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Fredl

07-12-2006, 11:18 PM

OneStat.com today released its yearly survey of web browser usage, detailing which browsers are being used most.

The results:

Worldwide
Internet Explorer 83.05% (last year 85.45%)
Firefox 12.93% (last year 11.51%)
Safari 1.84%
Opera 1.0%
Netscape 0.16%

United States
IE 79.78%
Firefox 15.82%
Safari 3.28%
Opera 0.81%
Note: "Usage rates for IE and Firefox in Canada and the U.K. are similar to the U.S. statistics."

Australia
IE 69.35%
Firefox 24.23%
Opera 4.69%
Netscape 0.26%

Germany
IE 55.99%
Firefox 39.02%
Opera 2.78%
Safari 1.73(Germany's high use of Firefox was a surprise)

Story from ComputerWorld:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9001737

The raw statistics can be read at OneStat (listing many more countries):
http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox44-mozilla-firefox-has-slightly-increased.html

amfantasy

07-12-2006, 11:28 PM

the Germany FF use was a surprise for me too, and I thought FF uses would be higher in United states

mech7

07-13-2006, 12:11 AM

JeroenDStout

07-13-2006, 12:28 AM

The web needs uniformity through a common language! Which it has. Only IE makes it own laws. It's horrid to check your website for IE compliance (or Firefox, but.. go do something). Still, both browsers have flaws and some people can't stand tabs (hehe, IE-7 makes fun of them there) or just the idea of 'Firefox'. I love it.

And - the Netherlands are, shamefully, below the world average on Firefox. By a small amount. Boo! My site stats show a 54% Firefox, though.

zzacmann

07-13-2006, 02:02 AM

Koogle

07-13-2006, 02:07 PM

Signal2Noise

07-13-2006, 02:14 PM

As long as IE is still bundled and installed with Windows it will be the predominant browser employed by users. Most computer users are novice or intermediate at best and probably don't take the time to seek out alternative apps since they are comfortable with what they have. Or they are simply unaware of the existence of other free utilities.

tozz

07-13-2006, 03:07 PM

Ie7 engine +Maxthon 2(preview) man just can't get better browser combination than that.

Maxthon 2 isn't even finished and its already loads better than Firefox 2 or shitfox.. even the current maxthon 1.x version offers a better browser experience than firecrap.

but really Microsoft should be ashamed to have left development on IE for so long, even IE7 on its own with its poor interface and lack of useful features ain't anything really special and certainly not something i'd comeback with if I was going to win back the browser market quickly. They might aswel start working on IE8 or just package Maxthon 2 with the current version.
How come a flawed engine is a good choice?

It has already been stated by the devs that they will have a shitload of stuff to fix after final, and that's bugs/rendering problems we're talking about...

IE7 is more of a usability and added bloat upgrade than a compatibility upgrade (guess it goes hand in hand with Vista there). Guess we'll have to happy with what we get, but people are so easily fooled that we'll probably sit here in 5years and go "got damn IE7, have to code around and do some wicked hacks to make it work and 80% of the population is using it".

Leionaaad

07-13-2006, 03:41 PM

Its amazing that within 10 or so years, Netscape went from being the be-all/end-all browser to being used by less than 0.2 percent of the population.

Maybe those people are still using Compuserve and Prodigy as well.

Yeah, I installed Netscape, and I was amazed by its gigantic size...then it loads extremely slow. When I click to launch IE or firefox, BAM! It loads instantly...Netscape takes it's time...
So the 0.2 percent is what they deserve, I think.

VirtualFM

07-13-2006, 04:27 PM

IMO, right now Opera is the best browser around (better than FireFox).

And it's not just my opinio, this guy here makes some good points:
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2004/11/opera-over-firefox

richcz3

07-13-2006, 05:22 PM

I use FF and have been for some time now. MS's Beta7 IE doesn't cut it for me.

I've installed FF to some family PCs and explained all the features. All is good and understood until they (or myself) come accross a page that reqiures IE. Then IE has to be fired up. So there are practical reasons for people continuing to use IE.

