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Rebeccak encouraged me to do this, so blame her! :)
I hope to receive feedback, so if you can think of anything to say, please do. I'll take crits, applauses, curses... ANYTHING!
And heres some heads from this (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031&page=1&pp=15) awesome thread (trying to reach 50 in a month):
Working on this one digital pic again. Now this is the thing I need the most help with so please point me in the right direction.
07-23-2006, 02:00 PM
Welcome aboard! :) Great to see you put up your Sketchbook, and I look forward to seeing your progress here!
It's obvious you have a great focus and committment to understanding the human figure. May I ask you to tell us a bit about your art training and background? :)
If you wish I can paintover your digital piece and make some recommendations. But I generally don't do paintovers without the artist's permission first. :)
A Workshop series we have on the forum which I really encourage you to participate in is the Open Figure Drawing Workshop series, in which artists over the course of 2~4 weeks draw, paint, or sculpt (either traditionally and / or digitally) from Reference photos or from Master Works. The OFDWs are very similar to the 50 Portraits thread except that the emphasis is on finish of a single piece or pieces rather than quantity of images. :)
Links to the best of the OFDWs can be found here, in our SPOTLIGHT area of the forum:
Links to all OFDW SPOTLIGHT Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3462029&postcount=1)
Links to the full OFDW threads can be found here:
Open Figure Drawing Workshops with Hong Ly and Rebecca Kimmel (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2602753&postcount=3)
The next OFDW will run shortly after August 4th or 5th. I encourage you to subscribe to this thread to receive email notification of when new Workshops / Tutorials start here on the Anatomy Forum: :)
Notification of New Open Figure Drawing Workshops / + TUTORIALS - SUBSCRIBE HERE! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=379951)
Got a bit further with this:
Thank you Rebeccak! I sent you an pm, but if anyone else is intterested, yes you can do paintovers of my work. If someone has the time an strength to do that, I'll be very grateful.
I'm sure you ask everyone about their background :)
Heh, still, as you were kind enough to ask:
I'm a Finnish comic artist, with someting like 5-6 years experience (in that time I have drawn in magazines that have puplished my work. Of course I have drawn alot longer).
At the moment I'm working on this:
Its a bigger version of my 20 pages long album LUPUS, witch you can read here (http://www.karetar.net/lupus/kansi.htm) (its in Finnish thought, but the dialogue sucks so you won't miss much, its in poetic form).
The story is about a boy who has a head of a wolf, its based in a parallel universe, in country alot like Finland in the middle ages (but I have mixed some viking, cristian, hindu, buddhist and asian mythology in too).
The new album is supposed to be about 80 pages long, and I have talked with a publisher about... err.. publishing it :)
There is some (not mutch) more info in my Homepages (http://www.karetar.net) if someone is intterested.
You have pretty nice studies dude!
Keep it up man! =D
Thanks BNN! Actually I was just watching your sketchbook :)
Made a new head:
07-23-2006, 10:40 PM
great work :thumbsup: hope to see more
07-23-2006, 11:18 PM
Great work Jho, posting sketchbook :bounce: You have some cool drawings and obviously a good sense of humour too, which is great :).
A thought.... do you do most of your drawings straight from your imagination? or do you work from other images, photos... stuff like that? A good way to loosen up and get movement to flow in action type drawings is to do a whole heap of quick sketches from life... (30s - 1min) watching people in movement - some friends can be more than willing to pose ;) You are obviously studying the body and proportions, which is great.
Really like your wolf boy (LUPUS) cover... a lot happening and some great images
Keep it up :)
cheers :) a.
07-24-2006, 09:42 PM
yeah, you`re doing well, jho, keep it going dude......you have a good imagination and you seem to really want to learn which is the main thing, in fact you`ll probably have that all the rest of your artistic life.....
anyway, keep it up dude, i`ll keep an eye out for your thread...
These are from imagination, right? I recognize the ones from Loomis. Pretty good thing to start with. I do think you'll learn more by copying master's works or photos. It lets you understand the form better. But keep up with the drawings from imagination, they're a very good thing too. And be sure to participate in the workshops, Rebecca does great thing with them, an excellent way of learning :thumbsup: Keep updating!
As some have asked, yes I draw from my imagination. I have disliked drawing from life and most of all copying for a long time. It just felt like cheating :)
But now many have encouraged me to start to draw from life, so I think I'm going to start doing it.
Thank you all for advice and support, I really need it :)
07-25-2006, 02:05 AM
I did a quick paintover for your piece, hope this helps:
Your original piece:
Grayscale version, enlarged the canvas size, heightened the tree, and scaled down the proportion of the head relative to the body:
Began adding color by means of the layer palette's Color Modes; this method can be used to get a rough base, then pure painting can be done on top (Stahlberg describes this painting method in depth here (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html)):
Hope this helps! :)
Yes, thanks alot Rebeccak!!
I read the tutorial you sent too, seemed good, but I don't tking I really understood all of it perfectly. I guess I'll just keep trying, and bugging you, and other experts here 'till I get it :D
The big head part I was aware of already, I'm trying to iron that away with the help of Loomis and tutorials in here and conceptart.
But was the main point to make the picture firs in black and white?
And then coloring on top of it?
And I have no idea of how to use different brushes, I only managed to make my brush a little oval. But saturation, hue... The itch studios helped me to get what those things mean, but after that I'm a bit confused.
But thanks alot, really. That was really nice of you to do the paintover. Please stop by some other time to see if I have improved at all :)
Something new... I have been a bit sick (and depressed) and haven't drawn any more, but today I did, here you go:
And a few new heads to the anatomy thread, I really got to try and keep up, time is running out :)
07-31-2006, 02:03 PM
Hey again Jho :)
Hope you are feeling better.... :) and good to see you back again!
These sketches look great! you have some really cool ideas :) Keep it up :bounce:
cheers a. :wavey:
Came up with this just now. I have been dreaming of drawing for Marvel some day, maybe it*ll come true if I try hard enough :)
Female anatomy today, or not correct kind a way anatomy... I was just thinking that if I want to be a comic artist, I have to master drawing sexy women. So I was studying what makes certain women look sexy.
I don't know if I succeeded, but I learned something I guess.
One thing I was thinking was the jaw, usually women that are supposed to look atractive, have a pointy jaw. But I sometimes notice really beautiful women with a wide jaw.
Pffff. plah plah, like I would know anything that I'm doing :)
here are the pics, :
Hi all. I'm back from Germany, and I have some new sketches... Here they are:
08-08-2006, 02:20 PM
Good to see more of your work! :) I hope you are feeling better, certainly all artists go through some down periods, that's just a part of being us. :)
One thing I would really recommend doing is life drawing if you can. Are there any places near you that offer life drawing sessions? If not, Master Copies are the next best thing, and are, in some cases, better exercises than life drawing. I recommend really going after these head studies in a seriously focused way, and worrying less about number than quality. Maybe choose three or four that you really like and do some extended studies of them. :)
Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)
Some new cketches:
From my comic, used new abilities provided by Loomis :D :
08-12-2006, 06:56 PM
good, good, perspective is important!
lovely hand in the second piece of the last post.
08-13-2006, 09:40 AM
Hiya Jho :)
Good to see you are back posting :) keep it up, it's all about practice and having fun while you do it :)
I don't understand much Finish... but I do know what Perkele means... made me laugh :D
Made a little tutorial (http://karetar.net/luonnokset/perstuto/) about figures in perspective, if anyones intterested. And heres a new sketch.
Both owe Loomis a big deal :)
By the way. Thanks Frej and Rebecca, I really appreciate your comforting words, this things are just the kind I find hard to talk to friends and even if I do I don't feel like I'm being understood correctly.
I'm just trying to find my place in the world, and it would be alot easier if I had chosen to be a engeneer or a buss driver :)
Its really comforting to know there are others, even a bit like me.
A few new.
I was thinking if someone could tell me where I'm standing?
I mean, I don't really have a clue, wether I'm ready to start sending out samples to Marvel, White wolf etc. Or in desperate need of studying, before I can even dream of something like that.
I have never studied art, so Internet is the only place where I see other peoples work, and it seems I'm far behind.
But I'd still like to know wether I stand a change to work as a concept artist or an illustartor with my current skills, and if not, what do I mostly have to consentrate on.
Put some new heads in the anatomy thread:
Did some Marvel characters again:
Tried to give this a sense of movement, I'm not 100% happy with the result, but I think it turned out fine.
I can't pinpoint the error in this one, is it the leg weight is on? Something is slowening the kick...
But I think I did ok with the anatomy, for such a hard position anyways...
I just browsed through your nice sketchbook.
I absolutely loved the heads in those panels on page 2. Tight work there.
on page one you asked
But was the main point to make the picture firs in black and white?
And then coloring on top of it?
I haven't seen this answered for you so I'll give it a shot:
- colour consists of hue saturation and value
- when you concentrate on b/w first all that is left is value
- value constitutes light and form - if values are not correct, hue and saturation won't save you
- by getting those straight first you do the most important things first
- then you paint on another layer set to mode "color"
- the colours you choose ignore the value you chose in the color picker, but receive this parameter from the underlying layer with the b/w painting thus keeping the values of your study
- when the values are right, you can choose about any hue and the painting will come out right.
See zhuzhu's anatomy thread to find this put to masterful use...
I am not a comics expert, but I would say the main point that strikes my eye is proportions and foreshortening. As a comic artist you wuold also have to have a very detailed knowledge of anatomy in order to know exactly which aspects to simplify and how. At the moment some of your simplifications work and some do not.
the sketch with spidey and a villain features working simplifications while the one below with the woman kicking sort of oversimplifies certain anatomical aspects (face, leg) or just not at the right spots, I don't know.
Keep posting for sure, coz you damn well improved, imo!
EDIT: Damn I cant get rid of the bold type...don't bother...:D
EDIT: huh? Or did I...?:shrug:
First of all Thanks alot Mu!! I have tried to do a couple of pieces with that technic, but I always get frustrated with it and give up, but I'll keep trying and post them whenever I finish something, I will...
I was in Germany just a few weeks ago, I wonder if I saw you :)
And here is some todays sketches, I was practising kicks and punches:
In the last one I took picktures of myself with a webcam and used them as a preference, it was a great help :)
08-23-2006, 12:00 AM
Some lovely work here, it's great to see a more americanised comic style here in the anatomy forums too. You do have a great sense for movement, but I'd say definitely brushing up on the general muscular forms that lie close to the skin and what they look like when tensed would help a great deal, maybe doing some studies from both masters and maybe some more pumped up model photos might help! Though your linework and gestural quality is good thus far.
08-23-2006, 12:41 AM
nice dynamic images, much energy in it. not much to crit, keep studying!
I think theres already a lot of progress in this thread! :D
Zephyri: Thank you, just the field I'm trying to conquest, so the positive feedback feels really nice :D
I know I still got alot to learn about muscles, actually I'm posting some studies in this post :)
But I'm actually reaching a style with no supernatural muscles, maybe something a bit like JR JR or a bit John Byrneisch :), perhaps little cubick too. Meaning that even if I ever made it to Marvel etc. drawing comics, I wouldn't want to do the usual building sized muscles and other stuff of that sort.
Cyanid: Cyan? The Coen from conceptart by any chance? :)
Thanks alot anyways. The main reason I started this sketchbook was to get something that would force me to sketch and make progress in the err. progress :)
Dodged drawing my comic, and did sketches instead, lazy as I am :/
I'm always unsure while painting digitally, and don't ever post digital pieces, but I guess that is unwise, because that is the field I need most help in, so here is a practise I did a minute ago, its not anything special, I just hope to get some critics in hope of improving:
Been sick for the past week and unable to draw (I promised my wife not to :rolleyes: ). But now I'm all better and started sketching again tonight:
09-04-2006, 07:22 PM
For digital painting, I really encourage you to check out and try the exercise summarized here:
TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)
There is a link to the SPOTLIGHT images from this former Workshop as well which you can browse through for inspiration.
I highly recommend that beginning digital artists explore grayscale. It's really important to understand value before color - it's the critical link between drawing and painting. :)
09-10-2006, 11:45 PM
Hiy Jho :)
Been a while since I popped in, good to see you are posting and back from being sick... :)
good head studies, looking at different angles :thumbsup: And I think it's a great idea for you to post more of your digital work here as there are so many experts (obviously not me :D) that can guide you and offer advice along the way.
