Andrew Loomis Books

[Gemini82]

see above post

[Icarus]

we have an anatomy forum, would be better if you posted there.

[ndat]

What we should do is collect them all and put up a torrent, that way it will stay up for a long time.

Thanks for the links adding them to my collection.

[RabidDonkey]

How in the world do you download them?

[Sentenza]

Scroll down a litte ...
Search for the underlined - up-file all 4you - ...
and click on it ...
site changed/reloads and the download button appears ...

[anakinbrego]

When I was in art school, these were required to study from, and don't forget to study from The Human Figure by John H. Vanderpoel! ;)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486204324/104-3961999-0350309?v=glance&n=283155

I spent $200 "For Figure Drawing for all it's worth", now here it's for free, that kinda makes me a bit mad......I just got over it. :)

[RentaLLMay]

hi,
thanks for the effort. :thumbsup:
Unfortunately "Sucessful drawing" has been deleted :sad:

[Gemini82]

Successful drawing link has been fixed enjoy :)

[Lunatique]

If you can have one link that has all the downloads on it, I'll stick it in the Art Techniques and Theories sticky thread. We've always had Loomis links there, but those links are now dead.

[Gemini82]

Per request of Lunatique here are all the loomis books in one link, the file is about 124mb

http://up-file.com/download/11d12d838799/loomisbooks.rar.html

for those who just want one piticular book the indidvidual links are still available. Any problems feel free to PM me.

Scroll down a litte ...
Search for the underlined - up-file all 4you

P.S. Read ,love, and enjoy

[Lunatique]

Thank you. I added this thread to the sticky as the current download source for Loomis books.

[Manifestant]

Thanks, Chris.
It was tough trying to find the download link because it appears hidden and when you hover over it, it treats the cursor as if the link is just text (no hand/arrow/etc). But, I'm loading the full version now. Thanks again. Also saving the site in my faves. 1000MB upload file limit... excellent, especially for those conserving their bandwidth in the animation forum.

[bj0ern]

I set up a torrent for the complete set of books.

The torrent file is available here:
ftp://ftp.witwenmacher.net/Andrew_Loomis_Books.torrent

Have fun.

[Gemini82]

Thanks for setting up the torrents

[bumskee]

I spent $200 "For Figure Drawing for all it's worth", now here it's for free, that kinda makes me a bit mad......I just got over it. :)

mad!? I wouldn't mind buying a copy now... :|

[mattgamer]

If these books were in the library, I would steal them all.
Now I print them out at my college, but it's not the same as a book. :(

Thank you for the links!

[davidwAde]

These helped me out a bunch back a while ago, and still do now, love these, thanks for the link bud

[FordPrefect]

First off, let me just say a heartfelt thank you for these books.

With all this information at my fingertips its a little overwhelming, does anyone have a recommended order for these books? Which to read first through to which to save for last?

[Elsie]

With all this information at my fingertips its a little overwhelming, does anyone have a recommended order for these books? Which to read first through to which to save for last?

I downloaded them a few months ago (can't remember where from, a portugese blog) and have finally got the chance to work through one of them - I was wondering this myself! They seem like wonderful books.

[FordPrefect]

I posted a few days back asking about a recommended reading order. Nobody replied, so I will start digging in by the only logical order I can think of without any other input, chronologically. I will start though these books in the order they were published :

1 - Fun With a Pencil (1939)
2 - Figure Drawing For All It's Worth (1943)
3 - Creative Illustration (1947)
4 - Successful Drawing (1951)
5 - Drawing the Head and Hands (1956)
6 - Eye of the Painter and Elements of Beauty (1961)

[Gemini82]

Recommended order

2 - Figure Drawing For All It's Worth (1943) (start with this first)
(Successful drawing really pushes what you've learned in figure drawing and teaches you some more)
4 - Successful Drawing (1951)
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5 - Drawing the Head and Hands (1956) (most of the stuff thats in fun with a pencil is in this one)
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6 - Eye of the Painter and Elements of Beauty (1961) (these two really link up with each other i would outline the chapters an see where the information crosses. Maybe try jumping back and forth between both)
3 - Creative Illustration (1947) (some good information of color theroy
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P.S. Been busy with school but i'm still looking around for another place to host the files for a long period of time.

[FordPrefect]

Recommended order

P.S. Been busy with school but i'm still looking around for another place to host the files for a long period of time.



