see what you're working on! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

hey sebastien...after a horrific crash, the file i was working on was corrupted but nonetheless, here is the wip I have been working on... been working on this since last year...


09-28-2007, 11:12 AM
Hey Kashif! :o)

Your wip is looking good! Keep going forward, that's what's making the difference! :)
Practice! Practice! Practice! :p
Cheers man! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

09-30-2007, 10:22 AM
the animation is looking great so far. my one big crit is that
it lookes like the animation is too fast. maybe 2 times the speed it should be.
its an easy fix though.

10-11-2007, 07:40 AM
Hey Dragot!
I'll see what i can do :o) ... though I not sure reducing the timing will do somthing great.
I don't want a smoooooth animation that make 3D character a little to much 3D :o)
I'm looking for a lively/vivacious little girl ! :)

Anyone else feel the same way?

thanks for the feedback Sean! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

10-11-2007, 07:42 AM
Hey Everyone! :o)

Just a quick note to inform you that we are still working on "Meline" ! :o)
We've been extremely busy this past 2 or 3 weeks as we moved from one place to another (in our real life :)) As you can imagine, there are a lots of papers to take care of! :o)

We've been working on the introduction shot, that takes place in a separated set from the main set! :o)
Sorry I can't show you stuff today. Maybe next week? :o)

have fun! :p
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

10-11-2007, 07:43 AM
No problem dude, I will continue to follow this thread... and I think "Meline" moves just fine :)

10-11-2007, 07:49 AM
Hey Sebastien,

The last animation's were great!!! I think the girl's animation is fine. It's great to see how well all the dynamics are working in the shot. Can't wait to see more updates. Post more updates PLEASE-they make my day. Good luck with it and I'm still watching.

10-11-2007, 07:26 PM
Hey Dragot!
I'll see what i can do :o) ... though I not sure reducing the timing will do somthing great.
I don't want a smoooooth animation that make 3D character a little to much 3D :o)
I'm looking for a lively/vivacious little girl ! :)

Anyone else feel the same way?

thanks for the feedback Sean! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

feeling the same way dude :thumbsup:

10-12-2007, 06:44 AM
Wow great art man, i didn't pass by long time ago.
i don't think you need any complements to push you foreward this art is top you just have to carry on.


10-16-2007, 04:55 PM
Hey Sebastien,

I was looking at Meline's cloth test and I have to ask if you "enveloped" (XSI equivalent to Maya skinning) the bones to the cloth, and paint the weight or you just let the cloth go along for the ride using the body for collision? because I am trying to figure out what i am doing wrong...

Kashif R.

10-20-2007, 09:58 AM
:: HaloAnimator ::
Hey Kashif! Thanks for the feedback ! :o)
As for your question about cloth, I made a lowres version of the body to be used as the colision object. It requires a little more work (skinning, etc) but the computation of the dynamic of the cloth goes faster! :o)

:: JSBDesigns ::
Hey Jessa! thanks for sharing with us your feeling about the animation of Meline! :)

:: robinmitra1 ::
Ok, I'll see with other people to get to the character :p

:: FlaminGlow ::
Thanks Mohammed for your support!! :)

Cheers guys!
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

10-20-2007, 10:03 AM
Great news guys!

Just so you know, we may have found our animator. He is a guy I used to work with, who is an animator by profession.

We invited him yesterday, and he saw the complete Previsualisation, some test animations of Chaussette and Meline, the almost complete render of the Introduction Shot, and the WIP render of the interior of the barn set.

He was very impressed by the look, renders and feel the film is having right now and he definitely wants to work on the project with us. The day after, he told us, that when he got back to his house, he was so eager to animated Meline, that he already tried animating her, trying to feel the character! :)

So lets cross our finger so that he has the time to share its talented animation skill with us! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

10-20-2007, 10:54 AM
Great news !
Now I can't wait more to see updates or the first animation tests from your animator about Meline in the whole environment.
You know i'm becoming crazy about to wait for a full oudoor scene. I want to see it, please. :bounce::scream:

good luck !

10-23-2007, 07:12 AM
hehe! :p
oki! I'll try before the end of this week ! :o)

See you soon! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

10-23-2007, 08:41 AM
Wow! Some really sweet characters you got there. They all look really good! Looking forward to the short. All the best Meline crew! :thumbsup:

10-23-2007, 06:13 PM
:: HaloAnimator ::
Hey Kashif! Thanks for the feedback ! :o)
As for your question about cloth, I made a lowres version of the body to be used as the colision object. It requires a little more work (skinning, etc) but the computation of the dynamic of the cloth goes faster! :o)

Sounds like a sweet deal...i have been working on the cloth of my character and i have been using the lowest subdivision to get good calculations....and I love the results...

And congrats on getting another animator... i will keep watching this thread...

10-29-2007, 08:50 AM
Hey everyone! :o)

Pictures! Here are the 2 first shot of our short film! :o)



Of course, these renders are still a work in progress. The title is temporary, Meline is not animated, Some color correction/tweak has to be done... but that's pretty much what we are aiming for! :)

This weekend, we've printed a lot of concept sketches, test renders, the entire storyboard etc and started pinning them all over the room again! :o) ... I'll take a picture of our Meline Room, it's quite nice! :o)

Have fun! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

10-29-2007, 08:59 AM
Oh my God !!
I love the three first ones ! This beginning of left travelling is awesome. This is probably the introduction of your movie. I'm impatient to watch it in action. The depth of field, the lighting make me receptive to the mood. You are really a master in lighting part. I'm on my ass and I'm a little bit jealous.
Great environment and great mood !


10-29-2007, 09:38 AM
speechless. wish I could fire out work of this calibre

10-29-2007, 10:39 AM
OMG! hey mate, please give us link of movie... please, I'm so interets to watch it... :D

10-29-2007, 01:47 PM
wow! That looks really amazing.

The level of detail is shocking. Where do you find the time to do all this work? :)

10-29-2007, 02:46 PM
Awesome man!
can wait to se it finished!

take care..

10-29-2007, 03:08 PM
amazing work.. really wanna see the finished animation... very nice work...

10-29-2007, 03:50 PM
A lot of pages before i said the girl looks creepy and i still keep my statement.

Even so , you have done an outstanding job with the creepy girl :O

10-29-2007, 03:53 PM
man, you guys came a loong way, but this is looking simply amazing! awessome job! I'm almost through now with my short here at VFS, and man is it a exausting task! I really respect you two for doing this and not loosing focus!

10-29-2007, 07:51 PM
WOooooooooooooooW, cool work man, I like the render of the room and the garden , the ambient inside the room is warm. The red dress break the colors, I like this.

cool work

10-29-2007, 09:24 PM
Hello sebastien. I often go see this marvelous thread and nether write anything. With these render, I can't stop a minute to congratulate you. That's really something incredible in term of quality for a non professonnal work. Good luck.

10-29-2007, 10:59 PM
looks realy cute... great job on everything

10-29-2007, 11:36 PM
very nice colors and the gras is very good, :thumbsup:
i wonder how the story goes :eek: :)

@ssebastienn - you wrote that the girl is still not animated, hmm..i would suggest for this kind of highquality movie renderings you shuold use motion capturing!! :wise: :D what do you think?

10-30-2007, 12:37 AM
my goodness! that's outstanding!
BEAUTIFUL atmosphere!! congratulations, you're doing an incredible job. I'm sure the final short will be absolutely stunning, I can´t wait to watch it!!

10-30-2007, 01:23 AM
BEAUTIFUL atmosphere!! I love coloer and model.very BEAUTIFUL .

10-30-2007, 04:52 AM
AWESOME! Congratulations my frineds, this is coming along absolutely perfect, you deserve the Oscar once the short is in the circuit´s round ;)

10-30-2007, 03:20 PM
this is awesome I love it! I wish I was part of this project just to make one simple thing like a book or something lol :)

10-30-2007, 03:37 PM
Absolutley amazing, I have loved watching the progress of this whole thing! I can't wait to see more. You have inspired me into starting my own project and I can only hope to be at the lvl you have shown here!


10-30-2007, 08:56 PM
:thumbsup: Chapeau bas... Magnifique (It's really beautiful).

J'attends avec impatience la suite.


