MetArt Girl

[Cris-Palomino]

Very nice beginning.

What range of color blindness do you have and how do you cope with it in the selection of colors? I have a very good friend who was one of my mentors in 2D design of 3D concepts at Disney, Jim Franzen. An incredible illustrator...he also was color blind.

Cris

[Shanytc]

Hey thanks.

What range of color blindness do you have and how do you cope with it in the selection of colors?

well, i have this range problem:
1. Blue - Purpule - Pink nuances
2. Yellow - Green - Brown nuances.

when it comes to coloring, i have to use a refference and the eye-dropper tool. but sometimes i know the position of the color in the coloring pallete (a friend shows me the position and i just remember it.)

<you can find if your a color blind here: http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html >

disney .. i love it :) and i love the artist.. but working there its not easy.. the work hours are insane! :)
but i would love to speak/talk to artist from disney, and to learn from them.

[Shanytc]

ok, another update before i go to sleep :)
enjoy.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/17/wipdz2.jpg

[Shanytc]

Hey,
i will keep updating you guys from time to time,
enjoy.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4797/wipqe3.jpg

[Cris-Palomino]

This is very interesting to watch being developed.

Did you use reference for the girl and are you eyedropping from a color image of her or from another image? Are you working with Photoshop or Painter?

If you are using the eyedropper in Photoshop, don't use point sample. Change your setting to 3x3 or 5x5 sample when working on a jpg photo. It will average out the color instead of giving you the precise color you eyedropped on. With photos being made up of many little blocks of color to represent the skin color (or whatever) you're looking at, you don't want to pick up a precise green when what you're looking at is a tan. Sample many times for the variations in tones.

Another thing is to make swatches of colors you pick and then eyedrop those swatches to see where they actually fall in the color picker. I suspect you have learned to look at the color picker to know where particular colors are. So test your palette to make sure you are falling into the range you want.

That test you posted was very interesting. Thanks for the link.

I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Cris

[Shanytc]

This is very interesting to watch being developed.

Did you use reference for the girl and are you eyedropping from a color image of her or from another image? Are you working with Photoshop or Painter?

If you are using the eyedropper in Photoshop, don't use point sample. Change your setting to 3x3 or 5x5 sample when working on a jpg photo. It will average out the color instead of giving you the precise color you eyedropped on. With photos being made up of many little blocks of color to represent the skin color (or whatever) you're looking at, you don't want to pick up a precise green when what you're looking at is a tan. Sample many times for the variations in tones.

Another thing is to make swatches of colors you pick and then eyedrop those swatches to see where they actually fall in the color picker. I suspect you have learned to look at the color picker to know where particular colors are. So test your palette to make sure you are falling into the range you want.

That test you posted was very interesting. Thanks for the link.

I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Cris

Thanks. Indeed it is interesting to see how it gets developed by the time. (As i am not a painter) I am developing my paiting skills with your help and other works here which gets me expired and by doing that I am learning their painting skills.

1. Yes, i have a referrence. if i would go and make up my own colors.. well you probably know what would happen :) (not that its worse, but just funny i guess).

2. I work with PhotoShop, you could do the same with both, but I am just used to PhotoShop for a long time now.

I will look farward for your Eye Dropper 3x3 / 5x5 advice. I think it is excellent and will use it. Although I use "Point Sample" I usually drop areas, and not really point by point pixels. Later on I move to a close area and drop again. This gives me the tones I need to create the shading. I guess there are much faster and better techniques that you use which makes your paiting much faster (And mabye you use a Pen-Mouse Wacom thingi to make it way faster. I just use the mouse).

About creating a swatch pallete, well I doubt if it will help me, as I cannot really "know" which color I would sample or look at. (I could name them, but I don't know if they are really named that way :) ), I will keep sampling the way I know for now.

About the test, you'r welcome.
I would love to hear more ideas and critiques from you later on,
And I will definatelly color more of my art (I'v got a new one in progress - drawing at work between launch breaks).

