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Mentat7 01-18-2003, 03:26 PM This is my initial concept for this challenge. In the common tongue it is called a Horngrym. I will have a full history for it shortly as soon as I finish pulling all the resource material together. I will be doing this character completely in ZBrush. Happy Viewing.
EDIT:
The background is now complete:
And in the north Melkor built his strength, and he slept not, but watched, and laboured; and the evil things that he had perverted walked abroad, and the dark and slumbering woods were haunted by monsters and shapes of dread. And in Utumno he gathered his demons about him, those spirits who first adhered to him in the days of his splendour, and became most like him in his corruption; their hearts were of fire, but they were cloaked in darkness, and terror went before them; they had whips of flame. Balrogs they were named in Middle-earth in later days. And in that dark time Melkor bred many other monsters of diverse shapes and kinds that long troubled the world; and his realm spread now ever southward over Middle-earth.
Of the Maiar that aligned with him in the beginning Melkor did twist and pervert and when he had finished his foul task they were not of wholesome or recognizable form. From these the Gondraukar came, the Stone Demons. Formed with evil and malice in mind they had but one purpose; to thwart the machinations and planning of Aulė. For in all times that had passed and were to come Melkor did abide a great and terrible hatred of Aulė. The Horngrym as they were later named in the common tongue sought out the works of the Valar whose love was of crafting and stone and whose greatest love, the Dwarves, were of his own making. Thus the Horngrym sought out the Dwarven fathers and their peoples and forever hindered them.
The Horngrym stand nearly ten feet tall. Their bodies are as the strongest stone. They possess a mighty strength that can easily rend the strongest of Dwarven stone construction. And they pass through mountains of rock as if a fish swimming through water. They are sightless depending entirely upon a keen sense of hearing and an ability to feel the slightest vibrations emitting from rock. Such is their might that even the Storm Giants will not willingly cross their path. Yet the Horngrym do not feed upon flesh. What sustenance maintains their vitality can only be guessed at although it is known they have a proclivity for collecting gems of all sorts. Horngrym will go out of their way to waylay a Dwarven community.
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Fetus23
01-18-2003, 03:51 PM
Really nice concept Mentat7....Looking forward to seeing this take shape...z brush is a very interesting tool. Your past works are amongst the best z brush stuff i've seen....i'm really excited to watch this!!:applause:
work! :wip: Work!! :wip:
fetus
Gandalf
01-18-2003, 07:22 PM
Hi Mentat, glad to see you in this challenge!
I can't wait to see your zbrush model.
See you soon.
G-Man :p
Mentat7
01-18-2003, 10:49 PM
I had two choices of mesh types to use....an Adaptive low poly mesh or a Unified high poly mesh. I chose the Unified mesh because ultimately this will be a still shot and I am not of a mind to animate or bone the character in any way. The Unified mesh gives me better tactile feel as well as I model the body. It is able to hold much finer detail although similar results could be accomplished with an Adaptive mesh through dividing various areas that require higher detail.
The first three steps:
Mentat7
01-18-2003, 10:50 PM
The next three stages:
Mentat7
01-18-2003, 10:52 PM
The final step, is actually the same figure with a front and back shot.
leigh
01-18-2003, 10:54 PM
Looking cool so far, although some of your muscles structure (especially the torso muscles) are still a little to boxy).
Otherwise, coming along well! :)
Mentat7
01-18-2003, 11:28 PM
Thanks Leigh. Can you umm tell me what you mean by boxy? I don't follow. Thanks again.
leigh
01-18-2003, 11:38 PM
By boxy, I mean that they are not looking properly formed yet. They are a little too square - not quite natural/organic yet :)
Hi Mentat!
That's a cool challenge entry, bud.:airguitar Powerful looking creature, spines and all. I'll be bugging you for some ZBrush texturing tips later:p
gummie
01-19-2003, 03:54 AM
Heya,
Coming along to the concept sketch, I think it's good work so far!