10-30-2007, 09:17 PM
Hey there sebastien, I am loving it more and more every time come back to this thread.
:love: hehe...


10-31-2007, 01:23 AM

man i wish i had more time to work...i gotta prove to my mom i can use the computer during the week without my grades droping(if i don't you might not see me for a LONG time). i recently got a good compositing software and more familliar with photoshop, so i should be able to start on doing better renders now. but i haven't had any time up until now.

but those renders were B-E-A-utiful! could you show the passes again?

10-31-2007, 09:08 PM
excellent again !

11-01-2007, 08:41 AM
Now, questions.

Can you explain your modeling issue for the big tree? Did you use zbrush for it ?
Did you use paint effects for the leaves?
And what about the background? matte painting with photos or full 3D ?

yes many many questions ! :scream:

I tell you again you have a very good feeling with cinematography. It's a pleasure.

See you for the next.

11-04-2007, 08:09 PM
:: Tit-co ::
Hey Nicolas Good to see you there again!! :o) Look at the next post, I’ve posted wireframe of the scenes! :o)
But to answer your question, I didn’t use any Zbrush or stuff like that, I don’t really need to. That would have been way to much time/cpu consuming :o)
The leaves of the big tree are first done with PaintEffects, then converted to polymesh to have a great sens of volume with correct shadows etc :o)
And the background is a mixture of matte painting and 3D models! :o)
Thanks for your support!! Keep coming!!! :p

:: anthonymcgrath ::
Anthony! Glad you had that reaction! Thanks for the comment! :o)

:: msaatchi ::
Hey! I’ll post some extracts as soon as I have some animation of “Meline” on it :o)

:: mustan9 ::
Thanks, Virginie is the one who’s modeling everything. She’s done an incredible work! :o)
We work during our spare time, like weekends and evening/night :)

:: grassetti ::
Thanks Rafael ! :o) Me too, I can’t wait to see it complete! :o)

:: AayZee3D ::
Thank you Arsalan ! :o)

:: Doomloard ::
Yes, we worked on that! :o) Does she look creepy to you when she is animated? :p
http://sebastien.laban.free.fr/cgtalk/laban_melineTestAnim.wmv (http://sebastien.laban.free.fr/cgtalk/laban_melineTestAnim.wmv)

:: Ville ::
Thanks! It’s hard work I’m sure you know! :o) Good luck with your project Daniel !!! :o)

:: SammaeL ::
Wooow! Nice expression! :o) Thanks for your feedback Jose!!! :o)

:: authentic ::
Well, Vincent, I’m glad you stop by, and spent some time sharing your feeling about the render!
Thanks you for your support! :p

:: PedroMalheiro ::
I’m really happy you like these render Pedro!!! :o)

:: taisir ::
The story is really cute, but not too cliché-cute :o)
We’ve worked very hard on that! :o)
And Mocap??? That would be great (?) but I don’t think we have the appropriate device for that at home :o)

:: voskovek ::
Thanks for you enthusiasm David! I’d love to show the previs, I really feel like the direction is quite nice! :o)

:: machen ::
Thanks machen!!! :o)

:: mtd2004 ::
Woaw! An Oscar! Lets aim for that! :p Thanks Mario!

:: RO ::
Thanks, If you want to model some props, contact Virginie :o) She’s doing all the modeling :o) Though I don’t think she’ll let you do all those details she likes to do :o)

:: Lordrych ::
It’s not really much! You just need to keep working & testing, and be interested in what you’re doing! “Keep Moving Forward” :-p Thanks for your comment Baron!

:: Bertuccio ::
Thanks Alex! Merci pour ton commentaire! J’suis heureux qu’il y a de plus en plus de personne qui prennent par a ce forum ! :o)

:: Alphagsv ::
Youpi ! I’m glad you feel that way Glen !!! :)

:: theblackmage ::
Go do your homework Isiac! I don’t want your mum stopping you to use your computer! I always love your comments! :o)
Look at the next post for behind-the-scene wireframe pictures! :o)

:: gpepper ::

Thanks for all these comments!!!
I’m really happy to see new faces to this blog! That makes us want to go further! :o)
I recently saw an animated film, and as they keep saying: Keep moving forward! :o)

Cheers! :o)
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

11-04-2007, 08:13 PM
Hey! :p

As some of you requested, here are some behind-the-scene wireframe pictures of the 2 previous sets that you’ve seen in the previous page of this blog!



Have fun!
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

11-05-2007, 06:43 AM
Three years after seeing your student project you're still the best lighter (who uses comping at it's optimum) I've ever seen, I have only seen a handful few who were close but still not good enough. Love your screenshots but I noticed one thing, Meline is blending too much with the background color, not her clothes but her skin, your early tests made her more lively with redish/blushed skin, either that or maybe the animation will speak louder than that (I might probably get hanged or imapled for saying this especially since you guys are more experienced :) ).

I honestly admire your commitment I sarted working nearly a year ago in the industry and when i come back home I don't have the energy to work on my personal projects how do you guys pull it off?.

Cheers and can't wait to see the movie :)

11-05-2007, 07:27 PM
im glad that u guys are still working on this..maybe this is the longest time i have been hooked to a particular thread...cheers :thumbsup:

11-05-2007, 08:30 PM
How do you distribute the paint FX on tree? You paint right over trunk geometry? Or on hidden live object? Or any other technique?

BTW.. Awsome job!!! Really stunning!!

11-05-2007, 08:39 PM
OMG so much! are the leaves copied and pasted all over the place or what? is the grass hair? why is the butterfly the only thing colored? how long did the tree and house take? great use of focal blur! what was intended with the black area in the third image of the second image? so the trees in the background of the shed is an image? what did you do for textures? about the setup of the room, how did you map out the setup, was it all just "i think this should go here" or did you have it pre determined? do you use only maya and phoroshop?

sorry for all the questions, its just that when i see wired frames alotta thoughts pop up ;P. and oh yeah my grades are doing good, i'm not letting my mom win this one!

11-06-2007, 12:02 AM
You both are the best... Woohoo!!!
I love your lighting very very much. Is that rendered on Maya Software???? Or combination of Software Renderer and Mental Ray???
What part of the production uses Mental ray and Maya Software?

Thank you

11-08-2007, 12:11 PM
Whoohoooo !!
Hello Virginie, hello Seb !

Only a few words to say "hello" and that I always love your work !! :)
I still wonder at discovering a new thing about "Meline" : very cute, and so much work on it.

Good luck, go ahead !!

See you


11-08-2007, 04:10 PM
Great stuff, you really have a nack for being one of those few people who are jack of all trades at everything!! I'm working on my character right now in 3ds max. I see that your using Maya. Their cloth simulators are nearly the same. I was wondering how you want about doing your cloth on her dress. Did you model it then simulate it, or did you use splines and garment maker then simulate it?
John Martini

11-17-2007, 09:33 PM
Hey everyone! Sorry for the delay! :o)

:: robinmitra1 ::
Thanks for your support! :p
:: nelsonteixeira ::
I place a dummy that roughly has the shape i'm trying to get, then I PFX some branches and leaves on it. Then i Hid the dummy :o)
Thanks for the feedback! :)

:: theblackmage ::
Isiac, I'll answer the question not in order :)
The grass is made with paint effects, The butterfly is the only thing colored just to make the preview more interesting. The tree was modeled/textured in like 2 or 3 day, the barn 1 day. The black area is Something that is not modeled yet :) Every objects is placed according to the previs that we've done (we have the complete film done in a previz formet :)
I'll post more pictures that will answer more you questions :)

:: ymhon ::
Everything is rendered with Maya Software (except the Occlusion Pass and the Meline Character which is MR rendered)

:: Djib ::
Hey JB! Nice to see you there!! Thanks for subscribing to CGTALK just to post a message :o)
Hope the freelance business is going well!! :)

:: Jokenadrian ::
THe cloth is a simple 3D Polygonal Mesh, turn to a cloth objects etc :)
Thanks for the comment John ! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

11-18-2007, 12:36 AM
cool man, i'll be waiting!

12-01-2007, 10:52 AM
Hey everyone! :o)

Is there someone here that knows how MEL script works? :)
I have a little request.

