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SweD
07-06-2006, 03:08 PM
Hi guyz,

Atlantis was one of the most criticized and fantastic myth of mankind, and really good subject to me ! i'm in for this one.
There is a moment I want to mix 3d with matte painting, and tests my "skill" on this, maybe it's time to go now.
Another objective for me is to create an underwater environment ! I hop to learn more technics and tips with follow all thread and create mine.

And for now and futur, it will be great if you could excuze me for my strange english :scream:

Good luck to all and have fun.

*****LAST UPDATE : FINAL ENTRIE*****

http://swedart.membres.jexiste.org/atlantis/matte.jpg

Matellis
07-06-2006, 03:59 PM
Hey Cyril , welcome aboard

SweD
07-06-2006, 07:21 PM
Hey thanx Matt :thumbsup:

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Some research about Atlantis (very interesting, for my general culture :) ) :

In 370 B.C., The Greek philosopher Plato wrote In "Critias" a describe of Atlantis, as the Kingdom of Poseidon, god of the sea.

About the temple wich place is at the center of the plain :
"The palaces in the interior of the citadel were constructed on this wise:-in the centre was a holy temple dedicated to Cleito and Poseidon, which remained inaccessible, and was surrounded by an enclosure of gold [...] All the outside of the temple, with the exception of the pinnacles, they covered with silver, and the pinnacles with gold. In the interior of the temple the roof was of ivory, [...].
In the temple they placed statues of gold: there was the god himself standing in a chariot-the charioteer of six winged horses-and of such a size that he touched the roof of the building with his head; around him there were a hundred Nereids riding on dolphins, [...]
And around the temple on the outside were placed statues of gold of all the descendants of the ten kings and of their wives, and there were many other great offerings of kings and of private persons, coming both from the city itself and from the foreign cities over which they held sway. [...]

My first idea is using a part of the temple's describe by plato to do the center of matte...if it is technically possible for me, and in time. :scream:

Velarion
07-06-2006, 07:24 PM
thanks for the great info.good luck people!:thumbsup:

JJASSO
07-06-2006, 07:36 PM
hey SweD you did a great research , that would be awesome to see, good luck I'll be looking forward for your work

SweD
07-06-2006, 10:05 PM
hehe thanx Ismail and Jaime, I'm happy if infos can help everyone in this contest (or not), and you should read the complete Plato's Critias here (http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html) , (critias is an unfinished dialogue.)

Soooo....now the challenge :twisted:

here an historic constitution of the central city of Atlantis :

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/Atlantis.jpg

Temple is central piece of Atlantis and will be i think the central piece of my composition, so i try to make a plan with a little architectural disposition.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/plan.jpg

SweD
07-07-2006, 12:12 AM
So here my first test for cam angle and hypothetic composition.
As i don't realise handsketch, I placing some basic objects in 3D and make some posing and compositing test.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip01.jpg

JJASSO
07-07-2006, 01:50 AM
this is a nice start SweD, yours is going to be the most accurate I think , talking about history or the legend itself , but hey this is going to be awesome , try doing first some 2D color sketch so you control the composition and mood first

SweD
07-07-2006, 01:51 AM
here the first modeling !
I"ve already an idea in my mind, so start the modeling.
This is the first gate (gate of the great hall) to enter the temple.



http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip02.jpg

Jaime thanx for your kind words :love:
about drawing, I've some difficulties to translate in 2D speedpaint what i've in mind, i made some rough of course... I will try to do a 2D color sketch and post here in same time I'm making the 3D modeling.
:thumbsup:

SweD
07-07-2006, 04:13 AM
modeling is on the way for the first gate.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip03.jpg

As you can see, I would to put on wall gold ornaments wich be visible in final cam angle, and bring to the gate another monumental aspect.

I've made an attempt too, in puting poseidon's head on the wall, but its really expensive in polygone and not enough visible to stay here.
By the way, the good point is that the head was modeling yet for the futur work on statue.

So here my poseidon head, on the base of a lowpoly cage I use to do my characters.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/02.jpg

And now, going to sleep ! :scream:

Trunks
07-08-2006, 01:35 AM
Wow this is looking sooo good so far! Just keep at it! I will watch your process :)

I think the walls should be much higher ... or they would not need a gate ;)

Velarion
07-08-2006, 01:22 PM
it will be a great matte I think, keep up it's going wonderful even at this level:bounce:

AnimZiggy
07-08-2006, 03:32 PM
Great start and great research.
I would do what Jamie suggested, you can always paint over your original 3D sketch to get the lighting and the mood right.
Keep it up!

