PS3 not in production yet

[Shaderhacker]

From an interview posted at Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6156046.html?sid=6156046&part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6156046):


Can they make them fast enough to meet the launch date? I think we'll see another eBay frenzy, ala the 360 launch.

I'm just going to buy the 360 for now. Things are fishy about this system..

-M

[mech7]

ah that explains the other post.. it will lead the market till 2011 because it will be released in 2008 :wise:

[AdamHerbert]

ah that explains the other post.. it will lead the market till 2011 because it will be released in 2008 :wise:

lol:applause:

UPDATE--Sony has contacted GameSpot to clarify the number of PS3s available at the end of the calendar year. The company is targeting 2 million PS3s available at launch, and an additional 2 million by the end of 2006.

Wow, that's a lofty goal for having less than 3 months and not even begining production.

[sheppyboy2000]

From an interview posted at Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6156046.html?sid=6156046&part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6156046):


Can they make them fast enough to meet the launch date? I think we'll see another eBay frenzy, ala the 360 launch.

http://www.megagames.com/news/show.cgi?&idtype=console&database=1127&page=1&

Normally I have more reliable news but Sony announced around that time that they have received their first shipment of 200,000 PS3s. All sitting in a factory. Sony has three seperate facilities manufacturing the PS3s.

Consider your topic dead...

[noisewar]

http://www.megagames.com/news/show.cgi?&idtype=console&database=1127&page=1&

Normally I have more reliable news but Sony announced around that time that they have received their first shipment of 200,000 PS3s. All sitting in a factory. Sony has three seperate facilities manufacturing the PS3s.

Consider your topic dead...

Having the components is only one aspect of production. From Sony folks I've talked to, it seems like the hardware is doing just fine, what's holding things up is on the software end. That leads me to guess that their current bottleneck is the copy protection scheme, which never met a consensual agreement with other developers. This is evidenced by the fact that the PC blu-ray drive will not play non-Sony movies. Of course, all this could be remedied by a simple firmware update after the PS3 is released, but there could be a consumer reaction to that.

[pearson]

All I have to go on is post date, which shows the Gamespot story is a month more recent than the megagames story. I can't explain the discrepancy, but I doubt Hirai would lie about such a thing. Perhaps the megagames story refers to a test run (it says 200k is very small) and Sony doesn't consider the production to actually be in full swing?:shrug:

[hiphopcr]

Gosh, why is the vibe around this system so bad? It seems like there hasn't been any positive Sony news for months (aside from the recent Yankee Group report).

In the end, however, I think Sony will still maintain it's lead, albeit a smaller lead (only time will tell how small).

[Ghostscape]

Gosh, why is the vibe around this system so bad? It seems like there hasn't been any positive Sony news for months (aside from the recent Yankee Group report).

In the end, however, I think Sony will still maintain it's lead, albeit a smaller lead (only time will tell how small).

Because Sony's magic hype engine isn't hiding the fact that their system costs $600 dollars and doesn't have any must-have launch titles or anything new or exciting, plus Sony has a recent history of hardware problems. The 360 didn't really launch with any must-have titles either, but it's got a pretty solid lineup now and with more on the way, and it's already entrenched rather well in the game market.

Considering how much a co-worker of mine made off of reselling 360s on ebay, I've thought about purchasing a PS3 (or several :D) but I don't really want one, personally. While some of the video they're tossing around looks interesting, nothing is mindblowingly different (like the Wiimote) and there aren't any interesting features (Xbox Live Arcade) to differentiate it from the previous generation (excusing graphics, of course).

If the system was shipping with MGS4 as a launch title, or something else that has that sort of buzz, I'd be more interested in it on launch. But I got burned badly with the PS2 (one launch system crashed and wouldn't turn on, the replacement lasted 3-4 years before the drive burnt out and Sony replaced it for free since this was a well known problem with systems from the first months) and there simply aren't any games coming out.

I enjoy the hell out of my PS2 and have a ton of games for it, but Sony is up against two very different consoles that are leaps and bounds ahead of the prior generation in more than just graphics. Meanwhile Sony is charging more while offering less aside from pretty shiny bits, and to be quite honest, the majority of people outside the CG industry are not as impressed with graphics as the rest of us. Those people you know that are excited and awed by Bryce renderings spheres over water really aren't going to spend an extra $200 on a theoretically more graphically intense system.