Keep it up and enjoy!
Thanks alot Rebecca and Frejasphere!
I have been trying digital painting a bit lately, and I think I'm improving a little.
If I ever finish anything, I'll post it, but untill then:
More heads for this thread here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031&page=1&pp=15)
I was going to digipaint this one, any thoughts anyone? Please??
I'll post the final piece if I ever manage to finish it :)
09-11-2006, 06:28 PM
You seem to have a good sence of form and your anatomy is shaping up real fine. Keep on going.
09-12-2006, 05:27 AM
Looks good, can't comment on the digital side of things, but good luck with it, sure it will be a great experience to paint :)
cheers and take care
Glad to have found your thread :)
You seem like a very driven person. As a result of that, your work has tremendously improved!
I was going to digipaint this one, any thoughts anyone? Please??
I'll post the final piece if I ever manage to finish it :)
Maybe start doing it in grayscale or if you don't feel like that you could do some quick and rough color tests. Just paint some big color blocks to see what effects they create. Save a few variations and compare them... Might get you going once you decided on a color scheme of your likings...
Looking forward to see more!
Maybe start doing it in grayscale or if you don't feel like that you could do some quick and rough color tests. Just paint some big color blocks to see what effects they create. Save a few variations and compare them... Might get you going once you decided on a color scheme of your likings...
Looking forward to see more!
Thanks alot NR43!!
This is what I'we done this far:
your anatomy sketches have vastly improved lately!
As concerns this latest greyscale sketch, I say get rid of the white parts so you can judge your values properly. create a new layer with low opacity and filled with a dark grey and position it over the whole thing and work out the values further. You will get a much nicer feel for the light and shades.
Mu: I haven't tried what you suggested yet, but I will. Do you mean that I should make the whole picture darker, or just that the darker layer would make it easier to point out mistakes.
I was thinking I should start again from the second picture, it seems like everything is going well until the third :)
Thanks alot for your really helful comments btw :D
09-16-2006, 01:15 AM
Hey! nice thread :)
You said you wanted to make sexy women and that you wanted to work for marvel too, well I think that your women need wider hips, here is some reference
As you can see marvel girls tend to have wide hips and a...uhh..prominent behind o_O
:) I hope this helps
Thanks alot Talaria!
Female figure is still a big challenge to me, but I'm getting there... some day :)
I'we been lazy as usual. But thanks to your comment, I picked a sketchbook again and tried out some Marvel characters. So, thank you :D
Heres some of it:
I have been working on my comic book (thats why I haven't been posting much lately:/), I thought this one came up pretty good. The position is a bit stif, but I like it for some reason.
She is Satu, the main charachter from my comic.
Hey, great work here. I think you are right about this last one being a little stiff, and I also think that you need to work on the proportions of the legs a little bit, but I can see why you like it! Nice character, and I like the composition here too- it makes for a cool picture. I look forward to more!
A little comic I made for this one Wii forum:
Some more comics I'm working on. These are from this Finnish superhero comic, its actually the first comic ever I'm getting paid for. Its not much, but I'm still really happy. Afterall, Its very flattering :)
These are really bad scans, but still, here they are:
I haven't posted much lately, I know. Its because I'm working on these two comics (plus my own album). So I thought I could post you some pages I'we done, and if there is any comic artists/fans around (and even if you aren't:)), please tell me what you think. This is what I would like to do for living some day after all :)
Here you go:
10-23-2006, 10:46 AM
I come from a very different era of comics than you probably do. The friends I had drawing comics were people like Mike Grell, Dave Stevens, George Perez, Bil Stout, Sergio Aragones and Bill Sienkewicz among others. I'm really glad to see you in the anatomy forum. When I was first doing my work for sale, I was very much into comics and was lucky enough to get to know many of the wonderful artists at a yearly gathering known as the San Diego Comic Con. I would sit in Artists' Alley to do my work and had the good fortune to have many of the artists give me valuable critiques.
I used to draw women with what was affectionately called "Thunder Thighs". They would sit and show me how to improve my work. Many of them were classicly trained, some were self-taught, but almost everyone seriously studied the human form.
It's really important, when you are going to distort the form for the Superhero treatment, that you have a firm grounding in drawing and understanding muscalature. Anytime you exagerate, you want to know what you are deviating from as well as possible.
So good for you for being here and getting into the workshops offered. Rebecca has really put together some splendid ones and you will greatly benefit from participation.
Hey Jho, nice thread you got going on here:) I really liked the torso studies you posted on
09-11-2006. Keep up the good work.
Cris-Palomino: What do you mean "different era of comics"?
I'm not good with names, the ones you mentioned didn't ring a bell, but as I googled them, I recogniced alot of their work.
You certainly have some talented friends :)
About superhero style I'd say I'm trying to draw in simplified-realistic way. I mean I try to keep the muscles as realistic as possible, but don't want to create completely photorealistic pictures.
The last post's pics are from a superhero comic, but I'm also making my own comic album in wich all the characters should look pretty normal.
su: thanks alot! I had to go see wich studies you meant :)
Actually I'm pretty happy with them myself :D
Here is a pic from my upcoming album:
10-24-2006, 07:33 AM
Hi Jho :)
Great to see you back posting again :) and your work is improving too :thumbsup:
Like Cris said, the more you study anatomy and get practice at drawing different poses, expressions etc, the easier it will be to exaggerate and give your characters that superhero or dynamic "in motion" look - without too much detail :)
keep up the work and good luck!
Did some sketches for this superhero comic I'm working on...
11-02-2006, 05:56 AM
My "era" was the 70s-90s. I have continued to pick up certain titles, but that was the period I was most heavily into the comics field. It really became a new era when Image Comics started up. By that time, I was working at Disney and though I started by working on their comics line, I ended up in a different part of the company and just didn't have time to follow comics as I once had.
Well then I'd say we aren't coming from really different eras of comics. I can't say that I was into comics in the seventies, as I didn't excist, but I sure did read and draw alot of comics in the 80-90s. And allmost all the comics I own are from that era (and I do own plenty of comics :)).
I never fully understood Image, I remember how Spawn was #1, and people said that Todd McFarlane was the greatest comic penciler ever. I just thought he made the thighs of Spider-Man too big. Now I guess the "big thing out there" is manga (?). I was never really aware of whats happening in the world.
Anyways, great to have comic people visiting my sketchbook.
Thank you, and come again :) ...Please
For this last piece, I thank Rebecca, and her fine value tutorial (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832).
11-02-2006, 11:12 AM
nicework on that skull
note on that comic thing- might want to check out Frank Brunner's work(hope i spelled last name right) seem to remember him drawing reg. size people.
FateBringer: Thank you, I think I'm finally getting a slight grip on this computer painting thingy. I try to post more digital stuff, as I think thats the field with most work on drawing/painting busines.
I visited Frank's website, and his work was really good looking. I have to look more into it.
I got a bit excited about the whole paint with the computer thing, and made this too:
11-02-2006, 08:46 PM
Jho, you have a great imagination. I'm really enjoying looking at your pictures. One thing I've noticed is that your eyes are quite often quite high up your characters heads.
I'd love to see a finished version of your Vampire v Werewolf as it has great potential.
11-03-2006, 01:23 AM
Hey Jho :)
Just popping back to see how you are going :) Cool scull you have there (all 3 actually ;) )
I like the little touch with your name in the cracks, and also the drawn one who looks cross-eyed :) It looks like you are having fun again and that is really great to see, so just keep on exploring and drawing!
take care and cheers
I haven't sketched for a while. I'd like to sketch more, and I'll try to do more in near future. Here is one:
Started making this jedi picture on PS. Lets see if I ever finish.
Some character sketches from the superhero comic I'm drawing.
This is the main character, sort of. His caller Finlander. His like a Finnish version of Captain America, I guess.
This is Raaka.
And Tuuli. Not really happy about how this turned out.
Merry Christmas everybody!
A few more girls:
12-30-2006, 06:20 AM
Hey Jho :)
Great to see you so busy!:thumbsup:
Hope Christmas was good to you and all the best for 2007!
Cheers and take care
More superheroes from the comic I'm working on.
I tried to make a better version of this one, I think I managed to get it a bit better.
01-03-2007, 01:04 PM
Just went through your thread...you have a great feel for ACTION ...and looks like you are starting to get some nice emotions going also....girl top left in the #72 frame..top picture..GREAT...:thumbsup:
I think that if you can get the books of Burne Hogarth...AMAZON .COM...you and your work will really be taken to a higher level in no time at all...Check him out if you have time and feel like it....just type his name in...on the internet.
I think you will really like what you see....he has a great way of teaching what you are after in those books of his...:)
Keep up the great work and progress....really looking forward to seeing MORE...:thumbsup:
Thank you SpiritDreamer!
I already have Hogart's "Dynamic Anatomy", "Drawing the Human Head" and "Dynamic Light and Shade".
All great books, but I must admit, I haven't really studied them as I should. Hogart has a great way of simplifying things (making bodyparts cubic and such).
I agree, I have alot to learn from him.
01-04-2007, 10:56 AM
Glad to hear that you have those books....a whole lot to learn in them for sure..:scream:
If you can, I think you should get the DYNAMIC FIGURE DRAWING book by Burne Hogarth,...that
one will really help you the most with your creation of action figures, has all the basic princaples of forshortening ect. in it, which will really make your figures come alive, and pop in and out of deep space...A ONE OF A KIND BOOK...:)
Also , a MUST HAVE book of his, is the DRAWING DYNAMIC HANDS ...Learn what is in those two books, and you can write your own ticket, to wherever go want to go with your creations..:scream:
A lot of master studies as you are also doing, and studies from life, will take whatever you creat, to a HIGHER LEVEL...:)
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF YOUR WORK...AND PROGRESS...:thumbsup:
Thanks to Spiritdreamer I started to study Hogart's Drawing the Human Head. I have to admit, I haven't given Hogart the respect he deserves in the past. I just thought him as "the guy who made Tarzan back in the day". But now as I began to study his books more closely, I have learned alot. So thank you Spiritdreamer!
Its been really wonderful for me to have this sketchbook for the past 6 months, and I thank everybody.
I'm saying this because it seems I have to start working again, and last time that happened I had no time to draw, nor did I have the strength to lift a pencil after 8 hours of warehousing :)
I feel really trapped because of this (I take freetime and try to learn as much as I can about drawing and painting, then the money runs out and I have to work, and by doing it I get relly rusty and have to start all over again).
I understand that thats life, and everybody has to go throught the same thing, but I thought that maybe someone here has somekind of advise.
Or an idea of an job where I could still learn and earn my living. I really want to be an concept or comic artist, or maybe illustrator. So any kind of comments about getting to the business is more than appreciated.
And by the way, of course I am trying to get in school next autumn, but there are no really suitable schools for me in Finland. Most art schools here are for media professions (and I really wouldn't want to work in an newspaper or tv). Graphical designers and 3D designers are the closest professions they train over here.
Sorry about the :cry:
Hope someone had the strength to read through that whining..
01-08-2007, 12:41 PM
I for one know where you are coming from, and what you are saying.
I worked EXTREMLY hard labor, back breaking jobs all of my life, starting from age twelve, until I reached age fifty two, which is when my body finally gave out, and said no more...:scream: All of those old back, knee, neck ect. ect. injuries finally caught up with me....Now I get a disability check from the veterans administration every month..does not ease the pain in
my body though..:) , but does let me have the time to do my art, which is what I have always loved to do, and managed to do , inspite of the harsh realities of life.
I quess what I am trying to say, is don't give up on your dreams. In the end, they are what makes life bearable..:)
Always give your dream, your best shot, and you will never be disapointed with your SELF...which is what you have to live with in the end.:eek: :)
You should keep a notebook that contains all of the ideas that pop into your head, for future paintings, concepts, drawings ect....make little thumnail sketches of your ideas, if the vision is clear enough, or just write it down if not.
Contact publishers, T shirt companies, galleries ect...they will let you know if your work is good enough at the moment or not.
Go to conventions, and talk and show your work to the people involved in them...sometimes one thing will lead to another...you never know.
sometimes it is just a matter of being in the right place, at the right time, and talking to the right person.
