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Spankenstein
01-24-2003, 01:27 AM
Oh hope this isnt SUPER REDUNDANT, but I am interested in getting the following information from you people, Lightwave users specifically... I am rebuilding my system this week after a LONG period of stagnation, and just wanted some more info...

1) the basic specs of your hardware, CPU/RAM/Video, etc.
2) How "usable" you would rate the system. benchmarks really aren't all that worthwhile to me, as an indicator of actual workflow. Just gimme a number 1-10, 1 being 'I can't get anything done' and 10 being 'my machine is no hindrance.' I am not so concerned with rendertimes here as I am just general modeling and manipulation.

Here's me:

p3-700 (sob)
512MB pc133 RAM
GeForce 2Ti 64MB
WinXP Pro SP1
Lightwave 7.5
Usability: about 5. Fast enough to maybe get some things done, but slow enough to make you not wanna.

(edited to add OS and Lightwave version)

wapangy
01-24-2003, 01:34 AM
PowerMac G4 400 Mhz
2048 Mb RAM
Radeon 32 Mb DDR
440 Gb of Hard Drives
Mac OS X 10.2.3

Although rendering is slow, acually creating stuff has always been fine, plenty speed for that, and absolutly no probs running LightWave 7.5 (crashing...)

So... id give it an 8 or so

Irie
01-24-2003, 02:58 AM
G4 400mhz
480 SDRAM
ATI Rage 128 pro (ugh!)
60 gigs
OSX 10.2.3
LW 7.5/Photoshop After FX etc.
usability... erm... 6 for 3d, 10 for 2d. I love it, wont get rid of it


and a

p4 2ghz
512 DDR
80 gig
GeForce 3 64
21 inch monito
Windoze XP
LW 7.5 etc
Usability... this is my 3d hog. yeah, i give it a 9, deduct one point for running Windoze.

gruvsyco
01-24-2003, 03:11 AM
P4 2ghz
768MB RAM
ATI 9000 Pro 1280MB
100GB hd
Dual 19" monitors
Wacom Intuos 9x12

Win2K, LW7.5, Photoshop, Illustrator, Freehand, Director, Flash.

For all the more I actually use the software I have, I'd give it an 8. It'd be a 10 if I could successfull use the dual monitor setup.

twidup
01-24-2003, 03:48 AM
main system
p4 2.4 Ghz
1 gb ddr 400 ram
40 gb primary drive
120 gb secondary drive
geforce 4 4600i dual dvi outs to 2 18" Sony LCDs
DV-500+ for editing and output.
give this one an 8, nice and fast

slave 1
AMD 1600+ xp
1 gb ddr 266 ram
40 gb drive
geforce 2 mx 400
this one gets a 7, still speedy, but slow on radiocity

building a new system
p4 3.06
1 gb ddr 400 ram
200 gb drive
dvd-r drive
geforce 4 4600
....will let you know in about 3 weeks

MrWyatt
01-24-2003, 09:48 AM
my system now

dual P3 1GHz
384 MB pc100 sdram
geforce 4 ti 4200 64MB
two monitors
win 2k sp3
usability I would give it an 6 ( my new system in mind)

NEW SYSTEM ( in about two weeks)

P4 3,06 GHz
1,5 GB DDR ram
320GB HDD
Geforce 4 ti 4600 128 MB (AGP)
Geforce 4 ti 4200 64 MB (PCI)
three monitors ( DROOOOOL)
win 2k or xp ( donīt know at this moment)

usability will be up to 9 i hope.

:drool:

BeeVee
01-24-2003, 09:53 AM
Hey! I thought you had no money after buying LightWave! You've already got a much better machine than I do and I work for NewTek! :)

B

MrWyatt
01-24-2003, 09:58 AM
just working right now on a job that pays enough to get myself a new mashine. :rolleyes:

Rincewind.
01-24-2003, 10:13 AM
3 monitors?? I've only just got enough desk space for 1. That's a sweet sounding system you're getting.

Eugeny
01-24-2003, 10:41 AM
At work
Dual P III 800
1024 Mb NVRAM (don't ask me that is this but it's fast)
14 Gb hard drive
Oxygen GVX1
19" monitor
usability - 8

At home
Dual P III 1000
512 Mb 133 SDRAM
27 Gb hard drive
Oxygen GVX1
19" monitor
usability - 6 - i can't play most of the games with this card, but for LW is 7 points.

Aquaman
01-24-2003, 11:18 AM
2.53GHz Pentium 4
1GB Corsair Cas2 DDR 400
120GB Western Digital IDE drive
18GB Seagate Cheetah SCSI
36GB Quantum Atlas 10K2 SCSI
Geforce 4 ti 4600 128 MB running dual monitors. 19" professional Viewsonic CRT and a 17" Viewsonic LCD
Wacom Intuos2 6x9
I give this system about an 8. Pretty fast (never can be fast enough though);) It's quite a bit faster rendering Hypervoxels and Radiosity than my previouse Athlon XP 2000.