[heavyness]

i don't know if it's true or not, but a delay on the PS3 would do some major damage. i'll treat this as a rumor until i hear more.

[Neeno]

Working for major games company in Australia, the truth is, it is being delayed and yes, they have the hardware but have not began production to sell to Suppliers. Just as an example there was a sony meeting last week, they supposedly had a PS3 showing as well as teh games convention in Germany, yes wow at first sight it looked like a PS3 and wow graphics was amazing. But a good friend who works for Sony Australiasia was there and it was great to have a cha about this great machine. But if you stepped around back it was simply a HD/DVD player sitting in the back Running a repeat of Videos for our enjoyment and obviously not real time and the Sony Speaker had no idea what he was talking about.

People Expect a delay. All the major games companies in Australia have ripped down all signs for November 17th international release. It won't come. If you don't believe me then ask the Director/Executive of Sony Playstation to become a member of CGtalk and say it for himself.

[SheepFactory]

It will be disaster for sony to miss the holiday season.

[Phylix]

With every month they are delaying, the PS3 hardware setup will age more and more.
It wouldn't suprised me if upcomming PC titles like Crysis will look better on DirectX10 Hardware than any PS3 title and that's basicly all the PS3 is about.

[SamSed]

Don't know how credible this information is :shrug:, but from here:
http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20060509_ps3.html
It says,the release dates are :
Japan : November 11,2006.
North America/europe : November 17,2006.

Edit: ok, just realized that this news is from may,9 . and from that time things went wrong for Sony !

[noisewar]

With every month they are delaying, the PS3 hardware setup will age more and more.
It wouldn't suprised me if upcomming PC titles like Crysis will look better on DirectX10 Hardware than any PS3 title and that's basicly all the PS3 is about.

Not a big fan of Crysis, but yes it'll look better, and it'll also be easier to develop for, mark my words.

[Apoclypse]

For a compnay who makes so much money off of this one brand, you'd think they would treat it better. You'd also think they would learn from there previous console and make it easy as pie for developers to create content for. MS did just that with the xbox and other than the 3 cores to deal with the xbox 360 is pretty cool to develop for. Whats up with Sony. I think they need Disney like revolution overthere at least when it comes to the playstation department.

[sheppyboy2000]

It seems the ONLY consoles immune from doom and gloom forecasts are Nintendos. If you recall, Sega Dreamcast had massive issues against it. Same with Xbox, PSP, Xbox 360, and even PS2. Up until a closer period to launch, the good news isn't expected to start rolling in.

It should be noted that several developers of some of the Xbox 360 to PS3 ports have come forward with stories of very little work needed in porting the game (who knows, Blazing Angels may actually become playable for a change).

[JohnD]

For a compnay who makes so much money off of this one brand, you'd think they would treat it better. You'd also think they would learn from there previous console and make it easy as pie for developers to create content for. MS did just that with the xbox and other than the 3 cores to deal with the xbox 360 is pretty cool to develop for. Whats up with Sony. I think they need Disney like revolution overthere at least when it comes to the playstation department.

That's exactly what my buddy, who works in the gaming industry, said to me this weekend. That game developers are pulling their hair out because the PS3's hardware is just so complex.

[ParamountCell]

It seems the ONLY consoles immune from doom and gloom forecasts are Nintendos.

Have you forgotten not so long ago on this very board, many would say nintendo was doomed to become the next sega?

[psyop63b]

Given that the Gamecube did not support the DVD format, I'm sure there were some grim predictions about it's chances for success.

A big reason I think a lot of people are lambasting the PS3 from the start is because Sony is making a very transparent play for control of the entire home entertainment market. And by control, I mean CONTROL.

Sony has made this kind of play for control many times in the past, with various formats, and failed. You won't find many Americans that will be receptive to this, and I would assume most other people in other countries will not be either.

[tozz]

That's exactly what my buddy, who works in the gaming industry, said to me this weekend. That game developers are pulling their hair out because the PS3's hardware is just so complex.
And my friend's friend... etc..

Sorry but I rather believe the companies who sais it's easy (like Epic did and I remember some EA dude saying the same), we heard the exact same arguments about the PS2, so hard so hard, and yet, so many awesome titles... There's really no logic at all behind it.

[Sonk]

And my friend's friend... etc..

