WIP- The Walk

[arnocob]

:)
Hi !
The compo seems good...
About the lighting, you've bring them maybe too much in the details before thinking in general.
There is actually too much white and not enough some large grey parts for me (just my opinion)
Maybe some grey parts on the floor in the foreground 'll help to create depth...
I am not sure about the general light direction, is it comes from the zenith (vertical)?
If you wanted the light comes from the background, some shadows are not really in place...(man's shadow and the pumpkin's ones..)

Hope I am not too hard on crits:)
I 'll check for an update, don't be impressed by comments, everybody here is OK

[theYiffer]

Hey arnocob!

As you've pointed out, I have lighting issues. :banghead: But yeah, the general lighting is coming from the zenith, simulating a sunset. I think I went on a tangent without any thought on the direction of the lighting. But thanks for pointing that out. Better to have that pointed out now than when it's almost finished.

Anyway, I've made some corrections to the grayscale study, and gave the pict and overall darker look.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/8a3b2365.jpg

I want to add some leaves to the trees, but I need to first learn how to work with Painter's image hose. Until then...

[theYiffer]

I finally figured out the image hose and how to create a nozle in Painter. :P

Anyway, here's an updated grayscale study with the leaves:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/85da3b64.jpg

And some color roughed in with digital watercolors and thick/thin pen on a multiply layer:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/404145ec.jpg

The color rough seem to look good to me for now. Maybe I'll tweek it some more when I look at it with some fresh eyes. We'll see...

Thanks!

[eilidh]

This is looking pretty good. I think you can build a really nice atmosphere in here.

Just a detail: I am thinking that if the setting sun is the light source, then all the tree shadows should be aligned? I have the impression that shadows like this would be cast from a lamp placed in a relative distance rather than the sun. Not entirely sure about that, though. It's still early in the morning. :)

[theYiffer]

eilidh:

It is a sunset (or in my mind it is). But as far as the way the shadows fall, I was more or less guestimating based on the flow from the lightsource. This is something I need to research or play with.

I'm tempted to crack open Blender 3D and try to simulate the same thing. (Although, I've yet to have mastered Blender.)

[eilidh]

Erhh, scratch that. Like I said, it was early in the morning. They're just fine as they are (checked here (http://www.pinedaleonline.com/photogallery/davebell/PresidentsDayWeekend/scr-P2211666--Sunset-smallversion.jpg) and here (http://ct1.pbase.com/u11/bishopsmead/small/38120178.sunsetshadow.jpg)). What was I thinking! *hits head*

[theYiffer]

I've been working on this off and on. I rendered most everything except for the leaves and the smoke...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/13084237.jpg

[theYiffer]

:wip: Deciede to build up some focus by making some of the trees, leave, etc out of focused or blurry. More rendering of the smoke and man. I think that's about it. I've been working on this off and on for a while... or maybe too long :sad:

Oh well...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/c148d0e4.jpg

[eilidh]

I think there are a few more tweakings you could do to the leaves; they look kind of flat to me still, and I think they need a few more sharper patches in the front and very a slight variation in colour.
You could also make your horizon a little bit smoother.
...that's about it. :)

[theYiffer]

I took up eilidh's suggestions (maybe I overkilled it with the leaves. I decieded to make them stand out with a dark green and brown on a multiply layer.), and I threw in some fog. See what you guys think....

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/56199377.jpg

[Dianae]

It looks better :) But the greyish parts are too neutral, they should be more coloured IMO ;) And the leaves could be even darker.

[audit]

hi, i would say careful not to lose too much sharpness. the mist is nice, but i feel the shading could be more defined, less smooth i guess. also agree with dianae on the grey quality, seems too muted in the leaves, maybe overall too. you'll have to play around with that i think. also, the volumes of the leaf masses could be clearer imo. wondering about the sense of scale...i can't work it out. the guy seems large compared to the trees, small compared to the pumpkins. i think the idea that the pumpkins are in the very far foreground could be pushed some more to spell the perspective out. probably too much rejig at this stage...
anyhow, nice going so far :)

[theYiffer]

Alright, I've been able to spend some quality time tonight. Taking Dianae and Audit's thought's into consideration (thanks by the way), I've ripped chunks of it apart (Thank God for Photoshop!). Shrunk the man to help push the perspective. Recreated a nozzle for the leaves and repainted, sprayed, spewed, whatever the leaves on the closest tree, and made color adjustments in PS to make it consistant with the other trees. For shits and giggles here's a comparision of what the leaves with the PS adjustments (A), and what was origionally created with the hose (B):

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/23c4a152.jpg

Other things to note, I've more or less repainted the pumkins, vines, and tree bark here and there. (mainly on the closest tree.) I'm not completely satisfied with this piece (mainly due to the tree leaves, I may have to redue the rest of them.), but if I stare at it long enough, everything looks wrong. :argh:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/722656d0.jpg

Oh well, we'll see...

[michael-olszak]

Looking good there man. Keep it up.

[eishiya]

I think the fog and smoke should catch more light from the sun, that could really connect the various parts of the piece together. There seems to be a really desaturated feel to this, washed out and dirty. Perhaps adding yellow or pink to your highlights (instead of white/desaturated lights) might help.

[theYiffer]

More work on the leaves. Did some are brushing on a multiply layer to darken them. (Photoshop seems to darken the piece when bringing it in from Painter8...) Also I recreated the fog/myst with a variety of colors from the sky.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/9a8598ad.jpg

I've also been pondering the reoccuring critisism of the desaturate look of the piece. There could be color shifts from monitor to monitor, but in this day in age it shouldn't be that dramatic. Maybe it might had been a mistake to paint directly on top of the greyscale I painted. For alot of brushes in P8, you have to check off pick up underlying color to use without having a white halo around your stroke.... I've also noticed how colors can become muddy when using the Gouche brushes, which are my work horses when painting. I have to break things up with other brushes... Oh well...

[theYiffer]

I think I'm more or less done with this. In Painter, I repainted the grass in the forground, touched up stuff here and there, and played around with the fog layer... Then back into Photoshop, I pushed back some of the trees to push the perspective...


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/6adb2479.jpg

A penny for your thoughts....

[iworkat]

Loooking through the progress the leaves make a big difference.... For me the fog is too much... make the image overall too soft... at some point in the image I would like to see some harder edges... some crisp detail... maybe on the pumpkin.. I dunno... Also I would consider using a complement for the shadows on the ground to make your overall color more interesting... yellow <-> violet, blue <-> orange, etc.... not a saturated color, closer to a dark neutral version.... good stuff overall though...

[theYiffer]

It's been a while, but here's the latest and greatest up date.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k152/theYiffer/ef8d90c2.jpg


I've decieded to remove the smoke/fog for now to concentrate on repainting and sharpening the foreground objects. (pumpkins, vines, leaves, ground. and grass) At times, I've tried using the oil painting technique of blending color on the canves in Painter 8. With some some colors it worked out alright. (Closely related colors) Other colors tend blend to a greyish-brown. (Any time I mix in purples or at times complements) I mainly rely on glazing to blend my colors. If I were working in photoshop, I'd end up using a multiply layer and a really dark purple or a combination of black and greys...


Thanks again!

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