Check out places like the CAFE PRESS..IN THERE, YOU CAN CREAT YOUR OWN STORE, and have your creations put on all sorts of idems,
Tshirts, bags, prints..you name it, they have it....
I have been having pretty good luck selling my works on there lately.
You can check out MY STORE that's in my web site...link is below
MY SITE...CAFE PRESS store is in there.
Just keep studying and progressing, and when your work reaches a level where money can be made from it, ..it will come to you...just bait the hook with something tasty enough, and watch the fish bite it...:scream: :bounce:
GET THOSE TWO BOOKS, THAT I MENTIONED ABOVE, WILL IMPROVE THE ODDS IN YOUR FAVOR ONE HUNDRED PERCENT...
Hope this helps some.....TIME WILL TELL...:)
Thank you Glenn!!
That must have been the nicest post I have ever received (right after Rebeccas paintover, I still can't believe she did it:))... Well ok, I just can't rule Frejasphere out, she has been just awesome :)
Still, you went really up on my good guys list :thumbsup:
I notice you are a painter, as I think most people in this forum are. I wouldn't consider myself one, but the Cafe Press suggestion is still a really great one, I definetely have to try it out. I just have to make pieces that... aren't comics :D
But really Glenn, that post was just what I needed. The thought of a day in the future when I can draw/paint without feeling guilty about it. It doesn't have to be tomorrow, or even the day after, just that there is going to be a day like that. So thank you very very much.
01-08-2007, 03:22 PM
I love Glenn's post and advice, just read through all of it, and all I can say is also not to give up - art is a really long and sometimes difficult road, but if experience has told me anything it's that if you really enjoy it, art will sort of hound you and crop up everywhere in your life and make itself unavoidable. :) It sounds like this is the case for you since despite being exhausted by work you are still always thinking about art.
Maybe you can work for a university and have access to their facilities. Sometimes just being in a good, nurturing environment can make all the difference. I think that whatever you decide to do, just keep your goals in mind, and gradually you will get to the point where you are ready to move forward or make a change in your life. It's something we all have to face and I really wish you courage with your choices. I know that it can be hard. :)
Keep working and plugging away, and you will definitely see your progress over time!
Aah, such true words, Rebecca. It's really this way, sometimes it might seem so hard, but even at those moments, there's no way at least that I would give up. I'm speaking about art now. I just here or read so many encourageing words people that went through all of this say. Something still keeps us going forward, right?
You've made a great choice by studying Hogarth, he's still in my "will study in future" list. I've watched through one of his books. Liked it, only that it's too stylised for my taste, wouldn't want to get the feeling of Hogarth in my drawings, but the tips and all will help.
Keep pushing :thumbsup:
read through that whining..
...and rest assured: I think that most people who have the desire for arts in them have to go through what you described.
Actually, I don't have much to add to what Glenn said (fantastic post, Glenn!), just that I think that it's important for your dedication to sort of officially get married to your idea. Say it out loud to yourself what you are trying to do and when you got accustomed to it, go to your friends and tell them ("I am going to be an illustrator...") and then tell everyone you get asked by (on parties, at your dayjob or whatever).
I have made the experience that it changes many things if you make things official and make your claim public.
It's a bit as if the universe acknowledges your goal and sends things your way (as opposed to keeping the whole plan a little secret of yours which you confess to when half drunken along with a complaint how it will never come to be...:D )
Keep on rocking your thread!
I'm really sorry I have missed your post earlier.
It seems to me you are working on a temporary job for a while (a couple of weeks/months?) to get the money to survive the period after this job (also a couple of weeks/months?) and to be able to spend all your time on your art.
I'm posting this just so you will see there is an alternative to that. I'm not saying you should totally change your way of life, that's not up to me at all... merely showing a different way of life.
I'm 34. Never did anything with art until a short while ago. Have a daytime job, 5 days a week, and I can work here for as many years as I like (if I keep doing what I'm told). Not the best paycheck but...
Every day, after work, I am free to spend my time how I want; in my case spend quality time with my children and girlfriend and drawing/painting. Sometimes it's only 30min or even just one quick sketch of an idea. Sometimes it's 3hrs. But I try to do something at least once a day.
Every day at work, I don't do nothing the first hour but so... except browsing cgtalk and answering the nice people around here :D
After every working week there is a weekend... more drawing time.
You have a different life but I'm sure there are moments where you can long for :)
I'm merely saying all this because in your life you can look out for the moments you will be able to draw and study. Like these lovely people here said before.
Hold on to your dreams...
Ah well... just wanted to show my support really
Best of luck for the new year. I'm sure it will be a good one!
Thank you everybody (NR43, Mu, razz, Rebeccak and Spiritdreamer ). The people in this forum really are the best. :bounce:
For NR43's assumption, no, I'm always (or last time anyways) working full time (40h/week), and when I have enough money to live a bit without work I just quit.
Its not a good way, but I haven't got a better idea :/
Before my last job I was in the army (sucked even more than working). And before that, 13 years of school.
I'm hoping I can get a job that doesn't tire me so much I'm unable to draw afterwards, but haven't found one yet.
But enough of my misery (:))...
Here is a page from a comic book I'm drawing:
And here is a err. alien I guess:
An update to the last piece:
Here are some studies I did on this class I had to attend to:
Working on this Breacher-like comic.
I started working in a steel factory, hope I will still manage to have time to draw, I guess I just have to work a bit harder.
Well, anyways, here is a page from the "breacher-like comic" :p :
02-01-2007, 10:56 AM
Really like that last page of your comic that you posted, and the one before it also...the top left frame in the last post is GREAT...:thumbsup:
Looks like you have something serious and worth saying going on in that comic..really refreshing to see this in a comic...unpretentous..emotions expressed...let what's in you, come out in your art, will set it apart from all others,...will be unique to YOU...YOUR personal view of life, and the emotions in you that it creates put into your art.
While your working in that steel factory, you might carry a small sketch pad in your back pocket...start filling it with little doodles of the workers around you, while they are on lunch break ect....you can capture some really nice emotions, moods ect. when people are tired, angry, worn out, ect.....That little sketch pad will become an outlet for what is in you, and what you feel that needs to be expressed about what is going on around you.
You will be surprized at how many great concepts and ideas for drawings escape you, if you don't get them down in a doodle composition, while they are hot in your mind, and spirit.
Don't let your predictament in life capture you, you capture it instead, in, and through your art...Show life in that steel factory the way it really is...when you get to painting, you will have a ton of ideas and doodles to work from, because you will have captured the moment, emotions, mood, in your little sketch pad.
Always be thinking ahead, of the time when you will make a great painting of what is, and was around you, and what you have gone through...great paintings and drawings have a way of happening, when you do this, and approach your art like that...GOYA ECT.
Like I said...DON'T LET LIFE GET YOU DOWN,...YOU GET IT DOWN INSTEAD ,...IN YOUR BOOK OF DOODLES..:)
Really looking forward to seeing more of your thoughts and your work:thumbsup:
02-02-2007, 02:13 AM
Hi Jho :)
Been a while, sorry... sometimes things get busy and I become a dreadful commenter - feel undeserving of your kind words further up the page :blush:
School's back this week and getting 2 kids organized is a feat in itself :D
Anyways: I hope you'll go well in your new job, that it won't be too tiring or draining. Been reading the posts above and you have some great advice there :) It's a nice thing with this formum; many recognize the somewhat uphill battle involved in being an artist (on whatever level or area your journey takes you), and the sympathy and support can help you through doubts or bad days (hopefully few and far between).
Been thinking a while about your characters in the different comics you're drawing (which are getting better and better :thumbsup: ) I just feel that your heros and characters (esp. the guys) have distinct Finnish features; the high and somewhat broad cheek-bones, placement and look of both nose and eyes... the overall bodytype and build as well. (I'm not at all an expert on Finns... so please correct me if I'm way off here :D, it's just that your characters look a little like the Finnish people I've met...) This to me makes them more interesting as it sets them apart from the more stereotype character. I'm not sure if you agree, or if it's something you've thought about, would be interesting to hear your ideas :)
I also like your alien :)
Jho; just keep going, work will give you freedom (like Johan says) to persue your art, even if it means slightly limited at the moment. And Glenn's suggestion of having a small sketchpad in your pocket is great :) Quick gesture drawings that can lead to lots of great ideas when you come home!
Take care and cheers!
02-02-2007, 03:37 AM
Hi, Jho, Wow, I just wanted to let you know that I've really enjoyed going through your thread, thanks for sharing all of this. You have such a great imagination and your passion comes through so clearly in your work, it really makes it enjoyable to view. It's also been great seeing your progress, these latest comic cells and the alley scene one have definite style to them, nice job - please keep it coming! :)
02-02-2007, 04:47 AM
That last comic book page is pretty fab, Jho! Love the variation in the panels, especaially the use of black in the first and last ones, the first has a great sense of character in his pose and the ighting, and the last a great sense of space and isolation... makes me wonder what's happening to him. The only thing story wise that confused me was where the light was coming from. At first I thought the pattern he'd just created had illuminated, but now I'm not so sure... but maybe that gets explained! Good stuff though!
SpiritDreamer: Oh, man Glenn. Your just such a great guy. Thank you so much, again :bounce:
All your suggestions have been ingredibly helpful, and your words very comforting. I did as you said, and brought a sketch pad to work, and it was just awesome. Use the time (as unpleasant it is) as well as I can, I mean, why didn't I ever think of that :)
I wrote a long post about how your messages have helped me in so many levels, but just had too much to say, and couldn't organise it so that anyone would have understood it :D
I wrote it in finnish and tried to translate it, but it didn't work eighter...
...I guess I just have to say thank you.
Frejasphere: You have earned all the thanks I can give. It is I who is feeling guilty about not posting more often to your sketchbook. Here I am being encouraged by the nicest people on earth, and never giving anything back.
It is nice to hear I have a finno-ugric touch in my work :9
I think I'm a bit patriotic, in terms of history, geography and mythology anyways. I hate the military.
I haven't noticed my characters look finnish, but it is certainly possible. I can't tell what makes a person look finnish, I can tell if a person is finish though. I think I have to study this :)
Here is a picture of me, what do you think makes me look finnish (if anything)?:
deco-3d: Thank you. This is the #2 from the comic, so I'm starting to get a better grip on the style its supposed to be. Nice to hear I'm doing ok :)
Zephyri: It said on the script (roughly translated) "there is somekind of light coming out of Bruce, and his hair is waving in the "wind" the spell is causing". So the character himself is supposed to glow. I guess I made it look more like a very bright light came in front of him rather than inside him :/
Thank you for your comment, it is very much appreciated.
Making progress in the superhero comic. Had a good and long fight with the legs in the first... err. square? What do you call them? First panel?
Burne Hogart has proven more valuable source of information I never expected. I really have to send you a present next christmas Glenn :D
02-04-2007, 07:25 PM
I have no idea if someone said this but... ALWAYS take white paper with you ... to school or wherever you might draw ;)
I am interrested if you are going to work more on this comic or if you will leave it like it is (more or less) ?
Thanks Trunks. I'll try to do that. In school I have no problem to draw, but unfortunately I'm not studying anywhere...yet. I don't draw alot in other public places, I'm a bit shy, I guess (I usually have to force myself to draw in train or work etc.). But I'll try to do that more often.
Here is a pic, from the KANE comic I posted a page from.
...and here is the whole page:
02-07-2007, 12:29 PM
Hi Jho :)
Great update on that comic page! There's definitely a sense of drama and action happening there :)
Nice photo of you too :) Like I said, I'm not an expert - but I do think that there are things about your face that (to me) seem common in Finnish people :) I'd say the shape of your face (slightly heart-shaped) with your high cheek-bones and your nose and mouth. It's fascinating studying peoples' faces: the likeness within a family, extended family... and then further a-field to see the likeness in people with the same ancestral/racial background. I'd be hard-pressed to describe the typical Australian face though ;)
take care and looking forward to hearing what your "face study" discovers :)
that's some nice progress here. The panels have style and drama. I like the one on the previous page, too - the very first frame is really awesome.
You also seem to have a sense of how much to leave out in order to leave room for the lettering.
I must say that I am pretty impressed with your dedication to not let your drawing suffer from the necessities of doin a dayjob.
Keep them coming. I am looking forward to being able to read a comic by you.