I would be willing to host them on my site, in fact they are there, but I want to make sure that its OK for me to make them publicly available. I am in the US, and though these books aren't in print my understanding is that the copyright is still valid, and enforceable on all works for something like 70 years after the authors death. Again, this is my weak understanding, but this is even enforceable if the work has gone unpublished.

Back to fun stuff. -- What about Fun With a Pencil? Thats what I am working through right now. You didn't mention it in your post.

[Gemini82]

5 - Drawing the Head and Hands (1956) (most of the stuff thats in fun with a pencil is in this one)

I went through fun with a pencil and most of the stuff thats in there you can get from Head and Hands and other loomis books. Thats why i didn't put it into the recommended list, although it is a good book, just seemed redundant. looking at the publishing date im assuming he took what he fleshed out in Fun with a Pencil and took it futher with the other books

[LouisCho]

I wanted print it at my college yesterday but they said me that it was illegal to print more than 10% of any book even if its out of stock. I ask the same in a 'prionting store' and no problems, but it's cost 0,06$ per sheet.

[Gemini82]

Yeah, it cost me $20 dollars to print out at a local shop. Personally I think its just silly and kind of circular, people won't let you print it out and share with the art community but the publisher won't publish new books for the community. Basically the student is stuck in the middle and is at a great loss and can't accure one of the best training materials.

My biggest fear is that in 10 to 20 years is that these books will be lost to the world. We need to be guerrillas in order to keep this wonderful book alive. So until the publisher wakes up and gets a clue i'm going to try my best to keep it alive. (just a thought It would be wonderful if somehow if we could unite the art community and really start a campaign to get the books reblushed. So please contact your professors and see what they think, you never know
what type of influence they may have.

P.S. Viva la Loomis **Screams** " Viva la Revolution"



(http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=82038804&imageID=1167570572)

[FordPrefect]

My biggest fear is that in 10 to 20 years is that these books will be lost to the world.
(http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=82038804&imageID=1167570572)

IANAL, but I just did a quick search, and unless the publisher renewed the copyright these books are in the public domain today. It looks like works published between 1923 and 1963 had a 28 year term of copyright protection, and there was an option to renew for 47 years, with "Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act" that became 67 years.

I would expect that since the publisher seems to have lost interest in these books that they never bothered to file the extension. I will look further into it, and if they are indeed in the public domain I will host them on my site, and post the links here.

[Edit] All of the above pertains to US copyright.

[Stahlberg]

Loomis' books are still under copyright until around 2030, not to any publisher but to his family, and sadly they have no interest in publishing, though they've been approached several times.
I think maybe you guys are violating copyright, so be careful ok? I'm all for such violation in this particular instance, but I don't want anyone to get in trouble over it. :)

edit: actually I don't really know anything about copyright, I just heard the original site that held these pdf's had to close due to a letter from lawyers.

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[FordPrefect]

Just got off of www.copyright.gov (http://www.copyright.gov) and the only searchable books were :

Successful drawing. Renewed: 16Aug79 Expires 2046 unless renewed.
Drawing the head and hands. Renewed: 28Mar84 Expires 2050 ...
The Eye of the painter and the elements of beauty. Renewed: 23Jan89 Expires 2055 ....

So I need to go back on my previous assumption. The other books were up for renewal before 1978, so they aren't in the searchable database, but I beleive Stahlberg is correct -- that these are valid until 2030. The registrants were all what appeared to be "Loomis" family members. Oh well, so much for hosting these myself.

[Stahlberg]

It's really weird, I mean, why would anyone bother to fill out forms and crap, to renew copyright, when they're just going to sit on it? It almost seems like they want to actively keep it away from people who could benefit from it. Insanity.

technically I can't even suggest a way to work around this.
But at least I can comment that if someone from a country faaar from Loomis' family, with their own domain, should decide to host this, there's probably not much the family or their lawyers could do about it right?

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[Lunatique]

Apparently based various sources, the Loomis family has absolutely no interest in the legacy of Loomis, and does not think much of him or his contributions to the art world as a teacher or a respected illustrator, and that extends to their lack of interest in reprinting his books or having anything to do with them. Who knows, maybe they are ashamed of him like John Godward's family was ashamed of him. After Godward commited suicide, his family were so ashamed that they burned all of his stuff, including all the letters he wrote--thus it's impossible to write a truly informative monograph on Godward, due to complete lack of available historical records of who he was on a personal level. All we know is that he was a frustrated artist who was very passionate, but utterly destroyed by his ruthless critics--leading to his suicide.