I'm making a MEL SCRIPT that creates automaticaly a "Render Layer" from a group.
It goes like this :

// ------------ OCCLUSION ---------------------------------------------------------- //
select -r SETS ;
createRenderLayer -name "_OCCLUSION" -number 1 -noRecurse `ls -selection`;

What I want to change is the name of the "Render Layer".
I want it to be "xxx_OCCLUSION" with "xxx" being the 3 first characters of my maya file's name. :)

Simple, I'm sure someone here knows how to do that :p
THANKS!!! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

12-01-2007, 12:28 PM
I´m glad I can answer this one!

string $shortFilename;
string $filename = `file -q -sn`;
string $mayaBuffer[];
$shortFilename = $mayaBuffer[size($mayaBuffer)-2];
print $shortFilename;
else warning "You need to save the scene first! ";

$prefix = `substring $shortFilename 1 3`;

// ------------ OCCLUSION ---------------------------------------------------------- //

createRenderLayer -name ($prefix + "_OCCLUSION") -number 1 -noRecurse `ls -selection`;

12-01-2007, 12:54 PM
Woaw that was fast!! :o)

Thank you sooooo much Nelsonteixeira !!!
It wont be a pain in the a.. to setup a scene now :o)

Thanks! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

12-02-2007, 05:26 AM
yeah because when you post people come running!:buttrock:

12-07-2007, 08:29 PM
Hey everyone! :o)

I though I could give, for those who are interested, a little update! :o)

Don't look for any picture right now, since every thing is very wip, but I want to tell you that I've wrote a little script (thanks to the "Echo All commands" feature within Maya and NelsonTeixeira) that helps us a lot in our production!!! :)
It's a script that sets up, in one click, every pass render that will be required in compositing!!! :o)

It will probably sound dumb, but Scripting, for some of you that might be afraid of it, is such a powerful thing, even though like I do, you don't know much about it :)
You can learn a lot by using the "Echo All Commands" in the [Script Editor], menu "History" ! For example, create a cube, move it in space, then assign a map to it and see what Maya did, what kind of command Maya used! :)

Well that's it for today, be sure that images & videos will be available soon i hope! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

12-07-2007, 08:40 PM
That's how I started scripting, looking at the history lines and saving to the shelf... just amazing!! Even if you don't intend to be a scripter guy (or girl! :)), like me. It's really worth learning a tiny bit of MEL.
By the way, in Brazil MEL means honey. And MEL makes our 3d lifes a lot more sweet!! :D

12-08-2007, 05:06 AM
Hello. I was wondering if you were going to allow other people to download the script that you wrote for the compositing setup renders. For rendering out the passes needed. Just curious. I was just wondering if you could tell me how you went about learning scripting in maya and what your words of wisdom would be on going about learning it from scratch!
Thanks for the help
John Martini

12-09-2007, 08:18 AM
Truly amazing workl, i remember comming upon your thread a couple of months ago and then i couldn't find it till yesterday i stumbled upon it again, and all i can say is truly amazing work and progress since i last saw the thread, im speachless. Your texturing and lighting and modeling is all superb! I really cant wait to see more.

Have to agree with you with the MEL scripting its super powerfull and command line rendering is also amazingly helpfull when rendering multiple scene files and an assortment of frames.

12-10-2007, 07:40 AM
:: nelsonteixeira ::
You're right :) I even made another one that simplify (1click :p) the dynamic setup of Meline's Dress :o)

:: jokenadrian ::
I'm afraid it wont help your own project, you know. There's no interface, it only works with my kind of project, where my folder are named in a certain way etc... :o)

:: RumorHazard ::
Thanks Simon! Stay tuned! :)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

12-11-2007, 02:25 AM
Hey cheak your PMs i have a qeustion that kinda OT to this one.

12-11-2007, 03:51 PM
could you talk a bit about how you achieved that beautiful looking grass? PaintFX right? Definetly not the default settings though...

and the overall soft diffused look - is that a post effect or is that directly from the software renderer?

12-14-2007, 06:55 PM
:: theblackmage ::
done! Sorry for the delay! :o)

:: Theneverman ::
Hey Theneverman! :o)
I played a lot with the ambient & transclucent color, trying to get the best out of a little section of a grass brush in oder the have the most optimise render/feedback as possible. Then with the same settings of PFX brush & Lighting set, i made a bigger composition :o)

And for the overall soft diffused look, I do it with both 3D (trying to get the softest lighting with raw lights) and compositing (adding a little glow). :o)

Thanks for the comments everyone! :o)

Have a nice weekend!!
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

12-14-2007, 10:07 PM
Amazing work... Can't wait to see final animation!

12-17-2007, 11:43 PM
hi there!
just reporting to repat how eager I am to see the final animation, to congratulate you, to encourage you, and to thank you for sharing your WIP and techniques with us!

keep it up!

12-18-2007, 07:16 AM
I played a lot with the ambient & transclucent color, trying to get the best out of a little section of a grass brush in oder the have the most optimise render/feedback as possible. Then with the same settings of PFX brush & Lighting set, i made a bigger composition :o)

And for the overall soft diffused look, I do it with both 3D (trying to get the softest lighting with raw lights) and compositing (adding a little glow). :o)

www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

yeah the lighting really is tasty - I think what works so well is that really lush almost lime green in the grass - it contrasts really nicely with the interior environment.
great work - itching to see more (really must do some more work on my character animation too!)

12-23-2007, 08:56 AM
:: Abishai-RS ::
Thanks!! :o)

:: voskovek ::
Thanks for your support and comment! :o)

:: anthonymcgrath ::
Yeah! why aren't you working on it right now??? :o)
You don't have enough time on you hands? I'd love to see more stuff from you! :o)

Happy Holydays! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

12-23-2007, 08:57 AM
I'm having a little issue with the Maya Character feature.

I have a scene that contains my character (body.mb).
I've created a clip in the "Trax Editor" and exported it.

I have another scene "hair.mb" that contains my file "body.mb" imported as a reference.
I import my previously-exported-clip to my character (body_character)

=> My character reads every "translation, rotation, scale" values of my clip, exept the values of the Blendshape node.

(note : In my original "body.mb", when I re-import the clip to my character, the blendshape are properly imported.)

So my question is : Does the "blendshape node" works with a "Maya Character" imported as a reference?

Thanks! :o)
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

12-23-2007, 12:28 PM
I should say first that I've only browsed through the last few pages of this, and it's beautiful, all of it, great job so far.

Tiny problem with the animation, though, she looks too fast, like she doesn't have a lot of mass or something. Her movements seem a bit too 'snap-to-a-stop'-ish. I don't know if that makes sense.

Anyway, the rest of it looks wonderful, so keep up the good work.

12-24-2007, 06:39 AM
Hi Sebastien,

As far as I know and, as a matter of fact, my quick tests showed me. BlendShapes work fine on imported or referenced scenes. And if it does´t work, what would be the point of referecing, isn´t??. First thing that came to my mind was the possibility you had forgotten to add the blendShape node to the character set, but if thing work fine when you´re only importing to the scene, it must be something else.

01-01-2008, 05:14 AM
so lovely girl.so amazing job!

