Sketchbook Thread of Batte812

[batte812]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/ba36.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/ba65.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/ba71.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/50faces/ba19.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/50faces/ba38.jpg

[batte812]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/50faces/ba47.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/50faces/ba068.jpg

Thus far my contribution to the 50 heads

[batte812]

And still 3 more that didn't make it to the original thread, brings my total to 22:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/50faces/ba22.jpg

[NR43]

Yoo bart,

bedankt voor de tip in mijn thread kga't eens proberen :)

Really nice head studies you got here! Seems you are familiar with all kinds of media to draw. I'm jealous :D

Keep posting

[batte812]

Thanks for the nice comments, Johan.

A few works i made in the past months.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan019b.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan032b.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan036b.jpg


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan044.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan045.jpg

[batte812]

Some more stuff.


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/schedel02b.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan056.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan055.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan050.jpg

[Rist]

Some great stuff here, looking forward to following the topic! If you squint your eyes at that skull, it comes into focus!

[Rebeccak]

batte812,

Welcome aboard! :) Great to have your participation in the 50 Portraits Workshop, and I look forward to seeing you participate in more Workshops / Tutorials here on the Anatomy Forum! :)

I think that you are showing a good sense of the overall form of the heads which you have done for the Workshop. What might be nice to see next is a more detailed, careful exploration of a single Portrait where you first lightly block in the basic forms with a sharp and relatively soft pencil, and then really carefully detail with consistent shading the forms of the head.

Definitely check out this thread for inspiration:

Anatomy Thread of Kalene (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=385620)

And also look at artists such as Ingres (http://www.cameralucida.org.uk/images/large/knowledge/Ingres2.gif) to see examples of how great traditional shading is done.

I think that really exploring detail in this way will be a great next step in terms of really forming an understanding of anatomy in an in depth way.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[NR43]

great hand studies.
they're on my to do list... hands

[batte812]

Thanks for the reactions!

Fl3wk: indeed the skull is a bit blurry - i still need to practice my painting a lot. I'm gonna check out a few tutorials when i have the time.
Hi Johan; thanks - hands are a discipline oof their own - you should practice thel very regularly.

Rebecca: thanks for the welcome. I really hope to participate in this forum in other workshops, and by helping out other students.
Indeed shading is my weekest point, and i 'm working on it. I try to work with four levels and draw the areas , and then refining some, following the contours. Still al long way to go. I'll check out those links and i'll do some more reading on the subject
Here are some more drawings i did in the past few weeks:


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan049.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan051.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan058.jpg


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan057.jpg

[Rist]

Its relatively easy to make it more focused. Just make sharper edges, darker darks, lighter lights, more concentrated midtones.

[Intervain]

nice sketches - really like the hand studies... keep'em coming :thumbsup:

[batte812]

Hi Intervain, glad you like the hand studies - it took me a long time before i could draw anything that looked like a hand.

Rebecca, i took up your advice to work on my shading; here are the first results

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan065b.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan065c.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan066.jpg

Hope you like.

[NR43]

wow the female head is nicely shaded. Good progress.
Have you tried shading by keeping your pencil flat and using blending sticks?
If you want real smooth shading, try it. Takes a long time but the end result is very realistic.

[batte812]

Hi Johan, yes i am trying this blending technique. It seems to work really well to spread out those darker areas from a B4 pencil more evenly. So the textue of the paper is not showing so much. I don't have any blending sticks, so for now i'm using pieces of paper, ear cutton buds, an old eraser, anything that does the job. Some more results:



http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/bartovan067.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/bartovan070.jpg


I adjusted the background in PS on this one:


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/bartovan071c.jpg

[NR43]

I see you're getting the hang of it, nice studies here!
I like the skull where you've managed to give it a nice texture.

Those blending sticks, you can find them in any decent art store and they are really cheap. I think I paid 70€cents in total for 4 blending sticks in different sizes.

you can also try making them yourself with a piece of paper but it's not that easy (I gave up trying)

[batte812]

Blending sticks are definitely on the list next time i pass by the art store.

Some new work i did



http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan076.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan077.jpg


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan078.jpg

[batte812]

Some more stuff; still practicing shading mostly.



http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan080.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan081.jpg

[NR43]

love these head studies, especially the last one, which is really really nice

keep 'em coming

[batte812]

Hi, thanks Johan.

Here's some more stuff i did:

Some eye studies from Hogarth

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan085.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan082.jpg

Some hands

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan083.jpg

And a few funny guys...

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan084.jpg

[YMS]

Thanks for stopping by in my thread! :)

I like what you're achieving with your sketches. Blending/shading is definitely something I need to work on - you're getting good results. :thumbsup:

[batte812]

I've been dong some more exercises - mostly studies, i didn't spend much time on rendering.



http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan090.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan086.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan091.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan088.jpg

[batte812]

Some more drawings:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/bartovan092.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/bartovan093.jpg

[batte812]

I did a few more faces; a more eleborate one that didn't work out too well (adjusted a bit in PS) and some basic linework.


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan094.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan095.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan096.jpg

[NR43]

great stuff! I should do more of these too.
Well school starts in one week I'm sure I will then :)
Keep it up

[batte812]

Hi Johan, thanks - alwys fun to do these quick studies. I did some more; full figures this time, and one more eleborated from reference pic.


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan103.jpghttp://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan102.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan101.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan100.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan099.jpg

[Rebeccak]

batte812,

It's been good to see your progress here. With respect to shading, I would recommend doing a small still life where you shade very carefully - check out the basic shading principles here, and perhaps shade an organic object such as an apple or a piece of wrinkled cloth for something more complex:

TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)

Looking forward to seeing more of your work. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

[Talaria]

I love your eye studyies, they are great :).Your female heads are very beautiful by the way.
Keep it up :)

[batte812]

Hi Talaria, Thanks for the nice comments.

Hi Rebecca, nice to hear from you. Indeed i still need some more basic practice for my shading. I try more exercises later on.
I have been doing some more rough figure studies to study differences between people.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan108.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan107.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan106.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan105.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/batte812/anatomy/bartovan104.jpg

[batte812]

I"m switching over to image shack - hope my images come through.

I started with painter again - doing some charcoal work. I've been experimenting a bit and it works out well, but i still need a lot of practice.




http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/53/bartovan110wv7.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9858/bartovan111ff3.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1908/bartovan112sl4.jpg

[batte812]

Here are the torsos i have veen posting in the general thread, and some WIP on my 3D modell:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8623/bart998wp5.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/577/bart997qo1.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4638/bart999iq5.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/27/b26cg8.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/751/b85xj9.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7649/b89sc5.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1714/b94zl5.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7209/b96tg1.jpg

[NR43]

Hey batte812that 3D torso is gonna be nice :)
good to see you in on the challenge.
have fun creating!

[batte812]

Here are the latest renderings of my 3D modell for the torso. I have some sort of wire frames and some render experiments to imitate the pencil shading technique. The modell was made with 3D Studio Max and rendered with Mental Ray (the render engine of 3D Studio).

I still have a lot of work to finish the back. After that i might export the modell to Zbrush and add some more detail.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/109/torso964pf2.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6159/torso965je1.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2702/torso963nr9.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8964/torso967vd6.jpg

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3604/torso969uk1.jpg

[batte812]

A few more things i did; i tried to work in pen to improve my linework. The first one is in pencil, the rest done completely in pen. It's a different way of working: no errasin, no heavy construction lines...


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8337/bartovan115yq8.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3301/bartovan118lt8.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2245/bartovan117tu4.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9210/bartovan116sb3.jpg

[NR43]

Hey wow compared to the pencil drawing, your pen work really pops out.
I think it's due to the higher contrast... really nice
more more more :)

[batte812]

Thanks Johan. The higher contrast might have something to do with it. But i think it's mostly becaus i think more befor i draw, using a pen. With a pencil i tend to scribble away, and end up with a messy drawing...

I have been doing some basic perspective work, following the videos of Scott Robertson. It should lead into car designing one day.

So i just did a few little drawings and some head studies after Bammes as far as anatomy is concerned.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6421/bartovan127hg7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4189/bartovan126vr0.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4505/bartovan128dn9.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1894/bartovan129ht3.jpg

[batte812]

I'm still trying, allthough it's been some time since my last post. I scanned in some of my drawings and added some colors/values in painter.


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6531/bartovan134gb9.jpg


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1148/bartovan135eg6.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7781/bartovan136dw9.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7443/bartovan137sq0.jpg

[Tonik]

You're making great progress. Your cross-hatching works very well and I've been impressed by all your quick figure sketches. All I can say is keep on going because you're heading in the right direction.

[NR43]

great work mate.
Good to see you're still active :)

edit: btw, are you entering the Peugeot Challenge? Great prizes they have ;)
Would be a nice exercise in car design, if that's what you're after...

[batte812]

Hi Tonik and Johan, thanks for the nice comments.
I'm not quite ready for any car design contest yet - but it seems interesting, maybe next year. In the mean time i can show you some attempts to draw cars from reference pics. All done freehand, using the basic perspective drawing techniques i've learned from the videos of Scott Robertson. Still a lot to learn, but it's a start...