P.S Cris,
I have seen some of your art, it is superb! I love the sketches (Head sketches) and the other colored art! keep on doing the amazing job!.

[niva]

Great work, I really like the original drawing actually :)

Right now when it's half finished it just looks strange to me but I think you're doing great. Can't wait to see it all done.

[Shanytc]

Thanks Niva,

yeah well, the Original is nice indeed, but it's my first coloring on my art on a (hopefully) Pro style, so it will turn out good in the end ;)

so here is another update, i added some paint brush strokes to make it more alive and in an artistic style.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3038/wipii7.jpg

[Shanytc]

Today, is a great day for me,
i have not yet finished my art, but today I finally put an end to my hand pain :) and I bought myself "Wacom Intous3 A6" which will give me a much better performences in painting and of course fun.

http://www.nix.ru/autocatalog/tablets/Intuos3_A6.jpg

time to paint! ;)

[Shanytc]

Amazing how Wacom can really make you paint fast, and on top with the pressure that you need.
i have another update here with wacom retouces.
Enjoy.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1346/wipll4.jpg

[Lman]

AMAZING i really like the progress you have made,
I some times Find it hard coping with my dyslexia It does not effect my art but makes the world of text and words a nasty place so when i leave a comment's like this its kind of a rare thing :) .

but what you can do with color blindness is truly amazing. Well done. this image is looking Really good, i love the light play.
I look forward to more of your work well done.

[Shanytc]

Thanks,
I will try to get my hands over Painter IX so i can use different types of brushes that photoshop doesn't have (that I don't have) so I will be able to start painting more professionaly.

Lman,
I'v seen your art, that was awsome! you have some skills buddy! do you paint with a tablet or mouse? And thanks for your kind words! i am trying my best :)

[Cris-Palomino]

Hi, Shany....your piece is looking very nice. I love my Intuos 3!

Only because of the color-blindness issue, there are some green areas that are in the face. Right now they're standing out a bit...not all are in the same range green as on the nose tip and bits of the mouth. Once you've done the whole thing, they might look more in place...but just a heads up to check on those areas (they're outlined in the example).

Cris

[Shanytc]

Hey Cris,

Thank you very much for this help with the outlined areas! I wouldn't know its green if you wouldn't tell me about it. First thing first will be to re-eyedrop the area and fix the colors.

And your right, I love my Intous3 too :) it makes paiting amazingly fast once you get the hang of it! And I'll soon have Painter IX, so I will also do some work with it and its cool brushes.

Once again,
Many thanks!

[benkashmir]

hey shani i am amazed at how you painted this picture...

i cant wait for you to paint the hair.. i am sure you will do a good job

[glennyong]

this is really good stuff !!

i am impressed totally... u really showed that your disability in colours proved not a challenge to your skills..

i am impressed.....

cant wait to see u finish the portrait up... this is really really good stuffs.

and in addition. i think i have been poisoned to get a Intuos 3 soon.. ahahs.

[randomsheep]

I dont normaly look in the 2D section much, was by accident this time :D, but I must say this is amazing!! I couldnt color in a picture this well, and to think your color blind, its pretty cool! keep it up!! :D would like to see how you see it.. :D

[MedArtist]

i personally enjoy seeing the green in the shadows and am one for bold demarcations. I'd say the only reason near the eye and the tip of the nose the green seems out of place is because there needs to be more green overall. For example, the jawline could use the same tone and hue to define the shadow in that area. I generally stick to the rule of thumb that if my highlights are warm, my shadows are cool. It also makes a portrait look more realistic when you branch out from a family of one color family. People sometimes tend to stick with one color and modify its values for shadows and highlights. Adding color adds depth... for example here:

http://www.januccibella.com/torso

shadows are purple and blue, highlights are yellow and pink. I know it may be kind of hard to tell, but if you use the info panel in photoshop, it may be able to show you what I mean. In this example though, the changes in value are subtle and its not terribly exciting, but it kind of works to illustrate a point.

they eyes are beautiful. i'm excited to see it when its done.