01-02-2008, 04:29 PM
:: ZombieJohn ::
thanks I'm glad you browsed trhough the pages of this thread and enjoyed it! I hope you find something interesting! :o)
As for the animation, you might be right, we're working on it, trying to "find" the character :o)

:: nelsonteixeira ::
I give up the reference, it causes a lot of problem, I don't feel like everything about is bug-free :o)
So I went another way, that helps me sleep at night again :p

:: sunnypure ::
Thanks!!! Really happy you like her! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

01-02-2008, 04:32 PM
Yellow!!! :D

As for a personnal message, I wanted to tell you that I've been Directing and DOPing my first live video (wich is a clip for the company I'm working on) last week! :o)
I hired a model, a studio, some lighting equipment and shot every thing with an HD Camera!
That was such a fun experience to do! From the very pre-production with the research, making some lighting plots etc, to the final compositing, and through directing the model and placing the physical lights and other setups! : AMAZING EXPERIENCE! :p :p :p
I'll show you the final clip when it's over since I don't have the right to do that before :p

As for how's Meline doing : do you worry, we are still working really hard on it! we are begining to have some shot complete (still wip). We are hoping to finish the project by the end of... this year 2008 !!! :o)

I wish you a Very Happy New Year, and lets hope Indi4 & Wall-E is going to turn good! :)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

01-02-2008, 05:35 PM
Yellow!!! :D

As for a personnal message, I wanted to tell you that I've been Directing and DOPing my first live video (wich is a clip for the company I'm working on) last week! :o)
I hired a model, a studio, some lighting equipment and shot every thing with an HD Camera!
That was such a fun experience to do! From the very pre-production with the research, making some lighting plots etc, to the final compositing, and through directing the model and placing the physical lights and other setups! : AMAZING EXPERIENCE! :p :p :p
I'll show you the final clip when it's over since I don't have the right to do that before :p

As for how's Meline doing : do you worry, we are still working really hard on it! we are begining to have some shot complete (still wip). We are hoping to finish the project by the end of... this year 2008 !!! :o)

I wish you a Very Happy New Year, and lets hope Indi4 & Wall-E is going to turn good! :)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

I hope the same for you...enjoy the new year, and I hope we see move of Meline... :)

01-02-2008, 06:40 PM
Yellow!!! :D

As for a personnal message, I wanted to tell you that I've been Directing and DOPing my first live video (wich is a clip for the company I'm working on) last week! :o)
I hired a model, a studio, some lighting equipment and shot every thing with an HD Camera!
That was such a fun experience to do! From the very pre-production with the research, making some lighting plots etc, to the final compositing, and through directing the model and placing the physical lights and other setups! : AMAZING EXPERIENCE! :p :p :p

I can imagine. :thumbsup:
Congrats for this new job !

also wish you a HAPPY NEW YEAR !!

01-06-2008, 07:30 PM
Wow end of 2008? that atualy is sooner than i expected :P. i'll be looking forward to the premire!

oh and that new job sounded fun! can't wait till i can get into that. but my school does have a big project comming out soon, i'll pm you when some news gets out. its a project the entire visual arts department in school is working on!

(sent a pm btw)

01-09-2008, 09:38 AM
Hey everyone! :o)

Just a quick update of the "Workflow/Progression Overview" of the project! :o)
We'll start posting some pictures of real shots very soon! We are waiting until we have a full "wip" sequence completed!



Cheers! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

01-09-2008, 10:33 AM
Hey, I've been quietly following this project as I absolutely adore the cute little girl, but also I think your work (both of you) is really awesome. I have one question concerning your workflow which been bugging me for a while now. If you don't mind could you explain just quickly (if it's not confidential :P) what you do at the Integration, Pre-rendering, pre-editing and 3D layout stages?
I've been comparing different workflow methods for my own projects and try to create one that fits me and my needs, and the more info I have the better I can make it.
Thank you, or anyone else, for any info.
You've got quite the fanbase there, Sebastien :)

01-09-2008, 11:06 AM
lovly art work man love the style of it very real! 5 star from me!!!


01-10-2008, 02:46 PM
Hey you two!
haven't been here for a while.. but as i can see you've been busy. nice!

I really like the mood of your opening sequence.. I don't know if you'r story is playing inside the shed only, but if it is i find it a good idea to start outside in the grass.. gives the whole thing more of a "real" feel.. or less staged.. don't know if that makes any sense =)

anyhow.. i like where this is going and can't wait to see it one done!
keep up the good work!

01-14-2008, 06:26 PM
Hey billy boy ! I m just here to tell you that's a great job you do with virginie !, damned it's more interesting that architectural job ! SURE :p
Sapphire for ever ?
Have you predict to render this short in HD ? with all the details it must be amazing !

En attendant j'attend toujours mon accessoire a clous, il manque sur l'etagere :) @ bientot seb bise a virginie

01-17-2008, 07:59 AM
:: Seijiro ::
Thanks for your kind words Robert ! :o)
In the Integration part, what I do is put every elements together (like Characters, Sets, Background, Fur, and other PaintFX stuff) … so that the setup of the scene is done and the the shot is ready to be render (And when there is a new version of the animation of the girl, for instance, I don ‘t have to setup the whole scene again, I just change the clip in the "Trax Editor" and everything will be setup properly.) :)

In the Pre-Editing part, I make a rough edit of the complete shortfilm, with testRender shots, final shots, and Previz footage. I also have a soundtrack, with basic sounds like footsteps, and other foley noises.

The Pre-Rendering step is just some test renders. I use it as a sketch book for 3D elements. I can easily see what technology will work during the complete shortfilm, and what won’t. That step is also used to check what kind of layers the compositing will require.

The 3D Layout step is a little more than a story-board. It’s the entire short-film in 3D, but with very lowres models of the characters and sets, and very simple animations. It’s there to validate the cameras, compositions, timing etc…

:: narutochen ::
Thanks ! :)

:: copykill ::
Exactly ! :) That’s exactly what I tried to setup with the firt scene. Set up the environment. :)
That’s very important if you want the audience to believe in the rest of the movie.

:: raistlin5 ::
Hey Vincent, thanks ! :)
About the HD Format. No, I’m not planning to render the short in HD.

I don’t think it’s necessary for 2 reasons.
1 - We are only working on 2 laptops. I think that speaks for itself :)
2 - Most important : It’s not the HD format that will make the film itself better. It’s not the HD format that will make "Jaws" scarier, It’s not the HD format that will makes the end of "The Shawshank Redemption" even better. :)

Thanks everyone for everything!!! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

01-17-2008, 10:58 AM
wow!! i am sooo jealous!! good stuff :)

01-17-2008, 11:14 PM
Wow I've been here quite sometime and the film gets better and better. Just a quickie question. I'm just curious about the specs of your laptops because I'm surprised that you can do things like this in your equipment. You know, desktops are more powerful than laptops in 3D things but for you 2, you've changed it. I was a Maya user but doing for example those paint effects and combined with polys will crawl your system.
Another thing, how did you optimize your scenes for better performance? Thanks in advance and more power...

01-18-2008, 07:16 PM
heh, looks like it might get done sooner than i thought!

i kinda pictured my self at the computer a few weeks after i've graduated high school and finally seeing that you finished the short :P.

but looks like it might get done much sonner than that :P

(no response to pm)

01-18-2008, 07:50 PM
Totally awesome!!!

congrats! you have one of the best thread I've seen lately

01-19-2008, 02:03 AM
Noooooooow I know why Meline got the 5 stars...

very nice and good luck!

01-19-2008, 03:48 AM
Hi there,

I think you two are doing a wonderful job with this poetic atmosphere and characters.
I'm a dreamer, so I'm curious to see how is gonna come out of a story, something in between fantasy and real world?
Maybe about dreams and hopes of our very pure child heart, and how it can change the world?
Just wondering with a fly of imagination, kind of classic feelings that may touch everyone deep inside with a meaningful message.. what do you think?

Anyway, definitely 5 stars for me from the very first moment I saw it.

Keep it up and cheers!:thumbsup:

01-21-2008, 01:18 AM
actualy....now that i think about it how many topics have 5 stars?

i'm gonna go check....

(5mins later)

your topic is #5 on the highest rating list....but to me it seems like you should be number one, your topic has more views than the others above you.
oh, btw theres only 5 thats rated 5

your #2 on the most views and most replies with the same post beating you in both areas (this one (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=43&t=313208)).


and your #18 in alphabetical order


so in other words your quite popular with this project :D, glad to be in your aquantence!


01-22-2008, 08:32 AM
:: aldershot ::
Hihi ! thanks! :o) Glad you feel that way, sort of :-) Good luck on your Russian guy and Ryu VS Ken 3D works :o)

:: ymhon ::
Hey Raymond ! We’re doing the best we can! :o) As for the spec of our laptop, I have a P4 3Ghz laptop. And Virginie, a DualCore 3ghz laptop.

Optimizing our scenes: we work with the previz that helps us to check stuff like: "Do we really need that much polygons here? Let see the previz… No we don’t, the object is going to be in the dark" and "What about a 1024x1024 texture on that table? Check the previz. No it’s going to be very far from the camera, let’s go with 128x128 texture map" etc…
So in the end, we end up with a scene that is quite light, you just need to "think/plan" your shot ahead before rushing into it ! :-)
In the end, when the scene is properly optimized, I just work till 2am, launch the renders on our 2 laptops and when I wake up at 8:00am, and entire shot is rendered (with the color, occlusion and every other render layers)
I check them, restart some (because of tweaks, second versions etc) or launch hires renders that will be done during the day (while Virginie and I are working on our day jobs :o) )

:: theblackmage ::
Yep, lets cross our fingers and work like crazy people ! :o)
And what a lovely thoughts by the way ! :o)
About the rating, that was a fun analysis etc :o)

:: chrchaves ::
Thanks ! I’m glad you came here!!!

