CGTalk - New MATRIX images and Japanese Trailer

Vic3k

01-20-2003, 02:24 AM

grr can't see ppl drooling and sreaming to see it. yes the first one was good but nothing mindblowing or masterpieceful. just plain action movie with more twist. oh no wait, we should get into very intelectiual discussion about which pill leads to which path if a pill is a pilll and red or blue and not green and yellow. brb
9/10 sequels to any movie end up crappy and crappier ans number of a sequel grows. don't get your hopes up high. i'm sure it's another SW: EP1

kydjester

01-20-2003, 02:59 AM

OMG !!! I HAVENT EVEN LOOKED AT THE TEASER YET AND IT"S SO COOL

Per-Anders

01-20-2003, 03:05 AM

hmm... this one looks even more commercialised than the last one.. also for me the effects looked better in the still shots than in motion at least in the trailer, but then it's something else on teh big screen i guess. i'm sure it'll be an enjoyable enough way to spend a couple of hours, but i don't think i'm going to be in any massive hurry to go see this when it opens, maybe a few weeks after.

Larry_g1s

01-20-2003, 03:29 AM

I absolutely can't wait for these movies. I soooo glad they'll be showing both this year ! ! ! ! ! !

Thanks for the trailors.

Captain

01-20-2003, 04:32 AM

Well, I know this is all bout the matrix, and like you, I can't wait. I feel the matrix is the StarWars of this generation. But there is one movie im a little more excited about: "Road To Perdition". Its already been in the theaters, but I've been waitin for the vid release for ever

-Captain

Captain

01-20-2003, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by Vic3k
9/10 sequels to any movie end up crappy and crappier ans number of a sequel grows. don't get your hopes up high. i'm sure it's another SW: EP1

By The way. Star wars 2, or "the empire strikes back" was far superior to the first star wars in many (including my) opinion.

-Captain

dark_lotus

01-20-2003, 05:11 AM

I'm so there on opening day.

I love the matrix!!!

Oh and I thought Episode I was AWESOME. so :p

kraal

01-20-2003, 07:18 AM

i agree with captin on this on episode one was a bad movie for the fact that it was a bad movie ...empire stricks back was a great movie...even return of the jedi was good (and i hate ewoks)....indiana jones and the temple of doom was a good movie....hmm i could go on but i wont...i am looking forward to all the matrix installments including the animatrix....the difference is these were planned to be a trillogy....unlike starwars which no matter how much you arguee was only made into as many parts as it has because it would sell...sure there was back story but all movies have back story...the problem arises when you try to recreate this back story and real;ize it is not solid...i could go on but wont

AWAKE

01-20-2003, 07:41 AM

I saw the square animatrix. It was amazing and sucked at the same time. Very similar to the Final fantasy movie. Actually, they used the EXACT same models. COOL!

AJE

01-20-2003, 07:51 AM

The ultimate question is will Matrix 2 become the biggest box office movie ever?

Will it beat Spiderman's record setting opening?

DOOMNINJA

01-20-2003, 08:05 AM

HYPE HYPE HYPE!

There looked to me too ME, to be NOTHING in that trailer that would warant ANY attention to some original concept, some innovation, or even a piece of pie. Err, imaginative conceptualization. Although i really like pie, especially pecan... oh, or pumpkin!

I for one don't mind a little re with my hash when it comes to movies, ESPECIALLY sequels. However, when they simply change the colours - so to speak - of scenes they already did in the previous films, it starts to grate on me. I enjoyed the look of that preview, the portrayed atmosphear of DOOM, (and so forth) that really impends some sort of ambiguous COOL just waiting to become food for my eyes. Which i like. Unfourtunatly, (for me?) Its bothersome that i may not be seeing anything NEW at ALL. It neccisarily does'nt have to be super-original for me to appreciate it, but at least fresh or just a little DIFFERENT.

I don't mind a movie being unoriginal, as long as i can at least say that i havent SEEN IT BEFOR.