Thank you Mu and Frej.
Both my comics are going to be in Finnish, but perhaps I could post them here and translate them in english (or German Mu :))
The situation with the job is going fine, actually its not that bad. Right now I'm on night shift, and not drawing as much I'd like to, but I think that ability of being humble is really important for an artist, and this experience is definetely teaching me in that field :D
As has the time I have spent here looking at works of insanely talented artists.
New pages from the superhero comic:
I think I'm getting a bit better with inking. But still, the pictures seem to look better before I put the ink on. Here is a page from the superhero thing I just got inked:
I made some happened before pages for the superhero comic:
03-04-2007, 04:53 PM
I like the last few panels...you might consentrate on the opossing curves in your figures a little more...will add a lot towards the movement in them...those curves creat a rhytum that really enhances the action...keeks the figures from becoming static while in an action pose, and basically just creates a nice flow that is pleasing to the viewers eye, and can also be used to lead the viewers eye on the page..:)
Below is a link to a great cartoonist that you can learn a lot from,..he has a few threads on the subject, that might really be of help to you..they are in this forum somewhere ...just type his name in, and you should be able to find them.
Anyway...Glad to see you are still progressing and finding your style, just takes time, plus a lot of experimenting and a whole lot of practice...:)
REALLY enjoying seeing your progress, so keep posting...:thumbsup:
03-05-2007, 06:14 AM
Your work seems to be getting stronger - just recommend drawing as much as you can and interspersing your original work with studies from life / reference and / or master copies. Keep drawing!
Thanks alot Glenn, again :D
I'm trying to do a Croquin rehersal by loading alot photos and set a program to show then at fast rate on my computer (I still haven't managet to sign up for a life model drawing course).
I checked out the sketch book you talked about, really good, thank you. I have to study it some more.
And thans to you too Rebecca, I'm trying to draw as much as possible. And I'm going to try to make the 50 hads/ 1 month thing too. It got me really far the last time, even though I never finished it.
I got the superhero comic ready, here is the prologe (in Finnish):
03-16-2007, 10:30 PM
Your drawing is really improving noticeably! Keep up the good work!
03-17-2007, 12:49 PM
Wow Jho :)
This last update is great! Do wish I knew more Finnish though ;) There's a cool sense of movement and action - I really like the way you break away from the "frame by frame" approach :)
I think your improvement is great, so just a little nudge really:
Fingers on the top hand where the 3 hands "cross-over" seem too short, sometimes fore-shortening can do this, and to overcome it you'd need to add shading to show that the fingers are at an angle if that makes sense :)
Keep it up Jho and look forward to seeing more! btw is the "Pro" guy's name Bo?
cheers and take care!
03-17-2007, 03:16 PM
I like the look of that page of your comic...the bottom part my favorite. The guy with all the teeth and smile and the demon looking creature...great stuff,...the girl kicking scene in between is also a great action drawing
I think you should study the works of Hieronymus Bosch, Pieter Bruegel,
Salvador Dali, and Frida Kahlo....Study their methods of composing and their use of perspective, and how they use dark and light to creat drama, and enhance emotion....I think you will get a lot of inspiration for your own work and style, by studying the works of the these artist, and a lot of others as well...take bits and pieces of what you can use from them, and incorperate them into your own work and style, creating a super hybred style in the process...:)
A REAL PLEASURE SEEING YOUR PROGRESS AND WORK..Jho, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MORE... :thumbsup:
03-17-2007, 03:44 PM
Hey Jho - love the comic! the character face with the hood and huuuuge smile is my favourite! Awesome inking :bounce:
Boy, did I receive comments! Thanks alot guys, it really means alot to me :D
Rebecca: Thank you, I really appreciate your support.
Frejasphere: Hello again and thank you :D
Yes, many have said the fingers are too short, I think I was trying to create a Hulk-kind-of hand. But I have to study hands some more.
Err. no the "pro" guys name is not Bo... But I'm curious, how did you came to think he might be called Bo?? His name is Raaka (eng. raw), I can't remember what his real name was.
SpiritDreamer: I feel like a complete idiot for not knowing anyone else by name except Dali from your list :(
But you can be sure that after the last great piece of advice you have given me, I am certainly going to look into it. I have always thought that copying is bad and thats why I have never really transferred anything someone else has made into my own work. But I think I'm starting to see thats not the way to go, and there are alot of people out there I relly should try to copy, in order to better my own work.
Intervain: Thnaks alot. I have always hated inking and have just now began to study it more. I'm glad I have made progress.
Here are some pages from the sketchpad Glenn suggested I'd take with me to work. Its about size A6, so its almost full, but I have another waiting when I'm done :)
Working on school applications and steel :D
One of the scools I'm attending to, teaches 3D modelling and digital painting. I don't know what my chances are, but I'll post my application works as I finish them.
03-27-2007, 12:01 PM
Fantastic to hear you are trying to get into a school with 3d modeling and digital painting....:bounce: ....Just make sure that they also teach the basics of drawing, painting and sculpture, in traditional mediums ...I don't think you can have good digital skills in those areas, unless you also have good traditional skills in those areas...It's kind of like putting the cart before or in front of the horse..:scream:
Seems like alot of the schools like to do that these days...:scream: ...Just my personal opinion here though...:)
Also GREAT to see your little sketchbook getting filled up....A good idea for that sketchbook, is to also have a little cardboard frame or matt, about the same size as the sketchbook...just keep it inside of the sketchbook, so it fits into your back pocket. When you see a scene at work, or wherever, ..use that little matt frame, to creat a composition, just by holding it out at arms length, and looking at the scene that appeals to you through it...this will train your eye to see in terms of composition...When you get the scene composed just right in that frame that you are looking through,..put the frame onto the page of your sketchbook, and draw what you have just composed and seen through it, into your sketchbook...composing the drawing on the paper, the way you composed it in your mind as you were looking at and seeing the scene through the frame...Also jot down little color notes within the drawing...like what color was that persons shirt, color of the sky ect.
If you get into the habit of doing this method of sketching that I just mentioned, you will have more than just sketches in your sketchbook at the end of the day,...you will have the makings of composed paintings, that you can creat when you feel like it, and have time to do them ...:)
ANYWAY,...GREAT TO SEE YOUR PROGRESS, AND I HOPE YOU ARE ABLE TO GET INTO A GREAT SCHOOL, WITH GREAT TEACHERS WHO WILL GUIDE YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ALONG THIS JOURNY THAT YOU HAVE ENTERED INTO...:thumbsup:
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK..LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MORE :thumbsup:
Heya all. I was in a comic expo at Tampere yesterday, where the superhero thing I have been doing was released. There were alot of really nice peole, and I bugged some of the big names here [Finland] about how to get into the comic business etc.
Big thanks to Spiritdreamer once again. Your comments have always been unbelievably helpful.
I haven't yet tried the frame thing you suggested. As said before, I hate to draw attention while drawing. SO I just have to figure a way to do it without anyone noticing :)
I'm almost done with the school application works for the 3D/ digital painting school. I'll post my work when its done (tonight perhaps).
Here is something I just did while trying to get out of bed :D
Tried to make a self portrait. I didn't use a preference, so it might not look right.
04-01-2007, 04:39 PM
I like those studies...nice feeling of energy...:thumbsup:
What I usually do when I don't want to be noticed as I draw, is to just use my hand to make a frame...bring your first finger to where it touches the tip of your thumb...hold the curcle it creats up about six or seven inches from your eye...instant frame, that blockes out all the distractions of the surrounding area, and allows you to consentrate on, and compose the the elements that you are interested in...You might even have a newspaper on your lap as you draw, with your drawing pad hidden by the newspaper...that way people just think you are doing a crossword puzzle, and arn't aware that you are actually drawing them..:scream:
ANYWAY..GREAT to hear that you went to that comic convention, and met some people in that field...sometimes one thing will lead to another, you just never know...:)
KEEP GOING, AND KEEP POSTING..:thumbsup:
Heh. Thanks Glenn, thats sneaky :D
I have to try it first thing tomorrow when I'm at work again.
Here is a pic of other one of the school application thingies. Its not finnished as I thought it would be by now, colouring takes alot more time I expected :/
But I figured, its more helpful to me if I post it unfinnished anyways. As people still have a chance to change things.
Please help me with this one, I would really like to get into this school.
I'm sorry the quality is so bad. Its a A3 work, so it didn't fit into my scanner. I'll try to make a better scann with the next phase.
So, the task was to make a 6-8 picture illustration over text. The text was pretty long, and its in Finnish, so I won't post the whole thing, but it was basically about this guy talking with a "Consule" in Venice. First he (the main character) wonders how the Consule has managed to build a sauna on the roof, and how is it warmed.
The Consule shows him (and 2 other guys) a shed where he keeps the firewood. There is also a Savo-style (savolais-mallinen) boat. The main guy tries to lift it and finds that its really light. The Consule wants to attend to a competition called "Pegata Storica", and he wants the main dude to join him in the contest. (It was said that the contest is started by dropping a gold rign into the ocean. Thats why I drew the hand in the pic #3).
The storyteller (main guy) starts to wonder how on earth are they going to get the boat out of the roof (measuring the doorway) and others get dressed.
They start carrying the boat down the stairs, but a bunch of kids blast a nail-bomb (the boat stops the nails from hitting the men). Apparently the main guy knew it was a bomb because he has seen bombs blast before, others ask where he has learned to recognice bomb blasts, and he replies "in the army". Others ask did he get the scars in his back from war, and he replies that he got the scars from sun bathing too near to a construction area some years ago.
Seems like you're well under way, the issue that jumped out at me were the hands.
The middle left image's hand has an issue with how the thumb runs off the hand (seems thick to me), and the fingers look a little compressed.
In the bottom left (where he is carrying the boat) the hand position is unnatural. If you try to mimic that 'thumb forward' position there is a severe forearm twist involved. I would think that the thumb facing the back of the boat would be more natural. Also be careful to leave enough room for the shoulders, the character right shoulder seems tight. I think it would be more likely for that arm's elbow to happen outside of the frame, and that would be nice with the action (some key landmarks of the character breaking the frame would help sell the tight space under the boat).
It's an ambitious scale that they get you to work on for this. The street in the upper left is looking solid, and the boat 'finding' shot in the upper right looks nice and natural. Good luck :)
Thank you Kary! I'll try to adjust the hands, they looked a bit wrong to me too, pity I already inked them.
I can't believe how slowly this is coming down. I painted the second picture for ~3 hours, and just barely finished :/
Please tell me these aren't as bad as I think they are. You kind of go blind to your work after working long enough.
Can't help you on color (the last piece) really coz I'm a noob at it.
I like the inkings in post 105... the shading is subtil yet very convincing!
Thanks NR43. I'm too very new with colours, and I'we always felt I'm not very good with them and sticked with B&W :(
Here is just some sketching I did before going to bed:
Phew. I finally finished it :D
SO here were the first 2 panels:
And here are the new 2:
Please, please, PLEASE COMMENT!!
Its very important for me to get feedback on this.
Its ready. Now both application works are complete! This second one was a tough one... phew.
It was supposed to be a 6 picture comic about a cube turning into a turtle, because its getting wet without feet:
Box modelling :D Interesting idea. Last time I saw a bird-like wooden creature with green glowing eyes grow out from a stump. I like those transforming pieces, looks to me like putting frames for an animation.
What school are you trying to get into?
Im trying to get into Finnish err. art school I guess you could say (EVTEK). Into the 3D-visualization department.
Ok. The applications are in, and I'm back doing comics. I had a 3 day test for an other school, and I think I did pretty good. I think I have a really good shot to get in there next autumn. Still, of course, if I get into the 3D school, I'll definetely choose that.
Well, anyways, here are 2 pages of the horror-breacher thing I posted some time ago.
04-19-2007, 10:36 AM
Those were some wierd story lines that that school gave you to work from...What kind of drugs are they on...LOL :scream:
I like the way you handled the turtle one...pretty straight forward and clear..:thumbsup:
If you can, get these two books..you can order them cheap online.Google
I think they will help you with your page design and layouts for your comics.
THE ARCAHE EYE OF HOGARTH....AND....MORPHOS THE SHAPECHANGER
BY BURNE HOGARTH
REALLY NICE EMOTIONS EXPRESSED IN THOSE LAST COUPLE OF PAGES THAT YOU JUST POSTED...KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, AND KEEP POSTING...:thumbsup:
Thanks alot Glenn.
