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ThomasMahler
07-18-2006, 02:56 PM
July 18, 2006 - With three weeks until Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference, Think Secret has learned exclusively that CEO Steve Jobs will use his keynote address to announce the debut of movie rentals through the iTunes Music Store. While the announcement will undoubtedly be billed as a further extension of iTunes' dominance in digital media downloads, it represents a coup for the movie industry, which will have succeeded in standing its ground against Apple's pressures to offer consumers the option of owning movie downloads.

Apple is said to have ironed out agreements with Walt Disney, Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, and Warner Bros., and is currently in talks with other major movie studios as well. It's unknown to what extent content will be available come the August 7 announcement, or whether Apple will announce all of its studio deals at that time.

Because the movies will be rented to consumers and not sold, people familiar with the situation report downloads will be coded with a date stamp that will restrict playback. It is not known exactly how the coding system will work, but industry experts tell Think Secret that the software would likely either limit the number of playbacks or provide unlimited viewing for a period of time, after which the movie will be "turned off" and no longer available.

Apple's decision to implement a rental model for movies will be a major departure for the company and Jobs. Apple had been trying for months to persuade the movie studios that the a-la-carte model of buying individual titles, as the iTunes Music Store offers with music, was the way to go. The studios, however, have been fixed on offering only a subscription or rental-based model.

"We knew that Steve [Jobs] saw the rental model as the only viable option," a person familiar with the situation said. "We knew it was a matter of time before he signed on."

"The subscription business makes sense for everybody. We'll all make money. But more importantly, it's a different beast from music and no one—not even Steve Jobs—is blind to that," the insider said.

Source: ThinkSecret.com

This could either be great or disastrous. If people manage to hack this service, they will be able to get full versions of films for the price that they actually rented the movie and the industry will suffer from that.

That's kind of the same thing Jobs did with the Music Industry - but back then he told the record companies that he's sure that people would hack subscription services and that Apple can't do anything against that. A quote from an interview with the Rolling Stone Magazine back then:

Because of their technological innocence, I would say. When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know, it was a while ago. It took us 18 months. And at first we said: None of this technology that you're talking about's gonna work. We have Ph.D.'s here, that know the stuff cold, and we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content.

I honestly don't believe that a rental service for films would work. But maybe Jobs already thought about the consequence. If it's not going to work, if people hack the service and 'steal' the content, then two things could happen: Either the whole movie industry would quit the deal or they'd try it 'The Jobs way' - means that you'd buy the content like you can now buy mp3s. What do you guys think?

swardson
07-18-2006, 03:31 PM
a big make or break for this will be the resolution's I could see it as a novelty to rent movies for your ipod or something, but personally when I watch a movie I want to see it on my LCD TV with surround sound. If they offer a version that can be easily played and at a descent resolution, it could work for me.

More than likely it will take off, just like the TV shows, music, podcasting, ipod.

Im excited to see all the cool new stuff Apple has in a few weeks.

-Brad

mummey
07-18-2006, 03:38 PM
CGSociety: Posting any Apple Rumour as News since 2005. :rolleyes:

Hawke
07-18-2006, 03:44 PM
Sorry but if renting is the movie studios best offer they can keep it, it's not cost effective - unless your the one making money off of it.

ThomasMahler
07-18-2006, 03:45 PM
Yeah, but the thing is that all of this stuff isn't based on a subscription service, so you don't lose your movie collection after watching films 5 times or after a certain date. You buy it, you own it. With this service, you buy it, watch it, lose it. I've ripped all of my favourite DVDs to my hard drive, cause it's just convenient not having to look through the collection everytime I want to see a certain scene, take screenshots, whatever.

I don't think that this'll just be for video iPods - it'd just be too much trouble for 'just' iPods. I think this'll be the real deal and it actually comes quite some time later than probably most would have thought.

Another quote from the Rolling Stones interview:


Lots people who work in the movie business have watched what's happened to the music industry and think they're next. Do you see that?

It is a problem. But movies are very different than music. First of all, they're a hundred times larger. So in countries like the U.S., where broadband is not very evolved, it takes forever to download a high-quality version of a movie. And remember that the bar is going to get raised on that quality in another four years, when we have high-definition DVDs in the market. That's going to increase the download times by another ten X. Because people's of what they want are going to go up with that. Second, movies are not deconstructable into songs, like an album is, that are easy to download. Five minutes of a movie isn't very useful. You want the whole thing. Third, there's only been one way to buy your music -- that's on a CD. Look at the ways there are to legally buy a movie -- you can see it at the theater, you can buy it on home video, you can buy on DVD. But you can also rent it at Blockbuster or Netflix. You can watch it on pay-per-view. You can also watch it on cable or network TV. There are a lot of ways to legally get a movie. There was only one way to legally get music. That's a really big difference. The distribution is much more highly evolved in the movie industry than it ever was in the music industry.

Now, all this doesn't mean that piracy isn't taking place in movies -- because it is. And that doesn't mean that it's good -- because it's not. But because of all those factors, people who just make the leap that movies are next are wrong. It may take a different path.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5939600/steve_jobs_the_rolling_stone_interview/
So that's actually quite interesting. Now, for HD... how big would those file sizes be? Even with H.264, this stuff would probably still be around 5 - 10 gigabytes, at least. Now, would you download a 10 gigabytes file just for watching it like 5 times or if you'd lose the content after a few days? I certainly wouldn't. I'd much rather pay like 10-15 bucks for the download to own the film. That'd be okay in my book.

CelticArtist
07-18-2006, 05:32 PM
This is apple, so they know what they're doing, however, did Jobs never hear of Divx? And I don't mean the codec, I mean the original Divx player by Circuit City. It was a rental system where you bought a dvd for like 5 bucks and could watch it for 3 days, if you wanted it for longer, you had to purchase 3 more days, etc. It failed utterly and completely miserably, Circuit City lost millions. Let's hope Apple doesn't make the same mistake.

Fredl
07-18-2006, 10:26 PM
I think Steve Jobs has failed.

He wanted to sell movies, like iTunes sells music.

He couldn't convince the studios. Instead, this will be a "rental" service, where you download a movie and it has a date stamp, and deletes itself on a certain date.

I guess at least you won't have to pay late fees at the Blockbuster store.

Layer01
07-19-2006, 04:59 AM
i like the sound of this, if the rez and price is right (chances are it wont be, i can already smell the greed) and they come out at good times then i may get some..though the "rental" thing pisses me off. but who do they think they are kidding lol, it makes me laugh when i read the stuff about the movey being coded to stop working. $5 says its cracked by a 13 year old german hacker within the week :p

heavyness
07-19-2006, 05:22 AM
netflix is already renting HD DVD (http://www.netflix.com/BrowseSelection?sgid=2442&hnjr=3) and Blu Ray (http://www.netflix.com/BrowseSelection?sgid=2444&hnjr=3) and i don't see Apple matching that resolution... i don't even see them matching DVD resolution. this is great for people who watch full length movies on their ipod, by themselves, and have strong arms to hold the ipod up for 2 hours at a time. but for the masses, i don't think it's going to work.

plus, think of the bandwidth these movies are going to eat up. someone has to pay for that.

stick to the shorts and tv shows, that works. you own those, those are only 22 minutes long.

enygma
07-19-2006, 07:15 AM
stick to the shorts and tv shows, that works. you own those, those are only 22 minutes long.
Or 43 minutes long... ;)

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