CGTalk - Gods & Demons - Characters

Wraith

03-14-2002, 03:54 PM

I have revised the idea of the demon 'Lucifer's' head... Want to stear away from the traditional Rams head to go more for a characterised version. Hope you agree im going in a better direction than the one I started out on :)

Pancreas

03-14-2002, 06:46 PM

I like very much your concept sketch, IMHO you could use the second head but withe ram´s horns (they look more devilish than the cow ones), nice drawings!

Wraith

03-14-2002, 11:36 PM

Thanks for the feed back regarding using the Rams horns with the revised head design, sounds good. Will experiment alittle with the idea n see what i come up with. Thanks for the advice, much apreciated. Here is the next batch of images for your viewing hope ya all like where its going :) All responces good & bad are appreciated

Wraith

03-14-2002, 11:38 PM

oops forgot the image :)

Wraith

03-14-2002, 11:40 PM

iso front showing the base cage

Wraith

03-14-2002, 11:41 PM

iso back base cage

Wraith

03-14-2002, 11:43 PM

first render iso front

Wraith

03-14-2002, 11:46 PM

first render test iso back. This is all for now, hope to have more very soon. Hope you like what ya see so far. Again, all comments are welcome, would like the honest feed back.

SEL

03-15-2002, 12:47 AM

alright damnit, here comes the feedback!!

Wow absolutelly amazing, cant wait to see more bye!

good enough for you :wip: , j/k, alright this is what I see,
first off I love your second sketch of your characters head, thing is that the character I see you modeling is a bit skinny for that big guys neck and face, my suggestion to you is, if you want to make him scary, beef him up. you dont have to over do it, but think in 3d and not 2d, were given the chance to give depth to a flat character, give him definiition, scale him a bit and bring his body out, also, great big giant legs at the end to hold up his body would be great too, extremes can turn a good model into a great model, you just have to make sure they fit. Great start though, love the idea!!!!

shaun

Wraith

03-15-2002, 01:42 AM

Thanks man awesone feedback, thats the sort of stuff I am after. Already thought bout beefing it up abit, though after looking at some of the other entry ideas decided it would probably too closely resemble other ideas people here have had (but may need to once I create the wings). I agree that head does look too blocky for the body from the image, but I think this is a little missleading as the under neck though musclebound looking in the image is actually going to be (hopefully) more along the lines of loose skin. The end result should be a balanced character (again hopefully) :) Thanks again for the feedback, keep it comming.

rendermonkey23

03-15-2002, 01:52 AM

Ok, first off the calves are just plain inspiring. My personal favorite part :)

second, I kinda like the goat horns :) I do agree and think that the short ones are a bit meaner looking though.

third, keep your ass movin. ;) I wanna see more

Wraith

03-15-2002, 04:32 AM

Here is a grab of the head in progress. Havent got to the horns yet :)

CHRiTTeR

03-15-2002, 11:09 PM

Godd*mn!!!

Like that style!

U shure know what you're doing!

:cool:

Pancreas

03-16-2002, 03:06 AM

As nice as the 2D sketch! Great work!:thumbsup:

Joel Hooks

03-16-2002, 03:27 AM

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Wraith

03-17-2002, 12:28 AM

Thanks all for your comments & replies. Here is the next stage of my Demon. I will be working on detailing the neck as well as adding the ears n horns to the head. Before I create the wings im planning on creating the muscle structure on the back that would be needed to mount them. Hope to have that much done by the end of Sunday :D Well, heres the latest.

l_farley13_l

03-17-2002, 12:36 AM

Modeling is great!! Maybe make him squat a bit with his knees under his head for more balance? That head is really great!

Farley13

Wraith

03-17-2002, 12:59 AM

Hey thanks man... When hes done n dusted im going to rig him up with a skeleton n pose him. The origional concept shows the most likely pose on a platto pedistal. This pose is purely for modeling purposes. If you have any suggestions as to how I can demonstrate his power id appreciate it as im banging my head on a wall with that one :(

l_farley13_l

03-17-2002, 01:13 AM

hmm . . . I think an enlargement in the knees and below with a giant hoof like the drawing (maybe even more for enphasis) will give him the look that he is stridy and able to run/jump etc. In the final position the head posistion will definitly contribute too. Hope it helps :)

see you,

Farley13

Threedeemer

03-17-2002, 01:41 AM

I cant believe I missed this one! Definately one of my favorites so far. Great job Wraith.

Eugeny

03-17-2002, 02:22 AM

Nice, keep it up!:buttrock:

Adam Klein

03-17-2002, 06:12 AM

killer design and model, you're very fast, keep it up!
Ak

mrjosh

03-17-2002, 06:24 AM

:eek: WOW:eek:

I love this model. He has great form and presense. I am impressed. I'm looking forward to anything else from you. Man, you are the man...

