CGTalk - Vue 6 First Hints

rhodar

08-02-2006, 08:44 AM

The-G-Man: Hopefuly e-on will place a video demonstration on their site (one where 50% of the movie isn't taken up with their logo fly-in

Yeh it would be good to see something like the demonstration they have on their website for vue 5. Though the clouds do look impressive. I guess it is a teaser, drawing us in for more ;)

videodv

08-02-2006, 09:41 AM

The full feature list will be up tomorrow so hopfully we will get the full demo vid as well.

DigitalDream345

08-02-2006, 10:47 AM

http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue/vue_6/

have fun nice to see all the new features

The-G-Man

08-02-2006, 02:27 PM

http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue/vue_6/

have fun nice to see all the new features

Holy Moly! That looks gorgeous. Bet they spent the last year rendering it. :)
Can't wait to get my hands on that puppy.

Now I just have to knock off an armoured car to pay for it.

Venkman

08-02-2006, 03:55 PM

On the xStream 5 page, it says Mac OS X versions coming soon. On the xStream 6 page, it doesn't mention it at all.

Dagnabbit.

If xStream doesn't work, I won't get it.

tcobb

08-02-2006, 04:18 PM

YEAH! Xstream 6 - no OSX version planned??? I hope this is an oversight.

It doesn't make any sense, they are still developing the OSX version for Vue5?
This really bothers me.

phamarus

08-02-2006, 04:24 PM

yepp this ones seems to rock...probably the most significant update they have done.
don´t have to bother with terragen or ogo taiki i guess if this baby delivers what it promises.

My main concern is ..will it be able to produce simular photo realistic renders of the terrains in the same quality that terragen does...hope so.
another thing..what about the plant editor...nothing new in that area..could and should be more editable.
and another biggy thing...grass..grass...would have liked to see pixelfilters like sasquatch...but maybe the new hypertextures 3d can produce good grass?.

Otherwise...they seems to have thrown in more than I expected from this release..

I did ask for this....
Improvements to the open gl
perspective view
subpixeldisplacement..
subsurface scattering..
using the paint brush to paint where the eco-system are distributed..and they even took it one level higher by directy painting the instances...thumbs up.
sunbeams through clouds...godrays..excellent..

two types of volumetric clouds...cloudlayers or metaclouds...fantastic.
they really seems to match carrara and terragen, and ogo taiki...cant tell for sure thou..
whould be nice..to get info on how the rendertimes are on this feature.

cheers up for the team at e-on..they must have been working hard.I hope the program also will have a good stability and improved speed in most areas..

Phamarus

Venkman

08-02-2006, 04:32 PM

YEAH! Xstream 6 - no OSX version planned??? I hope this is an oversight.

It doesn't make any sense, they are still developing the OSX version for Vue5?
This really bothers me.

Now, I was worried too. They didn't say no OS X version planned, they just didn't list it on the site at all!

I asked a sales customer and this was the reply:

http://www.e-onsoftware.com/support/ShowMessage.php?id=1154527138

Specifically this phrase:
Hi Christopher,

No release date yet for the Mac version unfortunately. We will announce it once it becomes available.

Best regards.
Todd Ahrens

Hopefully this means I won't be waiting a year, but between zBrush finally appealing to me, Renderman for Maya becoming Multithreaded, andd Maya upgrades, I will have enough things to choose from to spend my money on. Waiting a while won't kill me. :)

Pesto

08-02-2006, 05:21 PM

First I am not complaining here (or maybe I am) but the previews for V6 (and all the previous ones...Vue 5 I, etc...) are all beuatifully done and so realistic. My issue is that when I try to do something so realistic it takes a year (ok...maybe only 360 days) to render. How does everyone else feel about creating animations like these previews? Am I the only one thinking I would like a better render speed? Just throwing this out there, especially since those vol. cloud fly-throughs will surely increase render time greatly, unless you want a pixelated mess.

Venkman

08-02-2006, 05:41 PM

I have come to accept the fact that most high quality imagery takes quite a while to render. I have used Mental Ray for a bunch of work and I have not been impressed by the speed (partially because I cannot optimize it like some of the pros on these boards).

I don't think you will ever see Vue all of a sudden make a 2-3 fold increase in renderspeed (although they are saying there have been large increases). The scenes can get enormously complex and detailed and we will have to just deal with it, I think. If you have a dedicated rendermachine(s), then you will benefit greatly. I don't!

It's the same reasoning people use for Maxwell. yes, the render times are long, but many feel the quality is worth the wait. If the wait is too much for you, there are other engines out there like Final Render, Renderman etc that take pride their speed.

But how to get the landscapes and clouds to look as good as the ones you see in Vue? I know Maya would not handle a scene like that at all in software or Mental Ray.