:)
Ron Harris
01-19-2003, 03:56 AM
Mentat, I have to tell you that this is a wonderfully modeled piece. You always show a great flare in your visions and this is no exception. I dont understand what boxy meant as mentioned by one of the other comments made but I can assure you that this is one very realistic and nicely 3d modelled. Definitely a Mentat original....I love the background techniques used as well. top notch stuff . I can't think of much Iwould change if it were my own that would be worth mentioning. Good luck on this challenge, though it's quite obvious that luck was not involved only skill and a great artistic ability and imagination.:applause:
Mentat7
01-19-2003, 03:57 AM
Thanks Mods!!:thumbsup:
bentllama
01-19-2003, 05:24 AM
Interesting progression. I am looking forward to seeing more.
:beer:
spikeleeMe2
01-19-2003, 06:15 AM
wowzer nice work dude
ive seen your name over here
http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=316989&Start=1&Sectionid=18&WhatsNew=Yes
what Gives Man:shame:
Mentat7
01-19-2003, 03:09 PM
Fetus: Thank you for your kind words
Gandalf: Great to hear from you bud!
Leigh: Thank you for your help. It is appreciated.
Grub: Hiya pal! Texture tips from me? Yeah right............:p
Gummie: Thanks. Nice to see you here.
Ron: Thank you for your kind words and everlasting support my friend.
bentllama: Stay tuned...more to come :)
spikeleeMe2 (aka EZ): I have already sent you an email. This is over.
Oz: Thanks O' great and wonderful Oz :bowdown:
I should have a the rest of the body completed with a head soon to follow. Thanks for your support.
spikeleeMe2
01-19-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Mentat7
spikeleeMe2 (aka EZ): I have already sent you an email. This is over.
you shouldn't point the finger if you don't know the facts.
first your name calling some one over in another forum now your pointing the finger Here.
i have been reading this forum for a Long time and desided to post and the first time i asked you a simple question then you point the finger.
is this how people Welcome people around here?:shame:
Mentat7
01-19-2003, 03:41 PM
I know who you are spike(ez). The role of victim does not fit you well.
spikeleeMe2
01-19-2003, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Mentat7
I know who you are spike(ez). The role of victim does not fit you well.
your post has been Reported.
if your going to treat Me or anyone Else the way you have
i would Rather see you be Removed from the forum.
:thumbsdow
Mentat7
01-19-2003, 04:12 PM
Don't worry Spike-EZ.....I have already asked to have my account removed and am in the process of leaving the net entirely. All because of you. Enjoy your triumph. You have won nothing.
spikeleeMe2
01-19-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Mentat7
I have already asked to have my account removed
i Don't think you had to ask the way you act.
Bye :thumbsup: try treating some one as if they would treat you and you won't have problems.
wildsheepchase
01-19-2003, 04:39 PM
Hey man! You should stick around and ignore that guy. You're model is looking good:thumbsup:
leigh
01-19-2003, 05:10 PM
I agree Mentat7, it would be a waste to take to heart the weird ramblings of an obviously pychologically-problem-riddled and EXTREMELY immature person.
He is the one with a problem, not you. It is a shame that you are letting his pathetic little attempts at disrupting your thread get to you, since by doing so you are giving him his hollow little victory. Anyway, you are an adult - why should you care what some kid thinks? I am presuming this guy is about 14-16 years old, judging by his comments.
Please don't abandon your online work - it would be a terrible loss.
BlueCougar
01-19-2003, 05:12 PM
Hey Mentat7,
Regardless of what happened before somewhere else, you've learned from it and moved on. This person is hitting you with mud in the back! :shame:
We have no issues with you as this individual does, it seems. I see only one person out of place and its not you. You could prove differently if you choose to by your actions in the future but until then, keep rolling! I use Lightwave myself but I do enjoy seeing work produced in ZBrush and look forward to following your thread. :bounce:
Its obvious this individual joined solely for the reason of posting the "nah-nah" threads that belong on a school yard. :cry: :shame: :rolleyes:
Cowboy-Up brother and keep on keeping on!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Take care man either way...
Mentat7
01-19-2003, 10:49 PM
Here is the first working render. I still have work to do on it particularly in the feet and hands and some on the stomach. I have a few more details that I am experimenting with also. Not sure about the background.
http://myweb.cableone.net/ljsargent/CGTalk Challenge/Gar4A_Large.jpg
Ron Harris
01-19-2003, 10:52 PM
very sweeeeeeeeeeeeet .....and a very formidable character indeed. I love the modeling and the render on this bad boy...:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:
Joril
01-19-2003, 10:53 PM
:eek:
Just look at that!