:: airun71 ::
Hehe thanks for your comment ! :o) As for the story, we won’t be communicating about it right now. But that’s something we are very proud of! We’ve worked hard on it trying to show what Meline is going to, how she’s going to express that or this emotion. We tried to act like her, standing on our feet moving like her to check things like "how she would have done that ?" etc… That was a fun experience :-)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

01-22-2008, 08:35 AM
Hey everyone ! :o)

We just saw that we’ve passed the 100.000 Views ! :o)
I know that doesn’t mean a lot but that’s a fun number that we are happy to have reached ! :o)
Thanks for your support, that means a looot !!! :o)

Virginie & Sebastien !
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

01-22-2008, 09:34 AM
I am always so impressed by your work ! You enjoy all what you do and you share out with us. Your work make me dreaming. Keep your passion and congrats for the 100.000 views.

... And what a lucky to have a girlfriend cg artist too who understand why you are able to work till the middle of the night just by passion. :thumbsup:

01-22-2008, 07:38 PM

Each of your renders has a nice glowing quality to it. I see that you render in layers...but it seems like something else is going on. What additional filters do you use? Saturation, blur, bloom?

Again, great work!

01-23-2008, 03:23 PM
I've just noticed your thread thanks to cgchannel, and I just wanted to say I was very impressed when I saw the first page, it looks stunning.

Also I see this has been going on for a while now, and its good to see you're still going!
Myself and a few friends are also working on a short and we haven't got anywhere near as far as you guys yet but its an inspiration to know its worth it - so its great to see. :)

01-24-2008, 11:11 AM
This has to be one of the best cg related threads ever! Its a treat just watching you all progress. Keep up the good work and hope you finish this with the same spirit that has inspired me and I'm sure others on this forum. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

01-25-2008, 10:23 AM
Still about the trees:

Do you use a custom PFX brush?? I couldn´t find good branches and leaves on the presets.

01-29-2008, 11:33 PM
Thanks very much Sebastien. Please bear me with another question. How did you do the rays with fog on your renders? Thank you and more power!!! :thumbsup:

01-30-2008, 02:33 AM
100.001 and I. :)
I loved seeing the progress of your animation work. Excellent!

02-02-2008, 06:27 PM
:: Tit-co ::
Hey thanks for your continuing support Nicolas. And yep, My girlfriend is the best ! :o)

:: resman ::
I’m trying to have in maya, the softest shadows I can, and place the colored lights in strategic places to makes the color bleed and mix with each others. That way, every objects are “linked”“. And then; I add a little glow that will push the effects a little further.

:: SimonReeves ::
Hey Simon, Yes, we were very proud to be featured on the front page of cgchannel.com :p
I’m glad you discovered this blog and that you are enjoying the world of Meline! :o)

:: NoizFACTORY ::
Heheh thank you so much Sachin !! :)

:: nelsonteixeira ::
Hey nelson, Yes, for the tree, I started with a preset of tree in Maya just to get all the branches and leaves. I just tweaked it to get the result I wanted (random, color, selfillumination etc) :)

:: ymhon ::
The volume lights are done within Maya. Just select you light (works with spot lights only) then under the Attribute Editor, click on the “LightFog” Attribute button. A lightFog node will be created. And that’s pretty much it! :o)

:: Zork ::
Thanks Tomsz sooo much !! :o)

Have a nice weekend everyone! :)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

02-08-2008, 10:58 AM

I've been following this thread quietly for quite some time now. It's an amazing project and from what you've shown us it really captures a warm and magic spirit. I truthfully hope you two continue to work on this project. Took the time to read the whole thread through once more this morning and still found lots of interesting things :)

I myself am a first year student, studying 3d computer animation and visual effects. I just had my mid-year assessment and my teachers were really happy with me. The only point of criticism was that they didn't really know what in 3d got me really excited. And when I thought about it, I couldn't really think of something that _really_ got me going, except the Warcraft 3 animations from way back. But now that I've visited this thread again, it's become much clearer what I want to get out of my study and 3d in general. I still have 3.5 years of this study ahead of me and really want to commit myself to it.

thanks alot for this thread and keep us posted! And, would you mind if I linked you on my site? Thanks :)

02-14-2008, 07:54 AM
Hey thanks Gijs of you kind comment!!! :o)

Best of luck with your studies!!! & Don't worry, like everything, it's very fun if you enjoy doing what you're doing!!!
I saw you're website! Keep up the good work!!! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

02-14-2008, 07:55 AM
Hey everyone!!! :)

For Valentine's Day, i present to you a new shot of Meline embedded with a making of/behind the scene-thingy!!! :p

This is still a wip, trying to find a correct animation. It's intense!
I hope you like it!!!
I'll post the animation very soon !:)



Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

02-14-2008, 08:16 AM
Hii Sebastian. =] This thread has been goin on for quite a while now, and it looks great! I love the expression on her face, and the hair and eyes look awesome. The little drawings on the wall+the lighting really add to the softness and charm of the whole picture. Can't wait to see the animation!

02-14-2008, 12:57 PM
Looking good! looking good! Loving the lighting!! I'm finally getting lighting lessons in school, working out how we can fake GI and everything :) So hopefully that'll give me more insight on how you achieved this. Keep it coming man!!

Oh, and any chance we'll be seeing this at Annecy this (or next) year? :D

Bryan Y
02-15-2008, 01:29 AM
The expression on her face and the lighting and the render in general is just such a beautifully captured moment...

02-15-2008, 02:54 AM
This is going to be great :) it's already great, it'll be greater :) Keep it up, thanks for keeping us updated:thumbsup:

02-15-2008, 03:33 AM
really nice work. the renders are pretty amazing and the quality of the test anim is just great, maybe a bit fast but great overall. I do think she doesn't look that young also. I hate to be insulting but there really seems to be a creepy connection to your character and some sort of sexy older woman. I'm reading some sort of sexual identity much much older than the character. just a thought for believability.

02-18-2008, 03:58 AM
Hey Sebastien, excelente work... i saw your short "running away" and i found it very good. Now, this little girl looks even better. Congratulations to you and your girlfriend for this well done work.

greetings. Nice work.

02-18-2008, 05:58 AM
Hey Sebastien,

Just had to chime in for a minute and really show some love for the renders of meline...I really love the soft glow of the scene...it emits a very beautiful calmness and playfulness of Meline.

Keep it going dude...

02-18-2008, 06:58 AM
Wow (drop Jaw)!!!
That's really really nice. I always like your lighting...
Keep it up...


02-19-2008, 08:47 AM
Hi , I discover this thread only today , and WOWOWOWOW...
Thanks a lot to share all this incredible "stuff " !!!

Felicitation une fois de plus , you blow my ass away ! ^^

Congrats and keep it up !

02-22-2008, 09:29 AM
Very impressive ... :)

I was impressed on the first sight when I saw the screenshot at highend3d.com. The quality of work is really great. And I like the way you present all the stuffs.

Everything is very nice. After I saw your work I found a encouragement inside me that I can also do something.

The rendering is very nice... the main thing is bloom effect which you have given. its looks so nice...

I have few questions in my mind that: 1) which renderer you have used. 2) Is the bloom effect rendered from Maya or it is composite effect. 3) What is the procedure to achieve so nice bloom glow effect.

I would like to say thanks to Virginie and Sebastien for your efforts.


Bryan Y
02-22-2008, 04:39 PM
It's worth scanning through the whole thread and at least reading ssebastienn's replies - he gives out a lot of info. I believe he uses the Maya renderer, Mental Ray on the occlusion pass, and does the glow in post-production compositing.

02-22-2008, 05:10 PM
Great look! I'm really eager to see this movie. I hope the animations can match the quality of the images ;)

Only on crit: In the (final?) composited images everything looks quite blury. Why this? Or is this due to compression? Anyway, keep it up!