Rincewind.
01-24-2003, 11:18 AM
My system is:

P2 1.8Ghz
512Meg RDRAM
120Gig HD
GForce3 64M
Windows 2K SP2
Lightwave 7.3
Usablility - 8.

This system works great for me, but i'm not doing anything to complex at the moment.

anieves
01-24-2003, 12:15 PM
my current sustem:

PowerMac G4 dual 800
1.2 GB RAM
40 GB HD (getting an 120 gb soon)
Nvidia GeForce 4ti 128 AGP
Mac OS X 10.2.3

I give my machine a 8.5. Main reason is OSX. productivity has gone up ever since I upgraded to X (rock solid system. I'm able to do everything that I have to in this machine from 3d to video to web to print. Has crashed once in a year and a half running 10.1 back then. Rendertimes is no longer an issue for me, I just render overnight or when not at my home studio or simpley send to a renderfarm.

I would give it a score of 9 if Protools 6 was out.;)

red_oddity
01-24-2003, 12:30 PM
Hmmm..at work

either:
Pentium3-733 (slow)
512Mb mem (waaaaay too little)
Matrox G450 (pfff, 3d ,yeah right, notepad maybe.)
60GB HD
Win2K

or:
dual G4-800 (sounds great, is crap really)
768MB main mem (barely enough on OS-X and sloooooooowwww)
Geforce2 mx ('kay, even slower than my TNT-2 Ultra of my old pc)
60GB HD
OS-X/OS-9 dual boot


At home:

Athlon XP1900+
1.5BG mem (enough for freelance projects)
GeForce4 Ti4600 (my minimum requirement)
80GB system HD
360GB 133Mhz RAID (this way, you don't have to dump projects every day or so to clear space)
Win2K

As you can see at my job people don't give a rats arse about 3D (even though they expect me to deliver Finsher movie like renders), most designers here have grown fond of Macintosh computers and don't even dare to touch a PC, and probably never have, but say it is crap none the less, thus refuse to buy a descent workstation for me....ahwell...

---

'Kay, the rating:

P3 with Matrox card (any Matrox for that matter) : 5 (bad, bad, bad, it was a pathetic system when they bough it new (my cheap gaming PC at home ran two times faster than this poor excuse of a workstation)

G4 with Geforce2 : 3 (it needs atleast 1.5GB mem, and Macs can't handle large amount of memory due to a software/hardware bug)
Not to mention, OpenGL is crap, slow and buggy. Videocard driver...well, let's just say Apple never heard of those (they are hopelessly bad and can't even push half the power of what they would push on PC)

Athlon XP1900+ with Ti4600 : 8 the bare minimum (and in my opinion a P4-2.4Ghz is the minimum equivelant of the 1900+)
(Nice workstation, handles large scenes great, is fast and rock f-ing solid (hasn't crashed more than 5 times last 6 months)

----

Go for a descent videocard (nvidia pops to mind, better drivers, better support overall and better support towards the 3D community), though an Ati Radeon 9500 pro might be the minimum should you want to go with one of those. (Forget Matrox, they should get their heads out of their arses or just stop making videocards)

Memory, can't have enough of it, see what your mobo supports and cram it to the nook.

HD, buy a large system HD and go for a very large storage (either 2 other HDs or a striped RAID)

(and don't forget a descent backup system (burning CDs are no backup means (not when projects become more than 10Gigs))

jjburton
01-24-2003, 12:33 PM
Primary
P4 2.4ghz
1 gig DDR 2700
80 gig special edition Western Digital with 8 meg cache
Windows XP Pro
ATI FireGL8800 (Frustrating as crap to find which drivers to use, but now, smooth as silk)
Lightwave 7.5
2D- 9.9, LW- 8.5 (still not sure if I've knocked out all the hard lock OpenGL driver issues which only happen in Layout for some reason)

Secondary
Dual P3- 800mhz's
Geforce 2GTS
1 gig SDRAM 133mhz
20 gig system drive
2 30 gigs set up in a striped array
Windows XP Pro
Lightnet-10 (it's a beast for rendering), other than that, it's my server and music/video/backup storage

...oh, and a recent initiate to the dual monitor club and I love it:applause:

New
01-24-2003, 01:07 PM
Mine :

Athlon xp 1700+ refreshed by water (no noise ;D)
asus a7v333 motherboard
512 ddr ram
geforce 2 ti 64 ddr
19 inches monitor

Works perfect with Lightwave. Moves fine about 800.000 polys in Layout.

Jaspar
01-24-2003, 02:33 PM
Athlon 1800 XP
MSI KT3 Ultra MB
512MB 2100 DDR
GeForce original
19" IIyama 451pro
Windows 2K
LW 6.5

Anyone spot the weak-point in my system? (and NO, I wasn't talking about windoze :rolleyes: )

Well at least it isn't an MX s'pose. Was going to get a 4600, then decided to wait for FX. Think I'll make do 'till the summer, when LW8 comes out. Build a new P4 machine, get a second monitor, use the old machine as a linux render-monkey.

I'd give my current system a 6, perfectly adequate.

