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ReinaldoRomero
07-13-2006, 02:01 AM
Hi guys, here mi first matte painting ever and my goal is to get the most critics i can and learn the most i can from you guys (i feel a little bit insecure about this but my girlfriend push me a lot to enter in the challenge :sad:, i feel it more like an exercise)...good luck to all.

Critics are wellcomed, i will appreciate them.


Atlantis : Reinaldo Romero : Forsaken City

Final Image

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/finalimageweb-montaje.jpg

Full resolution image (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/finalimageweb.jpg)

SweD
07-13-2006, 02:09 AM
JamesVFX or others will confirme but I think it's strictly underwater.

In my mind the second shot have a better composition than the first, with a better work on environment. Give attention to do it in good size (like 16/9 ciné).
The end of Atlantis is surely more epic and yet the thematic of several guys.

So thanx your girlfriend, and welcome aboard, good luck

(you're english is crappy ? no, mine is :scream: )

ReinaldoRomero
07-13-2006, 02:31 AM
Tnx for the repply SweD, lol i was looking your entry right now... hope i can post soon a new art, i am waiting for mi questions to be cleared to start a more elaborated composition...

Now i am having fun designing the kraken jeje, the first sketch looks like the flying spaghetti monster.

By the way, nice modeling in your thread and also tnx for your research

Rainkash
07-13-2006, 02:46 AM
Thats a good piece of art i like it, i also think that u have to define more the shape of the cave, is that an underwater cave isnt it? The selection of the colors is quite good, but i´m kinda missing the underwater effects.

ReinaldoRomero
07-13-2006, 07:40 AM
Atlantis (metropolis)

Architechture:
First i think in ancient south american, central american or mediterranean architecture but i was looking for something diferent.

I will make a city influenced by indian architechture (or south asian), and focus the legend on Kumari Kandam, a legendary sunken city in south india.

Now i was also thinking that atlantis should be an advanced civilization in order to survive underwater, so i am planing to use the domes of indian architecture and turn them into hangars (or ports). Also i was planing to use the arcs to make bridges(tubes) to conect the buildings.

People of Atlantis:
Inhabitants of Atlantis are very hardworkers (like ants or bees, wish to be more extense but my lack of english is not helpfull at all), in the painting i will try to show how in atlantis, the big forgottem metropolis, is still alive, and the inhabitants of the city always are in motion, by ships or by other ways.

Lighting:
This probably is the aspect i like the most, i am planning to use the ligths in the city to add color to the scene, since is underwater it can be very monochromatic, and the adition of some color maybe can make the picture more atractive.

ReinaldoRomero
07-14-2006, 05:12 AM
Southeast-Asian Atlantis (http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/atlantis.html)

Atlantis, Sundaland, Kumari Kadam, or any name we use to name this ancient city is one of the oldest city in the history of mankind. A civilization emerged from sundalanders, leaders in the Neolithic Revolutions (start of agriculture), far ancient than egypt and Palestine, was the most advanced civilization.

My story of Atlantis

The history of Atlantis is divided in four periods:

The first Period “Rising of Atlantis”

The first period is the rising of the civilization in the Southeast-Asian continent, during this period, atlantes develop a theocratic patriarchal monarchic society whit an advanced forms of agriculture using stones for gridding wild grains as early as 24,000 ago. Many years later the civilization developed irrigations systems, advanced architecture, navigation system, mathematics and many other things far before others civilizations. During the gradual flooding of their lowlands, atlantes developed structures resistant to earthquakes and floods and that was the key of their survival.

The end of the first period take place with a major earthquake, during the catastrophe, Atlantis was not sunken like the legend says but it was buried. Because of the architecture and with the geological situation, some structures survive and so atlantes, but entire royal family died. People was afraid of their gods resign to death, but one priest named Tamil, save atlantes faith and start the reconstruction of Atlantis in the cave it was buried. People look at Tamil as the god emissary who save Atlantis and make him the new leader of Atlantis.