02-22-2008, 08:39 PM
I love reading this thread. I really, really do. I know this is a poor excuse for a post but...I love reading this thread.

02-24-2008, 05:46 AM
:) very nice lighting
you did a great job.

what did you use for the lighting setup?

best regards.

02-25-2008, 06:13 AM
Thanks, Bryan

Thanks for your information what I was wanted to know.

Cheers... :)

03-01-2008, 06:32 AM
Hi Sebastien... Can't wait for your update again especially the recent render you had posted. BTW just wanna ask about the big tree, is it a paint effects tree converted to polys? Or is it modeled and whata bout its leaves? But looking on the renders (viewport screenshot), seemed to be not a paint effects tree, right?
Thanks for the information...

03-06-2008, 08:25 AM
:: Ryoku ::
Thanks Zachary, I’m glad you took the time to say that to us! That really helps when we work late at night! :o) thanks again!

:: Revvels ::
Woaw! Love the excitement Gjis! I’ll try to post making ofs, but later in the production. Right now, stepping every scene asks us a loooots of time and effort! :D
Not this year, and the year after? Maybe! :o) We’ll see how the production & post-production goes!

:: Bryan Y ::
Thanks Bryan! I’m really REALLY happy you like the facial expression. That’s a step we don’t want to rush and mess it up. We’re putting a lot of effort on it! :o)

:: XTitan ::
Thanks for your comment and support Pavlin! :o)

:: kernelb0i ::
Hum :o) that’s… that’s a weird analysis ! :o) Can you go further in your explanation? :o)

:: Halduke ::
Running Away! I’m so glad people talk about this short film still today :o) Thanks Gabriel! :p

:: HaloAnimator ::
Hi Kashif! The “calmness and playfulness” is what we’re trying to aim, so that’s cool you noticed it and liked it! :o) thanks for you comment and continuing support!! :D

:: ymhon ::
Thanks again for your support Raymond! Means a lot! :p As for the tree, you’re right, the trunk was modeled and textured by Virginie in Maya. She made enough detailed so that the tree look good from the point of view of the camera. The leaves though were in the first place paintFX effects. Then I converted it in mesh so that I could control more easily the volume & shadows.

:: Scob ::
Hi Jerome! :p Thanks, I’m really happy you tumble into our thread! :p

:: Subhenhu3d ::
Yeah we made it to highend3d.com! that was great! We were also featured on 3dtotal.com and 3dvf.com. that was fun! :o)
I really like when people says that they are encouraged to work on their own short film etc! That’s a nice compliment I guess! :)
As for your question, I render everything with Maya Software, except the occlusion that is made with Mental Ray! Every postFX is done under combustion. And to have that overall look, I work back and forth between Maya and Combustion to mix everything together!
Thanks Subhendu!

:: cANt ::
Hey Jonas! The animation is a big part, we’re working reeeaaaaally hard on it!!! That takes a lot of time of course! :o) And the quality of the render here is not optimal as everything is render without antialiasing or texture filtering etc as we are trying to optimize the render as much as possible. (We will of course re-render everything in high quality :o) plus the picture is jpg-compressed a lot… so that doesn’t help :o)

:: Piek ::
That’s a nice excuse from you! Thanks for stopping by, Pete!! :)

:: creapics ::
Thanks! I’ll post a making of the lighting process as soon as possible! Promise! :p

Virginie and I would like to say thanks for your wonderfull comments!!! :love:

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

03-06-2008, 12:06 PM
I have follow this thread a quite some time now! but this is my first comment in this thread.

WOW just WOW!!! this project is unbelievable! i love everything that you guys have make on this piece:thumbsup:

*****for sure:)

03-07-2008, 01:10 AM
I followed this project for some time and I must say , this is very cute and inspiring
project , (like a fresh air in the morning ).
keep it up ! . can't wait to see the next update .

03-07-2008, 07:36 AM
:: STANER ::
Thanks!!! Thanks for posting you first comment here!!! :)

:: Doch ::
Glad that inspires you!! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

03-07-2008, 07:38 AM

Today, Virginie and I are proud to present to you, the New and Official "Meline" website! :)

"MEET MELINE" (2009) Official Website : WWW.MEETMELINE.COM (http://www.MEETMELINE.COM)

Hope you like it! Send us feedback if you want! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

03-07-2008, 11:46 AM
That AWESOME and Beautyfull... you are both doing a crazy work...

Cheers!! :beer:

03-07-2008, 04:45 PM
greate information and you did a very good job :)
good luck

03-07-2008, 11:34 PM
Pfffouu that's so great... :eek: :cool:

Love all the stuff shown in this thread, what a project !

Bon courage pour la suite, ca claque ! :thumbsup:

03-08-2008, 05:50 AM
the thread is still alive (can't believe, hehe) that's awesome
very huge job you did, i have no words, only (if i can) 5 stars :) :thumbsup:

03-12-2008, 12:47 AM
Wow can't wait to see and download the video... yihaa

03-12-2008, 01:00 AM
Depuis le temps que je bave devant ce topic je me dois bien de dire a quel point c'est énorme !!! :bowdown:
Sans déconner à chaque fois que je passe par ici je reste skotché devant mon ecran pendant des heures, a mater vos rendus comme un con.

Bref, that's just amazing: keep it up ! :thumbsup:

03-12-2008, 08:35 AM
cool site but the white background is kinda annoying :D maybe it is just me but I think if u made it like the inside color or darker tone it will look cool ...............just an idea :bounce:

03-12-2008, 01:30 PM
Very, very good! I like all of your work, and how you seem to keep a
clean, in-uniform workflow all the way through... This is nice, especially
for those that have a bit of OCD... :D

My favorite shot would have to be the clubhouse, or whatever from a
distance. Then, I really like the tools; their specularity really adds realism...
As far as the little girl - Is this a characture of the girl in your profile pic?
Anyhow, your character is modeled, really well (I'm not worthy). I'm not
too sure if you're shooting for photo realism on her or not, but I see it as
more of a level where she's in a video game cinematic...

Wow... You work really rocks... 5-Stars!
~Andrew R. Shelton Sr.

03-17-2008, 05:26 AM
Great! Can't wait to see the end result from your team. Keep up the good work.

03-18-2008, 03:12 AM
great! Still a Meline fan, can´t wait 2 see it, don´t dissapoint us Sebastien!

03-18-2008, 12:47 PM
Virginie and you are making an incredible work, it's impressive and I have to say it's one of the best work I have seen so far; I think this not have to be easy but keep your chin up!
I can't wait for to see the final animation :S


P.S. for both you cgtalk will have to do an special award with 30k award inside :D

03-26-2008, 05:28 PM
:: SuperXCM ::
thanks Simone!! :o) Stay tuned, right? :)

:: creapics ::
thanks for the support man! :o)

:: Shimrodd ::
Yéééé! :o) Merci François pour ton soutient! Ca nous motive énormément!! :o)

:: Leshiy3D ::
Alexey, of course the thread is still alive!! :p

:: ymhon ::
Meet too! Thanks Raymond!!! :p

:: Kami No Namida ::
Super! je suis ravi de voir que les images te retiennent bien!! :o)
Merci pour ton post Maxim!!!

:: thebest ::
The website is still in progress. We would like keep a fresh-pure website :o)

:: DrewShelton ::
Ahahah, no, my CGTALK Profile Picture is not supposed to be "Meline", but that's a nice parallel! :p
And no, we are not aim for a photorealistic shortfilm. Just a stylized one :o)
Thanks for your wonderful comments!!! :o)

:: JSBdesigns ::
Me too! Thanks Jessa :p

:: chrchaves ::
We won't disappoint you, that's a promise!!! :D

:: manum ::
Manuel! Thanks for your comments too!!! That helps a looot! :o)

Thank you sooo much everyone!!! :o)
Have fun!!

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

03-27-2008, 07:34 AM
hey sebastian great work there, just awasome!

im making a short film as my final project and i looked at the making of "AWAY", which is extremely valuable for me, to learn how to manage a short film.
the problem i have is that few of the links dont work, and for those are the importent ones, im talking about first 3 movies in the making of section...

can you fix the links? im sure alot of people want to see this..

keep up the great work.