Doesn't like to move medium/high smooth-shaded polys in the viewports, could do with another processor for test-renders, and dual-screen would be nice, so the panels don't get in the way of things like selection stats (or everything else when not minimized).

EvilE
01-24-2003, 04:01 PM
Athlon XP 2100
1 Gig SD-Ram
Softquadroed GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64 mb
19" and 17" monitor

Ill give it an 8

EE

Thalaxis
01-24-2003, 05:32 PM
Athlon XP 2000+ (1.67 GHz)
512 MB DDR
ATI Radeon 8500/128 MB
XP Home

It took several driver iterations before LightWave became stable.

Usability: 8 -- it rocks until it starts paging (definitely needs more memory)

3DDave
01-24-2003, 05:43 PM
P4 2.8Ghz
1GB DDR 333
Gigabyte MB
Quadro4 750
80GB Raid 1 Render Drive Setup
36 and 18 GB SCSI Compositing drives
DPS Velocity 8.1 w 120GB Drive
DF Fusion 4.1

Dave

Spankenstein
01-24-2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by red_oddity
OpenGL is crap, slow and buggy.

hahaaaahahhaahhaaaaa... Right. Would you prefer some DirectX?

ANYWAY.

I am surprised how much Mac love there is. I got to play with LW on one of the new boxes on one of the 23" flat panels. Holy GOD was that ever awesome. I am considering switching to the Mac platform once I get together some $$$, because I vastly prefer the OS to Windows, etc. I do NOT want to start a flamewar here, I am just saying that I am really surprised at how many Mac LWers there are out there. I wouldn't have thought it was more than 5-10 percent.

leigh
01-24-2003, 06:50 PM
Main computer:

P4 1.7Ghz
1Gig RAM
Gigabyte P4 Titan MB
ATI Maya Rage Pro 32Mb (I'm going to upgrade this as soon as I have cash)
17" Compaq S700 monitor
Windows 2000 Professional
LightWave 7.5

Secondary computer (as an extra rendering node)

PIII 550Mhz Compaq Insignia
312 Mb RAM
ATI All-In Wonder Radeon 32Mb DDR
Windows 98

Eugeny
01-24-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Spankenstein
hahaaaahahhaahhaaaaa... Right. Would you prefer some DirectX?

ANYWAY.

I am surprised how much Mac love there is. I got to play with LW on one of the new boxes on one of the 23" flat panels. Holy GOD was that ever awesome. I am considering switching to the Mac platform once I get together some $$$, because I vastly prefer the OS to Windows, etc. I do NOT want to start a flamewar here, I am just saying that I am really surprised at how many Mac LWers there are out there. I wouldn't have thought it was more than 5-10 percent.
:beer: :thumbsup:

Cararan
01-24-2003, 07:23 PM
I have a couple of computers to work with my Lightwave Oh yeah..



P4 2.53 GHz ( Will be getting a 3.0GHz when the price drops)
2GB RDRAM
2x 80GB Hard Drive SE
Quadro 4 900 XGL
21" Compaq Trinitron
Windows 2000 ( Don't trust XP yet )
Lightwave 7.5
Usability = 7.34

Dual P3 1.2Ghz (Powerleap gotta love them)
2GB RDRAM
2x 18GB 10k SCSI Hard Drive
Wildcat III 6110
2x 19" LCD Monitor
Windows 2000 (Still don't trust XP)
3D Studio Max 4.2
Usability = 9.767
Also a Renderfarm for Lightwave

I use these as render farms
P4 2.0 Ghz
1.5GB Pc133 SDRAM (That extra 512 will be in soon)
2x 120GB Hard Drive
Usability = 5.34

P4 1.5 Ghz
512GB pc133 SDRAM (Yeah this one slows me down)
2x 120GB Hard Drive
Usability = 3.77

And my internet computer sucks but as long as it connects to the internet im ok.

P3 1Ghz
512 RDram
40 GB Hard Drive
Geforce 3 TI-500
15" Compaq Monitor ( Yes i know it very small )
Usability = 2.11

All these computers are custom built by me. Lightwave runs great on the first one. And renders pretty decent on the Dual Processor.

minus
01-24-2003, 08:36 PM
Main:
Dual AMD 1900's OC'd to 2000.
512MB DDR Ram.
64MB Geforce 3 (original)

Usability = 9

Alt: (Laptop)
P 1.7Ghz Mobile Proc
512 MB DDR
32 MB Geforce 440 to-go.