-Josh

Teyon

03-17-2002, 11:40 AM

Just too cool, dude. I love the look of him thus far. I take special not of the cheek you gave him, the face would have been a lot less interesting without it.:applause:

pfoot

03-17-2002, 12:25 PM

I really like the dynamics of the body..how the legs and arms are kind of elongated and flare. Seriously sweet stuff

Pfoot

El Tonio

03-17-2002, 03:27 PM

Very, VERY nice !

IMO, his hands aren't demon-strating (sorry for this one, I'm a bit tired ;) ) enough his strenght . They're a bit thin for someone with such a muscle structure .

Otherwise, concerning how you can demonstrate his power, maybe if he's crouched, yelling, taken by a relatively close camera from below...
The low-angle shots are used for this kind of purpose (give an impression of strenght/power to characters) . And if, moreover, you fill the rendering space with a (relatively) close-up, chances are that he'll look impressive .

By the way, I hope to see more soon ! :wip:

Wraith

03-17-2002, 04:31 PM

Thanks guys for the comments, much appeciated... El Tonio thanks for pointing out the hands, you are right... I am not going to enlarge them or anything but they look a bit thin from the side veiw, so im going to sort that out then get cracking on finnishing the parts for the head... Dont have as much time on it today as id planned so probably have to do the back muscles tomorrow instead. Please keep your comments flowing :)

Joebount

03-17-2002, 05:01 PM

WOW : killing cow is back !!! I love it so far. It will be terrible with the horns ! Maybe more muscles ?

Wraith

03-17-2002, 08:11 PM

Hehehe, erm, im going for the horns from the second scetch as the rams horns are too big for this character... Muscles are being added to places as I detail the character... Though the end result wont be a muscle bound demon, want to stear away from that idea of a demon, just for a change. Anyway, have fixed the problem with the hands (thickened em up a bit) & have been detailing the head today so far, still missing the (short) horns...

BASSit

03-17-2002, 08:18 PM

WOW - just like the sketch ! That body is a really great work. Maybe you want to make the feets somewhat bigger !? Like in the sketch...

Great model so far ! Looking forward to the finished one.

Eugeny

03-17-2002, 11:11 PM

Nice details around the eye, i love it:thumbsup:

Wraith

03-18-2002, 01:04 AM

Finally Got the horns on, also fixed how the skin flaps under the neck sit against the top of the chest. Will consentrate on the back muscles next...

tandemar

03-18-2002, 01:05 AM

He's getting there.
I don't agree about the thin hands. I'm a big fan of large chunky fingers myself and think this guys hands are a tad too delicate.
His head is mean and imposing and so is his body but the weight of the character is all in the head.
The rest is streamlined and elegant, while the head screams out for more weight elsewhere.

Maybe in the lower legs?
Big hooves along the lines of Tim Curry in Legend?

I know he looks nothing like Mignola's character, but there's something of Hellboy about this guy...

Wraith

03-18-2002, 01:23 AM

Ok, here goes... As I detail the character I will add muscle where needed. But wont modify the overall shape untill the whole thing is together. I have to add quite large muscles on the back to support the wings (which are going to dwarf the character). That is why for the time being I havent enlarged the hoofs etc. Once it is all together, then I will balance it all out. Should have most of the back done tomorrow night... Who is Hellboy? Oh & keep those comments comming in :D

Threedeemer

03-18-2002, 01:56 AM

Absolutely magnificent Wraith! I kinda agree about the hands being a bit thin, but nonetheless everything looks excellent.

Joebount

03-18-2002, 02:27 AM

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood !
Bravo !

Facial Deluxe

03-18-2002, 02:57 AM

Oh my !:eek:

The head Kicks!
Can we see some wire plz ?

MagnusL3D

03-18-2002, 03:07 AM

Oh my that head looks wicked !! waiting for more :)

DarkSy

03-18-2002, 03:09 AM

Kewl head... the torso are kewl too... the fav part is the claws... looks deadly.... are you using MAX? (or XSI?)....

Wraith

03-18-2002, 03:31 AM

Facial Deluxe, here is a grab of the mesh for the head n shoulders as requested. Still needs cleaniing up in a few places but that can wait for now...

Thanks DarkSy, the hands have been modified since that last render of the full body (thickened up slightly) as the fingers were too thin from the side view... No m8, I dont use max at all. I use lightwave to create & render my meshes (IMO it has the best modeler around, but that is just my personal preference). :D

Danko

03-18-2002, 04:07 AM

I love your character! :drool:
Awesome face and wonderful overall!. Everything fits perfectly from head to feet. I wasn't too sure about the ram horns on my w.i.p. and think you've achieved an excellent result. Hope to see more soon! keep on that great job! :cool:

tandemar

03-18-2002, 04:10 AM

Who's Hellboy???
Disgraceful.

