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Sanctuary
01-20-2003, 09:16 PM
i want to buy a new card ... but right now i must choose between this to types of card, so ... which one ?

the card will be "upgraded" to quadro and it will be used with Maya and PS

any detailed reply will be very usefull

tkx

Speed Racer
01-20-2003, 09:24 PM
"Upgraded" or not, a Quadro4 380 XGL will be faster than both of these and about the same price.

Sanctuary
01-20-2003, 10:15 PM
well the 2 cards i mentioned are around 100$ ... Quadro4 380 XGL is around 250$ ...

quite a difference right?

David Watters
01-20-2003, 10:41 PM

David Watters
01-20-2003, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Sanctuary
i want to buy a new card ... but right now i must choose between this to types of card, so ... which one ?

the card will be "upgraded" to quadro and it will be used with Maya and PS

any detailed reply will be very usefull

tkx

As mentioned, the Quadro4 380 XGL would be a better choice than either of these. If your work is high end enough to require shader capability on the GPU than the Quadro4 700 XGL is the better choice. Both of which are supported and certified with Maya.

Sanctuary
01-20-2003, 11:00 PM
well i`m forced to use a GeForce card as a Quadro because i don`t have the money to buy a real one ... :rolleyes:

belive if i would have the money i`ll go for a Quadro card ... but i don`t have it ... so i`m forced to use that i can. :hmm:

thx for the detalis

Sanctuary
01-20-2003, 11:03 PM
one more question ...

wich one do you recomand ?

David Watters
01-20-2003, 11:06 PM

loop29
01-20-2003, 11:09 PM
You should go with what David posted, the later product is the GF4 MX with better Output quality, on the other hand the GF4 Ti4200 would fit in there as well...and David .... honestly I like nvidia cards, but the fact is that a Softquadroed GF4 Ti will better fit your needs in terms of price/performance ratio. The HW acclerated lines is not that urgent in these times, I always work in shaded mode and that 2 sided lightning is not supported with softquadro is just a driver issue that could be solved by Unwinder, but I guess he doesn´t want to


regards

Sanctuary
01-20-2003, 11:12 PM
You are not able to justify $50 more for the 380 XGL and its reduction in support costs and lost productivity?

good question ....

BUT, i don`t have that 50$ right now ... here i work one mouth for 300$ (if i`m DAMN lucky) ... so for me $50 is not cheap unfortunately

David Watters
01-20-2003, 11:21 PM

Sanctuary
01-20-2003, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by David Watters
How easy is it to ship something there?

what do you mean by "easy" ?

David Watters
01-20-2003, 11:28 PM

Sanctuary
01-20-2003, 11:31 PM
have no idea, really ... :bounce:

David Watters
01-21-2003, 08:46 AM
Wait a sec...

Did you buy Maya?

Sanctuary
01-21-2003, 09:01 AM
well ... right now i`m doing freelance as programmer/scripter ... Maya is a painful (but nice) hobby and i can`t afford to buy it, so i`m using it just for learning, maybe i`ll find a better job in the future :bounce:

when i will start using Maya professionally i`ll buy it for certain

waterhoo
01-21-2003, 09:09 AM
GF3-TI500, GAINWARD TI3500 ::))

David Watters
01-21-2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Sanctuary
well ... right now i`m doing freelance as programmer/scripter ... Maya is a painful (but nice) hobby and i can`t afford to buy it, so i`m using it just for learning, maybe i`ll find a better job in the future :bounce:

when i will start using Maya professionally i`ll buy it for certain
Be sure you grab Maya PLE. That is exactly what it is for.

Sanctuary
01-21-2003, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by David Watters
argh.

Be sure you grab Maya PLE. That is exactly what it is for.

already have PLE ... :) but i don`t like the mel support :p

Sanctuary
01-21-2003, 11:30 AM
as i told before i have Maya PLE but i`m not using it ... indeed PLE is intended for learning purposes, but is quite different.

i`m sure i do no harm to AW by learning ... right now i`m working as a programmer/scripter and i think i have a idea about the volume of work involved in Maya software.

i`m a honest person and i respect the work of all those programmers who made a such nice piece of software.

i`ll will not use Maya professionally unless i pay for my license.

David Watters
01-21-2003, 04:55 PM

Sanctuary
01-21-2003, 07:03 PM
yeah ... well i`m really sorry for that ... :rolleyes:

Andrezj
01-23-2003, 01:46 PM
yeah ... well i`m really sorry for that ...

Well Sanctuary, I believe there is no reason for you to feel sorry. You're not robbing anyone. You're addapting to a harsh situation.

David,

I think you understood Sanctuary's situation but allow me to clear up things a bit.
In Romania and other countries that formed the former comunist block, wages are incredibly low. It is true, during the last 6 years or so the situation began to improve but still the minimum legal salary is about $70 (I didn't miss any zero, it's seventy US dollars). Now, there are quite many that earn even less but for obvious reasons I will not speak of them.
Most graphic designers in Romania earn between $200 and $400. $400 is considered to be a very good salary. There are some graphic designers (most working in the Desktop Publishing field) that make up to $600. Salaries ranging from $600 to $1200 are normally the privillege of game designers, lead programmers, project leaders and art directors in the advertising field. But these are really RARE cases.
Let's consider a good graphic designer who gets let's say... $300 (and that's a lucky one). A monthly rent costs at least $50 (if you don't wish to live in a fridge box that is). Additional house spendings ( at least $50). Phone bill (at least $20). Food & CO. (at least $100). I did not count any health related or basic entertaining expenses and I reached $220.
Now, you should not regard this post as a pathetic cry or something. My intention was to explain that buying a $150
380 XGL (not to mention a Gf4 Ti 4600) is not child play in here.
Obviously time travel seems a mere challenge compared to buying a Maya license in Romania. Some companies can afford it, but an individual? Never.
So I believe that guys that use this software for their demo reel or personal projects should be understood. They have absolutely no choice. Ofcourse they could forget CGI and begin a career as sheep herders but I think I'm going too far with this discussion.


Best regards,
Andrezj

Sanctuary
01-23-2003, 08:29 PM
tkx for the support Andrezj ... seems that you knew the situation of many of us very well

tkx again

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