I think I'm going to order alot of books from amazon when I receive my next paycheck :D
Here is a panel I made for Lupus, the big album I'm working on:
04-27-2007, 07:36 AM
Hi Jho :)
Great to see your latest updates :)
I wish you all the best in getting into art school!!! :) :)
I did write a longer comment but hit the back button by mistake and it all disappeared :D silly me!
Anyways in brief: I like your turtle-box - it's cute, looks like he's getting himself into a bit of a tangle...
On colours.. not sure if you were painting and inking at the same time? or if you inked before or after. It's great to see you branching into colour, esp as your B&W are coming along so well :thumbsup: . You might want to play around a bit with different approaches to colouring; if you do a very light pencil sketch of the comic and then paint/colour it. Looks like you've used watercolour or watercolour pencils... both are great to work with and you can achieve a lot of different effects. Possibly try a bit more contrast, but it has to work for you as well :)
great to stop by and sorry it's been a while
you take care and know that there's atleast one person in the country downunder keeping fingers crossed for your applications to be successful :)
pity the first post got lost, I would have loved to read more. Thanks alot anyways.
Actually I used both watercolours and watercolour pencils :)
I'm really glad you liked the application works (as I really appreciate your opinion), now lets hope the teachers feel the same way :)
Updated the latest pic a bit:
Yay! I got to the final tests in the 3D visualization school. They are in two weeks, and last for two days, wish me luck :D
05-08-2007, 03:36 PM
Congratulations on getting to the final tests, Jho. Now we only can wish you good luck... Do your best! :bounce:
Good stuff here in your sketchbook, by the way.
05-08-2007, 11:52 PM
That's great news Jho! :) :wavey:
Now you just need to chill for the next 2 weeks :)
take care and cheers!
Hey congratz on making it to the finals!
I'm sure you'll make it all the way through just fine :)
Thanks alot guys!
The tests are next monday, and I have to take 1-3 old works with me. I thought I would bring one comic page, and I colored the shaman piece I did last winter:
05-18-2007, 01:09 AM
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SCHOOL...:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
FRAME #88...:thumbsup: :)
FRAME #88...:thumbsup: :)
Heh. Thats it. I mean thats the one I was going to send. Glad to hear I made a good choise :D
Thans for your support, I really appreciate it.
05-19-2007, 12:40 AM
Hi Jho :)
Good luck with your tests :) I'm sure it will go well for you, think positive and remember when you go in there to sit the test; they are asking you to do what you love doing the most - so even though it's nervous and all that... it can help to think "I love doing this" and not focus too much on that it's a test... :)
take care and cheers
Frej: Thank you for the advice. I was a bit sick on the first test day, and your words in the last post helped alot :)
Wether the test went well, I honestly have no idea. I know I could have done better, but I didn't do bad eighter. But your support certainly helped *deep bow*.
I finished the horror, Breacher comic and started making the next issue of the superhero comic today:
Some random sketching:
06-02-2007, 02:45 PM
Hi Jho :)
Nice to see the finished piece earlier - looks really good :)
You did all the work in the test - if any little words along the way can help, that's great - but remember you deserve the biggest bow for going along and doing your best:thumbsup:
Nice sketches - hands - and the odd shark travelling to northern waters ;)
take care and cheers
Sharks are hard to draw, I have tried many times, but they always end up looking stupid. Maybe thats because I have only seen a live shark once or twice. Do you do any diving there in Australia? Can you throw me any tips?
I have this one painting with a shark on it, and I'm going nuts with it :)
There is something really awesome with sharks, especially the Great White, I would like to see one in the wild some time (in a cage though, I'm not that crazy :D ).
Started making a new issue of the finnish superhero comic:
And here are some pages from the little sketch pad I carry around at work (got another one full):
06-13-2007, 06:33 PM
hehe, I enjoyed looking at your sketch pad scribblings...I tilted my head a lot :scream:
I always carry some paper and a pen in my pocket (or in my gfs bag) and draw everything, everywhere! I'd recommend the paper without the grid too. :)
also, that comic page is looking nice!
Thanks ghoul. I'm still having problems drawing people live, I hate it when they notice I'm drawing them. But I'm trying to increase sketching buildings and my own hands etc.
Drawing the superhero thing:
Haven't posted for a while. I think the working and drawing at the same time thing is getting to me a bit :/
I have been supposed to be drawing new issue of the super hero comic, but have just managed to get 2 pages done, and 8 penciled.
I got into a school, not the 3D one, the test results for that school come in the day after tomorrow, I'm really excited.
And I'm really for the other school too. Now I can stop working for a while, and really start focusing on drawing, painting and getting ready to do this thing as a job some day :D
I tried to draw some anatomy today, but ended up drawing face pics that I searched on Google. I haven't ever done caricatures, so I thought it would really do good for my face drawing skills.
haven't visited your thread in quite a while (sorry) but I'm really pleased to hear your plan is finally starting to come together!
Best of luck!
Nice sketches btw
07-11-2007, 10:10 AM
Hi ...Jho ...:)
REALLY GREAT to hear that you got into a school ...JUST ASK A WHOLE LOT OF QUESTIONS,about composition, design, ect. ect. Make a list of what you need to know,and what you to want to learn, to take your art to where you want to go. Make those teachers earn thier paychecks LOL :scream:
I really can see a big improvement in your line quality with that last group of faces that you posted...much more relaxed, cofident, and also full of energy...:thumbsup:
GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SCHOOL...I THINK YOU WILL DO GREAT, AND ALSO WILL REALLY ENJOY IT...:)
Looking forward to seeing the great progress that's sure to happen ...:thumbsup:
I made it to the 3D visualization school!!
I'd like to thank everybody here for helping me, I'm pretty sure I couldn't have done it without you.
Once again it has been proven: hard work and consistency pays off in the end!
Best of luck and looking forward to see more work from you
07-12-2007, 09:37 AM
HEY ....Jho ....:bounce: :applause: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thank you NR43 and SpiritDreamer!
I was reading through the 3D-schools schedule and boy am I excited!
I still have about 2 weeks of work, and after that I have a month to finish the superhero comic... and then the school starts :bounce:
I'm so happy. I didn't expect I'd get in and now that its sinking in, I'm just realy... happy :D
07-18-2007, 08:55 PM
First: Congratiulations! :bounce:
Second: Your sketchbook is amazing! I really like your style, it's very dynamic, everything in your drawings is moving, and I think that's really cool. It's also just great to see your works get better and better.
best of luck, and post soon :D
07-27-2007, 01:31 AM
Firstly WOW!!! and congratulations! :applause: Awesome (although not a surprise) that you got in to the school! That is great news and I'm sure you'll have a fantastic journey!
So sorry it's taken forever to pop back here, the last while has been insane as far as extra time goes :(
Hmm.. some random facts about sharks :D
A friend and I worked on a boat off the north east coast of Australia (for 3-4 weeks about 15 years ago) - it was in the Coral sea, which took 16 hours to get to - it is the outer part of the Great Barrier reef. Anyway; my friend and I cooked and looked after things for the skipper and his mate, who were licensed divers - collecting fish for aquariums.
We used to dive in the shallow areas (moored just on the shelf or near a drop-off where the reef ends and the deep deep waters begins), and this is where I had my only live encounter with a shark.... I can assure you I have NEVER swam that fast ever again.... as I did back to the boat once spotting this (to me MASSIVE but in reality it was a reef shark so not huge... 3 metres maybe) slow-cruising dude who sort of did a big loop around me and my friend (who also incidentally, became an instant olympic swimmer)...
The guys on the boat laughed and said that reef-sharks won't harm you... I thought safe was better than sorry :D like you though, I find them fascinating, there's something knowing and unpredictable about sharks.
Also... the great white... was used as "design inspiration" for a famous aircraft (trying to think which one...) because of it's streamlined and perfect aerodynamic shape.
A shark can't really attack head-on... it needs to come up from below, as it's teeth are under the "nose" I find the jaw area of sharks (and the dorsal fin ;) ) tend to define the "shark-like" qualities the most :)
/* end random fact section on sharks*/
Great face studies! You are improving so much Jho :) I liked seeing the excerpts from your sketchbook as well (the one you take to work...) like Ghoul... I tilted my head a fair bit!
cheers and take care :)
Big thanks to Frejasphere for her awesome post. Thank you for the shark story too, kind of hope I'd have a shark story to tell too :D
So the job at the steel factory has ended and I again have time to draw more. The school is just about to start (still 26 days, can't wait!).
I'm happy to be alive!
So here is some superhero stuff I'm making. I'm in a real hurry with the deadline with this one :)
I hope I managed to improve the shark. Had real trouble with the place of the eye.
08-02-2007, 02:25 PM
Fiesty looking shark there,...I like the way you did the line work on it..:thumbsup:
Nice use of diaginals in those bottom frames...creates a good sense of movement and action....:thumbsup:
I don't remember if I mentioned it before, but if you are able to, and haven't yet, see if you can get hold of Burne Hogarths book called..DYNAMIC LIGHT AND SHADE..That book will really help you take your ink work, and understanding of light and shade to a higher level...GREAT BOOK, and easy to understand..full of great examples and demonstrations of all the various ways to give your work life, emotion, mood ect. through the use of light and shade, and all of it's variations..:)
Keep up the great work and progress, and GOOD LUCK AT SCHOOL..:thumbsup:
Thanks alot Glenn!
I have had the Dynamic Light and Shade for many ears now, but haven't read it yet properly. There was a conversation on a Finnish comic forum that you should sketch the overall black, grey and white areas of the page, before starting to sketch characters and environment etc. I'm trying to do that in the future.
I once saw an interview of a manga artist. He was asked wether he enjoyed his work. Obviously the interviewer wated to get the basic "yes, this is my dream job" answer, but the artist fell silent for a moment, really thinking about the question. Then after a while, he replied "No. No this is like any other job".
I laughed at the funny situation at first, but then I thought wether I really, truly love drawing. And I can't say that I love the process. Of course its a big part of my life, and I start to feel ill if I can't draw for a long time, like when I'm working in a steel factory, or when I was in the army...
I love to get the job done, and watch at my creation. I want to feel proud of my work. That is why I can't be a steel factor worker... There is no point in that. I can't use any speciall skills of mine. I can't be proud of the work after I'm finished.
But drawing can be incredibly boring. My style of drawing is very time consuming, and I often find myself really tired of doing it. In other words, its a job.
But now that I once again have time in my hands to draw, it feels awesome! :bounce:
I tried to take a 1 page/ one day pace, and thought that would be alot. But I find myself wanting to do more!
I hope this won't change soon, I'm getting pretty much done :D
So here is another page, its not finished yet, but I also sketched 3 pages and inked 1 today :D
08-03-2007, 12:34 AM
Hi Jho :)
I really like the way you break up your pages :thumbsup: dynamic and capturing to look at!
Your shark is pretty cool as well ;) Pretty obvious that it's a "Great White" (the "fat" look, and the grin... :D), to me the dorsal fin looks a little skewed, but wouldn't worry about it - you've definitely captured shark-qualities in that one :)
cheers and take care!
08-03-2007, 09:37 AM
I enjoyed your last comic pages very much! Well done! I hope too see some more of them the next time :)
Keep at it!
I also thought the dorsal fin looked kind of odd, but couldn't figure why.
Trunks: Thanks. SInce you asked, here is the last page completed. Hope you like it :D
08-04-2007, 11:14 AM
This finished page looks great! I like the robot a lot :)
Are you going to color this pieces?
Keep it up!
08-04-2007, 11:31 AM
I have just one word to comment on your work - - "WOW!"
Your work is amazing....I can see the force in your work!!
Trunks: Thanks alot! I'm not going to color it, because its being released in an b/w comic book. Only the cover will be colored, and I'm not making the cover... just 34 pages :rolleyes:
rdsarna: Heh. I'm really flattered. But I don't deserve such praise. Made me feel really good about myself though, so thanks alot :love:
I'm trying to get a bit better at photoshopping before the school starts... Why doesn't it start already!?! :bounce:
Updated the last piece:
And more update on the last piece:
08-09-2007, 09:03 AM
great to hear your comic is going to b released ! That's a great thing!