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2705/bartovan141pv7.jpg

And some more figures; pencil sketches, scanned and colored in painter

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/867/bartovan140kt1.jpg


http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4493/bartovan139wz6.jpg

[Cris-Palomino]

Nice to see you continue to post your studies. Very nice.

Cris

[batte812]

Hi Cris, yes, i'm still studying. I've been doing a lot of basic stuff: strait lines, boxes, ellipses... Essential, but not to spectacular to post. Here's a few more attempts at cars from ref pic, and some more figure studies...

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7534/bartovan143qy1.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8892/bartovan145xs9.jpg

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6913/bartovan142rk0.jpg

[NR43]

Hey man,

love the car sketches

edit: just noticed the front wheel(s) of the first one are too small but maybe it was intentional...

those basic exercises are the fuel for that kind of work, any kind of drawing actually (and arm, a finger, a leg can be simplified into a group of cylinders...)
I'm doing those as well at school since a couple of months and I love it (although I seem to be the only one in my class getting excited over drawing vases, winebottles and boxes :eek: )

So there's no way I can convince you to join the peugeot challenge huh (big money prizes to win for the top 30 finalists!! ) :D

[aggie93]

You have some great sketches of both human and cars. You hatching is great at defining. Keep up the great work.

[batte812]

Hi Aggie, glad you like my work.

Hi Johan, it is a bit late to enter that competition. They're expecting the entries by now, and i still have to start designing... And as you can see, there are still a lot of issues with my cars (front wheels that are to small etc.).

I found the patience to do some more hatching exercises. Everithing done in ball point, so no room for corrections...

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/333/bartovan146uo1.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/682/bartovan147lw3.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3779/bartovan148gc7.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1373/bartovan149ez9.jpg

And a few more cars from ref pics...

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6526/bartovan151zp3.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6559/bartovan152mm9.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1046/bartovan150rd8.jpg

[batte812]

I've been doing some more cars. these are without reference so they're some sort of my own designs, with a lot of perspective issues and so on... Still a long way to go.http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5816/bartovan154ov9.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4373/bartovan155fb8.jpg

And a few more figure drawings....

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2207/bartovan156mg6.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4289/bartovan157qt9.jpg

And some poses of hte house models Ben Miller and Ron Eyre - thanks for the poses guys.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5232/bartovan158ru3.jpg

[batte812]

A few more cars, from ref pics. Freehand pencil sketches, bachground added in PS.


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/218/bartovan160aa1.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9255/bartovan159pb4.jpg

[batte812]

Some more work i did; some face construction, hatching and figure drawing. All from ref pics.


http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5948/bartovan161je8.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1245/bartovan162wy1.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2769/bartovan163iv7.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7995/bartovan164ha6.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/908/bartovan165lh7.jpg

[batte812]

Some more exercises trying to loosen up my linework with pencil; some more hatching as well (done with pen).


http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3346/bartovan166hg9.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/6835/bartovan167tk8.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5738/bartovan168lc8.jpg

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/691/bartovan169ka3.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7126/bartovan170ft8.jpg

[Eiki]

Wow! Very impressive sketches in here!
Want to see more! :bounce:

[aggie93]

Let me just say that words of encouragement from others have really made me want to do more and post more. THat is just what I have been doing. So I am going to encourage you to keep working and post more and more. Pick a workshop and contribute. That will give you focus to a goal and make you want to work on more areas. Your doing great with your sketches.

[batte812]

Thanks Bapke - more coming up!


Hi Aggie, thanks for the encouragement. Needed that. I'm gonaa contribute to the current workshop. Some really nice material to work from.

I did some more figure studies. I tried to draw them bigger and add in a bit more detail.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2028/bartovan178yi5.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3650/bartovan177gg4.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3853/bartovan176pp2.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3770/bartovan175ra8.jpg

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5369/bartovan172or4.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1030/bartovan171pb7.jpg

[NR43]

hey Bart, nice eye studies!

are you going to join the OFDW20?
would be great to see you participate :)

[batte812]

Hi Johan, you must have seen i tried to make a little contribution to OFDW 20. I'm going to try a bit more. I have been doing some value studies and some eye studies in the mean time. Some pencil sketches that went through Photoshop, and i started up Painter again. I don't know why i didn't do these exercises befor.


http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1126/bartovan181sm2.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4466/bartovan184gi4.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7792/bartovan182dx6.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1091/bartovan186qw3.jpg

[batte812]

A few little things...

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1474/bartovan188cd1.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4425/bartovan189yt9.jpg

[NR43]

Hey there

really nice work these last few. The last one... the eyes aren't actually visible but there is so much expression in his face

Great work as usual!

[holdensc]

Hi batte - thanks for the welcome. This is a great thread - lots of solid study paying off. These new developments with Pshop are great.

Love the skull study!

Must try my own now.

[batte812]

Hi, Holdensc, thanks. I use Painter for my digital work, however. The skull study is a good way to learn how to render. There is a seperate thread with reference material and a tutorial in the tutorial section. Good luck!


Thanks Johan!

I did some more head studies and some figure drawing. I try to work on my lines - but it doesn't always show.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1897/bartovan191dm0.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3731/bartovan192cn9.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9248/bartovan193nt6.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2301/bartovan194nn7.jpg

[batte812]

Practicing my linework...


http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1959/bartovan200ey8.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6687/bartovan201jz7.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8686/bartovan202ia3.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1958/bartovan203xq6.jpg

[Zephyri]

Hi bartovan, a really busy thread you have here, which is always good to see. The car sketches are really impressive, mostly cause I can't draw mechanical things for beans! Your hatching is coming along really nicely... and I admire your guts for working in ink (have yet to try that myself as I'm too chicken and love my eraser!). With the line drawings one thing I notice is you seem to be making longer lines out of smaller hatching strokes. You may find if you loosen up, maybe try drawing on a larger scale and just make solid flowing lines you'll get smoother results. Just a suggestion mind, these are all good in their own right! Lovely to see someone working at the basics too, you can guarantee when you move onto things like the car sketches they will look fantastic!

[batte812]

Hi Zephyri, thanks for the comment!

I still have to find a balance in my linwork between looseness and control. Drawing on a larger scale is definitely something i have to try. I'll keep on practicing!

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3489/bartovan1996av.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/657/bartovan2016wr.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/421/bartovan2029lx.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4764/bartovan2039bj.jpg




I got me a charcoal pencil. Here are the first experiments:


http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/193/bartovan2048ac.jpg

[batte812]

Practicing with charcoal...


http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9303/bartovan205b0sx.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6989/bartovan2069bk.jpg

And some studies in Painter...

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5545/bartovan2075pe.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5352/bartovan2080xt.jpg

[DMNY]

Very sweet work. Loved the hand study you've shared on the first page. For some reason, I still have a lot of problems drawing hands in a detailed manner. :shrug:

[Amerasu]

Wow!! A very impressive thread of work! I love your quick character sketches. I think they're really quite strong and they have a dynamic flow to them. Really good work there. Your faces and heads are very cool too.

I too struggle with shading and couldn't crosshatch to save my life. My lines end up going in all different directions.

Anyway, great work!

[batte812]

Hi, thanks for the replies.

DMNY, hands are very difficult. You have to study the structure and you have to develop a good sence of perspective. Good luck.
Amerasu, i sometimes draw some figures completely in ink. It helps me to think more before i draw. I do the crosshatching at the end, so i get more consistency.

Some more charcoal....


http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2920/bartovan214qc5.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8804/bartovan213ky3.jpg

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7869/bartovan212hj9.jpg

[batte812]

Some more charcoal: i'm trying different types of charcoal pencils and vein charcoal:


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3228/bartovan215dk5.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1695/bartovan216lu9.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1599/bartovan217mm9.jpg

[batte812]

Some more charcoal studies and a value study in Painter that ran a bit out of hand ( i was tryng to shade a sphere)...





http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6471/bartovan224xm7.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2240/bartovan223sn3.jpg



http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8279/bartovan225fx6.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7185/bartovan218ca5.jpg

[anandpg]

Hi batte812! good work!:thumbsup:... and nice to see your progress!

[NR43]

ha the fishlike creature is awesome!
some sketches look heavily framed. maybe losing the frame here and there... what do you think?

(only noticing and mentioning because I've got the same problem, which was brought to my attention by Frejasphere)

[batte812]

Thanks for the replies, Anandpg and Johan! About the 'framed' images: i don't pay too much attention to composition now. I just use the rectangle tool to select the best part of the image.

Here are some more value studies, done in Painter:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4191/bartovan226qm8.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/429/bartovan227am9.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5647/bartovan228sn6.jpg

[Samanthie]

Nice value studies Batte.:) Looks like you are doing well with Painter. The hand and skull are really well done. Maybe more contrast is needed on the skull. Oh and I like your fish too..he is too cute.

[SylvanMist]

Hi, I really like those studies you did in painter..the ones that are really dark shades of gray and black. They're interesting to look at. And your drawings are nice too, I like the hatching work you've done on some of them.