Make those shoulders wider. They're too narrow for the head when you see it from the front.
If you're going to have big muscles supporting the wings it needs to look as though it could stand up without being top heavy.

Bigger hands. Lose the long claws...they're a cliche.
Do they have manicurists in Hell or wherever?

Nails would be blunt, torn and ragged.

Put some armour, however minimal, or clothing on him/it.

You've got plenty of time...if it works keep it. If public opinion is against...lose it.

Is the jaw hinged for posing later?

(Picky aren't I?)

Teyon

03-18-2002, 04:14 AM

There is no forgiving the Hellboy thing, I agree. :)

However, I like the hands as is but in the end, it's up to you. All in all, it's looking good. Now go to a comic shop and pick up a Hellboy tradepaperback or even better, get 2! You may also want to pick up a copy of Hellboy: Odd Jobs at your local bookstore. It fits perfectly with our theme

marioucci

03-18-2002, 04:29 AM

you are showing killing mad skills man. that head and shoulders are awesome!!!!!!!!!!
i agree with you. lightwave is a great modeler!!!!! but only in the right hands:)
congratulations!!!!!!!!!!

Wraith

03-18-2002, 04:47 AM

LOL, This has to be my last reply tonight as I gotta sleep... Tendemar this ones for you m8 :)
The head in the mesh image isnt as big as it apears, I grabbed it from the Perspective view instead of the front view so the shoulders seem narrower than they really are in comparison. My apologies for that, & for not knowing who Hellboy is... THat one is unforgivable, aparently, but will deffinetely look out for a copy of the comic, there is a forbidden plannet near my work ile look in on monday n see if they have it :)
I may shorten the claws in the final stages of the model, but probably wont get rid if em all together... Especially as Hell has the best manicurists anywhere :)
Already been pondering the idea of armour of sorts, plate, war torn n damaged, but thought parts of it sitting next to him as though he has just left a conflict & is removing it... but still not too sure bout it. Im kind of ballancing several ideas at the mo :shrug:
Yep the jaw will be posable when i rig the skeleton... THough the inside of the mouth is unfinished as I wasnt planning of openning it for this challenge. Well thats all for tonight folks, im shattered, Thanks all for the comments n keep em comming :)

DarkSy

03-18-2002, 05:19 AM

Oh lightwave... that was my third guess!! =)... it does seem powerful since quite a few ppl here uses it.... (does it require a 3 button mouse?.... is the interface easy to use.... a lot of shortcut keys to memorize or buttons galore?....) Armours are kewl.. but it will cover up the arsome model of the body.... Love the claws... don't get rid of it please =)....

Wraith

03-18-2002, 05:27 AM

Lightwave is probably one of the easiest 3D packages to learn as it is text based n not icon based e.g the options for the lights are under the tab marked 'Lights' etc :) & Yep it is a very powerful program... As for the claws hehehe they may stay as they are, will see what the general opinion is of you all when the time comes :) Night all I really need that sleep now. More updates tomorrow night, hope to get the back muscles done to ready the body for the wings.

AnimBot

03-18-2002, 09:58 AM

Yea looks great so far, although it looks like there is some creasing going on, on certain parts of the head. I know it's work in progress:) but yea it's very faithful to the concept work.

goodlag

03-18-2002, 02:08 PM

wow

very nice concept & detail modeling:thumbsup:

03-18-2002, 02:16 PM

GWOOOOOOOO!!!!!!:eek: :eek: AWESOME!!!!!!hey Wraith....at last im here to see your wip.................AMAZING...my god!your model is perfect to your 2d concept!! Are you working 4 ILM???
:eek:

hobbes

03-18-2002, 05:20 PM

woow nothing to say :eek: :eek:
the head is just awesome!!!!

very good stuff......

puddlefish

03-18-2002, 05:44 PM

Lookin' great Wraith, keep up the good work!!

Sirchced

03-20-2002, 06:51 AM

WOW! This thing just keeps getting better and better. I could learn a lot from you, oh master.

Keep it going. It's looking perfect.

Moki

03-20-2002, 07:07 PM

All i can say is that you must work in the games industry! There's no doubt that you know how to model in Lightwave and you know how to radiosity render, great. Your design just lacks any new thinking or originality, long fingers, hooved feet oooooow.

Come on surely there's something far more demonic than this!:wip:

Kaos

03-20-2002, 07:55 PM

WOW

tandemar

03-20-2002, 11:19 PM

You've been qiet for a couple of days.
Too busy answering your fan mail?

Just joking.

Get some new renders up there now!!