For work purposes there are CBS or UPN source sites that require IE or they simply won't work. There are certain business/commerce sites that still work with IE only. Until FF can addresses doing all the tasks there will be people who try FF but end up going back to IE.

Everytime a consumer has to fire up IE to perform a simple task - it's one step back from FF for them.

Spritemare

07-13-2006, 05:25 PM

What?!?! Firefox at only 15%? I didn't even know people under 60 still use IE :D

spmonahan

07-13-2006, 05:37 PM

I've installed FF to some family PCs and explained all the features. All is good and understood until they (or myself) come accross a page that reqiures IE. Then IE has to be fired up. So there are practical reasons for people continuing to use IE.

You can always get IE Tab: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1419/

gent_k

07-13-2006, 05:41 PM

IMO, right now Opera is the best browser around (better than FireFox).

And it's not just my opinio, this guy here makes some good points:
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2004/11/opera-over-firefox

It's OK, but out of the box Firefox is more natural to me. And for the stuff I like to customize, there's a solution for Firefox 99% of the time. Can't say the same about Opera. It has better memory usage though.

Saurus

07-13-2006, 05:57 PM

lol you would think that by now people would have learned not to use IE :shrug:But no.. we still have to develop sites and create hacks for a piece of crap not updated since 5 years ago.. siggg.. I hope vista and ie 7 will come soon will finally support transparent png and better css2 :(

After so many slow load, hanging computer during load, memory hog and crazy pop up, I actually switched back from FireFox back to IE7. I been using FF since the beginning and been happy with it, but just been acting nutty recently. This doesn't help....Firefox, iTunes, Skype tops most dangerous list (http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=33965)

***I did add parameter to stop pop up, but I still get them.

Koogle

07-13-2006, 06:14 PM

How come a flawed engine is a good choice?

It has already been stated by the devs that they will have a shitload of stuff to fix after final, and that's bugs/rendering problems we're talking about...

IE7 is more of a usability and added bloat upgrade than a compatibility upgrade (guess it goes hand in hand with Vista there). Guess we'll have to happy with what we get, but people are so easily fooled that we'll probably sit here in 5years and go "got damn IE7, have to code around and do some wicked hacks to make it work and 80% of the population is using it".

Well one IE6/7 is still faster at rendering pages than firefox, hell even memory usage from maxthon(using IE) beats firefox too the ground no matter how many tabs you have open and then its stilll faster at flicking through tabs with the mousewheel. And I wouldn't be so sure to call IE the only flawed engine it ain't perfect i'll agree with that, but then neither are any of the other browser engines( although thats not what they'd have you believe of course), and when there is more people using the IE well then there are going to be more people spotting the cracks and even making them.

UrbanFuturistic

07-13-2006, 06:27 PM

p2p news / p2pnet: BitDefender, cited by Bit9 in a list of 15 companies said to have critical security holes in their applications, has received a written apology.

"Simply put, Bit9 had depended upon data for their report that was months old," BitDefender spokesman Peter Gorman told p2pnet.

"The problem no longer exists and should not have even been considered for this report. I honestly wouldn't doubt that there are other companies in contact with Bit9 about these findings as well." (http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9150)

Whoops :rolleyes:

I'd also like to say to VirtualFM, that article, is just another opinion. Opera may well be the best browser for the way that guy works but this obviously isn't true for everyone, seeing as those with enough gumption to find FireFox will probably have tried Opera at some point. Yes, it's a superior browser for you, however, I like my dedicated mail program, I hate mouse gestures and I have no interest in RSS feeds. Mouse gestures are for people with better than average coordination, otherwise you end up going to click on a link and arriving at a random site based on what's in your clipboard at that point in time or something.

Kaostick

07-13-2006, 06:30 PM

It feels good to be in the minority. :D Been happily using Opera for a while now, but I have Firefox installed at home as well for those few pages that Opera just won't display.

Niklas Collin

07-13-2006, 07:40 PM

Opera all the way here. Firefox is OK and I'll use it if Opera isn't available for some reason (read: not sitting on my computer or on my work computer). IE is piece of crap that I haven't started on this Windows install, not even once (installed in the beginning of January).