[Shanytc]

Thank you guys, really thanks!!.
I will continue my work at the weekened, I don't have much time since i work all day, but in the weekened I will make more progress and keep you updated.

MedArtist,
Could be, if you make it on purpose, I just don't see any green (or at least not interpreting it as green) so it's good that Chris gives me this selected area so I will be able to fix it.

[Lman]

Thanks,
I will try to get my hands over Painter IX so i can use different types of brushes that photoshop doesn't have (that I don't have) so I will be able to start painting more professionaly.

Lman,
I'v seen your art, that was awsome! you have some skills buddy! do you paint with a tablet or mouse? And thanks for your kind words! i am trying my best :)

I'm very flattered Thanks Alot, :) :D
I use a Cheap Tevion tablet. its nice and big I like taht about it but some times it starts to get a mind of its own, :( I may get a good Wacom some time soon.
Also I use Photoshop CS for digital painting.
My frist love is a nice B2 pencil and paper, maybe some oil paint or acrylic's.

Cant wait this you finish your painting its turing out very nicely indeed, :)

[Shanytc]

Hey all,

I'v done more updates to the face, concetrating on the "belding" and fixing of the main areas.
<I still don't know if I have some green areas since I can't view them - hopefulyl fixed the ones chris told me about)

I will slowly move towards the hair, but thats the hardest part (Since I never did realistic hair - if someone has a good tutorials I will be really greatful).

Enjoy.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/824/wippx0.jpg

[Cris-Palomino]

Hi, Shany.

My friend, Will Kramer, did a nice hair tutorial.

http://www.earthcurves.com/tutorials/hair_tute_intro.htm

Cris

[Shanytc]

Thanks Chris!
You're always giving great tips! Thanks again!.
I'll read it through out and do some testing before doing the Hair on my painting.

[Shanytc]

Chris,
Many thanks for the tutorials,
I'v done a small test to see if I can really create hair (Using the tips at the tutorials) - wow for first time (and without drawing with a hair refference) I must say that it looks cool.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6986/hairzr9.jpg

[Cris-Palomino]

Cool, Shany, I look forward to seeing what you do...I'll also see if I can post some brushes you can try later, too.

Cris

[Shanytc]

Chris, That would be awsome, thank you.

I'v got here Painter IX also, so I might check it out and do some tests there as well (Though I noticed that Painter is Memory hungry - it sometimes goes weird :) )

[benkashmir]

hey shani, you still have some spots on the nose, i drew you the lines,
when you pick 'em up with the eyedropper it shows that the color is actually brown, but contrasting to the other color its turning up greeny..

paint her hair! i'm anxius :)

[Shanytc]

hey benkashmir thanks,
yeah Chris also pointed out those areas,
but argh, I can't see green! ;) hehe, but since the areas are selected I can try re-eye drop from my refferece but still will be confusing.

[yargola]

hi shany, its looks great, as for the hair here is a link to a hair tutorial done by enayla :

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259468&highlight=hair+tutorial

i think this tutorial will work better for the kind of hair that you are going for, wil give it more volume(hope you could follow it with your color-blindness)

cheers and keep up the great work :thumbsup:

[Shanytc]

Hey guys/girls,

Thanks for the Tutorial yargola, it gives a really nice Tips, thought I kinda liked Chris' Tutorial more as it was more abstract than technical, but I am using both techniques to come up with the best result I can.

Now, about the Green spots, I will leave them to the last, they don't bother me at this moment (hehe since I can't see them anyway) and start focusing on the Hair.

At the beginning of the Hair I was kind of skeptic, I followed both Tutorials, and none of them came up with the result I wanted, acutally it was too awfule, so I have started all over until I came with the best "Basis" coloring; Than later on I created 2 new defined Brushes that matches the position of the Hair (Kind of going up to the back) and began with the Hair's Strands..etc.