Amazing, looks so good already!
His leg muscles look a little weird though. :surprised
Some lovely skin there too :D
Superb!!
:buttrock:
:bounce: I“m a big fan of yours..
Thanks to you I started my own zbrush thread.. :thumbsup:
/zued the swede *still learning...
eddy-3ddy
01-19-2003, 11:12 PM
Yo, thats nice.
He, can borrow some stones, I can use them for my challenge heheh, looking nice
:rolleyes: mentat... may I ask if you could coach me in my quest for Middle Earth..?
Hey Lon, I'm pleased your sticking in with the challenge and showing off your slick skills!
Besides, you're in good company:p
Keep at it, bud:)
pigwater
01-20-2003, 01:07 AM
really glad you stayed..otherwise i would of missed this wonderful work....fab stuff:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
more, more!!
southern
01-20-2003, 08:08 AM
Hi Mentat,
Good progression on the piece. Ignore the children and stay online buddy.
I agree with Leighs comments about the boxyness (if that is the right word) It is a problem I find creeps into my own ZSpere images a lot. I often find that I make my muscles too big and bunchy because of the way I model in Z without a background template.
With poly modeling (edge loops etc.) I find I can get crisp edges and I want to repeat these in my ZBrush works. One way I suppose is to paint my depth on after, veins, ridges, knobbles etc..the things that would be added with textures in the average 3D package.
Anyhoo...don't you dare go away without saying goodbye. In fact. Don't go.
Glen
rolhionjs
01-20-2003, 09:43 AM
wow ! great !:eek:
Mentat7
01-21-2003, 01:49 AM
I continue to experiment with the textures...I am finding as my texture evolves it is affecting the detail of the mesh. I think this is good because I now can see where I need to focus my attention and fix the problems. New spikes on this one. I rather like the look of the texture but it still needs some work. Again I am uncertain of the background. Expect more updates.
Thank you one and all for your kind comments and support in helping me finish this.
http://myweb.cableone.net/ljsargent/CGTalk Challenge/ME2.jpg
:eek: :eek: :drool: what can I say...:eek:
foenix
01-21-2003, 09:10 AM
:eek: :buttrock: :buttrock:
Mentat7
01-21-2003, 03:47 PM
lol.you guys snuck in here when I wasn't looking. Thanks Zued and foenix!
CgEye
01-21-2003, 11:05 PM
DUDE!! that's awsome.... :thumbsup:
what technique do you use for texturing?? are these procedural textures or painted images? please show me how you got that effect...
keep it up!
Mentat7
01-21-2003, 11:12 PM
Thanks CGeye. All of this was done in ZBrush. Are you familiar with that program? There are three elements playing into the texture right now. First is the basic procedural material. Second is a painted texture. And third is an application of 2.5D brushes within zbrush (this is what was used to create the rocky bumpy skin). My goal it to get most of it incorporated into the material and texture and then rely on the 2.5D tools sparingly. Cheers!
eddy-3ddy
01-21-2003, 11:19 PM
Man, you've got some great stuff on your site. I admire you:eek: :thumbsup: :thumbsup::bowdown: :applause:
CgEye
01-21-2003, 11:28 PM
well, i heard about Zbrush (it has non stop banners all over :))
but i didn't get to see how things are done there. it seems like a strait forward easy to use program.
thanx for the reply.
InnerVortex
01-21-2003, 11:33 PM
it is a very beautifull render!
Fetus23
01-22-2003, 01:14 AM
This is amazing work Mentat7. Your textures are beautiful...I'm curious about z-brush. Does it contain texturing and mapping tools or is it just for modeling? Once again...AMAZING....keep it up!! :applause: :thumbsup:
:wavey:
fetus
Per-Anders
01-22-2003, 01:17 AM
wooooow i love it, those textures are just so great! i shouldnt spend time wandering around other peoples entries it's jsut depresing you're all too good damnyou.
jaymackey
01-22-2003, 01:57 AM
way to go, Lonnie! Now this guy has an excema problem. (Oops, now that I've said that, Ken B. is going to post Injury Report #3, Ms. Excema.)