03-27-2008, 02:36 PM
really inspiring thread keep up the great looking work :)

04-08-2008, 08:16 AM
Hey everyone!

Just a little note to inform you that we're still working on Meline, don't worry :p But as you already know, it takes quite some time :p

We have some shots right now, but in a very WIP state. We would like to have the entire rough film for this summer, and then go back to the first shot and polish them one by one :o)
Cant' wait for this summer! :o)

I'll try to post some test animations and wireframe renders of the set, as 75% of the sets are laied out :o)

Thanks for you support! ;)
We'll be back! :D

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

04-08-2008, 11:50 AM
Hey everyone!

Just a little note to inform you that we're still working on Meline, don't worry :p But as you already know, it takes quite some time :p

We have some shots right now, but in a very WIP state. We would like to have the entire rough film for this summer, and then go back to the first shot and polish them one by one :o)
Cant' wait for this summer! :o)

I'll try to post some test animations and wireframe renders of the set, as 75% of the sets are laied out :o)

Thanks for you support! ;)
We'll be back! :D

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

Hi sebastien!

sounds like a good plan my friend! can't wait to see the new updates:)

04-09-2008, 05:31 AM
Go for it :D!

(also, I'm working on my very first short since a few weeks, for school :D)

04-09-2008, 07:41 AM
simply amazing work :bowdown:

04-09-2008, 09:27 PM
I am amazed by your works, and effort.

things look great, I look forward to seeing it coming through.



04-29-2008, 03:40 PM
:: STANER ::
Hey Stanislav. Soon, very soon I promise! :)

:: Revvels ::
Best of luck with your short film Gijs! Let me know how it goes! :)
I would love to see your progress! :)

:: itayg ::
Thanks for the comments Itay!!! :)

:: nerversong ::
thanks you so much! I've seen your gallery, you have some pretty good work too! :)
Your characters are quite impressive! :)

And for all of you guys, the next updates will be online very soon I promise! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

04-29-2008, 04:03 PM

hey ssebastienn
holy cow this shot is incredible - the look & feel of it all is so heartwarming! Like all good projects they take their time but they're worth it especially once the pipeline gets moving along and the project work accelerates! Truly awesome work and cant wait to see more especially the outside - its amazing!

ps - my sister asked could you do a render/wallpaper of all the teddies n toys in a heap for her laptop lol!

04-29-2008, 05:00 PM
And for all of you guys, the next updates will be online very soon I promise! :p

Can't wait ! :bounce:

05-01-2008, 12:38 AM
Is it ready yet?? where can i see it?? haha... just joking, I can't wait ssebastienn.

05-13-2008, 03:24 PM
Hey Everyone! :)

I would like to show you an interview done for "Meet Meline" by Ivan ROJO.
We discused about the production of "Meet Meline", 3D techniques, gained experience, other projects etc. :D

Anyway, without further ado : CLICK TO READ THE INTERVIEW ! (http://inrojo.blogspot.com/2008/05/entrevista-con-sebastian-laban.html)
Thanks Ivan! :o)

Stay Tuned !! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

05-13-2008, 04:00 PM
man u are so f****** amazing, this is just unbelievable.
ive been watching silently but, i just had to post this :)
keep on going. WOW and grats.

05-13-2008, 04:51 PM
Great Stuff. I can't wait to see it. Hey Sebastien will you be animating the cameras in this short film? Keep up the good work!

05-13-2008, 07:32 PM
Amazing work!! :bowdown:5*

05-16-2008, 11:58 AM
:: KamiNoNamida ::
Ahah, thanks, Give us a little more time!

:: Alphagsv ::
still not, but when we have a free time, it's "Meet Meline"'s time ! :)

:: my7hai ::
Thanks for posting!! :)

:: JBSDesigns ::
thanks for your support! :o)

:: maksy ::
Many thanks to you too!!! :D

Next Post : Update! I swear!!! :)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

05-16-2008, 12:31 PM
"" Next Post : Update! I swear!!! "":)

Yes, yes, yes ! :cool:

05-16-2008, 12:40 PM
ok, i must admit that normally i hate majority of stuff done in 3d.
its either toilet cleaners, or supermens *(adds or super duper hero stuff)
but that doesn't make me hate 3d, in fact i love it. and even though only minority of stuff is not only visually interesting to me but has something more to it, i must admit (looking at the shots U posted) U might have done something really ... promising (you and your G-friend)
so congrats to bouth.
*(for others, i love superman (and adds, i worked on them for a year) and have nothing against it in terms of 3d, and cg but the story, sorry i am not American and this is not something i have read while i was child, so U must understand i have no obligations to love it :) but here we enter to much of philosophy then the matter which is on topic, so sorry,)
so all the best, and we all whate for melay.
best luck, M.
u have a shot of old tree, and in my blog ( http://3dideas.wordpress.com/ ) right now i am figring out how to generate "cool" tree models, so if u have nothing to do (or have free time) would be nice to hear your opinion.

05-16-2008, 12:42 PM
Yellow ! :)

Big update today! :)
Virginie and I are proud to present you, 2 WIP pictures or/and behind-the-scenes! :p

The textures are Lowres here and there's no Anti-aliasing. We do that to have the quickest test renders as possible.
When working on early test renders, these kind of parameters are not very important (it's like a bonus!). That can slow your renders by 4 times or more! ... And you don't want that :)
This way we can tweak/setup the overall look of each shots easily.
So, that's when you need it, in the end, that every frame will be re-render in HIRES, and the final touches will be done.

I put a screenshot of the script on the first behind-the-scenes composition. I always find it funny that a single line on a script can create that many work! And that's a frame you're looking at. There's also all the animation work that we have to consider. :)

Also, as you can see, the previz helped us a lot. Since a lot of the timing & composition was done during this step, we could jump into a shot and start working with a clear vision of the complete shot, its constraints, what can be done on comp, what wont etc...
So, anyway, here there are :



Oh, and just a reminder for those who might have missed it. We answer an interview with Ivan ROJO that you can read here: CLICK TO READ THE INTERVIEW ! (http://inrojo.blogspot.com/2008/05/entrevista-con-sebastian-laban.html) :p

Have fun! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

05-16-2008, 02:32 PM
awwww man personally i can't wait for this short to be finished.
I've been keeping an eye on this thread for some time, it's really interessting to see the progress and techniques.

It looks AWESOME...Makes me wanna start a project if Only I had the time.

Keep it up. I can't wait for it to be finished

05-16-2008, 02:38 PM
Gorgeous and dedicated work - you deserve the five stars. Well done.

05-16-2008, 03:07 PM
U are Cute artist Sebastienn cool work I will wait to see all movie with this cute 3d graphics. All the best :beer:

05-16-2008, 08:11 PM
I wonder what I could possibly say that hasn't been said already, so I just wanna give both of you a cheering "keep at it" and "go get them" :P You're doing a great job you two!


05-17-2008, 02:20 AM
Wow definitely awesome. I always like your WIPS... Keep it up guys...:bowdown:

05-18-2008, 05:58 PM
Hey I wonder, if you don't mind, how do you do your wires? They look really good. I've tried many ways of doing mine, but each way has it's own bad fault. I either won't get all edges or my wires get smudgy and clumped together unless I'm really close to the objects. And with lots of stuff in one scene that's just messy. Yours seem both smooth and accurate even at larger distances.

Thanks and once again, great stuff you're doing.

05-19-2008, 01:18 PM
this look so damn good.

05-19-2008, 02:02 PM
I love your art, fantastic

06-06-2008, 07:59 AM
:: Shuyinsan ::
Thanks! Let me know about your project when you start. I love to see stuff from other people! :)

:: Tymotzues ::
Thank you Tim! I love your website! :)

:: kiboSVK ::
Glad you love the 3d Tomas.