[Zephyri]

Hey again! good to see you're still at it. The painter work you've posted is looking very good, the medium seems to suit you! Really like the first ones on this page you posted, where the figures are coming out of the black. The hands is nicely done too.

With the charcoal studies, have you tried shading the figure in without the linework? The thing that stands out most to me is some of the drawings have quite heavy outlines, that, perhaps without them the rest of the values that describe shaped would be lost. Focusing on dark edges against light, as you'v done much more in the painter pieces, might help bring another level of realism to the traditional studies.

but keep it up, there's definite signs of improvement.

[batte812]

Hi you all, thanks for the replies!

Samanthie: thanks
Roja: thanks, my hatchwork seems to go well when i work in ink, but i usually don't have the patience...
Zephyri: i'm stillm unsure about the forms, that's why i go over my lines again and again. Maybe i should do the outlines with a pencil first. My goal is not realism, however; i want to develop a stronger linework.

Here are a few very loose figure drawings:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2668/bartovan229qb6.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8201/bartovan230qj5.jpg

Some based on geometric shapes:


http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8046/bartovan231dm0.jpg


And some basic shading exercises, done in Painter (rendering matte surfaces); still a lot of issues, but i keep practicing...

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5492/bartovan233si1.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1928/bartovan234pz4.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7524/bartovan235xm0.jpg

[batte812]

I've been exploring Painter X some more; some basic value and color studies. Not really happy with how i constructed the faces, but i'm still working...


http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5939/bartovan236zx3.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6108/bartovan237zp0.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7311/bartovan238fg6.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/9899/bartovan239ti3.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1497/bartovan240kf3.jpg

[razz]

Painter rules, eh? :D I would leave fast studies like these in a painterly style, I mean, no blending, except the stuff that gets blended with the same painting brush using pressure for opacity, you know. That, of course, might only be my preference. But it is good, because that way you'll be pushing your brushworking skills up up up, not blending out all the beautifull work you do. See my portfolio if interested how I leave those quickies pretty painterly. They're not something to be learned from, but it shows what I mean. Again, it might be just me.
Keep up with those value studies. They sure help a lot.

[Rebeccak]

Strong stuff with these recent value exercises - keep pushing them further, and trying to see increasing subtleties of tone. With respect to the drawings, try to give the lines more breathing room - relax your strokes a bit, and allow form to 'breathe' - this may mean allowing for a bit of exaggeration in terms of length of strokes, etc., but that's not a bad thing aesthetically. :)

[batte812]

Hi Rebecca, thanks for the comment. I need to loosen up my linework - still working on that.

Razz, thanks. I'm learning the basics of painting. I like that painterly style you use in your SB - it is better than blending too much. I did a basic exercise, without any blending. I went a bit further in detailing than intended, but i liked how it was turning out...

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5453/bartovan241jb0.jpg

[Samanthie]

I like it too! You did this without blending? Very pretty.

[batte812]

Hi Samanthie, thanks - i mean i didn't use the blending tools. The brushes in Painter have some blending properties of their own, so the paint gets mixed on the canvas. I tried some more fruit and vegetables:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2007/bartovan242tb8.jpg

[Samanthie]

Well you are doing really well. I like the textures you have on the orange. I am getting to know Painter too but I've got a lot more to learn.

[NR43]

Hey Bart it's great to see your explorations in Painter. It's a wonderful tool!
Those value studies are really paying off you know...

Nonetheless I really like this one:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8046/bartovan231dm0.jpg

I am wondering, where did you get this technique of gesture drawing?
I really love that and would love to see more simular gestures.

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi...Bart....:)

Frame #56, bottom portrait...OUTSTANDING...:thumbsup:
Your whole thread is a real pleasure to see in fact...alot of hard work, that is paying off big time it looks like...REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOUR WORK AND PROGRESS...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

batte812,

Love the fruit studies, I should do those as well! :)

[batte812]

Hi, thanks for the replies!

Johan, i'm glad you picked that one out. I guess i based myself on the traditional wooden "manneke" and on the Loomis model to develop this kind of gesture drawing. Steven Stahlberg uses a similar reduction to geometric forms to study shading in his tutorial on shading:
http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html
So there are lots of resources to mix. Another important source is the form design, where i learned how important ellipses for the 3D structure of your drawing. By drawing the ellipses at the end end of the straight lines you give a lot of information on forshortening, tilting of the cylinder etc. But it takes some practice to get the ellipses right.

Glenn, thanks fot hte encouragement! I indeed get the feeling that my work is starting to pay off.

Hi Rebecca, i'm trying to explore the different materials and also the possibilitis of Painter X - so these basic exercises are very useful for me. I've been doing some metals now....


http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9027/bartovan243qw8.jpg


http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6651/bartovan244eo8.jpg

[Samanthie]

Hi Bart, very nice work, especially on the metalic finish. Keep up the good work!:)

[batte812]

Hi, Debbie, thanks! I keep practicing; been doing a variety of stuff, but not all worth showing. So i go for these Painter studies.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8011/bartovan245pn3.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3610/bartovan246uy0.jpg

[batte812]

I tried the wet impasto in Painter (artist's oils). I tried to keep a painterly feel to it...



http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8752/bartovan251in1.jpg



http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8805/bartovan250ss6.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Great stuff going on here, love these last 2 grayscales especially! Keep up the good work. :)

[Samanthie]

I agree with Rebecca, these last two studies are great! You are doing well in Painter.:)

[batte812]

Hi Rebecca and Samanthie, thanks!

Iver been practicing some anaimal anatomy:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7243/bartovan252vp7.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3780/bartovan253pe8.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8691/bartovan254mz1.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi....Batte 812...:thumbsup:

Was just admirering those still life studies you did, and your impasto figure studies....Think it would be GREAT to see you put together a simple composition...maybe a man and woman sitting at a table, with a few still life objects on the table...maybe even a dog laying on the floor in the shadows next to the mans feet...would give you a chance to study composition, and put into practice what you have been studying...maybe even some fancy cloth on the figures..just a thought..you could use that impasto technique, and creat a whole painting, just expanding outward from the still life on the table top...maybe have that in candle light, and have the shadows in the painting get deeper as they move away from the still life...casting shadows and reflextions on the figures ect....would be a fun exercise, and you might be surprized at how much you have learned in doing those seperate studies..:)
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[batte812]

Hi Glenn, thanks for the reply, you're right: i should combine this stuff in one bigger work - and finish it. I was thinking about a master copy first, but i'm still looking for a good reference.


In the mean time, while i was watching everyone Z-brushing and mudboxing, i picked up one of my experiments i did once. A basic model made in 3D Studio max, took it to Z-brush, "refined" the model, and back to max to render (Mental Ray has a great skin shader):



http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1888/mod946bmw2.jpg

[Samanthie]

Really interesting model. I like how you were able to get so much smooth detail, not easy to do I'm finding out.:)

[batte812]

Thanks Samanthie - i started with a detailed 3D model from Max and refined it in Z-brush.

Time for a little update. I've been doing a lot of basic exercises but nothing much to show here. Just a few heads in Painter:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5163/bartovan260ff4.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1574/bartovan259el8.jpg

[anandpg]

Hey Bart! you are turning out awesome stuff!!:thumbsup: keep 'em coming!

[boeserWolf]

the last two sketches are excellent ... thx for sharing batte812 :thumbsup: :applause:

[NR43]

You know those dog sketches really tell a lot.
great flow in those lines, quick and sufficient shading... excellent stuff Bart! (it's what my teacher at school is trying to hammer in my head lol)

lovely stuff!

[batte812]

Hi Johan, thanks!I've been studying perspective a lot lately - as a part of my car designing exercises. And they really help when drawing organic stuff as well.

Thanks Anand and Wolf. Here is some more pencil work:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6366/bartovan263xa6.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2305/bartovan262fh3.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9783/bartovan261gz4.jpg

[Womball]

Wow you have great shading ability! Also your painter works are really good too. I'm really tempted to buy it, if it has a blending ability in the brush. That would save soooooo much time!

[batte812]

Hi Womball, thanks for the kind words. I feel like i still have a lot to learn as it comes to shading.
Painter has a blending option for several brushes so you can apply paint and blend it at the same time. But i haven't found the right settings yet so i use a seperate blender. But you can try it for a month - so check it out!


http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6629/bartovan265oi6.jpg

[batte812]

Some more heads, poses and a car thumbnail...


http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1558/bartovan267mt0.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3066/bartovan268qu6.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4355/bartovan269fz5.jpg

[Samanthie]

It's great to see your pencil sketches. Your shading has improved alot. You can really see this in the sketch of the kid in the hood and also your studies on the tan paper. The dog studies are so cute..loads of personality. You must like animals.:)

[batte812]

Hi Debbie, thanks for the kind words. I have been studying the basics of rendering (how to shade a box, a sphere etc) and it really helps.