Usability = 7

Really... I was supprised both how well my laptop runs lightwave... and after using lightwave on my laptop... I'm also supprised how well my desktop runs lightwave.. :p

Philours
01-24-2003, 09:16 PM
Main :
Dual Athlon 1800+ overclocked to 2100 (stable)
on Asus A7M266-D
1GB DDR 266 Ram
GeForce4 ti 4600 (128MB)
80 GB HDD
XP pro (SP1)
22" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro Monitor (1600*1200@85hz).
Lightwave 7.5
Usability : 9 (excellent in real time viewing as in rendering)

Secondary :
Dual Powermac G4 867
1GB DDR 266 Ram
GeForce4 MX (64MB)
60 GB HDD
OSX 10.2.3
22" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro Monitor (1600*1200@85hz).
Lightwave 7.5
Usability : 7 (good in real time viewing, average in rendering but so nice to use for 2D works and... OSX ;))

Third (laptop):
2.2 Ghz Mobile P4
1GB DDR
Ati Radeon Mobility
40 GB HDD
XP home (SP1)
14" TFT (1024*768)
Usability : 5 (The Radeon Mobility is really too slow to work with but this one is a good rendering node).

Fourth :
1.2 Ghz Duron
640 MB SDRAM (pc133)
GeForce 2 MX 400 (32MB)
60 GB HDD
XP Pro (SP1)
22" Iiyama monitor (1600*1200@85hz but really not as good as the mitsubishi)
Usability : 3 (to check my e-mails ;), may be useful as an aditional rendering node).

Meshbuilder
01-24-2003, 11:23 PM
And hereīs another Mac user ;

G4 400 Mhz
640 MB Ram
Ati 128 pro (16 MB) & Ati radeon (32 MB)
20 + 80 GB HD
OSX 10.2.3

Usability : 6, I donīt know?.. I like it.. Have no problems at all with it.. I would like a faster computer to render animations..

CourtJester
01-25-2003, 08:22 AM
Athlon MP 1.53GHz dually ( I don't go for this "1800+" crap)
1GB RAM PC2100 ECC Reg. (TYAN Tiger MPX S2466)
GeForce 3 64MB DDR
280 GB storage (120GB RAID + single 120GB WD, 40GB system)
Windoze 2000 (I don't trust XP either)
19in Viewsonic 1280x960 usual display
Useability: 8.5 (video card upgrade might be a big plus)

I'd do a multimonitor, gawd I could use the screenspace, but the physical setup I have now could not accomodate it unless they were LCD's.

Backup server and Slave 1 system:
Athlon 1.4GHz
768MB RAM PC2100 DDR
ATI Rage pro
120GB storage

Does its job. 7 were it my main system, 9 for what it does + heats my room up... when I've got a multi-CPU render happening, I don't need to run the heater at all in here...

dark_lotus
01-25-2003, 12:50 PM
800 P3
256 MG Ram
20GB HDD
14" TFT 1024x768
8MG ATI RAGE RRO
Lightwave Student Version (7.5)

Usability: 1

Easily the WORST system here!!

anieves
01-25-2003, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by red_oddity

-snip-
or:
dual G4-800 (sounds great, is crap really)
768MB main mem (barely enough on OS-X and sloooooooowwww)
Geforce2 mx ('kay, even slower than my TNT-2 Ultra of my old pc)
60GB HD
OS-X/OS-9 dual boot
-snip-


The 2mx is slow for LW work. I switch to the 4Ti... no problems and is pretty darn fast.
I am surprised that you can "barely" run OS X in that machine.

Hell I have a 366G3 MHz iBook(toilet seat one) with 320 RAM, yes 320 megs with OSX 10.1.3 and I can run LW and OSX fine. yes, LW redraws are very slow but not to the point of unusable.

Maybe you have bad RAM or still running 10.0 or is extremeley fragmented.

policarpo
01-25-2003, 11:43 PM
i really really really need a new machine. :annoyed:

P3 450
916mb RAM
40GB HD
19" Viewsonic Monitor
GeForce 3 Ti 200 64mb
LW 7.5
Win2k

i think i have the worse system here. :beer:

twidup
01-26-2003, 01:04 AM
Policarpo,

I only recently upgraded from a dual p2 400 with 512 ram and an AMD k6-2 300 with 128 ram..only 16 gb of HDD space between the two of them, so dont feel too bad

pigwater
01-26-2003, 01:13 AM
here's another sucky one

PIII 500 Mhz
256 ram
no card worth mentioning, no AGP
10 GB HD
wacom 9x12
usability::thumbsdow

it's a loaner.. between systems..fried last ones and haven't built yet

Triple G
01-26-2003, 02:30 AM
Here's yet another Mac guy:

G4 1GHz (Sonnet Encore/ST processor upgrade)
1024MB PC100 RAM
Radeon 8500 64MB AGP
2x18GB Ultra 160 SCSI Hard Drives
1x120GB Ext. Firewire HD
OSX 10.2.3
Lightwave 7.5

Usability: Honestly, I'd give it probably somewhere between a 7 and an 8. Interface speed is quite good....I rarely have to wait for redraws. The only thing that I'd like is another processor so that rendering would go a little faster, but other than that, I really have no problems with LW on this system whatsoever. Stable as hell....I can count on one hand the number of times LW has crashed on me since I got OSX.

Philours
01-26-2003, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by policarpo
i really really really need a new machine. :annoyed:

P3 450
916mb RAM
40GB HD
19" Viewsonic Monitor
GeForce 3 Ti 200 64mb
LW 7.5
Win2k

i think i have the worse system here. :beer:
Hey, as long as you have such a talent, hardware is not such a problem. :thumbsup:

Primus
01-26-2003, 07:30 AM
Holy Kahuna Policarpo!