OK, why I don't touch IE? Is it due to it doesn't have tabs (but IE7 does), or that it doesn't have decent pop-up blocks or what (again, IE7 has)? No, it's because it renders CSS incorrectly. OK, 99% of webpages are tested to work on IE and thus they'll render correctly on IE but it doesn't remove the fact that IE doesn't render CSS correctly. Most webpages are done like this: CSS for all the browsers in the world except IE and CSS for IE. Just guess how much added work does this do to web designers? And he who testes his webpages only with IE should be shot. Period.

IE is breaking standards critically and IE7 ain't much better. My friend who is responsible of two of Finland's top-5 largest websites just told me that he got an e-mail from Microsoft that one of the pages doesn't work correctly on IE7 and they asked him to fix it. When he dig into the problem he found out that all the extra stuff made for IE6 to make the pages work correctly with it were now interfering with IE7. IE7 showed pages incorrectly when using IE6 based CSS and also when using the normal CSS. In my opinion this is even worse than if IE7 would render everything as incorrect as IE6 does - at least then we'd have to do things only twice, not three times! But if IE7 would follow the standards then the problem would slowly fix itself.

Opera by the way follows standards best of the available browsers. Konqueror and Safari are very close. And then comes Firefox. I don't have problems with people using Firefox, it's mostly just a matter of taste between Opera and Firefox. But dear god people, IE is really hurting web designers life. By using IE you are constantly twisting a knife in the wound which is already very deep.

The day IE passes Acid 2 at least moderately I'll stop this rant. Not a day before. And as a final argument see this:

IE7 Acid 2 test render: http://www.students.tut.fi/~collinn/ie7-acid2.PNG

The way it SHOULD be showing: http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/reference.html

And the test itself: http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top

tozz

07-13-2006, 07:58 PM

Well one IE6/7 is still faster at rendering pages than firefox, hell even memory usage from maxthon(using IE) beats firefox too the ground no matter how many tabs you have open and then its stilll faster at flicking through tabs with the mousewheel. And I wouldn't be so sure to call IE the only flawed engine it ain't perfect i'll agree with that, but then neither are any of the other browser engines( although thats not what they'd have you believe of course), and when there is more people using the IE well then there are going to be more people spotting the cracks and even making them.
Is it? Never noticed a difference, but then again, I don't do microsecond benchmarks for page reading either. Perhaps IE is faster because it lacks all the features, ever tried js coding for IE? It's a freaking nightmare. Of the three browsers Opera really sports speed, it's noticable with the eye and it's also the browser of choice if you want support for the web recomendations that exists. Opera is the only browser that can complete the acid2 test, and that says plenty. The reson people was coding bad (coding for IE) was because there was no other browser for the public to use, with Firefox and Opera, both free, there is a choice. I see a trend where devs now actually ignore IE because it takes up too much time and just recommends the visitors to use Firefox or Opera instead. When I had my own site up I had 75-80% Firefox visitors, so it really made no sense coding for IE, even though I did.

There will have to come a time where the visitor accepts his/hers responsibility as a "surfer".

richcz3

07-13-2006, 08:21 PM

It will take a bit more to make stop using FF.

Things i do have an issue with

Memory handeling. There has to be a memory leak there somewhere.
Pages not loading at all or taking forever to load.
Having to kill FF and relaunch to clear it up. (Not a cache issue)

These traits run accross a number of my PC's. I'm using 1.5 right now and these issues seem to be getting worse with each release. IE7 (for me) just doesn't sit right with me. I tried it and couldn't get into it. I immediately was able to get the hang of FF.