Some more muscles and some animals...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4718/bartovan270xv5.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5795/bartovan273vg5.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9679/bartovan272hg6.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5969/bartovan271am5.jpg

[NR43]

great updates Bart
looking forward to see more

[mynti]

Man, nice work, was a great pleasure looking through your sketchbook, keep it up! :D

[batte812]

Hi Mynti an Johan, thanks for the compliment!
Here is a more elaborated portrait from ref pic:


http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/126/bartovan274pu3.jpg

[Samanthie]

Nice sketch Bart! You did great on capturing her expression. Not sure without seeing the reference pic but the area of her scalp seems to curve abruptly where the bangs begin. You could add some shading and some subtle curving lines at the top where the bangs begin and follow the curve of the bangs downward. Looking forward to more!:)

[SpiritDreamer]

HEY...Bart...:)
Just stopping in to see what you've been up to, and to say HI..:)
Looks like you are a natural when it comes to drawing anamals..nice flow and relaxed feel in those ones you posted on the previous page. I think it would be interesting to see what you were capable of doing with say for instance a RUBENS anamal from one of his big hunt scene paintings,..maybe a lion...I think that if you did a copy of one of his anamals, it would really enhace your feel for , looseness, rythum, forshortening, volume ect., and what you learned from it would for sure show up in your own works, whether it be anamals, humans, or whatever...just a passing thought...:)
REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOUR WORK,...AND PROGRESS...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[gahpe]

wow batte812 your thread is really impresive, so inspiring
yours live drawing sketches, the heads, everything.
I hope I can manage to study like you ....=)

And thanks batte812 for passing by my sketchbook thread

[batte812]

Samanthie, thanks. I got a bit tired when i was doing the hair. I should have shaded it better as well. I thought it looked allright when i made it but indeed, a few days later the mistakes show up...

Gaphe, thanks for the compliments! The big secret is to practice a lot! Good luck.

Glenn, thanks for the advice, the animals seem to go well for me. I've taken a look at some Rubens paintings and drawings and i see what you mean with the rythm, looseness volume etc. There is still a lot to learn for me. I mad a small attempt, but i defenitely have to get back to do more Rubens studies!



http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2903/bartovan275sx7.jpg

[batte812]

Some more animals. I tried to figure out how to draw the fur on the dogs...


http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3951/bartovan276sf0.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/486/bartovan277cw7.jpg

[theflash]

those are some really nice animal studier there. Keep it up, hope to see more of these. I like the studies with fur. For the lion oyu have got a really nice start.

[Cyanid]

nice linework on the animals! nice sketchbook, just looked through most of the thread. very nice progress too.

[batte812]

Hi Cyanid, thanks! I'm trying to work on my linework - glad to hear i'm improving.

Thanks Flash, more is coming...

Here are some studies after Zhaoming Wu, an inspiring artist. I found him through the sketchbook of Razz, he did a few studies as well. I tried to imitate the impasto with Painter, but i really would want to learn how to work with real oil paint...


http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2938/bartovan279xx9.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4953/bartovan278jm1.jpg

[Aviva]

Gorgeous little girl in post #108! And you've got the different types of dog fur down well. Great thread, keep it up! :)

[Eiki]

I really like the very last study of the old man.
Nice colors and very nice nose and mouth :thumbsup::applause:

[SpiritDreamer]

HEY ...Bart...:thumbsup:

Just stopping by by to say ..THANKS FOR THOSE Z BRUSH LINKS that you just posted on my thread...GREAT HELP TO ME :bounce:
Also wanted to say that I like the last few things that you've posted,..that one cat in your drawings on the right upper side of that frame, has the dynamic that is in the RUBENS lion,..so you must have learned a little something while copying that RUBENS lion, and it is now appearing in your other drawings...WAY TO GO :thumbsup:
I agree with you about trying real oils...nothing beats the feeling of actually pushing real paint around and into a real canvas..That same feeling will translate into your digital work also, ..once you experience it.
ANYWAY, mainly wanted to say THANKS,..those links will save me alot of frustration in Z BRUSH...FOR SURE....I checked out a few of them just now, pretty straight forward and easy to understand...going to make my life, sculpting and painting a lot easier...:) :bounce:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Asatira]

Hello. Just checking out your latest drawings. I love the portrait of the young girl. You got the curves and softness without a lot of lines, keeping her looking like a little kid. I love the first painting of the old man.

[batte812]

Asatira: thanks!

Spiritdreamer: i'm glad that you like the tutorials - they were very useful for me too. I would like to have some more time to experiment with ZBrush a bit further.
I'll keep on studying Rubens: it's great to see how he works with rythm, composition etc and how he goes so much further than capturing a mere ressemblance.

Bapke: thanks - the real credit goes to Zhaoming Wu (but i'm pretty happy with the result of the study as well).

Aviva: thanks!

I did a rendering exercise, and i'm planning on doing a few more.
(Pencil on paper - tone added in PS)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/126/bartovan280na1.jpg

And some deer... (Very interesting exercises to make my linework more dynamic and elegant)



http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6968/bartovan283bp3.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4908/bartovan281co6.jpg


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5014/bartovan282au9.jpg

[Samanthie]

Great updates Bart! Very good head sketch and paintings! I like those deer sketches! Very nice lines.
You want to learn to do oils? I used them for a few years. You would do best to take an oil painting class if/when you can. For now I would suggest that you pick up one of those oil painting kits at an art store with the included brushes. It will at least give you an idea if you like oils or not. If it isn't included in the kit pick up a palette knife. You will need it for blending the paint and also putting paint onto the canvas. Also you should probably get the canvas board to begin with for practice. You can get the prestretched canvas later on if you like or learn to stretch your own. Personally I enjoyed oils very much but the smell of the chemicals gave me headaches so I switched to acrylics and watercolor. Some of the things you will need are terpentine to clean the brushes and linseed oil to thin the paints as needed. A really good handsoap for cleaning your hands too. Some old rags for blending oils on the canvas. It's been awhile since I used oils so hopefully someone who is using them now will post more info. They are fun and since the paint takes a long time to dry you can fix mistakes hours later. I hope that helps a little.:)

[batte812]

Hi Samanthie, thanks for the explanation on the oil paints. I'm going to try them out during the hollidays to see how i like it. I found a book explaining the basics so that should do to start out. I still have some tubes of oil paint i bought some years ago, but i never used them. Hope if they're still good. And i'm still considering to follow drawing lessons. There's an open door day this weekend at the local academy, so i'm going to check it out.

Here are a few more exercises:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6799/bartovan284ps0.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6277/bartovan285yf3.jpg

[theflash]

Hey bart those deer studies are really really good, I love your lines in those drawings.

Are the last ones your memory drawing or you used a reference?

[NR43]

Hey Bart,
I don't know in what city the academy is you are thinking to join. If it's in Leuven and you decide to take the "hogere graad" drawing classes there, I can strongly recommend choosing Peter Van Eyck's class... Learned heaps from this guy already.

Weet ook dat je opleidingscheques kunt kopen via de website van de vdab (vdab.be), waardoor je de helft van de prijs je opleiding in je zakken steekt ;)
Wel op tijd aanvragen en inschrijven dan!

keep at it!

[wildsheepchase]

Your drawing skill really shines in the animal studies that you've posted. They have a lot of life to them and the line work is really graceful.
Your figure drawing is also great and I'm seeing a lot of improvement with each posting.
Keep doing those gestures! They are really great practice and will inform your more detailed pieces as you go. :)

[batte812]

Hi Flash, thanks for the nice words. The last two are from reference pics, as is most of my work. I should work more from life as it is an extra challenge...

Johan, i'm thinking of joining a local academy (Nijlen). I think i trally need to learn the basic techniques: how to work with charcoal, what paper to use etc. And let's see what else it'll bring...
Bedankt voor de tip ivm de opleidingscheques. Ik moet het nog uitzoeken, maar het kan me wel een deel geld besparen!

Wildsheepchase: thanks, for some reason the animal studies turn out much better than portraits and figure studies, allthough i didn't do that much animal studies. Anyway, i'll keep on practicing a variety of stuff, and one study will push the other, so hopefully all will balance in the end.

Here's a few more, pencil on paper - added a fancy background in PS afterwards:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4774/bartovan286wl4.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6492/bartovan287nj7.jpg

[NR43]

i'm thinking of joining a local academy

I really hope you will. First year can be a bit boring sometimes but all in all I've learned so much! I enlisted for my 2nd year today actually. Talked to my teacher and he was glad I will join his classes next year. They had exposed a few of my drawings during open door weekend but unfortunately I couldn't make it.

those animal drawings look great. You've got me doing some myself now :D

[theflash]

Seriously bart you are so good at drawing animals, do you hang out with Tarzan? :)

I like your previous paintings and the way you have rendered it with strokes. But I wish I could see more forms in those figures.

[Samanthie]

Hi Bart,
Good portrait studies. Love the old woman, very good shading and colors there. On the girl the shading is very dramatic which is also nice but there is something about her lower mouth area. The outward curves there could be less dark and more softly blended. The deer and the panda are just great and you know I am a fan of your animals! You've gotta do more!!:thumbsup:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi...Bart...:)

GREAT STUDIES...:thumbsup:
Was thinking that if you haven't studied the animals of the ancient Chinese and Japanese MASTERS, that you should go to the library and check out some books on them. They had a really beautiful way of capturing the essense of the animal that they drew, with really beautiful elegant line and sometimes toned inkwash...Check out thier works if you have time and feel like it. I think you will find and recieve alot of inspiration in and from thier works..:)
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK AND PROGRESS ..Bart..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[wildsheepchase]

Hi Bart,
More nice animal studies! Do you draw these from reference?
My guess is that humans are more difficult to draw because we have more preconceived notions about what a person should look like, as opposed to how they actually look. That's just my 2 cents, though. ;)
Keep going!