It's amazing that you can even work on 450Mhz, holy crap, rendering must make you sweat blood and tears!

I just want to upgrade my pathetic GeForce 2 MX 400. Anything over 7,000 subpatches and bam, no interactivity!

How about you guys? What's the limit for your respective vid cards? I was thinking of grabbing a cheap Radeon 7500 or a GeForce Ti 3, will it allow me to work comfortably with at least 20,000 subpatches?

wozzyke
01-26-2003, 08:08 AM
Hi primus, I have the same problem also around the 7000subpatches. But my problem is I only have a

AMD 1600+ portable
512meg RAM
S3 portable videocard with 32meg
40gig HD

So my problem is the videocard, but I cant upgrade. But I'm looking foreward to the end of the schoolyear, when I will graduate and go to work so I can buy me a really fast desktop. And honestly it's gonna cast a lot, I'm a freak when it comes to performance. Now I will keep working on my portable, and learning living with the "slow" speed.

wozz

schmu_20mol
01-26-2003, 12:24 PM
home:

Athlon TB 1400 (yeah i don't need no heater)
256 mb SDRAM
GeForce 2 GTS 32mb DDR
30 GB HDD
19" Bellagio

mobile:

P4 2,1 GHz
256 mb DDR
SiS650 (shared memory graphics at 64mb)
30GB HDD
14" display


well with such a setup you're forced to work 'economical' on your projects...well i just usually blend out some parts if it's slowing down ;)

red_oddity
01-27-2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by anieves
The 2mx is slow for LW work. I switch to the 4Ti... no problems and is pretty darn fast.
I am surprised that you can "barely" run OS X in that machine.

Hell I have a 366G3 MHz iBook(toilet seat one) with 320 RAM, yes 320 megs with OSX 10.1.3 and I can run LW and OSX fine. yes, LW redraws are very slow but not to the point of unusable.

Maybe you have bad RAM or still running 10.0 or is extremeley fragmented.

Well, those compus ain't mine but from my work (i would never buy a Mac, no offence meant, unless you would put a gun to my head and give me the money to buy it:surprised

And, well, try to get money of your boss for something only a 3d nerd would use (most Mac users here a content with th draggin' slow AFX interfaces and do most work in OS-9 still (most plugins still have not been ported))
And why does Apple have the filthy guts to ask 570,- euros' for a videocard that costs no more than 280,- euros for the PC (you can't tell me that it is the stupid Apple monitor connector, and as for money for better drivers, please, drivers have never been there strong point)

As for being able to work on it, that's not enough in a studio where you have to create car stands in a day and make a dozen variations of it the next with someone next to you telling what and where he wants the stuff in that stand, i need speed and stability, lot's of it (something the Mac, atleast the three i work on, do not offer enough in the 3d field)

But apart from that, i still work on it, eventhough my whining and bitching (can you blame me?)

ages
01-27-2003, 11:04 AM
Exactly what he said but swap macs for pc's...


G3 400Mhz B/W:love:
640 SD ram
ATI 128 (yes I know...)
ATA-33 40 GIG
Wacom
OSX Jaguar
LW 7.5
"17 Trinitron

Usabilty 2D - 7.5 (5.5 when I was in os9 before)
Rendering - 5.5

Just usable to get started, but I've outgrown it now. Funny how I see ppl complain about DP systems I could only dream of their speeds..
Computer only become usuable when I went to OSX, then I saw stability and no crashes.
Next OSX update is said to have drivers for Quadro series as well as ATI fire series.
Guys you need to remember OSX is still new, give it time and it will mature.
I have seen only pluses going to osx, on the other hand at work they went back to win2k from XP cause XP was a ram hog and also gave alot of buggy problems with input devises and appz from adobe and 3dmax.
(work is like over 5000 comps)


Question - When I upgrade how important would it be to install Scsii UW 320 HD's?

Does screen redraws depend on Video card ram?

cuse
01-27-2003, 11:12 AM
hey.

jumped on this one a little late.

work-
Dual 1.25Gb G4
1.25Gb RAM
x2 120Gb HD
x2 23" (HD) studio displays
usability now stands high, 9ish i guess, maybe better i dunno.

home-
dual 500 G4
1.25Gb RAM
x2 19" Sony displays
120Gb RAM
usability about 7-8 i think, maybe, hmmm

also @home-
450G4 cube
1.25Gb RAM
120Gb HD
17" studio display
usability sucks at about 7 on this one, but i dont use it often anymore.


nice to hear what systems people are running, my friend nick must have the best system alive but ill have to get the spec of him :scream: scary hehe


cuse
:surprised

anieves
01-27-2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by red_oddity
Well, those compus ain't mine but from my work (i would never buy a Mac, no offence meant, unless you would put a gun to my head and give me the money to buy it:surprised

And, well, try to get money of your boss for something only a 3d nerd would use (most Mac users here a content with th draggin' slow AFX interfaces and do most work in OS-9 still (most plugins still have not been ported))
And why does Apple have the filthy guts to ask 570,- euros' for a videocard that costs no more than 280,- euros for the PC (you can't tell me that it is the stupid Apple monitor connector, and as for money for better drivers, please, drivers have never been there strong point)

As for being able to work on it, that's not enough in a studio where you have to create car stands in a day and make a dozen variations of it the next with someone next to you telling what and where he wants the stuff in that stand, i need speed and stability, lot's of it (something the Mac, atleast the three i work on, do not offer enough in the 3d field)

But apart from that, i still work on it, eventhough my whining and bitching (can you blame me?)