Koogle

07-13-2006, 08:59 PM

Is it? Never noticed a difference, but then again, Perhaps IE is faster because it lacks all the features, ever tried js coding for IE? It's a freaking nightmare. Of the three browsers Opera really sports speed, it's noticable with the eye and it's also the browser of choice if you want support for the web recomendations that exists. Opera is the only browser that can complete the acid2 test, and that says plenty. The reson people was coding bad (coding for IE) was because there was no other browser for the public to use, with Firefox and Opera, both free, there is a choice. I see a trend where devs now actually ignore IE because it takes up too much time and just recommends the visitors to use Firefox or Opera instead. When I had my own site up I had 75-80% Firefox visitors, so it really made no sense coding for IE, even though I did.

There will have to come a time where the visitor accepts his/hers responsibility as a "surfer".

lol.. you don't need to do microsecond benchmarks to see the difference. I'm wondering if its even worth bothering with a reply to all that.. most of it doesn't mean anything, "Opera is the only browser that can complete the acid2 test" wow thats amazing, the only websites that are going to use every 'new' web standard are the kinda sites people couldn't careless about anyway eg boring blogs etc... or web developers who are just anti IE. "The reson people was coding bad (coding for IE)" that makes me laugh.

Well just to make things clear I still agree that IE7 needs work... maybe MS guys working on IE should just do more work on the engine and give up on the interface because they made a mess of it. Anyway out of all browsers out there Maxthon is still a better option, maybe for me.. but I'm sure more people will discover it when Maxthon 2 comes out. I'm testing an early preview and like I said before it blows Firefox2 out.

bobtronic

07-13-2006, 09:17 PM

I have sometimes the problem with GIFs playing too fast in FF. Does anyone know how to fix this?

Bob

tozz

07-13-2006, 09:40 PM

lol.. you don't need to do microsecond benchmarks to see the difference. I'm wondering if its even worth bothering with a reply to all that.. most of it doesn't mean anything, "Opera is the only browser that can complete the acid2 test" wow thats amazing, the only websites that are going to use every 'new' web standard are the kinda sites people couldn't careless about anyway eg boring blogs etc... or web developers who are just anti IE. "The reson people was coding bad (coding for IE)" that makes me laugh.

Well just to make things clear I still agree that IE7 needs work... maybe MS guys working on IE should just do more work on the engine and give up on the interface because they made a mess of it. Anyway out of all browsers out there Maxthon is still a better option, maybe for me.. but I'm sure more people will discover it when Maxthon 2 comes out. I'm testing an early preview and like I said before it blows Firefox2 out.
Since you obviously have 0 interest in web development I have to ask why you even take the time to write? Do you seriously think that no sites will ever start using new recomendations? Or is it only sites that you find boring (not a very good example using blogs since it's one of the most successful things that ever hit the net) and therefor IE7 combined with another shell (added bloat) is a good choice?

Do you do any web development yourself, or do you have any experience with it? From your posts it appears as if you discovered the web yesterday. I guess we should go back to table layouts and skip css, new technologies are for bloggers and other stupid people like developers :rolleyes:

Koogle

07-13-2006, 10:36 PM

lol right well i'm cleary having a conversation with a morron..
Do you do any web development yourself, or do you have any experience with it? yeah I do, call me a hobbiest, its not job I'd get into for the money.

From your posts it appears as if you discovered the web yesterday. heh yeah just yesterday

IE7 combined with another shell (added bloat) is a good choice? of course you never bothered to try it, but you just know better right.

I guess we should go back to table layouts and skip css, new technologies are for bloggers and other stupid people like developers hmm I don't remember saying anything like that.. just making up stuff now eh.

don't get me started on blogs.

Fredl

07-13-2006, 11:24 PM

DevilHacker

07-14-2006, 01:24 AM

edit. nm
.........

DoubleSupercool

07-14-2006, 01:38 AM

Wahay, 25% FF in Australia.

I have to say I still use IE for those pages that just aren't coded with different browsers in mind, but it's almost all FF for me.

Still, it has a long way to go. Lots of issues with cutting/pasting text (eg, into this window right here), blank window pop-ups when clicking on links and lots of memory usage. Sure there are workarounds by modifying your profile files directly, but I shouldn't have to do things like that.

amfantasy

07-14-2006, 03:05 AM

I use firefox because I can index all my web pages using beagle. (Suse Linux)

If your developing for web pages, and your only going to test with one browser, make sure it can pass the acid test. (aka not I.E.)