[batte812]

THANKS FOR ALL THE REPLIES!!!

Maulik: yes Tarzan and me we go back a long time:) About the paintings: i'm still at the very beginning, and there is a lot to be learned. As you said i should try to get more volume in.

Samanthie: thanks for the compliments. The pencil shading has some issues, thanks for pointing them out. And don't worry, more animals coming up soon!

Glenn: that's a good idea to check out the chinese dragons. I will do that.

Wildsheepchase: i work from ref pics to draw these anaimals. Google is a great place to fing them. You're right about drawing people: we are trained to analyze people in a detailed way; the smallest mistake in a drawing will make people look differently or deviating. The part that's more difficult in drawing animals is to get the perspective and forshortening right: they usually stand on four legs, and the body often is forshortened.

I worked out one of the pandas from the previous post:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8074/bartovan290at1.jpg

And a pencil drawing of a doll; background added in PS:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3918/bartovan291up2.jpg

[Intervain]

niiiice - I love the panda! I totally can't draw animals :/... the dear's real nice too - very sure lines!

[theflash]

hehe bart, can you setup a meeting with Tarzan? :) Panda looks really nice especially I love the shading.

[LisandraN]

Thanks for you encouragement!
Your animal studies are coming along very nicely - they have a very natural appearance. I also like the textures you have been working with. Even though I assume most of your work is digital(?), much of it looks convincingly like pen and ink or chalk.

[Samanthie]

I love the panda and the drawing of the doll is very good.:thumbsup: Lovely shading there.

[batte812]

Hi Johan, sorry i forgot to reply to your reaction; i can't wait for school to start (i never thought i'ld say this)

Intervain: thanks! It takes a bit to figure out the anatomy of animals; but it's basically a lot like drawing humans

Flash: we'll go and have a beer some time with Tarzan, somewhere in the jungle.

Lissandran, thanks. Most of my pencil work is really pencil work. The paintings are all done digitally. I got the idea for the backgrounds from Gangus. He has a great thread on this site. Check it out:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=199&t=458921&page=1&pp=15
I made my own textures, based on images for 3D textures. There are some sites that provide intersting high resolution textures.

Samanthie: thanks for the compliment! I have been working on my shading lately and i'm glad it shows!

I have been doing some more figure drawings:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7763/bartovan292tv8.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8471/bartovan293jl0.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/985/bartovan294dd6.jpg

[NR43]

I got the idea for the backgrounds from Gangus.

yep, I try to do the same with my sketch backgrounds since I read his articles
Keep sketching!

[theflash]

Hey Bart, really nice updates. You have done a nice job in gesture drawings. My only comment is that I think in some drawings head is too big for the figure.

[rdsarna]

Hi bartovan!
Great stuff here.....
Really inspiring work! These gesture sketches look really alive.......
The animal studies also look good....the panda is cute :D

Looking forward to seeing more stuff from you......

Tke Cre
Ratul

[batte812]

Hi Johan, indeed an inspiring thread by Gangus!

Hi Flash, you are right about the heads - some of them are too big. Thanks for pointing that out.

Hi Rdsarna, i'm glad you like my works.


Her is another experiment with backgrounds; the drawing has some issues - but i like how it turned out in the end...

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1207/bartovan295gh4.jpg

[Samanthie]

Great updates Bart! Nice linework. I like the bg on your latest drawing. It has a nice painterly look to it. The drawing itself may be off as you said but it has a bit of wimsy to it that suits it. Maybe a little fading where the wrists and thighs end.

[batte812]

Hi Debbie , thanks for the nice comment. Indeed i should have done a little fading; i should spend more time to these details.

Here's some more figure drawing, pencil on paper that went through photoshop:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/504/bartovan297cj7.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4149/bartovan296xu8.jpg

[theflash]

Hey Bart, I love the way you give touches with photoshop. I love the middle figure in the first one and last figures in second one. The first figures looks really skinny to me. I love the tilted head as well, really nice, though neck looks a little thin to me. Really nice stuff Bart. I also feel to do some photoshop work on my drawings, seein your work.

[lilirious]

Hi Bart,

tnx for stopping by my thread :) I've been going through your sketchbook and I think your painter and animal drawings are very good! And the panda is very cute :)

keep at it :)

[batte812]

Hi Flash, thanks for the nice comment. Yes it is great fun to work with those backgrounds in PS. It takse some time to make them, but it can do a lot for the image.

Hi Elnaz, thanks!

Here are some more drawings:


Anatomy - figure drawing:

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7683/bartovan298al9.jpg

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7440/bartovan299fy5.jpg

A horse:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/597/bartovan302ep5.jpg

And my ongoing struggle with perspective and vehicle desing (from picture reference):

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8413/bartovan301bn6.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3971/bartovan300lw8.jpg

[theflash]

Hi Bart, nice updates. I really like the contour study of the skull. I like the gesture of the horse as well but it looks more like just silhouette.

[Samanthie]

Hey Bart, great studies. :) Nice horse..very freestyle, looks ancient. I like your linework very much on the figures on paper.

[batte812]

Maulik: thanks; the horse is just a rough study - i didn't want to destroy the loosenes of the lines by overdoing it in rendering.

Debbie: thanks; the background make it look a bit like a cavepainting.

I have said befor that i would practice oil painting; i've don a lot of experiments and here is a first painting worth showing:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6331/bartovan303cp8.jpg

[Samanthie]

Hey Bart, that is really good. I like this because of the mood it has and your treatment on the water and trees in the bg. Great first oil painting!

[theflash]

Wow Bart, it's a really nice painting. I really like it. I would love to see more oil paintings from you :)

[pushav]

Nice stuff in here.

[NR43]

Hey wow!
Was this painted on location? Where is this? :)

Really great job on the water!
I too hope to see more oil paintings from you.

[batte812]

Hi Debbie, thanks! It's not my first oil painting though - just the first i want to show!

Hi Maulik, more paintings coming up...

Thanks Pushav!

Hi Johan, i made this from a reference picture. This oil painting is really slow: i do one layer and then i have to wait until it's dry befor i can make adjustments. It would be hard to work on loation like that.
Here is the ref picture i used:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/1571/bartovan304cq2.jpg

And here are some more paintings - WIP. I still have a lot of work on these ones:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6273/bartovan305ws1.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4126/bartovan307ph7.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ...Bart...:)

I like what you are doing with the oils ...Great medium to master..:)
One thing that you might try when doing these paintings, is to search out your key color first...The key color is a color that runs throughout the scene, and acts like a unifying color element in the painting..like in the painting your working on with the boat in it, at sunset...Your key color would be the orange/peach color. Mix up a batch of that peach color, so that it is thin and transparent, and then tint the whole scene using that key color...let it dry...then when you paint with your other purples ect., they will have some of that key color , under them, shining through...you can also add that key color as a thin glaze on top of your other colors....This technique when mastered will unify your colors, and creat a luminous effect in your painting, making your painting and colors radiant,..which is what happens durning the peak moment of a great sunset or rise..Just one technique among many used to capture that magicial effect...thought it worth mentioning, in case you weren't aware of it yet..:)
Anyway ...Great to see you exploring oils,...they can't be beat ..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[NR43]

Thanks Bart for explaining.
I can't help you with color as I know nearly nothing about it (yet) but I see you are in good hands here :D

btw, go to the Da Vinci Expo in the Basilic of Koekelberg if you get the chance. I went today... was simply blown away! (Just don't go on a sunday, too crowdy, had to stand in line for 45min) If you want to know more about the expo pm me ;)

[batte812]

Hi Glenn, thanks for the explanation! There are so many things i have to learn about oils, but it's great fun to work with.


Hi Johan, yes colors are a challenge. It takes some time to master the basics - and it takes forever to finetune... Thanks for mentioning the expo of Da Vinci; ifound a link on the internet. It's open till March i believe so i still have some ttime to go; i'll probably go during Christmas hollidays.

Here are a few more oil paintings; just some exercises to get a basic technique:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/743/bartovan308jk3.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7753/bartovan310ai7.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2093/bartovan309pk0.jpg

And two more, done in Painter:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9498/bartovan311fh8.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6853/bartovan312um3.jpg

[Samanthie]

I'm enjoying your oils Bart! I like the boat as well, also very nice city scene.

[theflash]

Hi Bart. These are great artworks. I really like all the paintings, my favorite is the one with the boat. It is so expressive and love the warm feeling. The painting above that one looks kind of blurry. Is it just the picture or painting itself looks like that?

[batte812]

Hi Maulik, thanks for the positiv feedback! The blur is only partially caused by the camera. At this stage i try to capture the larger color planes. I don't focus on details too much.

Hi Debbie, thanks for the nice comment!

Here is one more done in Painter. Again some exercises, trying to deal with colors...