Well, I can not blame you, but you are judgeing the whole platform from 1 bad compu you have. I'm in the States and I'm not really sure how much 570 euros is but I paid 270 US for my Ti.:shrug:

Anyway, I'm with you, you are using what works for you. I'm just very skeptical that you can "bareley" run OSX on a dual 800 with more that 500 RAM when I can run it on a single 366 G3 ibook. That to me sounds fishy and signs that there must be something wrong on that system. After reading your reply it just sounds like you hate Macs and Apple no matter what or how good they really are. I didn't mean to offend you dude.

red_oddity
01-27-2003, 12:56 PM
Well, strange thing is, it's actually all three (3) dual-G4s that all show different strange behaviour (could also be that LW has a poor conversion for Mac (don't flame me), it shows reallt weird stuff, stuff i've never seen in the years i work with LW on the PC)
But it's no secret that all the Mac we have here have acted strange ever since we got them (my suspision is that Apple Europe uses B-rate parts that you wouldn't even dare to plug into a Wallmart PC)

As for what a euro is worth, right now that would be about 1,11 US dollars. Pretty much said, we're being f***ed by Apple here in Europe.

LW works on the Mac, don't get me wrong, but not well enough compared how it does on a cheaper PC.

cuse
01-27-2003, 12:58 PM
i only just read that... i think you should have the mac checked up, ive never had problems like that even testing on my brothers g4 laptop, thats 450,mhz with either 512 or 256 RAM.

OSX is incredibly stable, maybe one of your memory sticks is faulty, you could try running off just one at a time to test them, not got much time now to read all there but let us know...


oh and please lets not make this an arguement over whether people think macs are better or worse than other computers, each to his own and all that.





cuse
:D

red_oddity
01-27-2003, 01:08 PM
Nothing bad intended, i was just wandering why 3 of the same compus have strange behaviour (could be we just have a broken/bad batch or series), hence the pretty low score, it's just my experience so far, but maybe with a better videocard things might work a lot better.

BeeVee
01-27-2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by anieves
Well, I can not blame you, but you are judgeing the whole platform from 1 bad compu you have. I'm in the States and I'm not really sure how much 570 euros is but I paid 270 US for my Ti.:shrug:

You can pretty much state that a Euro is the same as a dollar (actually a Euro is worth a tiny bit more than a dollar now).

B

anieves
01-27-2003, 02:07 PM
and it seems like 10.3 is going to have full suport for Nvidia Quadro and ATI Fire GL...

taken from think secret.com (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/macosx1024.html)

As for video cards, Apple is planning to support several workstation-quality graphics cards in 10.3, that weren't previously supported, including full support for NVidia Quadro 980, 900, and 750XGL. Support will also be added for ATI's top-end Fire GL series.

cuse
01-27-2003, 02:37 PM
oh i forgot...


iMac fishtank (http://store6.yimg.com/I/redlightrunner_1721_21417633)
3 goldfish
smelly fishfood

usability 0






cuse

ages
01-27-2003, 02:37 PM
In all my 15 years computing I have never seen such a a vast maturation of an os like OSX has become, give it time and it will surely be the OS for Hollywood. Amiga was another great os.

red_oddity
01-27-2003, 03:38 PM
Yeah, well let's hope it doesn't end the same way...


btw, is it maybe possible to just use a PC GeForce4 card? (i mean, it is AGP and basically the same hardware with exception of the Apple monitor output (which we don' t use anyway), and as for drivers, there are Ti4600 drivers in OS-X)
So, has anyone tried this yet? (especially since the price difference is so ludicrous)

Eugeny
01-27-2003, 06:51 PM
I think yes, it was possible to flash PC G Force 2 to Mac so i think the same can be done for G Force 4 ... U just need some soft for this ...

ages
01-28-2003, 07:15 AM
Leadtek and creative Nvidia pc cards have DUAL bios so they work in macs perfectly.
ATI need flash rom'ing i think.
Newtek has countless posts on their forums from mac ppl asking for more optimisations, plug ins etc.
I see LW8 being the most mac savvy, after all 5.5 was just a port, 6 was a bug fix, 7 was on its way to usable.
7.5 in osx is seen as the non beta feel version.
If anything bad ever deserved to happen to Apple, it should have been in the os8 days when they didnt listen to us PRO users.. OSX is pure goodness, noone should hate it, after all it forced MS to give XP a newer gui, where I used to see Longhorn pics using the old win 2k gui still.

