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yuriythebest
07-12-2006, 03:44 PM
The enthralling tale of the eternal battle between man and beast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerVh6zW8SI

yuriythebest
07-12-2006, 07:48 PM
Did I mention I really like comments?

Phalanx3D
07-12-2006, 08:06 PM
C'mon. You have to be able to see when you look at this that none of the 3D aspects are up to par. If I were you, I would stop trying to generalize, making films and trying to do so much, and would pick one of the things to focus on, because the models, the lighting, animation, cinematography, story, really everything has a lot of work to even be critique-able...

-k

fightingthumb
07-12-2006, 08:11 PM
i would say the thing you need to work on the most is your animating. im sorry but it really was awful. everything else needs some work too. your t-rex had 4 arms, incase you werent aware...your texturing is one of the best things, but the textures were so low resolution that everything went blurry. keep trying and i am sure the next time itll be way better. try to find a better compresser too... sorenson is great! good luck

yuriythebest
07-12-2006, 10:42 PM
thanks for the harsh yet constructive comments, gimme more please.

fightingthumb- yes, it's a mutant cybertooth t-rex:) In other forums and from my friends in general the biggest flaw that everyone saw was the animation (presumably the character animation), I took note of that and will work on my animating skills for now. The video you saw was of lof resolution cause I'm on dial-up and uploading the full-quality DivX version was an impossibility for me.

loni
07-12-2006, 10:50 PM
Question !
Is this an Animation ?! Realy dont looks so you have to work Hard to make a better movie

Good thin is that this movie is on Youtube

mistasam02
07-13-2006, 09:37 AM
oh my god thats the most awesome thing i have seen evaarr :applause:

but no really.. that was horrible. i sent it to hella people and just laughed so hard. dude wow lol. now as far as critiques go.. i really have no knowledge of 3ds max but theres a lotta stuff you need to work on as a short movie clip in general.

#1 textures look ok, but could be better i guess.. no real problem there.
#2 camera movements are awkward, jerky at points, and really make the whole movie look wierd. try using more cuts than camera moves?
#3 rendering is the biggest reason i see that makes it look low-budget or ametuerish.. im sure you could use vray or something that 3ds has to make it look nicer. if it was rendered better, it would hide a lot of the other flaws.
#4 animation.. *sigh.. ok.. not BAD, but far far in a galaxy far away from GOOD. lol.. the walking is so incredibly floaty. your characters are all sliding around on the ground! then the dino is like just on a loop, but its not a good loop so his jerkiness stands out a lot. use reference for it, watch other trex clips, and definitely exaggerate the weight when he takes a step! as for the people, do some research on how they walk and pull out guns and how they just move like.. people. right now they're crazy stiff and just really bad. really bad!!

so sorry for the harsh words, but by posting this in the "finished animations" forum, you had it coming! just keep on practicing, and do tons of research. it will come eventually but practice makes perfect. as for now, be prepared to hear more critiques and more laughing.

:thumbsup:

yuriythebest
07-13-2006, 01:14 PM
mistasam02- Thanks! this is the most constructive critique ever (or at least for my movie). no offence taken by it. Cheers!

AmpChuck
07-14-2006, 11:31 PM
...I have to say I really enjoyed this in a perverse Ed Wood meets Troma kind of way.

Sure, it's nowhere on the map, technically but it was just a lot of fun. And isn't his what 3d was originally meant to be about? One man and his computer creating an action-packed movie where a mutant, 4 armed, sabre-toothT-rex is annihilated by a crashing spaceship? "Sorry for interrupting" must be the funniest line I've heard in a long time.

It could do with some much tighter editing but there's definitely some embryonic talent in there.

:thumbsup:

yuriythebest
07-16-2006, 02:11 PM
thanks AmpChuck, glad you like it!

ozy_g
07-17-2006, 12:25 AM
Dood! This Is Awesome!!! I Love It!

nikolas1977
07-17-2006, 07:46 AM
I liked it and it did amuse me to no end. Technically take adivce for all the above posts as it is indeed bad, but honestly the voice acting and the lines, were...something else.

:)

yuriythebest
07-17-2006, 03:35 PM
thanks people, all the advice given (or that will still be given) means a great deal to me, I'll use a lot of the suggestions next time, and the words of reassurance I'l use too.

Soyseitan
08-04-2006, 09:33 PM
Checking cgtalk for new dino-material, found this. Well....it's a start, don't let the harsh comments let you down, it reminds me alot of my animations 3 years ago. Just keep on going, find some professional mentors and just go for it !

Andyman
08-04-2006, 10:35 PM
I agree with everyone else that the animation and such needs work; but I actually laughed out loud when I watched it. The T-Rex popping out of the trees was great and the spaceship crashing into the him was hilarious.