Heres hopeing its cool,

-DOOM

P.S. The Lord of the Rings is the "Starwars" of THIS century. (as long as you ommit EP 1 and 2. ... :P)

cuse

01-20-2003, 08:54 AM

top be honest i would rather just watch the teaser on the matrix site (http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/reloaded_trailer_640.html), and wait for the film... dont wanna see or hear too much thats gonna spoil it fir me :scream:

cuse

Judge Drury

01-20-2003, 08:59 AM

Well well, we're all so different eh?:p

I actually prefer to see a movie where all the rules of the world and the story have been set, and the characters have been filled out.

Now we can get on with the action!:buttrock:

xyth

01-20-2003, 09:23 AM

Hiya,

Can't wait, etc, etc... :D

One thing I can't understand: why is it needed to pick only one "best" movie? LOTR, SW and Matrix are in different categories!

Of course we have different opinion about these (different) films. We are in the common group of individualism... :rolleyes:

-xyth

Howzat

01-20-2003, 09:28 AM

Ditto judge!
They could use exactly the same type of effects in the second and third movies for all I care, as long as the story is as kickarse as the original!

LucentDreams

01-20-2003, 10:20 AM

My question is what makes you so excited about these two?

I mean I wanna see the movies because I thought the story idea was an interesting concept even with the absolutly corny dialogue. but while the first movie also had the amazing effects to give you an extra wow factor, we know they can do it, its nothing new from what the teaser shows, Part of the matix succes was people had never seen anything like it, the next two can't do too much differently without huge continuity issues like those that George lucas hasin his new starwars movies.

I will see the movies in theatre, probably not opening day or anything, I think these will be way overhyped and disappoint a lot of people. I'm hoping they add well to the matrix story concept and are well shot, not expecting a better script though hiring a single good writer (I'm refering to dialogue not story) couldmake the difference there.

here's hoping

xyth

01-20-2003, 11:06 AM

Hiya,

Kaiskai: I hope you are not trying to tell us what is the Matrix! ;)

Anyway, here the Charlie's Angels II trailer is shown in cinema. What could I say; 3 chicks, big bangs, weapons and unbelieveably done unbelieveable effects. But it does not have a story. They save the world, again. Same as James Bond, IMHO, with girls, where every 5 minutes have a holy big stupidity, because even with much luck those actions simply can't happen! And still, I will watch CA...

Matrix have a great plot, even that if you watch a lot of anime you could make a little, very good novel --everything begins with a good idea, as everybody knows here. The Watchowski bros took their idea and worked out precisely. Not to mention that many of us here read the LOTR and had an (very high) expectation, while we had to watch the Matrix to find out what it is all about, 'cos we didn't have a clue!

I know somebody (everybody) will be angry about the following, but the LOTR made from a book! The director had to read it only and paint it to the screen! Okay, okay, that's not really the truth. It was a HUUUGE work, I really liked the movie as well.

What I really want to point out is that a good movie can be explained as a bad and vice versa.

And still I'm a fan of Matrix (and any good film), I won't see it on the first day... (Mainly because most of you will be talking about the effects, when here they began to show the trailer. :cry: )

-xyth

Howzat

01-20-2003, 11:16 AM

I think Lord of the rings doesn't hold a candle to the matrix... mainly because I see the story unfolding fairly easily in Lord of the rings. When I think back to the first time I saw the matrix, I was totally blown away. We get so many action movies with great effects but hardly ANY with a great story that you need to think about. I think the matrix is the Star Wars of this generation. It is science-fiction at its best. And I love the fact that it was written as a trilogy initially. Hopefully it means that together all three movies will tell an epic story.
I think that is the greatest strength of Star Wars, Lord of the rings and the matrix. You can tell that there is SUBSTANCE to the story. And I think the first matrix is better than the first Lord of the rings because it stands by itself much much better. I don't think fellowship of the ring would be anything without the next two movies. The original matrix is great regardless of what comes out this year.

LucentDreams

01-20-2003, 11:28 AM

uhm the LOTR movies won't stand alone becuase they werre never intended to they match the novels, which don't work alone either, basically its a single book split into a trilogy, which in relity is 6 books, each containing its own chapters.