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1364/bartovan313ht7.jpg

[batte812]

I've been working some more with real oils. Portraits are a real challenge. So i'll keep on practicing...


http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5629/bartovan314zn4.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9361/bartovan315lk5.jpg


This one is done almost completely with a palette knife...

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3466/bartovan316pi6.jpg

[Samanthie]

Hey Bart, nice work in Painter. Are you planning to develop it further? I like your oils too. I agree portraits are very challenging but you are already getting some nice works. I really like the one you did of the man. Very nice colors used. Maybe the eye on his left is a little small..not sure. You have a nice impressionistic way of painting.

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ...Bart ...:)

I REALLY LIKE that palette knife painting...:applause: :thumbsup:
You might try loading your brushes with thick paint, just like you did with the palette knife, and see if you can achieve the same effect with a brush...Try different types of brushes, hard, soft, flat, round, stiff, , ect..You might use a soft round one for the face, and then a stiff flat one for the cloths...try different combinations...makes your paintigs more exciting to view.. pushing the colors around and into each other like thick cake frosting, just as you did with the palette knife..I once had a painting teacher who taught us to use the oils like that,..when that technique is mastered, you can end up with some really beautiful works.., and it allows you to develope your brush strokes/work in a personal style that is unique to you...kind of like handwriting and your own signature..unique to each person...brush work is the same way as that..just like a fingerprint..no two peoples are alike...Just some passing thoughts that might be of help to you as you explore oils..:)
Keep up the GREAT work and PROGRESS ..Bart....really looking forward to seeing more.
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[batte812]

Hi Debbie, thanks! I agree that the colors in the portrait of the man turned out quite well; i messed up the eye by correcting over and over again - you know how it goes.

I'm not planning to devellop the nude in painter - it was just a quick paint, training the eye, and trying to do as much as possible with a few basic colors.

Hi Glenn, thanks a lot for the tips! It must be great fun to work that way. I'll definitely give it a try very soon.

I have started attending the acedemy for drawing lessons! I should have done that some time ago... Anyway it will definitely be helpful to have a teacher who guides you through the process.

Here are some more digital works; i was trying to do as much as possible with the colors, to suggest depth and shape etc. All from ref pics except for the last, that i base on a painting by Luigi Loir.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3063/bartovan317zq2.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5167/bartovan318xj6.jpg


http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6008/bartovan319oy6.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/487/bartovan320yu7.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8194/bartovan321fu6.jpg

[Samanthie]

Hey Bart, Great new paintings!:) I am partial to the top one. It's very peaceful and has nice depth.

[NR43]

Hey Bart

Thanks for your support...
That's great news, to hear that you are at the academy :D
Hope you will post some of the stuff you do there!

great paintings btw!

[Trunks]

Hi Batte,
on this evniromental paintings... I think they have not much depth. So the nearer something is in you image ... you should use red or yellow ... this are colors of presence. Use blue for the colors far far away ... when you are coming closer to the horizon line try also to get brighter ... so the horizion line is near to white ... you must work with the values and the saturation :)

I hope this helps a little?

Keep at it!
Thomas

[batte812]

Hi Debbie, thanks!

Hi Johan, i hope i will learn a lot at the academy. The other students are beyond the starting level allready so the teacher can go fast. My works are still at the academy but i'll post some stuff soon.

Hi Trunks, thanks for your opinion; i thought i was trying to work with saturation and valus as you described, but i see now i can push it much further. I will work on that.

I've been watching some videos of Glen Vilppu. It's amazin to see how he uses his pencil. So i've been working on my lines a bit more. It was confusing me at the beginning, but i think i'm improving finally. I used a color pencil, it has more friction on the paper so it gives better control.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5093/bartovan322uf4.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8769/bartovan323we8.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6586/bartovan324kw8.jpg

[NR43]

Hey Bart

Vilppu's gesture DVD was a revelation to me too (I guess to many)...
I'm really fond of these last few sketches... much happening there and really good control shows

Lovely!

[batte812]

Hi Johan, thanks - i learned a lot from Vilppu that's for sure.
Here is one of my works i did at school. It's a typical assignment, done with charcoal:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6875/bartovan200dt7.jpg

And a few drawings done with color pencil:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2857/bartovan326fv6.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2020/bartovan327da9.jpg

[lilirious]

amazing work on the oils (especially the first one :D) and I agree with Johan, the last sketches are very dynamic :) Keep it up :)

[batte812]

Hi Elnaz, thanks for the reply; i'll work further in that direction.


Here are some more figure drawings and some cows. Color pencil on paper, background added in PS. Hope you like.


http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2950/bartovan328ui8.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5374/bartovan329yp2.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7103/bartovan331uv9.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6279/bartovan330mc6.jpg

[NR43]

it seems cows are "in" lately :)
great sketches

how is school going btw?
are you enjoying it?
what is being taught in your year?
just curious :)

[batte812]

Hi Johan, school is going well. I am learning a lot of new things. The most important is working with charcoal and working on a A1 sheet. It takes some time to get used to it. We are doing a lot of still lifes right now, with a focus on perspective and measuring. Some are in pencil, others with color pencil, and the rest in charcoal. I am doing a lot of exercises i wouldn't do at home and it's interesting to learn with other people, to herar their opinion and to see how they progress as well.

Here's a little exercise, done with red, yellow and blue color pencils (a warm variant and a cold one from each), no black or grey or green...



http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5079/bartovan332hi4.jpg

[Samanthie]

Hi Bart, really lovely work on the apples. I work with colored pencils and I like how you got the colors to blend so nicely and still have a great texture! I think your cows are cute. What really stands out to me is your sketch of the pumpkins. Nice charcoal work!
The face of the woman sitting next to the door in pink pencil could use a little more definition and her foot in relation to the leg/shin seems as if it needs to turn inward more. Your gesture drawings in red (your Glen Vilppu studies) are very well done!:thumbsup:

[batte812]

Hi Debbie, thanks for your comment. I"m glad you like the charcoal work - charcoal is relatively new to me so i still have to practice more with it, but it's an interesting medium.


Her is some more work from art academy. We learned to work with conte crayons (whinte, black and two shades of brown). The paper is white paper colored with bistre (a brownish powder solved in water). It is a cheap and easy way to make colored paper.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4281/bartovan335xs9.jpg

Studies from a plaster cast:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3276/bartovan333ne5.jpg

And some more home work: anatomy studies, pencil on paper, treated in Photoshop:


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1633/bartovan336ix4.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4016/bartovan337rf3.jpg

[batte812]

Time for another update! Some more figure drawing, color pencil on paper:


http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5913/bartovan338kb0.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8449/bartovan339kq4.jpg


http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9657/bartovan340cy0.jpg

[batte812]

--double post---

[batte812]

Some work done with color pencil (only used yellow, blue and yellow; even for the shadows)


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/863/bartovan342un4.jpg

Plaster cast:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6651/bartovan341yq9.jpg

And some practice at figure drawing (from ref pic)


http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7577/bartovan344bq8.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9900/bartovan343zi5.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4820/bartovan345jq7.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ..Bart..:)

Just stopping by to see what you've been up to lately...:)
I really like the conte crayon study of the hand bag...came out GREAT:applause:
Also really like the apples and coke cans...would be nice studies to do in oils, now that you have the feel for those subjects...just a passing thought..:)
Keep up the figure studies...you are getting a pretty good feel for those also...you might try doing a couple of characters from real life also...just a little something/action/relaxed gesture, or whatever,... that you can then put into an oil painting scene/composition..Just something in oils to practice your shading and rendering skills on, in oils...Maybe someone, or even yourself done from/with a mirror, or even better yet, reflexted in a mirror, sitting at a table or whatever, eating an apple and drinking a can of coke..things that you are already familar with...GREAT WAY, to practice with your oils..:)
ANYWAY,...Keep up the great work, and PROGRESS, and keep posting that school work, always a pleasure seeing it...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[Trunks]

Hi,
you have got some great stuff here, I like the most of your images a lot. You have got some nice flow in your lines and a nice way to shade. The blue figures are looking very nice :)

Keep it up!

[batte812]

Hi Glenn, thanks for the reply! I'm glad you like my school works. I don't have the occasion to paint too much for now: it's a bit cold in my workshopduring the winter, so i'll have to let it rest for a while. As you can see i discovered pastells to explore some more colors. So i continue to explore the matter.

Hi Trunks, thanks! I've been working a lot on my linework - i'm glad to hear it's improving.

Here are some more works from school:


Still life done with pencil:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2927/bartovan347ub7.jpg

Some oranges; pastell

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1152/bartovan348jj2.jpg

This was done with charcoal powder resolved in terpentine. It smelss terrible but it gives some interesting results. I used various painting brushes to put it on. Details were added afterwards with an ordinary charcoal stick.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5607/bartovan346pv0.jpg

[batte812]

Time for another update! I had the chance to attend a figure drawing class at the academy at the end of last year - so finally some real live figure drawing! And some more studies...