[DorkmanScott]

Yeah, it cost me $20 dollars to print out at a local shop.
Likewise. Kinko's didn't seem to care. I plan to print all of them.

I'd say hold on to the PDFs, give them out to anyone you meet who could use them. They can print them on their own.

EDIT: This post is purely theoretical and is not an encouragement of piracy.

[Gemini82]

Hearing the previous statements about the family not wanting to publish just makes me angry. If they have no interest in his books, why not just release to the public or sell the rights to someone who will publish the books. This does interest me though it would be nice to actually sit down with the family and get their side of the story. (You be surprised how rumors spread).

It would be nice if this situation could reach one of the producers at CBS's Sunday Morning. It would make for an interesting segement. Sitting here i can imagine the headline The lost Loomis.

[Gemini82]

Books should be up in decemeber ladies and gentlemen

[bj0ern]

Books should be up in decemeber ladies and gentlemen

Which means? A reprint?

[Gemini82]

No the links for the pdf versions.

P.S. Read ealier posts

[bj0ern]

No the links for the pdf versions.

P.S. Read ealier posts

Ok.. The torrent is also still active (and pretty much wanted from what the the numbers say).

[seeeker]

I don't understand how to download these books...I'm on a Mac - I've downloaded a bittorrent client, but the links provided on page 1 of thie thread lead to a page that lists the pdf files, but there is no link. I don't get it.

Can someone please repost the correct links to download these, with some simple explanation with the downlaod process?

I am not enirely familiar with the torrent concept/practice. Again, in those links on p1 of this thread there was no hyperlink to download anything, just text on the file, size. (plus a lot of porn ads).

Thanks!

[bj0ern]

I don't understand how to download these books...I'm on a Mac - I've downloaded a bittorrent client, but the links provided on page 1 of thie thread lead to a page that lists the pdf files, but there is no link. I don't get it.


For the torrent stuff go to ftp://witwenmacher.net with your browser.
Download the file 'Andrew_Loomis_Books.torrent'. Either you have to Ctrl+Click it and choose to save the file, or OSX will mount the ftp connection as a drive on your desktop. In the latter case you just have to drag the file to copy it.
Drag the .torrent file on your bittorrent application icon or into the applications window then. (I use Transmission for torrents on my Mac [http://transmission.m0k.org]).
The download should start immediately then ..

[AugieBenDoggie]

Seems that nobody is seeding this anymore, what gives folks? It's a small file!

[siouxfire]

Go HERE (http://fineart.sk/index.php?cat=1) - this site has posted his works page-by-page which isn't such a bad thing as there are exercises and things to practice throughout the book

[seeeker]

thanks bj0ern - that worked perfectly. all in pdfs, all separate, nice.

torrent - gotta check this out some more.

cheers

[bj0ern]

Seems that nobody is seeding this anymore, what gives folks? It's a small file!
My root server is still seeding it.

[beelow]

bj0ern-Thanx for doing this! I greatly appreciate it! Alot! Time to study some more.:thumbsup:

[Joel Hooks]

Thanks for seeding these.

[Quadart]

If it hasn't been mentioned, The pdf books can be downloaded from this site as well:

http://www.artworld.si/forums.php?m=posts&q=1772

I gave up on the torrent thing, couldn't find the bittorrent thingamabob.

[Andreyev]

Hi, I have a problem with "Having Fun with a pencil" book download, file seems to be broken (I downloaded from different sources, and always PDF was damaged). Does anyone have a link for a non-damaged PDF? Because I've alreay downloaded all the others, but I still need to start from "Having Fun ..." though

P.S. torrent link is still in 0% completion... Well I guess I'll have to wait a bit

Thanks

[bj0ern]

Does anyone have a link for a non-damaged PDF?

Try this one -> ftp://ftp.witwenmacher.net/Andrew_Loomis_Books

[Andreyev]

Wow thanks a lot, this link work's great!
:bounce:

[DigitalToon2]

If you download the .rar from the link above the fun with a pencil .pdf works.

[southparx]

thanks for everyone who's seeding this.. downloading atm

cheers~

[bj0ern]

You're welcome.

Merry X-Mas everyone. :)

[twok12]

Try this one -> ftp://ftp.witwenmacher.net/Andrew_Loomis_Books

still works great. thx

[bj0ern]

still works great. thx
You're welcome.