The matrix, was an excellent plot but with no guaranteed sequels or prequels until after its release. It had to hold up alone as that wasits first intention.

Amazed that you say Starwars also has a sound plot, maybe the 4,5,6, but the new three give me a break lucas is all over the place and lost what he had, I still say lucas biggest mistake in the new starwars movies was directing and producing them himself.

Howzat

01-20-2003, 11:32 AM

Yeah I was talking more about the original Star Wars.
And I concede the point about Lord of the rings not standing up alone as well as the matrix because it was written as three books.
I just find it frustrating that I'm going to have to wait another year before I'm going to be satisfied with the Lord of the rings story.
But I understand that telling such an epic story takes time... Dammit!

xyth

01-20-2003, 11:42 AM

About sequels and prequels: I don't think that it is really needed for a good movie. I take as an example The Fifth Element. It is a complete story, a very nice film, but I feel I wouldn't be really interested it's past and future...

The Matrix is a trilogy, but the first part stands, because they were not allowed to make it as a whole. "Let's see what are the reactions of auditence!" -said (of course, not W. bros said that.)

I'm really surprised by the SWII. I didn't really wanted to see it, because the first was a horror to me... :( The second was much more better, however I'm still confused by the names and places... :)

I believe technocrats like Matrix more and followers of mysticism like LOTR more. They're does not have holes... (I would have questions about the LOTR, anyway)

-xyth

Robbert

01-20-2003, 12:25 PM

Great trailer! thx Deepray :buttrock:

b2055329

01-20-2003, 12:57 PM

Is it just me, or doesn't it look some what reminiscent of the first movie??? I did think the first movie was great, but..... :rolleyes:

cuse

01-20-2003, 01:02 PM

you dont think it should>?

cuse

Jeebus

01-20-2003, 04:13 PM

In case you guys hadn't seen this, there's an article about the movies at Newsweek (http://www.msnbc.com/news/850165.asp) that's quite good. Check it out.

CooLMaN

01-20-2003, 05:05 PM

link isnt working :annoyed:

cuse

01-20-2003, 05:13 PM

worked fine for me... dammit i didnt want to read that :)

cuse

Hacker

01-20-2003, 05:36 PM

i can't link either:annoyed:

D7X

01-20-2003, 05:44 PM

its like matrixfans.net has been taken off the air, accodring to "Plesk" The site is not configured or plesk aint hosting matrixfans anymore :surprised

scorpion

01-20-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by D7X
its like matrixfans.net has been taken off the air, accodring to "Plesk" The site is not configured or plesk aint hosting matrixfans anymore :surprised

A Few Minutes ago I could connect to this page, but now i've got the same probs.

But it was time enough to get the link for the second teaser.

Does anyone got the link for the third teaser.

spr0g

01-20-2003, 05:55 PM

*pirates voice*
aaaarrrghhh... it be dead captin'..
*/pirates voice*

DePingus

01-20-2003, 06:39 PM

As a side note, I've read many articles concerning the new Matrix films and I think I figured out why they're releaseing 2 & 3 so close together. Aparently the Waschoski Bros. didn't like that EVERYONE started to copy their visual storytelling style and mind blowing effects (*coughSwordfishcough*). By releasing the two movies so close together the copycats won't have time to steal part 3's thunder. They're trying to surpass part 1's visuals (hopefully to enhance the story) and from I've seen and read of that freeway scene they're gonna suceed!

And for those of you that think that the 1st Matrix was nothing more that good action / sfx movie I must pose the question:
What the hell's wrong with you!? :curious:

kraal

01-20-2003, 07:25 PM

i think it is interesting that every one tah says it is just hype are basing the fact that there is nothing new on the trailers....in actuality there is nothing on the trailers.....if u read any of the reports they plan to do what they did with kungfu with vehicles this time actually i was going to post more but they would probably be spoilers to some

skilled v²

01-20-2003, 07:27 PM

someone get another link in here :annoyed:

Caused it doesnt work... Damn i always come to late, wish i coudl ahve seen it i will look for more links for it

Peace

scorpion

01-20-2003, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by skilled v²
someone get another link in here :annoyed:

Caused it doesnt work... Damn i always come to late, wish i coudl ahve seen it i will look for more links for it

Peace

The Link for the second teaser is:

http://www.nintendofanboy.com/reloadedCM.mpeg

it was the third server that was available.

iatepaste

01-20-2003, 07:57 PM

Of course "The Empire Strikes Back" was better. Lucas didn't direct it!