I guess there is always much better ways, (As I see from the Tutorials) but that will come in Time.

Here is the latest Progress, with basic spots and the forming Hair.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9118/wipmx5.jpg

[Shanytc]

Ok, a much better update,
shows how the Hair forms more smoothly.

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/4154/wipsv6.jpg

[Shanytc]

Ok,
The end of the weekend is here and another update to post,
Hope you guys like the Hair so far (Hopefully no color problems in it).
So far, as with dealing with painting Hair, I must say that it is alot of work, but, I find it very challenging to do and I think it goes pretty well.

so, enjoy.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4083/wipgk8.jpg

[Cris-Palomino]

Shany,

That hair is just really coming to life there. Bravo! I look forward to seeing you continue.

Cris

[Shanytc]

Hey Cris,

Thank you very much.
It's not a easy process indeed. There is a long way to go and if I had more time I would finish it
much faster (Work). But its a great learning process and I enjoy getting tips from you guys.

[Shanytc]

No update yet.
But I was curious lately about how you guys sees colors that I don't, I mean, the Green parts that I couldn't see, that you see clearly. Sure it's not a big deal indeed, but I wanted to know how can I actually find it out as well. So I Google'd around and found a Website (http://vischeck.com/) that transformes your Images the way Color Blinds sees.
Behold the folowing Pictures:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9064/colorblindsi6.jpg

I can see the Heavy (Green) spot on the Nose (That Chris has told me about) that is realy a different Color than the one that is on the upper nose, I see it in the most down and to the right picture.
Interessting.

Shany.

[Cris-Palomino]

http://www.elektralusion.com/download/ColorBands.jpg

Part of the problem is that all the colors fall in the realm of some shade of brown. Greeny-brown to orangy-brown. On the RGB scale they all have a diagonal profile with slight variations. Mostly red, some green, less blue. The slight variances push it toward green or orange. It's not difficult to nudge an orange to the green range. It takes very little, actually.

So the color blindness definitely would make this difficult, I can see.

You're really doing an amazing job, considering. Sometimes it will just take someone who can see the wider gamut to point things out.

Keep it up, Shany. It's so interesting to watch your process, especially with the circumstances...certainly not just because of them, though...it's turning into a nice piece.

Cris

[Shanytc]

Thanks Chris,
From the Colors scale that you gave, the bottom Colors almost blends when I watch them.
And as for the Painting, yeah I think it goes to the right direction as well ;)

Once again thanks, and soon new updates.

[Shanytc]

Hey all,

A quick update to the hair, soon I will start forming up the right side so it will all become much more complete, Here is the latest progress:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7830/10md8.jpg

[Vold]

I love the way you did the hair. Keep it up man!

[Shanytc]

More Updates,

This time, a bit more Hair and Neck Color.
As well I'v started blending some parts, which makes the Girl's skin tone more clean rather than to use heavy Brush strokes.
Blending is done using Opacity levels (Minimum touches with the Blur tool).

Enjoy,

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9365/wipqd8.jpg

[Lman]

Keep going as this is a lovely Image.

[Shanytc]

Hey lman,
thanks! I will! I actually finished 2 months of hard core 3D learning, so I finally finished the project I was working on. And now I am going back to this image ;)
And also Iv done other drawings, so I have them queue for the next paintings :)

Time to Rock!