Maybe I'm just in a goofy mood, but... it made me laugh aloud =).

Also, I respect your respectful response to your blunt criticism, yuriythebest. Oh, and by the way, your animation is better than anything I can do!

JmTm00
08-04-2006, 11:25 PM
At first i didnt know: cry or laugh, but hey if your adventure with animation has just began than i must say that u have a lot of courage to guide this short from very beggining to end. I belive that u improved ur skills during this animation. I can only give u an advise: Change your camera move style, i had felling that durring animation proces u focused mainly on the camera movement.

Ps: Got any previous works :) ? Dont take it like offence, im just courious about your progress

yuriythebest
08-05-2006, 03:28 PM
wow more comments, thanks guys!

Soyseitan- sorry I couldn't help you with the dino material, thanks for the overall positive comment.

Andyman- thanks, glad you like it, after all that's why I made it- to bring a few minutes of joy into the worls, oh and to improve my skills in 3ds max. Your statement "Oh, and by the way, your animation is better than anything I can do!" is wrong- you can do anything you wish, just work hard. Yes, I respond to blunt critisism because it's honest and some of it is very helpful and points out areas I need to improve, mainly the animation- I can get plenty of sugar-coated congratulations from my friends and family, plus the people who give it (well, most of them anyways) I have great respect for, so it's very good.

JmTm00- thanks, yes, courage and will power. I've seen many great projects than were never finished, and an amateur project like mine is way better cause at least it is here and people can see it. To answer your question- no, this is not my first 3d aniamtion however cause I'm on dial up this is the only one I've uploaded (the previous ones are of lower quality- I improve with every animation I make thogh), if you want I've also made plenty of flash movies, go to newgrounds.com and search for movies made by me "yuriythebest" using the in built search engine.

DJ-Nicke
08-05-2006, 06:09 PM
Hey dude, i enjoyed that. Everyone has to start somewhere, and I think you're on the right track. As you said, with every animation you get better, so keep it coming. I think somehow this animation brought out the child in me and reminded me of the movies I used to make as a child, or stuff I'd do to make my friends laugh. Hey, once I had an acting teacher say to the class "the reason DJ's not funny is because he tries to be funny, don't do that." And now I'm a paid stand-up comic.

If you want to learn about weight in movement, just stand in front of a large mirror. Draw a straight line down the center of the mirror. Position yourself so that the line is right in the middle of your body with your weight evenly on both feet. Then lift one foot off the ground and watch how far your body moves away from the foot you lift. It's quite a lot more than most people realize.

If you want to elarn about animation, I suggest "The Animators Survival Kit" by Richard Williams. If you want to go deeper, try "The Illusion of Life" by Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston.

If you want to learn about movement, do a search on "Moshe Feldenkraise" or the "Feldenkrais Method" and try and find some of his books. That'll teach you a lot about how our bodies actually move.

Good luck!

yuriythebest
08-05-2006, 10:44 PM
cool, if only I had a large mirror. When I'l be near one I'l be sure to try some stuff out. I wrote down the names of the books you suggested for future refrence. Thanks.

Buexe
08-05-2006, 10:51 PM
You R the best indeed! I really liked your movie
and even if it may not be highend cg stuff it
had a story and even a funny one. I like to
watch animations like yours 100 times more
than some highend z-brush mental ray bla bla
still of some corny fantasy stuff.
Keep it coming!
:applause: :applause: :applause:

Imaginer
08-06-2006, 02:02 AM
Hi Yurithebest,

I watched your flash animations, and I found them quite amusing actually (I especially like the way this girl is throwing away her fireballs), with some very humoristic things ("Hero Squad" :applause: ). Of course as it's been said your T-Rex attack animation needs a lot of improvment on the technial aspects, but you seem to be really eager to learn.

Also, I saw that you have "movie partners" helping you at least for voices and stuff. Are those people friends of yours? And do they also live in Ukraine, or are they internet friends?... just curious.

mstram
08-06-2006, 02:43 AM
The enthralling tale of the eternal battle between man and beast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JerVh6zW8SI

Hi Yuriy,

Given that this is an animation forum, it's understandable why most of the critical comments have been targeted at ..er the animation in your film :) Yes it's raw and needs work, but it was nice to see a finished short instead of yet another demo reel of character walk cycles ;) (Note to moderators, it would be nice if this forum was split into "showreels" and "finished shorts").

While the beginning and middle of your movie didn't offer anything radically new, the end was funny and completed the short nicely.

It was a bit hard to understand what the characters were saying at some points. "..Reinforcements.." was all I caught the last guy saying.

I liked the staging and scenery, though the camera moves could be a bit smoother.