On your last one, the head looks too long to me... it seems like she has an egg as head ? Maybe you want to change this a bit ?
Keep it up :)
Trunks: Thanks. The comic isn't mine, I'm only acting as an artis for a little independent finnish comic publisher (MMK Entertainment), the comic is theirs. I'm even getting paid a little bit :D
Glad you like it though.
08-14-2007, 03:26 PM
Hi ...Jho ..:)
I like the last couple of pages of your comic..the top 2 left frames are my favorites..nice composition going on in those two..:thumbsup:
Take a look in your book ..Dynamic LIGHT and SHADE by Burne Hogarth.The first few pages deal with the silhouette, like you have in a couple of your frames....Now look at the second chapter .page #22..Minimal Light....I think that your silhouettes would be much stronger,and have a better effect of describing your charaters if you used or added a little bit of that minimal light here and there in them.just a thought..:)
Keep your spirit up,...only a few days left tell you are in school, learning what you really want to do ...:thumbsup:
Thanks for the tip Glenn!
I'll try and add some minimal light with photoshop as I send the pages to the publisher.
Here is a new page, I'm pretty pleased with it:
08-15-2007, 12:55 PM
HEY ...Jho ...:bounce:
GREAT PAGE ...NICELY COMPOSED, AND VERY VERY ..DYNAMIC :applause: :thumbsup: :)
08-16-2007, 02:38 PM
Hi Jho :)
great to see you busy and working hard :thumbsup: nice work!
Exciting count-down no doubt til Art school starts...
what to wear? which pencils to bring? what day is it again? awesome feeling! :bounce:
keep up your good work :)
Thank you Glenn and Frej!
The school start next thursday. And it just can't come fast enough :bounce:
And I'm still loosing sleap at night for thoughts like "maybe there was a mistake, and I'll lose my place at the school". START damn you!
Here is some more superheroes (and Fennosauruses):
Made two pages of comic and finished this one today, boy am I tired :P
Great work on that comic!
The last one... I think you could make the pose a lot more dynamic if you would turn his pelvis more to his left. When kicking like that, a man's chest is under an angle of almost 90 degrees with his pelvis area.
Or is he falling backwards? In that case you should make it more obvious using dynamic clothes. Great start though :)
08-17-2007, 08:07 AM
very nice work on the comic pages! Keep that stuff up dude! Great images :)
On your colored figures ... I agree to what Johan just said ... I think you should also try to do a stronger light/shadow contrast in this pieces ... your images are looking very flat without using nearly the whole palette from white to black. You should try to get the shadows darker and the lights brighter ... play with the value :D
Keep at it!
08-17-2007, 08:32 AM
Great work here!! :thumbsup:
Your compositions are really good and have the "force"!!
Keep it up.....
NR43: Hmm. I just can't see how the pelvis isn't right. With some little Kung Fu (Wing Tsun) training, I'm always hesitating drawing pelvis too front (or otherwise in great angle with the rest of the body) in kicks. As bringing balance too much forward takes away from your balance and leaves you open to counter attacks.
But you are right, it would look more dynamic. I must take some pictures or something. Maybe live draw some of my kickboxing friends :)
Thanks alot for the comment, fighting poses are a thing I really should learn well as I'm going to try and start a comic or game related career, and they tend to fight alot in the entertainment business :D
Trunks: Your right, I didn't spend much time with alot of the parts, torso mostly and it looks a bit flat.
Thanks for the comment, I'm sure it will improve alot with a bit more b/w.
rdsarna: Thanks. I'll try to keep the post gates open.
A consept of a "hero" in the comic book I'm making:
08-17-2007, 12:55 PM
Staying busy I see..good way to take your mind off of the first day of school...:eek: :) :scream: ...couldn't resist that one ...:twisted: ....YOU'LL BE FINE...:)
About your fighting pose,...In my sketchbook thread, on pages #87 and #88 , there are some defensive and offensive poses using KARATE, that might be of use to, and a help to you with your work...check them out, if, and when you have time, and if you feel like it..:)
Keep up the great work and great progress...can't wait to see what happens when you get in school..:thumbsup:
Thanks Glenn. I'll try to suck out all the information I can from the school!
And I'll keep posting, as I really think that this forum (especially you and Frej) had a lot to do with me getting in :)
I'm extremely busy with the comic right now, so I don't have anything to post today. Maybe later tonight...
The school has started, kind of. We have had two orientation days, mostly getting to know each other and the school. It has been fun. Apparently my class has mostly err... nerds, and less artsy people. Some I have been talking to, say that they can't draw at all. And suprisingly, there are alot of girls too (5 I think. of 15), in 3D, who would have guessed? :)
8% of applicants got in (80 of 1019). So as you can see, its really hard to get into a school here. But now that I'm in, its completely free, and the quality is supposed to be really good.
We had a little party today. The tutor students took us to Helsinki, and we played games and... stuff. Mostly we just sat on the grass and talked, I really enjoyed it. I got to know some pretty nice people :)
I also visited an art store and got all the suplies we are supposed to get, and there was ALOT of it!
Well, anyways. I'll try to post something later...
08-26-2007, 04:19 PM
Great to hear you're now embarked on your exciting journey! :)
Sounds like it's going to be great!
Look forward to your updates
take care and cheers
Hey Jho really good to hear your schoolyear has started. Sounds pretty nice to meh :)
Good luck - have fun and keep us posted will ya :D
Frejasphere: Thanks. I try to post some schoolwork, when we start making cool stuff. We are still in pretty basic stuff (witch is great, don't get me wrong), drawing geometry, aksolometry and starting perspectives next monday :bounce:
NR43: I'll try to post as much as I can. But at the moment I'm really busy with school and the comic...
I'm sure it'll ease up pretty soon, and I'll be able to start updating more often. Glad to hear people like to read/watch them (the updates).
I really like the script of this superhero comics that I'm drawing. Its written by an other guy than usually, and his really good.
I made a page today, where a vampire and a giant robot meet in the middle of a battlefield. They rocognise eachother, and they have a long history. Both are basically immortal, so they remember alot of their loved ones dying. The page contains a flashback.
I had Arch Enemys Enter the Machine playing on the back when I drew this (its a really beautiful melodic guitar peace). So I almost shed a tear while making this page :cry:
it's been soooo long since I was in here and look at you! Attending art school, having your first pencil job published on an indie publishing house, and your drawing skill have improved like mad, man!
It's really so inspiring to follow your progress, but it's breathtaking to not follow it for a while, come back and have the skills shoved in my face like a battering ram.
09-01-2007, 03:39 PM
very nice work on the comic page :) I still like the way you do the robots, don't know why lol :D
Keep that work up!
Trunks: Vielen danke!
I have been unsure of the robots trough the whole project, so it really nice to hear they look ok :D
Phew. Still 6 more pages to go, and the comic is ready ond off my hands. Oh the relief... Here are some pages for you:
09-08-2007, 10:05 AM
You are learning german? :) Great great ;)
Very nice work on the comic pages, I like the look lines and compositions :) Very funny but bloody story :) Keep up the great work! I am looking forward to the end of this comic ;)
By the way, just to let you know, it is "vielen dank" , we use it like "thank you" when you write "dankE" its like "thanks" but it stands on its own. Can't explain you why this is but its the fact ;) Just wanted to tell you because I thought you might want to know about this. Very nice gesture about the german words by the way :)
Trunks: Thanks, and sorry. My german is a bit rusty, haven't used it for a while :)
I lived in Flensburg (for 6 months) a couple of years ago. If you know any good german tv shows or movies I could watch, please tell me, I'd really like to update my vocabularity :D
Yay! The comic is ready. I had to rush it ready, so that it was ready for the next weekends comic expo in Helsinki. But even though I rushed it, it looks good enough. Actually, I'm pretty pleased with myself, tired, but pleased :D
33 pages in a month WITH school, you try it! I dare you! :)
The guy who letters and finishes it just mailed me and said that he is ready and the book is going to print. It feels awesome that its ready. I mean, I can live... play vidogames again :D
will it be sold online?
Its in finnish, so I think the publisher won't directly sell it to other territories. I thought of releasing it in the Internet, in english, hopefully :)
But I have to ask the guys at the expo. Really glad you asked though :D
Here is a page from the end of the comic.
The bearded guy (Ilmarinen. A Finnish weather/blacksmith god, kind of) is saying that one giant robot got away. The big guy (Raaka) says, meh, there is only Espoo in that direction (Its Finlands second largest city :) ).
09-09-2007, 02:01 AM
To watch these pages unfold is pretty exciting - I think it would be well worth learning a
few Finnish word in order to keep up with the story :) Your comic is much more reliant on the visual language!
33 pages in a month! and exhibiting in the Helsinki Comic expo! I think you deserve a big cheer (oh and not to forget: at school as well!!) :applause:
Great work and effort! keep it up!
Heh, Frej. You are making me blush :)
I don't have an exhibition, the publisher just has a booth where they sell their comics, and one of them just happens to be drawn by me :)
Thanks alot though. Reading your post always cheers me up. I was really sad once, and I just read trough all the nice things people post in my tread and immediately felt alot better.
09-09-2007, 10:58 PM
I read through your thread and you've put some serious effort into your work. I like how you layed out your comics and how you used lines to shade and put volume into the drawings. Good job with your comic book.
Rangerman: Thanks alot man.
I still have alot to learn. But I'm getting there. Comments like those keep me going :D
So the school continues. And it just keeps getting more and more awesome. Yesterday I took voluntary, live drawing class, and it was great!
All my classmates are really nice, and I'm learning alot.
Just the idea that I'm finally, for the first time in my life, studying something I love. :bounce:
I bought a new sketchbook fo the school, and had to draw something to the first page. And who else would be better for the job, than the one and only, Angela Gossow :love:
Some. err... notes from the art history class. A classmate of mine, did most of it. She is really good at drawing Disneyish animals.
here are some quick (about 1min.) sketches from the live drawing class:
09-21-2007, 12:27 AM
Hi Jho :)
Great to hear that you are loving school! :thumbsup:
Good work on those life drawing sketches as well, I was thinking when looking
at them that it's really obvious how your practice is paying off :) Nice flowing lines
and sense of movement :)
With risk of sounding like I came down in the last shower... you have me intrigued to learn about the one and only Angela Gossow :) ;)
Keep enjoying and creating (and posting too)!
09-21-2007, 02:37 AM
HEY ..Jho ...:)
GREAT to see that you are taking a life/figure drawing class :thumbsup: ..It will really help you with whatever, and whichever direction that you end up going in ..:)
Sounds like you are really enjoying the experience of school..which is great..:applause: :thumbsup: ...Like I said earlier...Just ask alot of questions, and really make those teachers earn their keep...:scream:
ANYWAY, ..keep posting, always a real pleasure seeing your works, and progress as you go along,..for me anyway..:)
So you're into art fulltime now eh... I'm soooo jealous :p
I'm really glad to hear it's going well at school.
Enjoy the ride :D
09-21-2007, 08:05 AM
Looking forward to see more of the life drawing stuff. I think the two sitting women are the best.
09-21-2007, 11:11 AM
I LOVE this disney like animals :D Very funny!
Very good work on the figure drawing ... it's very important to capture the whole figure in such a short time :)
You aksed me about some good german films ...
If you like funny movies ... you could try "Der Schuhe der Manitu" very funny movie ... it is a comedy ... they are making jokes of winetu... though I had a big lough ;)
If you are going for more serious films ... you could watch "Das Experiment" ... they are sending some people into prison... for free... and other people are the keeper, also for free. But at the end the situation escelates... very thinkfull movie :)
Hope it helps :)
WHOA! Look at all the comments. Thanks alot gang!
Really nice to see people are interested in my sb.
You guys are just so heart warmingly supporting. :love:
Why, Angela (the vocalist of Arch Enemy), of course is a woman with the voice of an angel. And a living proof swedes can really rock (linky (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ixOqBlZBXzE)).
They say that studying at an art school can be really depressing, as everyone else is really good at drawing, painting etc. And I really wasn't the best artist in the live drawing class. But at least at the moment, it just feels awesome to be surrounded by these really talented and nice people, who I get great tips from.
Glad to hear I'm improving though, I just go blind to these things myself.