Sorry but I rather believe the companies who sais it's easy (like Epic did and I remember some EA dude saying the same), we heard the exact same arguments about the PS2, so hard so hard, and yet, so many awesome titles... There's really no logic at all behind it.

And tomorrow, Kojima is going to have a new MGS4 trailer, i dont hear "its hard" from them at all. ;)

[JohnD]

And my friend's friend... etc..

Sorry but I rather believe the companies who sais it's easy (like Epic did and I remember some EA dude saying the same), we heard the exact same arguments about the PS2, so hard so hard, and yet, so many awesome titles... There's really no logic at all behind it.

Hey...no worries. I'm just simply stating what someone in the gaming industry has told me instead of a spokesperson.

[Hawke]

Gamesradar tends to be a reliable source of information and they are quoting Hirai San:

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20060822104530875089&releaseId=20060314132311609002

Considering a £150 preorder deposit has also been proposed to try and prevent the mass ordering of consoles to sell on ebay you may find yourself out £150 with no PS3 until well into 2007 :(

[sheppyboy2000]

Wait... you're citing Gamesradar as an accurate source of information? HA!

[pearson]

Given that the Gamecube did not support the DVD format, I'm sure there were some grim predictions about it's chances for success.That was nothing compared to the N64 not using discs at all. 650MB was more than 10 times what Nintendo had, and the cost per MB was much, much better. Just to make the cartridge cost $30! There was no way they could compete on price with cheap PS1 games that hit $20 bargain bins.

And don't forget all the negativity around the DS before it was released. The dual screen, need for a stylus, etc, had everyone up in arms.

And how can anyone have forgotten the whole Wii name fiasco? It was so bad it was thought to be a PR stunt!

Negativity is just part of the system, and pretty much everybody gets a healthy dose of hate at some point.

[inneractive]

I do not think Sony is even feeling any competitive pressure for the PS3. PS2 is still outselling the XBox360 on a monthly basis. So what is the PS3's competition? Why should they even rush it if PS2 is still doing well?

[Kaostick]

And how can anyone have forgotten the whole Wii name fiasco? It was so bad it was thought to be a PR stunt!

Not to mention the fact that they announced it on April 1st..

[tozz]

Hey...no worries. I'm just simply stating what someone in the gaming industry has told me instead of a spokesperson.
I don't call Tim Sweeny a spokesperson, but whatever.

The pre-order kit is $25 in the very expensive Sweden, where do people get £150 from? You could at least check the stores before making statements, or?

[JohnD]

I don't call Tim Sweeny a spokesperson, but whatever.

The pre-order kit is $25 in the very expensive Sweden, where do people get £150 from? You could at least check the stores before making statements, or?

Huh? Sorry dude...I think you went off onto some other topic?

[tozz]

Huh? Sorry dude...I think you went off onto some other topic?
No the first line was directed at you, the rest is a followup on the "£150 pre-order kit" someone wrote, last time I did a long post the site went down (again) so I didn't botter this time.

[Apoclypse]

Can the N64 be called successful though? It did well and had some hits but I don't know. I still play my psone games like they came out yesterday. That fact alone is why sony is great. They created their new system with backwards compatibilty. They are not making you buy all your games again like Nintendo. Thats why I'm waiting for the PS3, I'm takign a wait and see attitude towards it, more because of Sony's issues with first geneeration hardware. At least I know that if I want to play me some Star Ocean I can.

[Hawke]

No the first line was directed at you, the rest is a followup on the "£150 pre-order kit" someone wrote, last time I did a long post the site went down (again) so I didn't botter this time.

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060721155812890038&sectionId=1006&releaseId=20060314132311609002

I'll accept that appolgy now ;) And preorder pricing is retailer specific.

[tozz]

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060721155812890038&sectionId=1006&releaseId=20060314132311609002

I'll accept that appolgy now ;) And preorder pricing is retailer specific.
You would get one if you posted something with acutal facts. "may" and "as much as" just doesn't cut it for anything in my book. It's like saying you need to pay $300 to pre-order just because one store has that pre-order fee.

[Hawke]

You would get one if you posted something with acutal facts. "may" and "as much as" just doesn't cut it for anything in my book. It's like saying you need to pay $300 to pre-order just because one store has that pre-order fee.

Wow - Relax man. I'll leave you in peace with your book.

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