Even as is, this short could be one of those "intermission" shorts shown on one of the kid's channels. (Might have to change the sh**t word though :).

Nice start that just needs a bit of polishing !

btw, how did you do the clouds?

Mike

yuriythebest
08-06-2006, 09:57 AM
Buexe- thanks! Glad you like it. However both those things you've mentioned (zbrush, mental ray) I've used, though not very skillfully, though I sure tried:)

Imaginer- Good to know you like my animations. hero squad 3 is on the horizon now so you'l probably enjoy that too. While I prefer for my animations to be all a one-man-show, I still canít do without additional voice actors- voice synthesizers just donít cut it, so I use real people. One of them is my neighbor , but the rest are all on the internet. There are entire websites/forums devoted to helping aspiring voice actors find projects and vice versa. A good one is here: Voice Acting Club - Home (http://voiceacting.proboards62.com/index.cgi?). Cheers



Mstram- Thanks. Yeah, making tv shorts would be a dream come true. I did the clouds using the dreamscape plugin.

mir-vadim
01-18-2007, 02:31 PM
Hi yuriythebest, maybe you dont know but billions and billions people waiting ZBrush 2.5 right now. And as i saw in your reel you already have it. Where you find it?

noobie
01-18-2007, 07:41 PM
yep animaton is pretty bad lol.. especially the characters and the t-rex ahaha.. even your walking doesnt look right if u look at it when the girl or guy who walks outta the plane after it crashes into the t-rex she floats around the trex to the other characters i dont think you should tackle sucha big tasks do small animations like most people in the WIP animation section to get down basic movements like walking running lifting stuff pushing stuff or just a bouncing ball first

also it was already mentioned but the camera jerks too and it just seems to move randomly with no purpose at times.. like when the t-rex gets outta the trees and starts running towards the two guys the camera just keeps flying around for no reason... and when the characters are the talking yea.. it just keeps moving with really no purpose.. try cutting to closer shots when characters are interacting you dont always haveta have all the characters on the screen when theyre talking to each other i dunno but those two parts look really random and boring on camera movements

Obraxis
01-18-2007, 11:09 PM
Firstly, I admire that you took on such a big job and did actually get it done. Bravo. More than a lot of people in college do. So congrats on that.

However, as the others have said, the overall quality is poor. You still need to learn about quality control. A good idea is to specialise in one area that you're good at. Maybe try and do small projects to get your skills up to par rather than huge massive projects like this one.

KengZ
01-19-2007, 07:27 AM
:)
learn more about lighting, camera and animating
and I believe you can make it better in tomorow.

Fight !!!

yuriythebest
01-19-2007, 09:49 AM
Hi yuriythebest, maybe you dont know but billions and billions people waiting ZBrush 2.5 right now. And as i saw in your reel you already have it. Where you find it?

my bad- I only have brush 2.0, sorry for the confusion. billions are people are into high-end cg? cool...

KengZ, Obraxis, noobie- thanks for your constructive critisizm. Currently I'm in the first stages of making untitled-4, and I'll make a point of apart from making a nice lil anim, I'l improve upon all the flaws in untitled 3. That is, I'm very proud of untitled-3 as a personal achievement, however it's far from demonstrating my full potential. The most impotant thing is I'll do preliminary character animation practice-runs before doing the actual animation animating. i.e. iron out all the flaws in the movements and get some practive animating while I'm at it. I'l try to make the camera movement less jerky- no promises there. Cheers!

Nintendians
08-21-2007, 09:20 PM
nice, but walkcycle seem weird and like you might need refference to your t-rex's movements, in some other part seems like the people walk but they also slide too, just need improvement in those, by the way i'm not even close to animating yet.

CriticalSync
08-23-2007, 12:40 AM
I really love the style of it. it'd be great for something related to the game spore, space men come from a planet distant off in other galaxy, and fight among the beasts. I like everything but the rendering and walk animations. The only thing Found of me in your movie is that these men look as if they were moon walking.

SteveKey
08-23-2007, 02:50 AM
Although the technical aspects of the animation werent exactly up to par, I found it watchable, and hilarious. Theres a lot of artists out there who create crude drawings and traditional animation, and get props for it, but you dont see that too much in 3d yet. I did laugh and watch the whole thing, which is more than I can say about many of the animation shorts I come across.

evilwabbit
08-23-2007, 01:57 PM
:buttrock: i really dont know what to say even though it was really lacking in umm all area's i forgot about it all and found it really amusing.. points to work on,

modeling, texturing it felt to flat, animation i dont know what app you used but it's not working for you, and plan your scenes it looked like you made it up as you went. camera shoots need alot of work... keep it up im sure you learnt alot from creating this peice.

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