I see it as this, where pcs have the speed and cheapness, Apple has the stability and most compatiblness (as in I/O's etc).
Speed is easily achieved, compatiblness and stability isn't.


www.xlr8yourmac.com for all you mac hack needs.

red_oddity
01-28-2003, 09:19 AM
Cool, thanx...

Facial Deluxe
01-28-2003, 09:54 AM
OSX is pure goodness, noone should hate it, after all it forced MS to give XP a newer gui, where I used to see Longhorn pics using the old win 2k gui still.

Ugly interface, memory eater and a police system, that's what XP is....

wgreenlee1
01-28-2003, 10:17 AM
......well my current hardware config doesnt include a dongle....so.....I guess its sucking at the moment......

cremegg
01-28-2003, 01:13 PM
Dual 800Mhz PowerPC G4

1.5GB RAM

WD Caviar 80GB HD
IBM Deskstar 120GXP 80GB HD

nVidia GeForce 3 OEM
ATI Rage ORION

Apple Studio Display 17" (ADC)
Apple Studio Display 17" (VGA)

Wacom Intuos A3

Mac OS X 10.2.3

LightWave 7.5

Usability:

Modeler: 8

The only complaint I have when modeling is the often timely screen updates when using alot of high quality textures with a model. However once the screen has redrawn modeling is always fast and responsive. Also I'm not sure how Dual CPUs are handled with a windoze PC but Modeler and Layout will only use 1 CPU on a Mac which sometimes could be a hindrance to performance.

Layout: 8

Again the lack of threading during normal use is annoying. Screen redraws suffer possibly more than modeler but only slightly. However I work mostly with bounding box threshold on 0 and make use of Layouts ability to display diff objects at diff visual levels.

I am hoping to upgrade my GPU in the very near future to an ATI 9700Pro or if the rumours are true I may look at a FireGL and if it is possible I may consider flashing a PeeC variant of either card as was possible with the GeForce 3, although as I noted above mine was an OEM. Pitty more people didn't buy the GeForce 3 over the GeForce 2MX.

The Mac provides a very stable platform for LW I'm having trouble recalling my last LW crash and my last OS crash.

cuse
01-28-2003, 01:18 PM
cremegg, your running 1.5Gb RAM ok? i tried back when i was in classic (OS9) but the OS seemed to be the only thing that ran. No applications could support it for some reason... whats the deal with X then?


cuse

cremegg
01-28-2003, 01:34 PM
....my 1.5GB is even made up of cheap CancomUK.com RAM and I've not had any problems. I know OS 9 could never support over 1.0GB RAM as thats the way it was written. OS X is a much more mature system and scalable to handle vast amounts of RAM and CPUs.

Thalaxis
01-28-2003, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by ages

I see it as this, where pcs have the speed and cheapness, Apple has the stability and most compatiblness (as in I/O's etc).
Speed is easily achieved, compatiblness and stability isn't.


Actually, Apple has less "compatibleness", they just don't give you as many options.

Still, if you compare real machines (e.g. Boxx, Alienware, Xi) to macs instead of mom & pop machines, the compatibility and stability advantages cease to exist.

(They're not advantages unless they can't be had elsewhere, and anyone who claims that a well-built x86 rig can't be stable is fooling themselves.)

Ayreon
01-28-2003, 02:54 PM
I'm currently running Lightwave on a 1.4 Ghz Athlon Thunderbird, with 512 Mb Ram. Gigabyre Motherboard and an Ati Radeon 8500 64 Mb. System is very stable and suits my needs. No extreme slowdowns. Rendering could be faster, but I guess that's with every setup :D No crashes what so ever. Never have to restart my comp. When I first buld it, it crashed every 15 minuttes or so, but now I've got it running smoothly!!

Ayreon

cuse
01-28-2003, 04:32 PM
cremegg-actually had the OS9 apple running 1.25Gb no problems but when i switched up to X i didnt increase that at all. Time to get another stick methinks.



cuse

cremegg
01-28-2003, 04:43 PM
Well you can run OS 9 (and classic) with over 999MB but it and any applications wont use the additional RAM.

If your using OS X then your free to get as much RAM as you can afford and your Mac can take.

cuse
01-28-2003, 05:00 PM
hmmm, that is strange cause i was def running photoshop6, flashMX, illustrator and quark under 1.25Gb with OS9 but i think i upgraded when i got LW, but memory lacks so thats for the pointer anyway.

:)




cuse

artista3d
01-29-2003, 01:23 AM
Jumping in...

Athlon 850 Mhz
Asus K7V MoBo
512 Mb RAM
40 Gb HD
3DLabs GVX1
Sony 17" monitor (1280x960)
WinXP Pro SP1

Usability: 8

It is pretty stable on everything (crash rate is about 3 per year). Usability would be 9 if I didn't have some display problems (caused by overheat on either the processor, the MoBo or the gfx card). OpenGL is okay for my kind of work (mostly simple flying logos and 3D charts and geographical maps). Render IS slow, but still okay for my kind of work.