RocketBoy

07-14-2006, 03:22 AM

http://www.google.com/firefox

It's the page that loads up as the default page on the Firefox browser. If you use this as your search engine, you're still using Google, but Google makes a payment to Mozilla Firefox everytime you search with it.
That's pretty cool to know. I have been using that search page ever since I loaded firefox just due to convenience, but know I feel good about it.

tozz

07-14-2006, 08:07 AM

Do you like Open-Source web browsers (like Firefox)?????

Wanna throw them some money?

Well you don't actually have to give them your money. You can give them some of Google's billions instead!

Instead of using Google.com as your favorite search engine, use this instead:

http://www.google.com/firefox

It's the page that loads up as the default page on the Firefox browser. If you use this as your search engine, you're still using Google, but Google makes a payment to Mozilla Firefox everytime you search with it.
I had no idea, gonna change my search right away :)
...the only websites that are going to use every 'new' web standard are the kinda sites people couldn't careless about anyway eg boring blogs etc... or web developers who are just anti IE... CSS is 7years old and IE still doesn't handle it, what 'new' web technologies is it that we shouldn't care about and that only bloggers and anti IE people use? I don't have to try a browser that renders the ACID2 test like that, I know it's broken (and that goes for every single shell that does nothing but adding another interface to the engine).

Fredl

07-14-2006, 08:22 AM

I had no idea, gonna change my search right away :)

Yes, Google is actually paying for the development of Firefox and Opera browsers. These browsers have a Google text window in the top right corner, where you can search from. Google pays the browser makers a small amount of money for every search sent to Google.

This is the reason why Opera went free some months ago. Because Google pays for it.

In the case of Firefox, they also have the added Google/Firefox home page, that I mentioned before:
http://www.google.com/firefox
So use it as your search page, and let Google pay for Firefox development.

daHund

07-14-2006, 09:19 AM

...Opera is the only browser that can complete the acid2 test, and that says plenty...

thats not true. the khtml based browsers (that is safari and konqueror) where the first to render the acid2 test. opera can render it just recently. that also shows a lot: the test is very hard.

but thats not so important. most features tested with acid2 are very advanced. so it would realy nice to have them working in every browser, but the basics working in every browser would be enough for now ;).
so the main problem is that the IE developers don't care about any webstandard, not even the basics. the main change for ie7 is the new interface, the engine is mostly the same as in ie6...

that said, the firefox developers should also promote and implement more standards. the engine development isway to slow, they allmost stalled it two years ago.
currently the only engine thats realy actively worked on is khtml/webkit. the development there is way ahead, especially when it comes to xml and css stuff. so they are currently building the only browsers that are realy ready for the future - i.e. the next xhtml.

mech7

07-14-2006, 09:27 AM

Sorry but you are just being ignorant and clearly not a webdeveloper.. there are reason's t write semantic html.. there are reason to seperate to not use html for the design but css, html is ment to descrive your content not to layout pages... and tables are definititly not ment for layout!!!

Webdevelopers hate IE because it's needed to use conditional statements and hacks to get everything looking ok also for IE this would not have been needed if they ditched the development on IE. The only way they could get away with this because they had a monopoly position, now that firefox is eating a large part of their market share they finally get of their butts and are trying to get something done on their broken css support.

The developers of IE even know this, they admit that they have nothing done on their browser and that they caused allot of grief, and are asking for developers to let them know what should be changed. And they have fixed a huge part but not everything by a long shot... but the most important things luckily. So im hoping vista / ie7 will be here soon... the earlier we can ditch support for IE 6.