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7573/bartovan995pn0.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6324/bartovan996gu6.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/886/bartovan997fd1.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2330/bartovan998mt5.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7623/bartovan999fk0.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi ...Bart ..:)

GREAT STUDIES...:thumbsup:
Really like the oranges in pastel...:applause:
The pencel rendering is nice, and also that experiment with charcoal landscape..really like the atmosphere in that one..:thumbsup:
Glad to hear that you are taking a figure drawing class with live models,..can't go wrong there..:)
KEEP UP THE GREAT PROGRESS ...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[fifty3dragons]

I like the recent figure drawing stuff you've posted here. How did you find the class? I've never been to a live figure drawing class before, but would like to try here in the city this winter if possible.

I too really liked the oranges piece as well. Did you enjoy working with pastels? I've dabbled with them a bit, but never with any great success. I get the sense one really needs to know their colour theory pretty well in order to make them work.

[NR43]

Oh man I still have to wait at least 4 months before we start drawing from live models...
We've started working on large format though, which is nice (about 70cm x 100cm).
Seems there are quite some differences between academies...

I really like the purple and blue sketches

[CgIcecube]

Hi batte812 :)
I really like working in different mediums so i am really enjoying going through your sketchbook! Its awesome to see pastels, color pencils, charcoal mixed with terpentine WOOAW:bounce:

blending of pastels is fabulous!!!but it looks tomato to me ;)
and yupps the purple gesture study is very well done!!!
but the live figure drawings look like done in hurry...the strokes the proportions and the construction i see in the purple color gesture study are wondeful and the same is bit missing from live figure studies:curious: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)
Like this stuff is amazing :
And some practice at figure drawing (from ref pic)

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7577/bartovan344bq8.jpg


Keep posting :)

[batte812]

Hi Glenn, thanks! The landscape was done from a ref pic i made myself. I'm glad how it all turned out

Fifty3dragons: the figure drawing sessions are a part of my usual classes. I attend the local academy here, it's two evenings a week and occasionally we have live drawing classes.
I liked working with the pastels. In the beginning we could only work with the three basic colors, red, blue and yellow - each in a warm and a cold varation (that's how i did the apples and the tin cans a few pages back). Use complementary colors to create shadows (do not just add black). Those are a few practical tips to get started.

Hi Johan, yes there seem to be serious differences in academies. In our classes there is not much difference between the years. Only the first year is a bit apart from the rest, but sometimes we do the same assignments. Fortunately we could join the model drawing session.


Hi CgIcecube, thanks for the comment. The colors of the oranges are a bit off;
The poses in the live drawing classes are only 10 to 15 minutes so we have to rus things a bit. And they are done with a graphite pencil instead of the color pencil i use at home. The color pencil has more grip on the paper. And you have to give more pressure to get a line on paper. It seems to work better for me.

I have some more color pencil figures. The last one is from imagination.



http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5047/bartovan994ne1.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8197/bartovan992sj9.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/291/bartovan993qo1.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3052/bartovan991yh6.jpg

[Trunks]

Hey,
I like the first potraits of your last post a lot! They are niceley done! What is the left guy wearing on his head ? This thing looks crazy :D

Keep up the good work!
Thomas

[batte812]

Hi Trunks, thanks! He's wearing some sort of protective glasses or so; looks indeed a bit weird, but that's what was in the ref pic...


Another little update. These are done with a black ballpoint pen. No underdrawing in pencil or so; the exercise helps to learn to think befor i start to draw. Hope you like them!



http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2016/bartovan990vx2.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4553/bartovan988io1.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2595/bartovan989za9.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1797/bartovan987fn7.jpg

[Trunks]

Hi batte ;)
Great drawings with ballpointpen ! I think you should try to concentrate on the body a lot more and not to work on the head/face. Anyway it looks good how it is now ;)
Keep at it!
Thomas

P.S. This ref pic seems to be really strange :D

[batte812]

Hi Thomas, I keep on studying a subject until i get a bit stuck. Then i leave it alone for a while, go back to the anatomy books and start all over again. I hope to refine my skills gradually...
Here is the weird ref pic...

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8375/sample99ry5.jpg

And some more ballpoint pen studies; some shading addedwith pencil here and there

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2202/bartovan353ap6.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4457/bartovan352aj8.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2032/bartovan351td3.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/713/bartovan350oh1.jpg

[Gord-MacDonald]

Damn! - I just love to see this level of energy in a thread - Keep up the good work!

Gord

[batte812]

Hi Gord, thans for the reply!


We have been practicing portraits at school; here are some results:




http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2156/bartovan401pp4.jpg


http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/545/bartovan400kg4.jpg

[batte812]

Some trial and error with conte crayons:


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1585/bartovan410bf7.jpg


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7712/bartovan411hw9.jpg

[aggie93]

Hey that is good. I just got some Col-Erase Pencils I am just diing to try out. That will be my weekend project.

[batte812]

Hi thanks, Aggie, good luck with the col-erase pencils!

High time for an update. A few anatomy studies and some progress in my car design. Still a long way to go...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/726/bartovan413dz2.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4272/bartovan412ch8.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9973/bartovan414ba4.jpg

[MiguelS]

Cool studies, great shapes.
The car is looking pretty good, great perspective, have you checked some of Scott Robertson's dvds from Gnomon? They are a great help in perspective and car drawing.
Keep up the good work. :)

[batte812]

Hi Miguel, thanks for the reply. Yes, i've seen the dvd's of Scott Robertson, and they have been a great help. I'm still practicing to improve my skills.

Here are some more updates:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7227/bartovan415ni2.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7599/bartovan416xr5.jpg


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1501/bartovan417qy8.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4452/bartovan418nf4.jpg

[NR43]

Your figure work is getting stronger and stronger!
Great to see this :)

[MiguelS]

Great figure sketches.
Keep it up.

[Venuscia]

Very strong figure work :) and a great SB

[nightwoodwolf]

those are really very good sketchs

[batte812]

Johan: thanks! I've been doing a lot of perspective studies lately, and they seem to reflect in my figure drawing as well.

Miguel: hi - i will

Venuscia: thanks

Nightwoodwolf: thanks for the nice comment!

Some shape designs; i feel some improvement with the cars i draw, but there is still a lot to learn. And some fun: robots!

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/728/bartovan421cn8.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1970/bartovan419sb0.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7181/bartovan420bm5.jpg

[NR43]

Oh man I really dig that female robot...
I think you should push that design a lil further and make a full digital painting with it!
Would be well worth the effort and a great experience imho :)

[batte812]

Hi, Johan, yes i'm going to take that design a little further; i'll see what i can do with it, maybe do some background as well.

Here are some more pastell works i did a while back at school: a master study after Degas and a still life with glas.



http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5740/bartovan423eo2.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4807/bartovan422va0.jpg

[batte812]

Some experiments with water colors. It's a very difficult medium, but it has great potential once you get the hang of it. I had difficulties capturing the original sparkle with my scanner... Here are some results, size is A5

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/94/bartovan429wd0.jpg

[ceruleanvii]

Really nice work with the pastels, I always loved that medium but so messy!

Very nice figures and gestures too, nice lines, I like the robot designs.

[batte812]

Hi Ceruleanvii, thanks - indeed pastels can be messy. I'm still working on those robot designs.

Here are some perspective drawing exercises: vehicle design after the dvd's from Scott Robertson.


http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8162/bartovan437kw4.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7161/bartovan438an6.jpg

[batte812]

It's been a while since my last update. I had some problems with my right eye (fortunately it's not my dominant eyeà. I had to undergo surgery. But all is better now, it will take some time befor the sight is completely restored though.

Anyway here are some more recent drawings:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7710/bartovan442fb8.jpg


http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8852/bartovan440xf9.jpg


http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3171/bartovan441tg1.jpg


http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3342/bartovan443jn2.jpg


http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/9574/bartovan444tk9.jpg

[sycen]

Just want to say, hope you'll fully recover soon and get back to the drawing board. :)

[Rebeccak]

Awww, I'm sorry to hear about your surgery - but hopefully it helped you, best wishes on a speedy recovery!

[batte812]

Thanks for the support, Rebecca and Sycen! I had a checkup last week and everything was healing well. The sight is still deformed and it will take some months befor it will restore completely. But i have good hope that it will


http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/56/bartovan451ic1.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7929/bartovan445nj0.jpg


http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5409/bartovan449ow4.jpg

[aggie93]

Wow batte, eye surgery is scary. I had angle reconstruction surgery seven weeks ago. I just cannot walk good now. I cannot imagine not being able to see even without perspective. Hope you get better, it looks like it hasn't affected your art.

[Sky_Eagle]

Hey , an other Belgian :)
I like the last 2 faces and the car has a very nice/correct perspective.

[batte812]

Hi Aggie, yes, eye surgery is scary. It was not my dominant eye so that was the good part. Anyway things are improving steadily so it won't be too bad in the end. Hope you are doing better!

Hi Sky_Eagle: nog 'nen Belg! Thanks for the nice words. It's not easy to get the perspective right on those cars. Takes a lot of basic perspective exercices, but i believe it's worth it in the end.

Here are some more drawings; trying to loosen up my linework...