The torrent is not working at the moment, because the tracker site I used is down for maintenance. On the other hand, ftp is much more convenient.

[Purc]

Ftp ftw ! Thanks for the upload.

[Gemini82]

Just want to let everyone know Creative Illustration will be avalable in print in September of 08. i'm digging around in my email for the amazon link. They are taking pre-orders.

[C-man]

Hey, hows it going?

I'd just like to thank you for the uploads, even though I haven't downloaded them yet. I've read in previous posts that you just have to scroll down and search for the : up-file all 4you to download them. Correct? If so, then I'd just like to ask why it wont allow me to scroll down and also why it transfers me to another site than the originally intended 'up-file'. The links always send me to a site called http://friendlyfiles.net/.

For example, when I click on the link for Succesful Drawing 'http://up-file.com/download/ea5bbf2...rawing.pdf.html (http://up-file.com/download/ea5bbf26351/successful-drawing.pdf.html)' it insteads sends me to 'http://friendlyfiles.net/dw_up/ea5bbf26351/successful-drawing.pdf.html'.

Do you have any helpful explanation for this poor guy who wants to download the eBooks?

Cheers!
:beer:

[Gemini82]

That link is out dated. Please email me for books. There also should be a torrent file within these post. If not I'll upload a torrent file later this weekend, for all.

[Xdreamer79]

I have them on my forums (http://www.cgpad.org/forum/andrew-loomis-all-books-t164.html?t=164&highlight=loomis) as well as attachments but you have to register to get access to files, sorry about that.

[eirenicon]

It's funny seeing this thread pop up again after the "License violations?" thread. That discussion was full of people saying "Downloading software is theft - it doesn't matter if you can't afford to buy it, it's still stealing". Here, everyone says "Downloading books isn't so bad - you can't buy them, so just steal 'em." Not that I mind :). Loomis's books are extremely helpful.

[erilaz]

It's funny seeing this thread pop up again after the "License violations?" thread. That discussion was full of people saying "Downloading software is theft - it doesn't matter if you can't afford to buy it, it's still stealing". Here, everyone says "Downloading books isn't so bad - you can't buy them, so just steal 'em." Not that I mind :). Loomis's books are extremely helpful.

I thought the Loomis family recopyrighted them, which is why saveloomis.org got shut down.:shrug:

[Gemini82]

The thing about the loomis books is you can't really buy one, unless you want to track down a rare book dealer. You could go the amazon route but how many copies are available, what maybe ten of each book in the collection, anything thing else is a cheap illegal reprint on amazon.

Downloading the loomis books isn't like downlowing say a version of Max or Maya.

Are we taking money out of the loomis family's hand?

The few books that our available are sold by private owners, money is back in the owners pocket.

Yes, it is a violation of copyright law but how else are 100 people going to get a copy.

I'm sure if they make copies readly available people would buy.
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[ChrisCandide]

New links for loomis books. All of the older links seem to be outdated so I'm revising once again.

Fun-With-a-Pencil (http://www.scribd.com/doc/10323628/Fun-With-a-Pencil)

Eye-of-the-Painter (http://www.scribd.com/doc/10323795/Eye-of-the-Painter)

Figure-Drawing-For-all-Its-Worth (http://www.scribd.com/doc/10324002/Figure-Drawing)

Creative-Illustration (http://www.scribd.com/doc/7304571/Andrew-Loomis-Creative-Illustration)

[Gemini82]

They've been uploaded to Scribd you can read them easily without downloading. You can also embed the files into any relevant blog.

[bj0ern]

They are still lying around on my server:
ftp://ftp.witwenmacher.com/Andrew_Loomis_Books

[kennychaffin]

They are still lying around on my server:
ftp://ftp.witwenmacher.com/Andrew_Loomis_Books

Thanks! Much appreciated as the other links seem to have changed or disappeared.

[ChrisCandide]

No problem Kenny

[vfx]

It seems even wikipedia links to these books
Easy downloads available here
http://gekos.no/art/index.php/component/option,com_idoblog/Itemid,60/id,68/task,viewpost/

[kennychaffin]

It seems even wikipedia links to these books
Easy downloads available here
http://gekos.no/art/index.php/component/option,com_idoblog/Itemid,60/id,68/task,viewpost/

Cool. Thanks!