..the only websites that are going to use every 'new' web standard are the kinda sites people couldn't careless about anyway eg boring blogs etc... or web developers who are just anti IE...

tozz

07-14-2006, 12:25 PM

thats not true. the khtml based browsers (that is safari and konqueror) where the first to render the acid2 test. opera can render it just recently. that also shows a lot: the test is very hard.

but thats not so important. most features tested with acid2 are very advanced. so it would realy nice to have them working in every browser, but the basics working in every browser would be enough for now ;).
so the main problem is that the IE developers don't care about any webstandard, not even the basics. the main change for ie7 is the new interface, the engine is mostly the same as in ie6...

that said, the firefox developers should also promote and implement more standards. the engine development isway to slow, they allmost stalled it two years ago.
currently the only engine thats realy actively worked on is khtml/webkit. the development there is way ahead, especially when it comes to xml and css stuff. so they are currently building the only browsers that are realy ready for the future - i.e. the next xhtml.Very true, sorry for that, I was only thinking "PC" :)

It's true that the acid2 test is advanced, but the features it tests is in no way a secret or un-documented. I agree with you on the Firefox enginge, they spend way too much time painting icons and changing name instead of developing the engine.

I wouldn't say Opera engine development is very slow, at least they keep working on it :)

VirtualFM

07-14-2006, 12:36 PM

It's OK, but out of the box Firefox is more natural to me. And for the stuff I like to customize, there's a solution for Firefox 99% of the time. Can't say the same about Opera. It has better memory usage though.

Exactly the same feeling, but the other way! For me, Opera works out-of-the-box, and to make FF do what I want I have to dig for Plugins. I was getting tired of it because the same thing was going on in Thunderbird: looking for plugins all the time!

Notice that I did use Thunderbird for more than a year and I used FireFox for some months.

Now that I stoped using those 2, I neved have to loose my time looking for plugins or re-installing every week because of a new version, now I use Opera for browsing *and* email and I am not so happy since the days of Netscape circa 1998!

VirtualFM

07-14-2006, 01:03 PM

I'd also like to say to VirtualFM, that article, is just another opinion. Opera may well be the best browser for the way that guy works but this obviously isn't true for everyone

Of course. It is the way to work for me.

however, I like my dedicated mail program, I hate mouse gestures and I have no interest in RSS feeds. Mouse gestures are for people with better than average coordination, otherwise you end up going to click on a link and arriving at a random site based on what's in your clipboard at that point in time or something.

LOL! That was funny! OK, you can switch off the mouse gestures :-) (actually, they are switched off by default and Opera asks if you want to switch them on on the first time you use one. I actually only discovered those after some months of useage, where I did one of the mouse gestures by accident!)

I find myself much more productive in Opera while searching for information/news/articles or just break-time-browsing. Working in Tabs is awesome (I find them to have better behaviour than in FF), I absolutelly *love* the fact that I don't have to worry if Opera crashes (when IExplorer crashes takes all the pages away, and sometimes we don't even have the links or know how we got there!) because when I restart it I can open "From the last Session" and it opens everything that was opened, including it maintains the history so I can navigate "back" in each tab. I also love how simple it is to search for anything and the little help for finding links in a busy page.

As for the mouse gestures, I only actually use one, an easy one that opens a new page.

You mentioned a dedicated email program. Well, I used Thunderbird for more than a year. I loved it, best email client around, no doubt (even better than Eudora, wich I also used a lot). But the way Opera treats email, boy, that's different! It's awesome the way it creates filters automatically (for people you answer the most, for recent messages you answered) creates mailing-list groups automatically (no need to create folder, add filter, sort it, see if all works) and above all the database way os storing messages! There are NO FOLDERS! All messages are in a huge database. You just apply filters to them to organize them the way you want, so you can still have the mailing lists "folder" (wich is created automaticaly, as I said before), it automatiacally filters emails with attachments, *and* by the different types of attachments, and guess what! Since thse are NOT folders, you can have the same messages to be displayed in several filters at the same time!!! For example, a close friend of you sends you an important work message with an attachment of some important file. In a few months, this message is lost in the hundreds of messages you received in that time. Now imagine that for some reason you need that attachment again. In a common program you had to make a search for the name of the friend (if you remembered who sent it, in the first place), and try to see if the attachment was there, maybe guessing by the message's size. In Opera, in first place all the messages of this friend are filtered in a group. So you can search there. Then all the attachments are also filtered in a group, so yo can search there easilly, then since the message was marked as High Priority, Opera also filters those, so no propblem, and probably you filtered this message as "Work", your own customized filter, and the same message appears in all those places!