Well its great to take live drawing classes too :D
You were so right when you said I should start taking them a while back (was it last year?). I'd say the first piece I did wasn't good at all. But I'm there to learn, and that I did. Can't wait for the next wednesday :bounce:
My publisher was talking about maybe releasing a small amount of the superhero comic in english (apparently he reads my sketchbook :) ). I'll tell you the instant I hear something about it.
Agreed, alltogether I think I got better at the end of the whole croquin exercise.
Thank you for the comment.
I have a distant memory I might have seen Das Experiment... Not sure.
But thanks alot, I'll try to get my hands on those films.
Finnish films are a bit the same, comedy seems to be our strongest side.
My classmate, the girl who draws the "Disneyish characters" has a deviantart gallery here (http://tigerty.deviantart.com/). Check it out, if you like her style. She is an awesome person too :D
I'm not at school today, because we just have to finnish the works for descriptive geometry class. And I'm doing it with my home computer. I'm not finnished, but here is a WIP of the piece:
Its a perspective excersise, with shadows. The nuclear explosion was my clasmates idea. He is one of the best artist in my class, I strongly suggest you to check out his gallery (http://amrrr.deviantart.com/) (also deviantart. I find it a bit slow, but I guess its ok).
09-24-2007, 11:01 AM
"gang" this sounds very crazy. I think I should stop posting :P
On you last piece, are you sure about this shadows? I mean as farer the shadow is away from the subject the lose the shadow becomes...
I'll check the deviantart gallery of your friends, keep it up!
09-24-2007, 11:14 AM
09-24-2007, 11:45 AM
Hey Jho :)
Thanks for the Angela Gossow enlightenment :thumbsup: Had a look at a few of the videos... she can sing! Very cool!
I got into one of the Finnish bands a number of years back... Finntroll
and then heard a while back that (I think it was the singer) had an unfortunate meeting with a bridge... :shrug: great music though :)
One from this end of the world - Pendulum and their album "Hold your Colour"
Sorry about the Sidetrack - couldn't resist
Thanks for the comment.
If you mean that the shadows should lighten further away from the object. Its true, but this was a practise, and I was supposed to make the shadows clear, sothat the teacher can see I have constructed them right.
Also there is supposed to be only one light source, normaly there would be things like the sun, that would lighten the shadows.
Why does "gang" sound crazy??
I once made a funny mistake when I was in Germany. I lived on a farm, and was watching out of the window. I told my host parents that the view was beatiful because of the... "whats "mist" in german?" I asked.
..."mist" means manure in german :D
Your a metalhead too??
I would have never guessed. Don't know why though :)
I find Angelas voice very pleasant. Its a kind of a soft roar, if you can call it that :D
I just was at the bridge Fintroll's singer fell from last week. Really misfortunate. I liked him alot :(
I have seen Fintroll live once, it was great. My swedish is a bit rusty though. So I din't understand most of the lyrics (lyrics are very important for me).
Here is a finished version of the school work:
The teacher called it very original. He said that no one has ever done anything like it in his class.
I don't know if its a good or a bad thing :D
09-25-2007, 05:54 PM
that dog made me laugh :)
I think its a good thing to be open-minded and creative. The contrast between the cartoon-rendered buildings and the painted sea is a bit weird... maybe you should have done the explosion in cartoonstyle or something like that. I like the extreme perspective. Keep it up!
09-26-2007, 12:04 AM
:) I like your perspective study! It's got a great sense of plunging depths and heights in it :thumbsup:
I'm just wondering if the actual perspective would work better without the volcano in the background.. which sort of takes away a little bit of the feeling how "high" above the sea that house is... maybe a plain dark horizon or similar to bring the focus forward. Just a thought though, the explosion does add drama to the image, so it's possibly a toss-up which to go for :) And I think that what your teacher said is definitely a good thing!
Metal-head eh :D yes.. and a Psytrance bunny too... some extreme variations.. but gives
you great music for all occasions :) (Finland have a good bunch of psytrancers: Pouskari and Haltya just to pop 2 in) I do know what you mean with Angela's voice, well described... She has a great animated face as well - tempted to use her in my drawing project - I think you did a great job capturing her :)
Like I said to the teacher, the dog is fine, his just climbing back up.
You are right, I afterwards felt thet the explosion was a bad decision. Its completely changes the joke and everything. Gives the picture too much movement.
Thanks, I'll try and make more :)
Psytrance, wow. I don't listen to industrial music much myself, but I have alot of friends who do. Actually I'm a bit tempted to go to this finnish indutrial music festival "konemetsä", thats held annually in the woods (translation: "machine forrest").
I checked Haltya from YouTube, sounded cool. Did you mean "puoskari", I don't know the artist, but that would mean a false doctor, or a person who pretends to be a doctor.
I have actully thought about making kind of "heavier Depeche Mode". Meaning I would make a metallish background with a computer, and sing (maybe roar too :) ) on top of it.
Anyways, I'm getting really carried away :)
Thank you again for an awesome comment.
So it begins...
Also, more live drawing. I think I didn't do so good at croquin this time, but I did alot better with the big picture we make afterwards. I have to take a camera with me to the school some time, and take a picture of the pig picture.
10-02-2007, 11:24 PM
Hi Jho :)
Yes would be great to see the big picture... and your smaller ones are coming
along fine, some days it feels easy - some days less so, you know how it is :)
Are you allowed to vary the materials you use in life-drawing (charcoal mechanical pencil,
graphite, conte, ink, ball-pen...)? By changing to a different drawing medium it can help you jump in new directions or solve problems (if that makes sense?)
Sorry I couldn't resist :P and yes you were right: me and my spelling... Puoskari - and the
above album is called "Medicine man" (in English)...(because of your comment the cover now makes sense :) )The music isn't really industrial, even though it is electronic - it has a lot of rythm and melody (fast paced) I think your idea sounds great! (making your own music) - and the festival sounds like a great thing too!
Keep posting and tell me to stop side-tracking :D
Heh. No need to stop side-tracking, its really nice to get to know you a bit better :)
We can use any materials we want, at the life-drawing class, but I have only used different pencils (HB-B8). I have been thinking about trying coal some time, but I'm not sure yet.
We are moving really fast at the 3D class, its just basics (a fork is the most complicated item we have done :) ), but I really have to focus to keep up.
The first work is a three picture set of dining table for six. I have done some coffee cups, plates and stuff. We haven't had anything about textures yet, so I'm just using the ones that came with Studio Max.
I know that I'm saying this all the time, but damn its good to be in the school. Its like first time ever I feel I belong to somewhere :)
And now I'll shut up about it :D
Here are really early pics of the dining table scene:
Some more life-drawing from today, and a little sketch I was thinking I'd put on my web page.
My wife made me paint a new pic of her SWG character...
Well, I guess, its good training :)
Errr. Should I warn people when I post pictures including nudity?
More 3D I did today in school:
10-04-2007, 08:36 PM
GREAT TO SEE YOUR NEW WORKS ...:thumbsup:
I really like that table setting with the spoon pointing towards the EARTH ...Dinnertime, come and get it:scream: :thumbsup:
I think you should for sure try your hand at charcoals, and conte crayons also...work on a large pad of newsprint when you use them..lots of fun.:)
No need to warn about nudity, as long as it is in good taste ..:)
Give plenty of warning about blood though...I've seen to much of the real thing lately, and it is always in bad taste..:eek:
You might check out the works of an artist whose name is Patrick Woodroffe...you can find him on the internet/ google I think...that perspective landscape you did reminds me of his works..check him out, I think you will really like his stuff, and his works will inspire your own creativity I think..I know they did mine :)
ANYWAY, ..GREAT to see you PROGRESSING, LEARNING, and ENJOYING your school...KEEP POSTING.. :thumbsup:
10-07-2007, 04:01 AM
Nice to see some of your updated work Juho. Your gestures are looking good, keep practicing them. And is your SWG character supposed to be missing one of her facials marks on her left cheek? Keep up the good work man.
I think I'll try out crayons next wednesday.
Hope nothing really bad hasn't happened, I mean if you have seen alot of blood lately.
I checkd Woodroffe out, great stuff. I really liked it.
Which picture do you mean, that is missing facial marks?
Did a character design for the superhero comic I'm drawing. Hes costume is based on the finnish crest (is "crest" correct, had to use dictionary for this one :)). Well the logo of finland :D ... this thing (http://plaza.fi/s/f/maf/wallpaper/suomileijona.jpg)
And also I had my first 3D picture reviewed. The teacher said it was ok, just a bit dark (I have lightened it a bit with photoshop for your viewing pleasure). He liked the bottle thing. If only I learned to make liquid now :D
Hi all. I haven't posted for a bit... I have worked with a new laptop, that my dear father gave to me, and as the scanner isn't plugged into it, I haven't scanned any of my scraps.
We have done alot of 3d at school, and I think I'm getting a faint grip of it, but there are still alot of things that confuse me, I'll just try to double my effort and I think I'll be fine.
Here is the last work we did, the topic was "beach coffee house". I'm very disappointed with how it turned out, and I think my teacher didn't like it much eighter. I mean there is potential, and maybe I'll finish it some day. But its just broken somehow.
Well, I learn from my mistakes...
This one I like alot more. The next assingment is "a toolbox", and I'm making a hammer for it. I can't take all the pride though, as we made it with the teacher.
I have also done alot of live drawing and its awesome. I have been thinking of taking photographs of the big drawings I'we made in the class, and post some here.
We got a new model, a man this time, which is great, as now I get alot of practise with both male and female anatomy.
Both of the models we have had, have been in almost perfect shape though. And it would be nice to try to draw someone really short, old, heavy etc.
School is still amazing, and I'm loving every second of it. My classmates are really nice too. Meroid Prime 3 (for Wii) just came out here, and I just had a couple of classmates over trying it out. I really enjoy their company, and I learn alot about art from them too.
10-30-2007, 10:09 AM
HEY...REALLY glad that your enjoying that school of yours, and the people that you are working/creating with also...:thumbsup:
Also REALLY enjoying seeing what is being taught in your school,..especally the 3D class..I often wondered what kind of stuff/lessons they would teach in a 3D class...now I am getting a chance to find out, through your updates in your sketchbook...GREAT..:)
NOW YOU KNOW, when you are done with your 3D classes,...you are going to have to teach me how to do some of that stuff you have learned, like doing glass for one thing..LOL:scream:
Just wanted to say that it's a REAL PLEASURE seeing your progress..:thumbsup: :) ...Hope you get a chance to post those big drawings that you mentioned above..would really enjoy seeing them...:)
You might take what you have learned in your life drawing class so far, and try it out on a family member, or friend,if you can get them to pose for you,...you can get used to doing clothed figures that way..someone of average built....just a passing thought..:)
AS ALWAYS, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, AND GREAT PROGRESS THAT COMES WITH IT...:thumbsup:
Glenn: I sure will, tell you all about what I have learned... I just have to learn it first :)
Do you mean glass as material, or as an object. Because I think glass as material is pretty easy. Of course there are alot of little things, like a classmate of mine did little bubbles inside the glass with bump mapping, looked awesome. Basically, what I know about it is just to start with raytrace material, and set transparency to 90-100, maybe give a bit of colour to diffuse. In bump map I usally use noise or cellular, or something like that to make the glass imperfect. Then I have usually just played a bit with speculars and thats pretty much it. If I figure out a great recepy, I'll be sure to tell you :D
The "on the rocks" glasses were made by drawing the side with line. Then I spinned it around with lathe, and gave it thickness with shell. Then I just rounded the borders a bit with chamfer.
I scanned some drawings from my sketchbook at school... And (again) forgot the camera. We had an awesome life drawing class today, I got out of school at 7:30 PM :)
We did the same pose 3 times, every time pretty fast (20 mins. + 20 mins. + 1 hour) and each time with different tools. I used pecil the first time, then coal, and crayons of some sort in the last piece.
I'll try and take some pics tomorrow, I thought I did pretty good.
Here are the scanns:
Yup. Its inspirated by Samus from Metroid, but its not trying to be accurate.
Some todays life drawing....
The first ones are 1 min croquin. And the second is a 20 min. piece.