DorisDay

08-02-2006, 06:14 PM

SSS support, faster rendering, 16bit Displacement support, Eco II, new terrain editor...:bounce:

Christmas has been moved to August...

the-negative

08-02-2006, 10:41 PM

What's actually noteworthy, is the inclusion of the ecosystem module in Pro Studio. Hope this really works, so I can actually stop thinking about Infinite's (even higher than ever) price tag.

el_koyote

08-03-2006, 07:35 AM

I think Vue 6 is definatly more professionally oriented.
Render times is a problem indeed, but quality demands time, especially when, like vue you easily deal with billions of polygons !!

Small feature I'm please to see is flicker reducing in the distance.
And also real animation curves - compared to the toy Vue Infinite had.
Layered material, Matchmoving data import, scene merging, zbrush displacement,...
all this is definately more professional.

I hope solid Growt 4 will have some kind of real plant creation - or import feature, until now, plant editor is nice but soooo limited in species.

About prices :
I wish there was something about upgrading from Vue Infinite 5 to Xstream 6.
Anyone has infos on this ?

jm

DorisDay

08-03-2006, 11:13 AM

One thing that seems to be missing that I thought would be in the update is support for normal maps...

I guess we're never supposed to totally happy are we...:thumbsup:

philhoole

08-03-2006, 12:13 PM

Grolicus

08-03-2006, 12:26 PM

Same question concerning pricing here, El_Koyote:

I've been searching in vain on the Vue website for upgrades from Vue Infinite 5 to Vue Infinite 6/Xstream 6 Bundle.

Anybody more info on this ?

el_koyote

08-03-2006, 01:42 PM

Grolicus , I've asked this question to the Vue support
http://www.e-onsoftware.com/support/ShowMessage.php?id=1154591534

will keep you informed

as for normal maps, there could be no Zbrush support without Normal Maps, so I'm guessing they are supported.

jm

richcz3

08-03-2006, 06:08 PM

I'm looking at these features and like what I'm reading however I am more than a bit skeptical at the moment.

How well will it all work? and What's been Fixed?

I pre-ordered Vue5 Infinite and went through the hit/miss issues with its various features. So I'll ask with all the issues in V5 how many of the previous bugs/problems are fixed in V6? Adding features that work in IDEAL situations vs. the flexibility of Everyday productions keeps me reserved about upgrading.

Will Vue6 Inf ship Half-Baked requiring the next year to sort out key Feature issues?

arry

08-03-2006, 11:42 PM

One thing I'd like to know is how the licensing works on Infinite 6. I presume nodelocking ties the install to the NIC on my PC or something similar. And the floating license will (possibly) still require a license server PC that itself is possibly hardware locked.

Looks like it won't be possible to have an installation on a desktop and also a laptop (without 2 licenses) which I think is fair useage from my point of view. I guess that's the way it's going to be though

I've been speaking with both Todd (yesterday) and today Rick at e-on. As far as the xStream question for the Mac OSX platform, they are working on it but have run into some problems. Todd thinks they may have better luck with the intel based macs.

As for the node-locked license, here's what Rick told me about an hour ago on the phone....you can install V6I on both a desktop and a laptop, no problem. But you can only use one computer at a time.

The floating license applies to say a production company (ie: Rhythm & Hues) who would buy the floating license for their server. However, once again, only one computer can be used at a time unless each additional computer has its own license.

Hope this helps clarify these questions. Feel free to call them - they've been very patient and informative with me.

Venkman

08-04-2006, 03:21 AM

I've been speaking with both Todd (yesterday) and today Rick at e-on. As far as the xStream question for the Mac OSX platform, they are working on it but have run into some problems. Todd thinks they may have better luck with the intel based macs.

Dag-nabbit. Aside from being rock solid and not crashing ever, my G5 is continuously a pain in my ass software wise. It's not even paid off yet.

I hope to God they at least release Ozone 3 on the Mac. All I really need are those skies for my production work. I would rather pay $200 for a Maya plug that I could use immediately than wait for xStream to MAYBE come out for the Mac.

el_koyote

08-04-2006, 08:08 AM

Here's the answer from Todd to the question of upgrade from Vue Infinite 5 to Xstream :

"The Vue line of products are different from the xStream line of products. Once xStream6 is available all pricing will be listed in the price list. We do not have an exact release date at this time for the xStream6 line as of yet. Once it becomes available there will be an annoucement on our site.

At this point I'm not sure if there will be any upgrades between the two lines. If you check our price list currently there are not. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Best regards.
Todd Ahrens"

jm

lllab

08-04-2006, 12:02 PM

please give us an update from infinite 5 to xstram6.

i own infinite5 and cinema 4d, the xstream for c4d isnt ready yet, but i would buy xstream6 if there is a update path for it.

cheers
stefan

SirReality

08-04-2006, 03:32 PM

With regard to upgrade paths...

Infinite and xStream are two very different animals. xStream will let you load and render Vue content into another 3D application (Maya, Max, Lightwave is in the works, etc.), but xStream alone does not allow editing of Vue content or creation of Vue content. The Vue Infinite line can do Vue content creation and editing. If you have *both* xStream and Infinite it is in essence possible to launch Infinite from xStream and make changes to the content which will be rendered by xStream in the host application.