Glad you're still posting stuff. This is some true ZGasm stuff! Keep it up! :beer:
Jay
Mentat7
01-22-2003, 12:04 PM
Thanks everyone. Your words of encouragement really make a difference.
3ddy: Thank you
CGEye: Non-stop banners.....lol It does have a learning curve but I find it more intuitive than traditional apps. I am still trying to wrap my little noggin around C4D for example.
InnerVortex: Thanks
Fetus: Thank you. Zbrush does have it's own mapping program in a manner of speaking. TextureMaster is a zscript utility that comes with ZBrush. It utilizes a built in command called 3D Copy to transfer textures to the UV Map. ZB has several mapping modes: Cylindrical, Planar, Spherical, UVTile, UVTiles, and will soon (with the release of 1.6) have an enhanced UVTiles mapping that can take into account polygon sizes in relation to one another...ie it can determine the relation in surface area between polys and assign the tiles in a more appropriate manner thus mainting a higher quality in the image map when it is transfered to the object.
mdme_sadie: lol...you just go ahead and wander around all you want. ;) Thanks
jaymackey: Forgive me for sounding ingnorant...you are JayCephus from ZBC? Thanks bud!
Gandalf
01-22-2003, 12:09 PM
Great work man!
Your work are always awesome.
jaymackey
01-22-2003, 05:24 PM
Yes, I'm 'Jaycephus'
(EDIT: you can check out my grammar and spelling in some of my other posts in the Animation:Master section of CGTalk. heh, heh ;) )
Mentat7
01-22-2003, 11:20 PM
Lol...I thought it was you Jay!:beer:
inf666
01-31-2003, 11:32 PM
:buttrock:
shit.... what can i say?
o i know.. SHOOT ME :annoyed:
l_farley13_l
02-01-2003, 09:37 PM
Looking really Great! Now can you change the persective ? It'd be a great thing to see another pose, but if know better I'll shut up ;)
His face might need a bit mreo detailing on it, it kinda lbends in a little.
Looking forward to more!
Farley13
Smokey
02-02-2003, 08:27 PM
You just made me register with this project :)
It was interesting to see the 6 steps in the beginning , I'm going to try out that technique tomorrow.
The texture on him is awesome , really good use of the 2.5d tools , lonnie.
It might sound stupid but I like the little stones and rocks on the ground a lot :)
Awaiting further updates ,
Kevin
(I'm the namek from zbc btw)
cakeypigdog
02-03-2003, 11:01 PM
that is one lovely creature: the texture is great: he really looks organic with a hide of stone growing from him: youve got it spot on mate.... i keep seeing more and more z brush stuff that makes me go oooohhh. i think its about time i had a play with it...is there a freeware version available?
well done: this is one of my faveourite characters in the comp. nice stuff!
i like the curveyness youve acheived on his fingers and legs too. great!
Smokey
02-04-2003, 12:11 PM
Here you go cakeypigdog ,
Version 1.55 demo
Windows :
http://pixologic.com/download/bdownloadlo.html
Macintosh :
http://pixologic.com/download/bdownloadlo_m.html
cakeypigdog
02-04-2003, 12:23 PM
cheers smokey. thats good of you. i will go check it out.
thanks!:beer: :beer:
impressive...
i stay without voice...
damned this f...texture... :eek:
Hey M7 - just here to give ya the :thumbsup: in case ya get cranky :p. Terrific texturing and all - it's a striking piece you've made for this challenge, bud. :xtreme:
Mentat7
02-07-2003, 09:48 PM
Cranky?? :surprised : Never!! :D But I do have some more work to do on this....just have to get some time together to do it.
:arteest:
:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:
Mentat7
02-28-2003, 03:35 AM
Well...one thing led to another and suddenly I had a reworked model. Well maybe I can finish it by tomorrow maybe not. Needs more work especially around the eyes and mouth, feet and hands. Well we will see how far I can get on it tomorrow. Cheers!
http://myweb.cableone.net/ljsargent/CGTalk Challenge/ME4.jpg
Hello M7, good to see you turning out a little something extra for this, buddy.:)
So, it's the final day of this challenge - it's been a whizz, hasn't it!:bounce: Join me in the next one will ya?:beer: (I'll keep ya from getting cranky:p)
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