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4295/bartovan455qp9.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/574/bartovan452rj9.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6264/bartovan454ng7.jpg

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3605/bartovan453em9.jpg

[Lexalotacus]

I really like how your figures flow proportionally, and Im jealous of how well you draw hands!
Great work Batte, keep it up man!

[aggie93]

Hey batt - I am walking. I am a cyclist and I have been slowly getting back on my bike. I rode 10 miles with my son at a bike rally this weekend. I think I over did it though. I really like you gestural works there. I think you lines are loose. I need to practice the same thing. Keep up the good work.

[batte812]

Hi Lexalotacus, thanks!


Thanks Aggie. I'm glad to here you are doing better. Keep it up.

Some updates:

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2695/bartovan459ro7.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1262/bartovan458xj5.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6143/bartovan457sv4.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7484/bartovan456ui8.jpg

[batte812]

A little update...




http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7606/bartovan460wg8.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3413/bartovan461fu8.jpg


http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2606/bartovan462he3.jpg

[NR43]

Hey Bart

nice update.
You are still going to the academy I hope?
Wish you'd post more of your school work :D

[batte812]

Hi Hohan, yes i started the new schoolyear at the academy. We had to pin most of our works on the wall for display so that's why i am a bit late with my school work. Here is the first set. We have been working with insects, inspired by a certain artist (forgot his name: it was Brey or something). I used ink, bistre and conté crayons on old paper:


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9149/bartovan463tt3.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1355/bartovan464lg9.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4900/bartovan465ry3.jpg

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/35/bartovan466mx9.jpg

[NR43]

WOW

I hate insects in real life (I'm actually scared of them) but I love these!!
The idea of drawing them on these old book papers is something very cool...

Great to hear you are continuing school!
take care

[batte812]

Hi Johan, i don't like insects too much either. You get a different view when you spend an evening looking at them through a magnifying glass trying to draw them. Here are some more attempts (from a ref pic this time). Watercolor and ink in one study the other color pencil and ink


http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5251/bartovan467hi2.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2116/bartovan468ro2.jpg

[Aviva]

Heya Batte,

Great work on the arachnids and insects! It's amazing how studying the creepy crawlies can make you feel less creeped out by them. I wasn’t fond of bugs until I studied them under a microscope. Now I save my cringes for poisonous spiders only.

I hope your eye is fully recovered! I look forward to seeing more of your work. :)

[NR43]

Argh Tessa I'm too scared of them to study them! :argh:
Yesterday a bee flew into our living room and I was hiding in the bedroom until my girlfriend had taken it outside...:blush:

I can kill dino's and monsters but I'm shittin my pants when it comes to insects... I'm such a freak lol

Anyway, thanks for the advise Bart and Tessa, I will try to overcome my fear... soon (LOL)

[batte812]

Hi Tessa, thanks for the reply! My eye is recovering weel; still some deformations and it's going to take a few more months befor it is completely heale, but i have good hopes.Hi Johan, you really should try to overcome your fear, if it's that bad! Anyway, no more insects for now in my SB.
I have been studying the belgian painter Michaël Borremans a bit. The heads are taken from his work and i made up the composition myself, influenced by Borremans.
Hope you like...

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3240/bartovan470mx7.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3512/bartovan469sb5.jpg

[konrad11]

You arachnids and insects are impressive. Realy. Mayby I`ll try to draw sth like this once, cos I find it as very intresting subject.

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi...BART

I like your latest gesture studies..your line is getting a nice flow to it.
Maybe try to create little two and three figure compositions with your figures, having them interact and react with each other as you do these gesture studies...This exercise will strenthen your eye for composition as you progress with your line work...When you get a composition that is pleasing to your eye, maybe turn it into a digital painting, or even a traditional pastel, like that DEGAS one you did a couple of pages back in here ...Just a couple of passing thoughts as I was going through your sketchbook..thought them worth mentioning.
I also enjoyed those insects...I used to collect every bug I could catch when I was a kid..I had a huge collection..LOL,..AND I ALSO DID ALOT OF DRAWINGS AND STUDIES FROM THEM.
Anyway, keep up the GREAT progress...A real pleasure to see it.
TAKE CARE
Glenn

[batte812]

Konrad, thanks. Insects have interesting shapes, so it is a very good exercice in perspective.

Glenn, thanks for the kind words; it is indeed a good exercice to draw more than one figure. And it is a challenge too: there is less room for correction once ou laid out the first figure. Here are some of my trials:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8036/bartovan473ln6.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/76/bartovan472ul2.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2323/bartovan471xh5.jpg

[anandpg]

Hey Bart! Awesome stuff over-all!!:thumbsup: I love the bugs and the vehicle thumbhnails.. The two-figure drawings seem a very interesting thing to do! I think I will try it!

[batte812]

Hi Anand, thanks for the encouragement!

Here are some more doodles and things:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1380/bartovan474ve3.jpg


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3479/bartovan475qy3.jpg

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/880/bartovan476pa4.jpg


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6854/bartovan477py4.jpg

[batte812]

Some more perspective exercices with my blue pencil and a car from ref pic; all done freehand except for the ellipses in the car:



http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3372/bartovan480wz7.jpg


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3356/bartovan479gn0.jpg


http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9413/bartovan478lo4.jpg


http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8796/bartovan481la0.jpg

[Vidar3d]

Hey I just came across your sketchbook. Really great stuff. It was really great to watch your draftsmanship improve over time. Keep up the good work.

[batte812]

Hi Vidar, thanks! The secret is to keep on practicing...

Here is a portrait done from life - charcoal and white conte

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6080/bartovan482zx4.jpg

[batte812]

High time for another update: the portrait is based on a ref pic from a statue. Some robots and a car:


http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7296/bartovan483zu7.jpg


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8066/bartovan485mr8.jpg


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9852/bartovan486fv7.jpg


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7049/bartovan484ty5.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/290/bartovan487ly2.jpg

[batte812]

I did some more anatomy studies; main purpose was to improve my linework here:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4171/bartovan491ud5.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/127/bartovan489yi0.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3563/bartovan490sz9.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3852/bartovan493zd4.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4085/bartovan488zo4.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3967/bartovan492zj0.jpg

[NR43]

Awesome work buddy!
Still attending school, I hope?
Any life figure drawings yet?

[alenah]

.. nice updates,
just a little tip - for improving/practicing the linework - there are also very simple exercises that may do a real magic: drawing the simpliest shapes possible - elipses, waves etc..
a.

[batte812]

Hi Johan, thanks. Yes still going to school two evenings a week. There are some life drawing lessons planned later on; as for now we only had a few portrait lessons with a model.


Hi Alenah, thanks for the tip! I was already doing some ellipses to warm up - but now i pay more attention to the linework. And i added a bunch of new patterns. I'll post some next time.

[batte812]

A little update: my linework exercises:


http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6195/bartovan500co2.jpg

Some hand studies after Hogarth:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2064/bartovan494np3.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8376/bartovan495gl3.jpg

And a few figures from ref pics:


http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2996/bartovan496ip0.jpg

[batte812]

Some more pencil work...

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6441/bartovan497qr6.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7337/bartovan499pb6.jpg


And a few doodles from imagination:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8656/bartovan498di8.jpg

[batte812]

Some more car drawing from ref pics:


http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8581/bartovan503qn3.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4535/bartovan504hg6.jpg

This one was done after a concept sketch:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4427/bartovan505mj2.jpg

And a few figures from ref pics:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2017/bartovan501qk4.jpg

[Heozart]

Hi Bart,

Great sketchbook! I just saw every page all the way to page 1, and I could really tell the improvements you have made over last couple of years. :thumbsup: I really like your animal, insect, and robot sketches. The hand studies on this page are great, too.

I wondered why some of your skulls had a thin band around them. At first, I assumed they must have been a guildeline of sort to help you get the roundness of the skull. Well, I found my answer in the first page. May I suggest leaving out that seam in your future studies, as most of our skulls don't open up like the one from your references? I think it draws a lot of unnecessary attention, and the ones without it looks more natural, imo.

Looking forward to seeing more, keep it up. :)

[batte812]

Hi Heozart, thanks for the reply! You're right about the skull, i just copied the reference picture; it would be more elegant to leave that cut line out.

Here is a little airplane:
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5619/bartovan506.jpg

In the vening school we had to work around black and white animal patterns:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9170/bartovan508.jpg

And some snow landscapes (traditional watercolor and ink):

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7440/bartovan509.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5969/bartovan510.jpg

[batte812]

Some more figure drawings from ref pics and... my markers have arrived! Did a few exercises to try them. Hope you like!

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5094/bartovan515.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6404/bartovan516.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9679/bartovan513.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8268/bartovan511.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8572/bartovan512.jpg

[batte812]

Some life figure drawings, 10 minute poses...

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2663/bartovan520.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/776/bartovan519.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3970/bartovan518.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2803/bartovan517.jpg

[NR43]

Hey Bart nice to see these figure studies.
I really like those watercolor/ink landscapes!
Beautiful!

[batte812]

Hi Johan, glad you like the landscapes!

Here are some mor cars:
These are frome ref pics and from imagination:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2525/bartovan522.jpg

And these are from the Scott Robertson DVD:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6062/bartovan521.jpg