Lee3dee

01-20-2003, 08:00 PM

the trailer was very sweet! Hope there's a different one in the super bowl. Im also looking forward to seeing the Hulk trailer too.

Its gonna be a good year for movie =)

P_T

01-20-2003, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Vic3k
... and red or blue and not green and yellow...

red and blue is perceived to be opposite colors whereas green is an in-between color (mix of blue and yellow) so you can't really have green and yellow pills :p

sorry... i just can't resist this one... don't take me seriously Vic... im just playing...

Captain

01-20-2003, 10:23 PM

We need Spiderman 2. Thats what I'm waiting for. See that movie would have much more potential to be a good sequal, cause there are 40 years of comics to tear from. Plus, I can't wait to see what new Visual FX techs they use.

-Captain

pgp_protector

01-20-2003, 10:37 PM

Forget Spiderman 2, you want a movie that is crying for FX. think "Green Lantern" :)

aevium

01-21-2003, 04:24 AM

Old news.

The Magic Pen

01-21-2003, 04:58 AM

Personally I would like to see a modern day Superman movie with a good director...good script and someone who can actually convincingly play the kind of Superman we see in the Kingdom Come series .. With modern FX the movie would be awesome !! :thumbsup:

xyth

01-21-2003, 08:29 AM

Hiya,

I think Matrix can't be compared to Spiderman and other american-hero movies. Actually, this spidey was boooring, imho... :hmm: Not only the story, but the fx as well.

Does anybody remember Tron? The first film made by computer and played in a computer. Somehow similar to Matrix... :) The other thing if you watch it today's eyes, the actors still does not say stupid things as they use eg. in startrek (my fav. though! :D ). You can smile on that fx, but have a look at Spiderman; what's new? Notin'... :(

How a spideyfan, but cg-mad sees this?
-xyth

Vic3k

01-22-2003, 09:43 AM

red and blue is perceived to be opposite colors whereas green is an in-between color (mix of blue and yellow) so you can't really have green and yellow pills
omg :surprised

get over it ppl. you wouldn't see anything more surpassive than matrix1 as you wouldn't for any movie in near time coz all the movie makers are obsessed with now are vfx and nothing more.
infact. i think the only few movies i liked past 2 years didn't have much vfx going anyway.
lotr was nothing really impressive either. if you want a plot with the same time setting and atmoshphere. go rent Conana the barbarian hahaha, what a sh.... it was.
perhaps times magazine and metalica dude really brainwash you with each "blabla dude raving and givinng (insert a movie) a big thumbs up." "Best movie of this year!" almost every movie. the dark force has clouded your minds! don't expect good things from movies these days coz they are intended for today's degenerating youth and rap lovers who just don't know where to point those 2 thingers so they point them everywhere every time. wow 21st century!

xyth

01-22-2003, 10:07 AM

Hmm, did we find somebody who hadn't undestand the underlying message of the Matrix? And no, this is not a magazines words, neither the tv told me.

I'm sure the media can do pretty nasty with people. Don't go far away, turn on Fox news or CNN: they're trying to tell you the war is great and already began, and Iraq is bad! I'm not here to judge this, but I've never seen any dumber than those who want war...

Aaanyway, I've seen the Matrix couple of times, and not because I couldn't understand the movie, but there were tiny little things which came out at the sixth watching, with that image and with that emphasis. And no, I'm not snobbish, I really know what I'm talking about.

From the other side, I don't really know anybody who reached such a huge success as the matrix.
Think about this: they wrote the Assassin, which actually a remake. Then they started to go to big companies with their idea of Matrix. Of course they were nobody, so the big company said them they should make a little movie, than they'll see. They made Bound. Than Matrix was the next...