The second period “Rebirth of Atlantis”

During the early second period, atlantes developed structures that hold the caves and become masters in metallurgy, underground agriculture and mining, also discover oil like an energy source. Tamil was noun leader of Atlantis.

During years, atlantes developed more caves and expand their domains. The perforations they made was oriented to the north and in direction of the surface and avoid the sea, with the hope of one day reach again to the surface, but that day never came, and instead they were digging in the wrong and dig to the south-east until they broke the surface but sunken in the sea. This was the second great cataclysm, many said that even more catastrophic than the first one. The entire main cave and many of the caves and tunnels they build were devastated in the inundation.

Atlantes foreseen this and made tunnels and caves in case of a major inundation but was not enough. Many atlantes died including the entire royal family died and Tamil’s bloodline disappears. The remaining atlantes start to rebuild the city again but soon there were involved in a political dispute for power until they divide in four clans.

The third period “The age of the clans”

In this period, the disputes start to slow the evolution of Atlantis and with most of the knowledge lost in the second cataclysm, atlantes start to die of diseases, hungry and lack of oxygen. Many scholars of Atlantis called this the third catastrophe. The prophecies of Atlantis always said that Atlantis destructions are made by gods to remove the living god and replace it whit another, but this time no “god” or hero come. The clans start to compete to develop more advanced technology than the others and the civil war began. During war, one entire clan was banished. Many years later, the war was ended by hands of the angry gods according to the myths, the plague and lack of oxygen start to be more dramatically, more than the half of atlantes died and the clans were forced to unify to avoid the extinction. Then another hero appears. Ual, a priest and scholar, discover a way to obtain oxygen from the water. Atlantis was saved again, but this time, clan leaders did not accept Ual as a good and for this they execute him. Soon another problem arrive, the heat of the process of Ual start to destroy the city and the clans meet again. Atlantes said that was the angry of the gods for deny Ual as their living god. The leaders of the clans take his biggest mistake this time; they summon Timus, soon of Ual, to solve the problem caused by his father. Timus developed a form to reuse the heat as an energy source making the process underwater.

The fourth period “Timus period”

Affter Timus restore Atlantis, high priests of every clan hided him, and then a revolution take place. Soon the clan leaders were defeated and executed. Timus take his place as the leader of Atlantis, and focus his domain to the evolution and expansion of the city. Years later, atlantes found a way to use the minerals with de hydrogen of the Ual process to produce nuclear energy, and then with unlimited power and oxygen the domains of Atlantis start to expand deep into the sea, making Atlantis the most advanced civilization on earth.

In actuality, Atlantis keeps developing new technology even fastest than they do before nuclear energy; they have submarine ships, electricity, underwater structures, entertainment and many more. The hazards of today are the creatures of the deep seas that thread their submarine structures, especially power plants, so they developed an army to keep creatures away. But whit all this technology, Atlantis remains hidden by ocean and divided in two parts, the one that is build deep into the caves , called the inner city, and the one that if in the botom of the ocean, called the outer city.

For atlantes, the existence of the surface is no more than an ancient legend, and they believe they are the only survivors of the first catastrophe. Many atlantes scientist try to reach to the surface by submarines but the energy on the ships is not enough to do this. The continuous failures make atlantes to belive the entire planet were sunken and soon they just keep trying to reach to the surface and focused on the counquest of the sea.


Hope you like it :)

Here are some ideas of the estructures of the outer city. The outher city is more like the industrial area, not much places for living, only for those who work and must be in the outside all time, is like the rural area of the city.


http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/sketchB3.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/sketchB2.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/sketchB1.jpg

I am tired of type, tomorrow i will explain the structures and soon ill post more detalied sketchs of the structures.

The posibles structures i will show in my comosition:

-Power Plants
-Minig Facilities
-Stadium (Coliseum)
-Goverment House
-Caves
-Farms
-Hardboards
-Outposts
-Lighthouse
-Chimes
-Ruins of the oldest cities (and structures with the architechtures developed in the diferent ages and by the diferent clans)

Now i am to tired, ttfn.