In my opinion, the only upgrade path from Infinite "to xStream" will be to get the combination package which includes both Infinite and xStream (this combination package was available in the Vue 5 line of software). Whether Vue will offer and upgrade price for this combination remains to be seen, but I hope that they offer solutions which will meet the needs of its users.

assistant pimp

08-04-2006, 05:54 PM

Anything on Vue5 and Xtreme package for lightwave? I want to snatch this up, but the lightwave plugin is not ready yet.

SirReality

08-04-2006, 06:19 PM

xStream for Lightwave is available for purchase in a pre-release form. Very buggy, but you can get an idea of what will be possible when it is ready for release. I think Siggraph has taken a lot of E-on's attention over the last few weeks, but when it is over I expect that xStream development will pick up again.

Tirjasdyn

08-11-2006, 06:12 PM

I would like to purchase the d'esprit pro artist version. I see the price ($399) but no preorder? I've tried to get in touch with them but no go so far.

sigh.

Tirjasdyn

08-12-2006, 03:54 PM

I would like to purchase the d'esprit pro artist version. I see the price ($399) but no preorder? I've tried to get in touch with them but no go so far.

sigh.

Gah..I went ahead and purchased vue5 infinite instead...since I will get 6 for free (100$ less) when it comes out.

Of course the whole staff apparently went on vacation after taking my money but before they made the download available. The autoresponder listed two emails so I responded to those.

I wanna play.

Qslugs

10-16-2006, 09:44 PM

Heres a question, Im wondering if anyone has any insight into this. I have a registered version for windows of 5 infinite. I want to switch to mac for the next version. Does anyone know what the specifics of this transfer will be? I cant find mention of this sort of crossgrade anywhere.

Thanks!

jello3d

10-16-2006, 10:09 PM

I wouldn't expect terribly much on the cross-grade. If you're lucky enough to get one of them on the phone, of course, you may as well give it a try. Their licensing model is designed to minimize productivity and shows pure contempt for the customers.

I might add that they said 6 would be out in Q3 2006 at Siggraph... Q4 is nearly half over now with no update from E-On... but that's par for the course.

Qslugs

10-17-2006, 01:25 AM

Wow, um great. Anyone have a productive answer to this question?

jello3d

10-17-2006, 01:47 AM

I'm sorry, my disgust with E-on licensing may have made the answer unclear:

"There is no mention of cross-grading in the current version 5 licensing terms, and the only official public information for version 6 is that you can upgrade like products on like platforms. But as with all information of this kind, you would be 100% more wise to ask E-on sales instead of all of the people who don't work for them. They are the ones who will decide whether to honor the change of your license... so get it in writing."

But I stand by the previous rant.

Megalodon

10-17-2006, 05:21 AM

Q4 is nearly half over now with no update from E-On... but that's par for the course.
Just for the record... we're only (currently) 16-17 days or so into the 4th quarter. The halfway point is about November 15th, not Oct. 15th.

I believe that E-On sent out e-mails - I recall getting on about a month ago - saying that Oct. would be the "release month." That said, if it really IS Oct., I'm sure it will be during the very last week, if not on Halloween itself.

I do think that E-On Support and Customer Service is severely lacking, and I hope that they REALLY know this and have plans to improve the service. We shall see.

Mgalodon

freakybusiness

10-17-2006, 09:22 AM

Here's my question and the response from Eon below

Posted by: Michael Monaghan
On: 2006/10/01 21:03:00
Operating System: Windows XP Home

Hi E-on,

I am considering moving from an aging Windows XP pc to a new 24" IMAC.

Will it be possible to upgrade/crossover from the PC to the MAC version of infinite 6 when it becomes available?

I recently upgraded from VE5 to VI5 and am eligble for a VI6 upgrade.

Thanks in advance.

Michael M.

Response:

@michael: Yes that's definitly possible.

All you'll have to do is to chose the correct version you will want when available.

If by the time you change your PC to a mac, vue 6 is already here, then please get in touch with us wo that we'll be able to send you a correct download link (this doesn't apply if you wait for the boxed versions to be available, as boxed versions will be crossplateform).

Link to thread is here: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/support...p?id=1152066512 (http://www.e-onsoftware.com/support/ShowMessage.php?id=1152066512)

The-G-Man

10-17-2006, 09:32 AM

SSS support, faster rendering, 16bit Displacement support, Eco II, new terrain editor...:bounce:

Christmas has been moved to August...

Ah, but which August? :D

Mike.H

10-17-2006, 12:46 PM

e.on has publicly said that the release was postponed and woudnt happen during q3.

Oct (not sure to be honest :P but i think i remember october being mentioned) has been mentioned but no exact date, regardless it´s evident that it´s not to far away.

im personly happy to see a company postpone a release with a month or two, to polish the product alittle more instead of releasing it as announced just because.