Cgkoko

03-20-2002, 11:24 PM

Yeah! I hope you are working right now!:mad:

Wraith

03-21-2002, 03:42 AM

Been offline for a few days but getting back on track now, I hope :) Gonna be a little busy till the weekend but then will get back on with the challenge :)

Moki

03-21-2002, 12:32 PM

Who the hell is Tandemar for a start? I don't know you try to give a little helpful criticism :wip:

cerreto

03-21-2002, 03:52 PM

great stuff so far ! with all the awesome lw models no wonder maya is hurting ! teasing ;)

Korgath

03-21-2002, 06:02 PM

Nice demon guy, but are u gonna add wings? Its back looks kinda empty..

henry

03-21-2002, 07:35 PM

hmm your model looks a lot like your avatar......... HEY!!

gooooooooooooood job :wavey:

dominicqwek

03-21-2002, 09:47 PM

Hey!! thks for the comments, u sure are going into detail for this WIP. Looks really good at this stage, MORE!! :)

Wraith

03-22-2002, 02:54 AM

Thanks for the comments, I havent had as much time over the last few days as I hoped for, but I am planning on doing the wings over the comming weekend... Keep the comments comming & apologies for the lack or renders recently... Will remedy that real soon :)

JayDog

03-23-2002, 04:47 AM

Interesting design. Good job with the modeling. I really like the design of the face. The width of the legs kind of bother me. It feels like they would break from underneath him. Hes this big diesel upper body and skinny chicken legs. It may just be a personal thing. Other than that, you have a strong model.

Keep up the good work..

JayDog

Wraith

03-23-2002, 06:15 AM

Here is what ive done so far tonight (or should I say mornin). The wing fingers arn't attached yet as I need to make the knuckle for them all to join to, but I thought it would give an idea of scale :)

Tennis

03-23-2002, 06:48 AM

wow! very cool, he's coming along very well :)
can't wait for the next update.

skunk184

03-23-2002, 07:12 AM

thats one mean looking bugger you got there man....its one of my favourites so far....keep it up!!!!

Threedeemer

03-23-2002, 08:55 AM

Excellent once again Wraith! The design of the wing anatomy is very creative.

Joebount

03-23-2002, 01:15 PM

wow, I love those wings ! the body's proportions are excellent too ! Great job !

MikaelPersson

03-23-2002, 02:34 PM

I agree with some of the first posts. You should beef him up a bit. To make the head and body fit together more. But you could also go in the other direction. How about thinning out the head. Make his skull show throgh. Take away almost all the fat from the head. Like really stretched skin over an angular skull.

MikaelPersson

03-23-2002, 02:35 PM

I might add that the work so far looks great.

Lorenzo

03-23-2002, 06:43 PM

maybe make the wings a little smaller, for th final version.
but what I realy like is the head, very nice work.:eek:

fellah

03-23-2002, 07:06 PM

wow, thats a great looking model! he looks kinda neardy yet evil. I'm really looking forward to see the wings completed as they will surely add alot to the final image\model.

garbagemonkey

03-23-2002, 11:02 PM

nice hooves. I actually like the way the model is turning out more than your sketches. lookin' good

check mine out if you get a chance;)

Jaidek

03-24-2002, 02:40 AM

Wow! This is turning out to be one kickin' model! I really like it alot! Hope you enter it next month for the shading and lighting challenge, it would look very impressive. Keep up the good work!

Latre,
Corey Kinard

Teyon

03-24-2002, 03:10 AM

Nearly perfect now. I am just bubbling over with a mixed bag of envy and awe.:eek: I'm not sure if you mentioned it before but if you're not in the 3D biz, you should be!:applause:

animalunae

03-24-2002, 09:26 PM

Nice concept

MagnusL3D

03-25-2002, 01:26 AM

Keep em comming, im loving it :)

Darkelfv

03-25-2002, 02:20 AM

that is looking bada##. love the wings and the model detail.

rebeldreams

03-27-2002, 04:56 PM

Please, sir, can we have some more...?

*best "little Urchin" look...

:buttrock:

:D

Cheers!

[msf]

03-28-2002, 02:01 AM

I finally decided this is the coolest char :)

you got my vote.

sigma

03-29-2002, 10:10 AM

Very nice model Wrait. I especially like your sketches. Nice style.

:D

dutch

03-29-2002, 11:30 AM

naw dont beef him up

just ad more detail into the ribcage and other things

l_farley13_l

03-31-2002, 09:33 AM

Hey now I see where the legs were going! They ARE chicken legs :) ([msf]- I know

On a side not: you might want to beef up the muscles supporting him and his giant wings! Around the lat area I would say; a bit like a bird perhaps :) No other beefing I say!!

([msf]- I know, I know :D I'm talking about supporting the wings not the legs supporting him :))

Always loved that mug anywoo :D

see you,

Farley13