Actually this is the way files should work in the Operating system. Many many times I would like to classify a file as "Fun", "3D Animation", "Good Lighting", "Good Special FX", "Friend's Work"... and it's "a bit" difficult with current folders organization. So now, if I really want to do this, I have to make several copies of the same file, or add shortcuts to each folder. With this database organizartion Opera uses, I just need one file (saving precious disk space) and I could have access to this file from several locations, depending on what I was looking for at the moment.

But I digress... :-)

VirtualFM

07-14-2006, 01:11 PM

The day IE passes Acid 2 at least moderately I'll stop this rant. Not a day before. And as a final argument see this:

IE7 Acid 2 test render: http://www.students.tut.fi/~collinn/ie7-acid2.PNG

The way it SHOULD be showing: http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/reference.html

And the test itself: http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top

WOW! That was enlightening! :)

IE displayed the page like a bunch of garbage here! Opera worked fine! FF failed (not as bad ad IE, but failed)

Geta-Ve

07-14-2006, 02:01 PM

mech7

07-14-2006, 03:29 PM

Actually that is the fault of the webdeveloper really.. as advertisers killed the popup functionality, we have to resort back to floating layers and such :)

agreed, I use IE7 now (mainly because google bookmarks only work on that) but I have had no problems, actually IE7 blocks TOO many pop ups.. lol it is too safe in my opinion.

daHund

07-14-2006, 03:39 PM

Very true, sorry for that, I was only thinking "PC" :)
...

well, konqueror also runs on the PC ;).

about opera: the source is closed, so we don't know whats happening there right now. but in the past they where a bit behind the khtml people, so i would say they still are :P.

tozz

07-14-2006, 04:49 PM

well, konqueror also runs on the PC ;).

about opera: the source is closed, so we don't know whats happening there right now. but in the past they where a bit behind the khtml people, so i would say they still are :P.
:p

It's true we're in the dark, but from what I can tell there's a force within Opera who aims for a better engine and greater support, they're working with CSS3 right now if I remember correctly.

As for all the talk about ads and popups, there's better solutions. I use admuncher, sure might cost a couple of dollars, but if you like me spend hours every day on the web it's more than worth it. Beats everything any browser has ever done, and it does so without making a fuzz about it :)

mech7

07-14-2006, 06:00 PM

Have you tried adblock + adblock filterset its free and filters pretty much everything ;)

:p
As for all the talk about ads and popups, there's better solutions. I use admuncher, sure might cost a couple of dollars, but if you like me spend hours every day on the web it's more than worth it. Beats everything any browser has ever done, and it does so without making a fuzz about it :)

tozz

07-14-2006, 06:26 PM

Have you tried adblock + adblock filterset its free and filters pretty much everything ;)
I haven't tested it personally, but I know people who has compared and according to them adblock doesn't hold a candle against admuncher. It all comes down to what kind of features you need I guess. Oh well, a little OT here :)

Fredl

07-14-2006, 11:31 PM

That browser Acid Test (posted above) is amazing. I just ran every browser over it. I think the Konqueror renders it best.

Niklas Collin

07-15-2006, 07:46 AM

That browser Acid Test (posted above) is amazing. I just ran every browser over it. I think the Konqueror renders it best.

Does Konqueror turn the nose in the smiley into blue when the mouse cursor goes over it? At least before Konqueror and Safari managed to render the test correctly in every other aspects except that. Opera 9 beta was the very first browser ever to succeed in all aspects of the test.

ashrass99

07-17-2006, 12:33 AM

Thanks for this info. Firefox is best but IE7 beta also shows good improvement.

Fredl

07-17-2006, 01:32 AM

I just tested the Safari browser.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8809/safarigrabpz4.gif

The nose turned blue when the curser moved over it. When I tried it in Opera, the nose turned red!

What browser are you using? Test it here:
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top

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