[Shanytc]

After 2 months of 3d learning I finally returned to the source ^^
an update on the Hair.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4388/wiptp9.jpg

[Shanytc]

Sorrrrrry for not posting any new stuff!
I now finished seting up my animation Room/Studio,
and everything is in place for massive photoshop/animation ^^
so lets bring on an update:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7803/wip13ap4.jpg

[Shanytc]

Long time no post,
Sorry... but, now we have a majour update, I started paiting the body, so things starts to look better :)
hope you like it!
I hope the colors are ok? (note: I'm color blind)

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8355/metartpq1.jpg

[Angrymikko]

Wow this whole thread has been so amazing to read for me. I think you are an inspiration to all other colour-blind people out there. The painting looks really realistic except for that green spot on the nose that's still there. The hair looks especially astounding.:eek:

[Shanytc]

Hey, thanks!
actually it seems like this whole thread is becoming a tutorial for painting as well heheh,
mm about the green spot, I don't see it , though members here showed me where it is,
I'll look at it later on, first to finish the painting :D

[Shanytc]

Sorry for not doing any updates, I had my hads full all over,
I'll pick this project up soon ^^
Sorry for keeping you waiting!

[kaladen]

Hello,
you've done a good job thus far, in fact you're not colorblind as it seems.
maybe you should rework the shapes because the only problem is there.
I know we could admit that she has big eyes but let's say you want her to be attractive (I guess)

So first the eyes are too big, the forehead is too big too, the ear and face junction is not right. You need to soften the shadows and lights cause it makes your shapes not clear or not visible at least (i'm talking about places where the brightness is set to white, I like the effect too but it's a bit disturbing here) and take care not to exagerate too much the face lines shapes. (cause it will result to a caricatural look) focus on the essential points and shapes.

I know it's hard to hear all that but it's a wip so, I did this quick over paint (as it always helps, including me, cause I need it to sometimes)

Keep up, cause you did already the biggest part !

greetings

http://www.gorkovan.be/cgtalk/wip/metartover.jpg

[Shanytc]

hehehehe that's a cool revision hehehe ! cool kaladen!

naa, I'm a color blind, i have my 6 color pallete sampled when i first worked on it, hench i never change it since then.

- The forhead: yes i know its too big, no mistaken there.
- The eyes, well, the eyes actually are like that, they may look big because of the shadow areas..etc
- The ear, it seems that in the paiting i forgot to paint the ear piece, so hehe i just covered it with hair insted.

- about the blending part, well, actually that's the main part I'm not strong at, doing the softening color blend, usually i just blend with the oldest technique: use 20% brush opacity, sample & paint and over and over, i don't know other good techniques yet.

- the face lines might be a softer color, i'll have to check it to see how it looks.

it's ok, i like comments, its the breakfest of champions! keep'em comming.
thanks for the paint over, it looks cool to see other style / face :D

[CyborgJA]

The palette is perfect. Well kaladen described another 'type' of girl...sexy and hot while your one goes more to "fresh and happy". I love both :)
I can suggest you to check the general volumes of the face. Check as example her forehead (especially the left half) and the basic bone structure

You did a great job with hair !

[Shanytc]

yeah cool thank guys! I know about the anatomic problems, I see it perfectly.
currently I'll focus more o nthe paiting technique and later on will probabky fix some stuff :)

[Shanytc]

Whaa, I Haven't been posting updates for a long time, I dunno why but I just didn't want to draw/paint.. hard to describe, I guess I was full with other stuff! (Shame on me!)

Finally I picked my wacom up and continues painting (with my lovely color-blind eyes) :)

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6913/15vm7.jpg

[Shanytc]

Alright! Another update, coveing the entire body and hair,
Only stuff left to do is more color merging/blending, and fixes (I might fix the forehead/eyes as some people here wanna see it fixed :) )

here it is:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6346/16hs2.jpg

[ajinak]

Wow, I'm just speechless.. love the light and her expression.. and also this bigger forehead and big eyes, because it makes her look interesting.. I'll give you 5 stars as soon as this picture is in the showcase gallery :)

well, now I see that she somehow reminds me of the ex-girlfriend of my boyfriend - god thanks she's not readhead and he doesn't visit these pages :cool:

[Shanytc]

Thanks ajinak :) I appriciate your reply! glad you liked it :)

[exStatic1]

Cool painting Shan, especially for someone who is colorblind! The only crit I have is the jawline seems to be a bit off, it looks like it goes a little too far back, up near the ear. Keep up the good work!

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