11-01-2007, 01:22 PM
Hey Jho :thumbsup:
Great drawing progress! really impressive lines and growing confidence in the life drawing! Lovely to see :) I scrolled down looking first at your life drawing (male) sketches followed by the ones inspired by Samus from Metroid... it was probably just the way I was moving down the page that made me go WHOAH! this life-drawing session was pretty interesting (wondering if the model found it flattering), then I realized ;) - good drawings (both)
Your dinner setting looks cool, made me think of a 1950's style (clean white lines and the functional, modern (for '55) yet elegant sparse lines... not sure if that makes sense, but making different areas stand out with the play of light... (and yes the hammer is great :) )
take care and just keep going the way you are! Exciting to have a laptop as well :)
Thanks alot Frej!
I really think that the life drawing has had a great impact.
Thanks for acknowledging it, feels really nice :)
Here are all the big pieces I have done in the life drawing class, from the first to the most recent. Most are size A1 (~60x80,5 cm), the last 2 are half of that.
11-02-2007, 02:11 AM
Just got done looking through your sketchbook. You have made quite the improvement from your first pages. I really like your recent life drawing poses and your Samus and predator influenced drawings have a nice style to them.
And congratulations on the comic!
Devised_Poly: Thank you very much!
I have started making the next issue of SPL (the superhero thing). One character has died (the snowman, he took his own life in another magazine), and the whole thing is about the other characters coping with the fact that his gone.
I think this script is pretty good, it gives some nice depth to the character. For example, Finlander, the leader is trying to be rational, but he just can't undertand why would anyone kill themself. Raaka, the big guy below is just being angry and sad.
I have done the toolbox thingy further. I think I'm getting a bit better with Max, Turbosmooth doesn't ruin everything anymore, and I'm strating to get hang of materials too.
Here is tonights achievement (mostly the beer bottle, the screw drivers we made at school). I'm pretty happy with it. The glass might be a bit too bumpy, and there is a problem with the labels, but I think I'll be able to fix it tomorrow at school.
I notice sometimes that I'm still a bit afraid of working with 3d objects though. Starting to work is a bit slow at times, and I think its because I really don't feel comfortable with the 3ds Max yet. Its all so new to me. I guess I just have to do alot of 3d :)
Whoa! I got the next toolbox thing ready, and its not even 11 PM yet!!
Plus, I'm relatively happy with the result:
(So we were to do a toolbox. 1 closeup, 1 wireframe and one err. shot from further away)
Back to good old traditional comics...
We are studying lighting in Max at school. The teacher said that its the most important part of making 3d. You can have rushed modelling and texturing, and save it with lighting, but not the other way around, he said. I'm starting to believe that.
The object we are using is really simple. just 2 boxes on top of each other, hole in both of them and 4 boxes holding the upper one up. The texture is just gray with some red-brown cellular bump map.
Really really nice work, especially the ones you've taken time over - your life drawings and the comic and character art! When the page first loaded the first thing I saw was the rough page and I thought you were a beginner, but then I saw the rest of your work and was just bowled away. Lovely stuff.
Good to see you experimenting with lighting in Max! It's the only weak point of your early renders - if you re-set those up with the new techniques you've learned, I think the results will be stunning!
Thanks man. I still consider myself a beginner though.
I was talking to a friend of mine at school today, and he thought that it would be completely possible for me to get a 3d/animation/graphics summer job next summer. I just have to try and make a portfolio as fast as I can :)
I'm just thrilled to think that I could be a professional some day... And that that day might not be as far away as I think :bounce:
I started to make a human model for the next assingement. Can't wait for animation lessons. I know it is going to be really boring at times, but I think I just might have the nerves for it. Comics, and especially my style of them has teached me alot of patience :)
Oh! Oh! :bounce:
...And we did a life-size drawing at the life drawing class today, it was really cool!
I try to remember to bring my camera to school again some time and get a picture of it.
11-18-2007, 01:24 PM
WOW...That 3d stuff you are working on blows me away...:)
That interior in frame #224...GREAT..:applause: :thumbsup: ...IMAGINE HAVING SOME OF YOUR CHARACTERS RUNNING LOOSE INSIDE, OUTSIDE, AND ALL AROUND IT...:scream: ..WOULD BE GREAT..:)
Nice to see that you are getting into the human aspect/face/figures of 3d also..what you have learned in your ink work,and 2d figure drawing will surly come in handy, and will keep your 3d figures from being stiff and frozen looking I think..:)
ANYWAY,...Just stopping by to tell you...KEEP POSTING...IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE WHAT YOU ARE LEARNING, AND TO SEE YOUR PROGRESS HAPPENING...:thumbsup: :applause: :)
Thanks alot Glenn!
The great thing is that I'm starting to understand the difference between good and bad lighting. Of course I'm just in the beginning of a long path here, but still, it feels really nice to realise this kind of stuff.
Some character sheets for a superhero comic. I'm not doing any comics myself for that one, just these sheets, as I have alot of other things to do.
More character sheets. This one is called Vaakuna, he is dressed like the Finnish seal lion (http://www.rockpaidat.com/shop/images/Leijona_hihamerkki.jpg) (not seal as the animal, seal as the mark, or logo, or what ever it is :P). I think it turned out pretty well. Better than the others anyways.
BTW. I'm sometimes a little worried that I'm being labeled as a militaristic nationalist for doing all these violent Finnish superheroe comics all the time :)
I mean, the name of the comic I'm drawing is "The League of Finland's Protectors" (roughly translated). And could easily be the name of some propaganda magazine or something :D
Err. Well thats not the case. I really like my country, but thats all. Actually I'm a pretty pasifistic person, I hate all kind of violence (I like martial arts though, but its not violence in my oppinnion when your opponent is willingly your opponent, and no one is really hurt. If you know what I mean :) ).
Right... Thats all about that. And I'm sure this was clear to almost everyone, but you never know what people might think when you're whole persona is being displayed by merely words on a computer screen.
More character sheets...
A new SWG character (Female Wookie)... My wife keeps creating new ones, and forces me to paint them :D
Well, keeps me painting, so its good I guess...
EDIT: Oh, and I'm advancing with the head too...
Hey those characters are pretty good!
I really like that mooseman and the guy with the cloak!
Your Vaakuna is nice too... like the dynamic pose
Keep rockin! :buttrock:
11-21-2007, 09:40 PM
Hi Jho :)
I really like popping in to your thread and see what you are up to :thumbsup:
Even though (like you said) it's clear to me that you aren't the agro fighting
militant type, it was still nice to read your comments on preferring martial arts
and a pacifist nature over war-mongering for the sake of violence alone :)
The Vakuuna is really cool - I think all your characters have a lot going for them
and I like the way you're drawing them with 2 views.
Ihismuoto (I'm guessing this is the name of the one with the cloth/hollow face?)
to me the hairy legs have a slight humorous feel to them; perhaps it's just that I would expect him to have a full length cloak - and that he ends up looking half-dressed. I am interested in what this guy does - is he supposed to be symbolic of protecting through inflicting death - or bringing death to enemy just through his appearance? - just curious :)
Hope all else is going well - you sure are flying along here, and setting goal to work on 3D next summer sounds great! keep enjoying and creating :)
NR43: Thanks alot! The pose is supposed to mimic the original coat of arms.
Frejasphere: Hello, and thank you. Always nice to receive feedback from you.
"Ihmismuoto" just means human form. So its the Mooseman in his human form. And the hairy legs are a bit funny for me too, I think I was trying to make similar dress as Roman soldiers have, but somehow it turned out like that :D
Your intterested about his story, really nice to hear! As he is pretty much created by me :D
in about 1000 AD, before cristianity came to Finland, there were 2 major religional groups in Finland (the vikings didn't visit Finland much, because they were afraid of all the shamans. And there wasn't much to steal. So we didn't share the same religion with them) the people of the bear, and the people of the moose. You can even hear the respect for both these animals from the strong names, Hirvi and Karhu (people were also afraid to speak these words aloud, so theres alot of synonymes for them).
Well anyways... He is a part of the still excisting people of the moose, and is the head shaman of his people. He is so powerful that he can take the form of a moose... and well I would be spoiling the story if I told more :)
I'm Makin cover for the independence day special of MKK-Entertainment....
Finished version of the independence day special cover:
My todays piece from life drawing class.
I did a comic for the Independence day Special after all. Had all of 1,5 days to do it too :D
11-30-2007, 06:48 PM
Great energy it your thread - keep it up!
Gord-MacDonald: Thanks alot!
I'm going for a vacation tomorrow. Carribean cruise :D
And later New York :DDDD
So I had to rush my next school assingment a bit :(
Well this is what I managed to muster out:
See you all in 2 weeks!
12-06-2007, 01:13 PM
REALLY REALLY LIKE WHAT YOU DID ON THE LAST ONE POSTED...GREAT SHOW OF IMAGINATION, WITH SOMETING THAT IS NEW TO YOU,,,:applause: :thumbsup:
That drawing in frame #230....FANTASTIC...VERY DYNAMIC...:bounce:
GREAT TO SEE SUCH GREAT PROGRESS...:thumbsup: :)
HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT VACATION BY THE WAY :thumbsup: ....ENJOY...:)
SpiritDreamer: Thanks alot Glenn!
You are too kind with your comment on the 3d picture. I could have done alot better.
The #230 I think I did better though. Its a real pitty the life drawing class is over, I loved it... Well lets hope another one starts soon :)
The trip to the Caribbean and NYC was just mindblowing. I think this was my second or third time outside European borders, and everything was amazing. If you ever get a change to go to barbados for instance, I strongly suggest you go, it was beautiful there!
3 Days was just too little for New York. I looked for a comic store the whole time, and found one... as we drowe pass it in the cab to the airport :'(
But thats about that. I still think the last 3d pic I did was really rushed and the outcome was pretty poor. So now I just have to do my best with the next one. I still have about 2 weeks to get it done.
I have alot of comic pages to do also, so its going to be a busy years start for me. Its ok though, maybe I'll learn alot from all the work and get to call myself a professional someday.
Yup, so here is a rough sketch of page 10 for the superhero comic thing:
The next 3d assignment is "a musical instrument". And I'm making drumms. I thought of original drum set. Then I decided to make them a bit different, like elcronical drum pads, toy drums etc. Finally I came up with a set of cauldrons, fryingpans, kettles etc. Played by a monster. The main focus is on the geometry, and making really precise models similar to real life objects. My wife is a chef... we have alot of kettles, so I think I'll do fine this time :D
Here is a frying pan I started to make (the geometry is almost finished, but I'll still work the materials alot):
Its a bit dark, as its a teflon pan...
Finally, here is the rough start of the model of the monster:
I always like the wireframed version of everything organic I try to do... Any suggestions to fix that?
Just more edges?
Oh yeah... And I hope you all had a nice Christmas (or Hanukka, or Jule, or just vacation). And I wish you all a wonderful new year!
12-29-2007, 05:20 AM
Hey Juho!!!... really cool sketchbook you've got here!!:thumbsup:... enjoyed watching your school work as well as your drawings. About the last post... I was thinking, wouldnt it be better to funish him in a default, standing pose and then pose him with joints or some deformers(I have no idea what deformers you 3DSMax guys use), rather than model him sitting down straight away?
anandpg: "you 3DSMax guys"... Well, someday I hope :rolleyes:
Anyways... Thanks alot. And yes, it would be alot more convinient to model it in standing position first with joints... But I have no idea how :(
Well have animation and rigging at school in the coming months, so my characters should improve in general. Actually I'm not even supposed to make characters... As we are only learning to make objects.
Really glad to receive feedback from industry pros like yourself. Thanks alot again!
Some comic pages I'we been able to muster out lately:
01-03-2008, 05:23 AM
Hey Juho!! great work on the comic book!!:thumbsup:
anandpg: Thanks! Here is another page:
01-03-2008, 10:57 PM
I'm diggin the comic pages. Nice line work.
I think you should start with a lower rez mesh to work out the major shapes for the 3d green monster. Are you using subdiv in maya? If so then nevermind.
muttonman222: Thank for the advise. I did start with pretty basic shapes, and the moster has Turbosmooth with 3 iterations. Haven't tried out Maya yet. I don't remember if we have any Maya classes this year.
I found a really good tutorial for making faces, but it came a bit late for the monster (its 3 PM, and I have to return this tomorr.. today).
Well, here it is. I'm not proud of it, but I did it anyways:
New page for the comicbook:
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