-xyth

pgp_protector

01-22-2003, 05:04 PM

FYI if you want to see a good movie that dos'nt need a lot of FX, check out SIGNS.

P_T

01-22-2003, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Vic3k
omg :surprised

get over it ppl. you wouldn't see anything more surpassive than matrix1 as you wouldn't for any movie in near time coz all the movie makers are obsessed with now are vfx and nothing more.
infact. i think the only few movies i liked past 2 years didn't have much vfx going anyway.
lotr was nothing really impressive either. if you want a plot with the same time setting and atmoshphere. go rent Conana the barbarian hahaha, what a sh.... it was.
perhaps times magazine and metalica dude really brainwash you with each "blabla dude raving and givinng (insert a movie) a big thumbs up." "Best movie of this year!" almost every movie. the dark force has clouded your minds! don't expect good things from movies these days coz they are intended for today's degenerating youth and rap lovers who just don't know where to point those 2 thingers so they point them everywhere every time. wow 21st century!

did u somehow forget to read the don't take me seriously Vic... im just playing... part??? oh well :shrug: since u wanna play...

1st of all, man u really sound jaded... life's that tough for ya is it?? the problem is not just with the movie (well sometime it is) but with the audience as well... u see when i go and see an action movie such as the matrix, i know better than to expect the storyline to have shakespeare like quality, so i watched it for the action sequences and the VFX which really was mindblowing. On the contrary, when i go and see a drama like Snow Falling on Cedar, then i'll be expecting a good storyline coz i'll be a moron if i expect it to have an awesome VFX.

Secondly, this is a CG forum (naturally filled with CG freaks and fans :P ) and Matrix showed an original and innovative VFX, so it's only natural that people here will judge the movie based a lot on the VFX.

Thirdly, i really don't see anything wrong being a "rap lover". it's just a music genre just like any other with strong points and weaknesses, so mate... putting down the rap genre really makes you sound more like a sith than a jedi...

Vic3k

01-23-2003, 02:11 PM

hahaha. funny

P_T

01-23-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Vic3k
hahaha. funny

is that the best u can do bud? hmm... very persuasive argument there... ;)

Vic3k

01-23-2003, 02:44 PM

:surprised

PhilWesson

01-23-2003, 02:50 PM

Now now gentlemen, no need to start snapping back and forth at each other.

Howzat

01-24-2003, 12:58 AM

Shut up David.

:) :beer: :wavey:

cityhunter

02-01-2003, 09:34 AM

UM... I can't find the japanese trailer, none of the links work for me. I think vic3k should chill out on that shit. If you don't like the matrix, why are you in this area? Different folks, different strokes. Same goes for rap music, just because you don't like it doesn't mean that we have to go by your standard of taste, just sayin' that you don't have to put it down. It's like me going "hmm. I hate Barabra Streinsand, So I guess I'll go to the Barabra Streinsand chatroom and diss on her music."

cityhunter

02-01-2003, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Vic3k

don't expect good things from movies these days coz they are intended for today's degenerating youth and rap lovers who just don't know where to point those 2 thingers so they point them everywhere every time. wow 21st century! [/B]

Oh by the way, that sounds pretty closed minded. Why shouldn't we expect good things from movies these days. Sure there are some movies that are quite "Quality". But there are good ones too. Yes, welcome to the 21st century, pops. Where people are more open-minded.

xyth

02-03-2003, 07:51 AM

Hiya,

I agree with cityhunter. I really feel for sometime Hollywood is full of great ideas which are not really worked out well. However to copy the idea is never a good idea: X-men was a new wave comics-movie, than came Spiderman, Hulk, X-men2, Fantastic Four, etc...

The other thread is the 'terrorist' movie (007 as well).

Another is the war movie (Windtalkers, Pearl Harbour, etc.)

Fortunately it's the end of teenager movies. :D

Collect those and which remains is a good or very good movie. (Okay, do not deal with The Fast and the Furious... ;) )

Did I miss something?
-xyth