Anubis
01-29-2003, 08:10 AM
I have been having some LW instability as of late, about time for another reinstall:

Main Work Machine:
-------------------------
Dual 1.13 Ghz Athlon
Geforce 4 Ti
1GB RAM
ViewSonic Pro 21" Monitor (x2)
SCSI RAID 3x9GB 7200rpm (External)
SCSI RAID 3x37GB 10000rpm (External)
120GB WD Special Edition 7200rpm (Storage)
9GB Atlas 10000rpm (System)
80GB WD 7200rpm (External Firewire Backup)
12x12 Intuous
Pioneer DVDR
NTSC Test Monitor

heh, I wasn't going to post, but maybe I just wanted to beat down cremegg's Mac... :p

CE

cuse
01-29-2003, 09:12 AM
nice setup there anubis...




cuse

cremegg
01-29-2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Anubis
heh, I wasn't going to post, but maybe I just wanted to beat down cremegg's Mac... :p

CE [/B]

r0fl :p

Nice setup m8, lovely 00dles of storage :D .

Wish I could fit 2 21" Monitors on my Desk, but 2 17" and an A3 Intuos is a tight enough fit!

btw: sometimes to sort out LightWave stability all you need to do is clear out your current preferences and run InitConfigs in the backup configs folder. Although thats from a Mac point of view so I have no idea if the PC side of things works any differently :D .

Anubis
01-29-2003, 10:32 AM
And other times you just need to roll back to a more stable Nvidia driver. My bluescreens read Nv4disp.. heh, but they aren't frequent enough yet. One a month isnt that bad... but under XP I'm not really used to having any problems. I reinstalled before I started work on A Trip to Granny's and didn't have a problem for 5 months...

CE

uncommongrafx
01-31-2003, 06:02 PM
Just got my dual 2.6 Xeon up and running... ahhhhh
Wow, that play button on layout actually means play! :bounce: :bounce:
Synergy 3 vidcard so dual monitor.
Gig of Rambus for my VT[2].

Very different. Handles maps much quicker. 2048x1536 images flow through Aura -- now I understand why many have said it's great. Me, too, in the past but this is different.

I'm gonna disappear for a few weeks.
;)
Robert Wilson
UnCommon Grafx

greekdish
01-31-2003, 06:51 PM
CRemEgg...is this the same CremEgg I used to play with on Quake 3...or I believe first met through Carracho??? If it is...I wonder if you remember me??? I used to be HOC Supermac, or MOB John Gotti. If its you..whats up bud?? Long time no see?? Are ya still playing Quake 3?? Im heavily into Return to Castle Wolfenstein now.

==Spawn==
02-01-2003, 12:34 AM
750 AMD Duron CPU
256 MB pc133 RAM
GeForce 2 MX400 32MB
14' Samsung Mon.
20GB Maxtor HD.
50X cd-rom

Beat that!:D

it works just fine, no crash or nothing alike..so for the momment i'm happy(:eek:)), because i only use LW as a hobby

but in a couple of month i'll be "evolving" to a XP2000+ or a P4

Usability?: i guess 2...if 'am luky

...excuse me:surprised

Facial Deluxe
02-09-2003, 12:13 AM
Dual Xeon 2.6Ghz

Chewey
02-09-2003, 12:35 AM
My home unit is a vintage Intergraph TDZ2000 TDZ with a mighty Pll 400 mhz cpu with 1gig ram, 1st generation Hercules NVidia 32 meg video card, dual 40 gig scsi drives and sporting a DPS Perception PVR unit with video input card and 20 gig scsi drive. Very stable rig.

I'm considering upgrading but I'm not sure I'll notice much of an improvement.

:scream: :scream: :scream:

Some of you guys with the dual xeons should list your motherboards and your experiences so far. I'm actually getting close to buying some parts and need some feedback on what's working good for the intels.
:beer:

CTRL+X
02-09-2003, 03:58 AM
I read through the list of your peoples systems,, damn!!!

I have a dual 400 pII
Dual SCSI
Dual 21 inch ( Matrox Card)
GIG Ram

Ok you guys are laughing right??

But I still run LW 5.6 so its ok,, runs great on my machine!!

Facial Deluxe
02-22-2003, 07:30 PM
Hi Chewey :)

Here's are the specs for the Dual Xeon :
MB Asus PR-DSLW ( 6DDR, 5 PCI 64 bits + 1 32 bits, Lan 1000, SCSI 320, VGA )
2*512 mb DDram ECC
AGP GForce4 TI4600 128 Mb
etc, etc....
Under XP Pro (I asked for W2K, but they mistaked :( )

I'm just back from Holydays so I didn't tested it.
Just one render heres are the specs :
Dual PIII 1000 = 36s
Dual Amd 2000 Around 20s (as far as I remember)
Dual Xeon 2.6 = 11s

I'am very please with the Gforce4, Seems better than the wildcat I had previously (of course need to test more while on prod)
Can't say for the stability, didn't use it long enough, I'll tell you.

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