ReinaldoRomero
07-18-2006, 07:47 AM
After my other tries and look at many entries (i think i watch them all), i felt what i was doing a little typical, so i tried a new concept based on my history, here is the first idea, i have couple more (i think they r good ones) i will post them i soon as i can, maybe if i have the time i can paint all of them... for the moment here is my first idea of the painting, hope you like it...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/sketchtun.jpg

JJASSO
07-18-2006, 05:07 PM
hi Rei.Inkevo this sketch is looking good so far, the composition is good also, hope to see soon a sketch with more mood and detail ,

ReinaldoRomero
07-19-2006, 08:16 AM
Here is the composition of my first idea, I am stil designiing the buildings. (The litle black dot next to the building is a human i use for proporcions, it is not part of the composition)

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/cavev2b.jpg

I am now rendering this composition and the composition with the tunel inside the city, i will post them wen i get some time, also have step by step process of this one (but i dont know if i shoud post it).

Critics and coments are wellcome, tnx.

ReinaldoRomero
07-19-2006, 08:18 AM
hi Rei.Inkevo this sketch is looking good so far, the composition is good also, hope to see soon a sketch with more mood and detail ,


I am working on it, tnx for your feedback jamesvfx

ReinaldoRomero
07-24-2006, 05:53 AM
Here are my final concepts, i think i will make both if i have the time, i cant decide wich one to make :)


First entry (concept):
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/concept-1.jpg


Second entry (concept)

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/concept-2c.jpg

MPavel
07-24-2006, 11:23 AM
i like the second sketch. Looks much better to me =)).

ReinaldoRomero
07-28-2006, 06:54 AM
Here is some work on the city buildings

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/citybuildings2.jpg

ReinaldoRomero
08-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Well, i was not really satisfied whit my entry and tried to experiment whit my fist idea once more, i still not really happy whit the composition but i will stick to this one because of the time.

Concept
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/colorcomp.jpg


WIP
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/wip.jpg

ReinaldoRomero
08-02-2006, 10:57 PM
A litle bit more of working on the middleground, i still painting some high structures there. Also i will add some foreground items...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/wip2.jpg

ReinaldoRomero
08-03-2006, 03:59 AM
A litle bit more of working...

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/wip3.jpg

ReinaldoRomero
08-03-2006, 07:24 PM
This is my final image

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/finalimageweb800.jpg

Full resolution image (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m147/reinaldoromero/finalimageweb.jpg)

Rainkash
08-04-2006, 04:10 AM
Well, this is indeed your first piece of art, of this kind i mean, i like it, i think you should had work better in the effect of the water, the transparency, and the dust falling, but i like, u make a good effort, and i am sure of that, good luck friend.. i really really like it

ReinaldoRomero
08-04-2006, 08:51 PM
Rainkash, tnx for the critics and the following of my thread man :)

Inlakechh
08-04-2006, 11:00 PM
like the darkness of this one reinaldo, some more definition in form of color values inside the city could improve it alot. good luck.

ReinaldoRomero
08-05-2006, 04:54 AM
Marco tnx for your critics, i apreciate them. Good luck to you too.

GonzaloGolpe
08-05-2006, 11:14 AM
Hola compañero!;)I like the dirt feeling on the foreground, and I agree with Inlakechh words. Good luck to you andd see ya!:thumbsup:

chinnha
08-05-2006, 08:10 PM
Like the dirt, there should be include white (light coloured) particles also.

ReinaldoRomero
08-07-2006, 02:28 PM
Glad you like the dirt on the image chinnha, i didnt add light colored particles since the point of my entry was to be very dark (i timagine that could make it more realistic) but i think ive made it to dark, but well ive learned a lot, i had never made an underwater painting, i think i will make a second version just for fun.

Tnx for your coments, good luck!

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