:: Seijiro ::
Thanks for your support Robert! :)
As for the wire, we're trying to model all of the objects with the same definition. Try to optimize the modeling of your objects, put details only when requiered and you'll get a nice averall wire :o)

:: ymhon ::
thanks! :o)

:: Warpy ::
Hey warpy! Nice to see you there! and thanks! :o)

:: marcogalli ::
Thanks Marco! :o)

Again, many thanks everyone! :o)
It's always nice to have all taht support in the head while working late at night! That really helps! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com)

06-06-2008, 08:00 AM

As for the real news, at the moment, we are working on the biggest shot of "Meet meline". It's not that there is many details, hair interacting with water, crowds and epique battles in it. No. It's just a very long take that last 62 seconds where we follow our little girl Meline (The second longuest shot is 45 seconds long and the third longuest shot last for 32 seconds). Animation. :)
It's a very important shot and if we manage to put all our ideas in it, if we manage to place all the important keys that will support the story, this will be a fantastic shot that we will be very proud of as for the 25 other ones.:)

Can't wait to show you! :p

Another great thing is that almost all the modeling is done now! Yeee! :scream: What's missing are some minor details here and there that will be done after the first pass on the complete shortfilm.

I promise we will post more stuff like screenshots, behind the scenes, making ofs after the summer, after the first pass is done. It's just that, right now, there is sooo much to do, we dont want to tackle too many thins at once. :p

Thanks for your support everyone, it means a looot !

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

06-06-2008, 08:41 AM
ive followed this thread since the start and i absoloutely admire your dedication and attention to detail its stunning. I think the pre renders have a real advent children style to them but 10 times better. Its really atmospheric and it works with the character so well.

Congratulations and i have no doubt you will finish this :)

06-06-2008, 08:53 AM
those last couple of wip shots are fantastic - I love the subtle depth of field you have on the 2nd one - is that a post effect that you added with a depth map Sebastienn?

I love all the bits of matter in the air - thats something I'm working on with my own animation wip (link in my signature) which I'm doing in post effects - if you get a spare couple of minutes Sebastienn I'd really appreciate your thoughts on my project and where it is so far :)

really looking forward to seeing your next animation update - even with low res textures its going to look exquisite :bowdown:


06-07-2008, 05:54 PM
Still waiting for Meline Sebastien!:) :cool: :D

06-08-2008, 09:23 PM
sebastien...why "Meline" ? :) :) :)

06-09-2008, 04:00 PM
:: knowlesmark5 ::
Thanks for your support, Mark! :o) i loved you showreel! you've got some very interesting thing on it!

:: anthonymcgrath ::
Yes, we use a depth map created on may to add some depth of field on the render.
As for the project you're working on right now, That's very very nice! I've anwser on your thread :o)

:: chrchaves ::
Working on it, working on it! :o)

:: Zork ::
Nice question, Very original yet simple! :o)
The name "Meline" comes from Virginie. She always liked that name. She told me about it in the very beginning of "Meet meline", and I say "why not, that's a nice name" :o) ... Six months ago, Virginie noticed that there is a strange link between the names of her 3 nieces (that are Melanie, Aurelie, Marine) and "Meline".

Have you noticed? MELANIE + AURELIE + MARINE = MELINE !!! :p

Weird huh? :o) I guess there some Freud theory somewhere here... or that's just a coincidence (because if you put a number to each letters (A=1, B=2, etc...) and you multiply all the numbers by 10, minus cos(value.meline), you get 1588.2.... and 1588.2, translated in letters, is "WALL-E" ! Amazing hu? :o) )

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

06-09-2008, 04:03 PM
Facebook ! :p


Two weeks ago, I decided to put a foot into facebook. I caved in ... :p
Anyway, I discovered something that's not as bad as I though. "That's fun, harmless, let's live with it" I told myself.

To go a little futher, I openned a facebook group called "Meet Meline". I'm not sure of its use but why don't have one? hihi :)
Here is the link of the "Meet Meline" Facebook Group : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17836116455

Cheers! :o)
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

07-04-2008, 08:35 AM
Youhou !!! :o)

A little heads up to tell you that there's only 126 frames of character animation to go! :o)
The biggest and most exhausting part is almost over! Then it will be the moments of retakes, tweaks, details of every shot!!! :o)

So stay tune for lots of pictures and test animations! We will ask you for a lot of feedback! :o)

We're so happy! :p
Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

07-04-2008, 08:43 AM
Wow we can't wait for that Sebastien...

07-04-2008, 08:35 PM
Great work, I bet we'll see some awesome stuff. Will be fun to watch.

07-04-2008, 09:12 PM
Hi Sebastien,

I've seen this wip a while ago, never had a chance to response.

I just want to say that its absolutely amazing to see whole project coming together into real masterpiece. I can't wait to see final animation.


07-05-2008, 04:50 PM
wat a fantastic work.............

really amazing work...........:applause::applause::applause:

i love ur character very much......:love:

07-05-2008, 11:23 PM
super projet !
ton blog image/image est vraiment une bonne idée et bonne source, merci.

07-06-2008, 01:53 AM
waw very nice work keep going and the girl realy she is so cute

07-06-2008, 05:28 PM
Can't wait to see the end result Sebastien. :)

07-07-2008, 04:22 PM
wow ssebastienn....im glad u have come so far...waiting patiently for melinie

07-10-2008, 10:25 PM
:: ymhon ::
thanks! :)

:: Sejiro ::
Thanks Robert! I hope too!

:: Wyszolmirski ::
I'm glad you did write a little something! It's always good to know! :)

:: visionmaster2 ::
Hey! merci Marc. Je suis bien content que tu aime http://image-par-image.blogspirit.com (http://image-par-image.blogspirit.com/). Ca faisait longtemps que j'avais pas mis a jour le blog :)

:: kameldesign ::
Thanks Kamel !!! :)

:: Alphagsv ::
Stay tuned! More to see

:: robinmitra1 ::
Yeah, just a little more effort! :D

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

07-13-2008, 11:04 AM
CUT!!! THAT'S A WRAP!!! :)

No, I’m not kidding! “Principal Photography” :p of “Meet Meline” is now over! :o)
Yyyaaa! :p

Now, it’s Post-Production time which includes retakes of some animations & renders, compositing, sounds, music etc!!! and make each shot as readable as possible! :o)

So even though Production is over, the Post-Production will ask a lot of effort too for the next 6 months! :p

So Happy ! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien–laban.com (http://www.sebastien–laban.com/)

07-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Yay! :thumbsup:

Congratulations Sebastien. I am SO looking forward to seeing this.
This wonderful thread is an absolute joy to watch, and a lesson to us all.

Thanks so much for sharing it with us, and I'll have a little drink this afternoon to you both.


07-13-2008, 12:02 PM
WOW !! She is so cute!

I love your work really much!! 5 stars from me

really can´t wait to see the final render !!!

07-14-2008, 11:33 PM
CUT!!! THAT'S A WRAP!!! :)

No, I’m not kidding! “Principal Photography” :p of “Meet Meline” is now over! :o)
Yyyaaa! :p

Now, it’s Post-Production time which includes retakes of some animations & renders, compositing, sounds, music etc!!! and make each shot as readable as possible! :o)

So even though Production is over, the Post-Production will ask a lot of effort too for the next 6 months! :p

So Happy ! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien–laban.com (http://www.sebastien–laban.com)

OMG OMG ! this is getting close ! Still can't wait to see the result :bounce:
Hope some linetests are comming soon, kinda dying for something new :drool:

08-26-2008, 07:55 AM
Hey ! Hey ! Hey ! :o)

Today, Virginie & I are proud to present to you, “MEET MELINE” … FOR REAL! :p

Oriana GOYONS (Virginie’s little sister) made the first set of “Meet Meline” as a maquette, a scale model using FIMO past (Polymer past). The beam and the ground are made with real wood painted to give it a more natural/old/used look! :p

She did an incredible job molding every little object that is on the short-film! :)





Leave her a quick message, and I’ll forward it to her! :o)
You can also visit her website at the following url : http://oriana27.free.fr (http://oriana27.free.fr/)
Many thanks Oriana!!! :p

On the next post, you’ll see the CGI version of these photos! :o)

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-26-2008, 07:59 AM
Hey again!

Now, as promised, here is the “real” cgi shot of “Meet Meline” that matches the scaled model photos of the previous post! :p
You can see some differences of course, but the feeling is the same! :)





See you sooooon! :p

Sebastien LABAN
www.sebastien-laban.com (http://www.sebastien-laban.com/)

08-26-2008, 08:24 AM
Hi ssebastienn!

can't wait till 2009:deal:

This project is very inspiring for me...i really would like to have a same quality renders with my ( cartoon robo)