SweD
07-08-2006, 09:23 PM
thanx for support :thumbsup:
Trunks I/ve take care of what you've said, and I've made much work on the wall, which now much higher too.
give me yours feels about :

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip04.jpg

You can see severals news elements as statue I've named "Dolphins of poseidon" :scream:
here the statue only, choose a sphere to break the cubic architecture :

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/statue01.jpg

Matellis
07-08-2006, 09:47 PM
swed! thats looking sharp! keep it up :)

SweD
07-08-2006, 09:53 PM
thanx a lot matt ;)

here a little test with cam angle :

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip05.jpg

rusdom
07-09-2006, 01:02 AM
amazing..... really nice work. everything is looking great so far! I love the mood you've created... Keep up the good work!

Trunks
07-09-2006, 01:16 AM
thanx for support :thumbsup:
Trunks I/ve take care of what you've said, and I've made much work on the wall, which now much higher too.
give me yours feels about :

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip04.jpg

You can see severals news elements as statue I've named "Dolphins of poseidon" :scream:
here the statue only, choose a sphere to break the cubic architecture :

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/statue01.jpg

WOW man that's great! This is how a with such a gate should look like :) I like this statue. Maybe you can try to vary the statues ... make 2 or 3 different ones. Would look really great :D

Keep it up :D

SweD
07-13-2006, 12:47 AM
hey guyz thanx for comments :)
Trunks; sure it would be great with other statues to break the linear style, but for the moment i'll do with that and if i've a rest of time at the end, would make others :)

for the moment, 35°C outdoor, approx 70°C indoor, hot to try making some render and test for the temple ! :rolleyes:
thinking about water of Atlantis refresh me a few ! :D

placing some cylinders for placement of statues

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip06.jpg

CodeNothing
07-13-2006, 12:52 AM
wow! lots of work going into this! models are looking great.

ReinaldoRomero
07-13-2006, 02:29 AM
Nice modeling, and great research...

Good luck

SweD
07-13-2006, 02:36 AM
thanx guyz ;)

here another test, last for this night, with a start of ground modeling, with an ancien river around the temple, and a little first test for the underwater color

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip07.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip08.jpg

Trunks
07-15-2006, 12:40 AM
Looks grat! I like the model and the textures you put on it! I am looking forward to your next updates :D

nickmarshallvfx
07-15-2006, 01:39 PM
Wow this really is looking sweet! Im folllowing your progress closely. Look forward to seeing next stages!

iD-GRAPH
07-26-2006, 01:39 PM
i wanna be like U!
ca commence a etre pas mal tout ca!! julien

SweD
07-28-2006, 12:35 AM
hey trunks and space-prayer, thanx for support, you can come again now to see update :scream:

glad you're here Julien ! one day you could be like me, one day :twisted:.... also great post you've do in 3dstill with your stadium, friend :applause:

Sooooo here the update, after long time, and little file crash (love 3dsmax :banghead: )

here the modeling of the temple, rest some nymphs statues, and big one on Poseidon, represented here by the large sphere.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip09_1.jpg

here some texturing and tests made on photoshop :

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip09_2.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip09_3.jpg

with a pass with scanline to have shadows :
http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip09_4.jpg

and the last one, maybe final ambiant, don't know !

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip09_5.jpg

not really happy with this concret map, but it's just a test for now ;)

ReinaldoRomero
07-28-2006, 07:12 AM
Hi SweD, i think the texture you use is to gariny and a bit out of scale

SOE digital
07-28-2006, 07:28 AM
Man they are some really cool ideas you've got going there mate. Awsome stuff.

Velarion
07-28-2006, 10:14 AM
great renders!:thumbsup: the last one have too much contrast but it has great underwater feeling though.

SweD
07-28-2006, 04:51 PM
As you said Rei, texture is not appropriate to the scale. Just test in photoshop, the texture will be directly take a uniform scale in 3ds. ;)

Soe, thanx for your kinds words, friend !

Velarion, to much contrast ? nooo never to much a 2 oclock in the morning when eyes are near their orbits :scream:
Thanx man.

So today, not enough time again, but work on the door of the little temple !

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/porte-atlante.jpg

No serious problem with architecture at this point for the door, so work first on the Guardian statues. Even if the details dont be visible in the matte, i want him to have an aggressiv style, to make understanding there are the keepers of the poseidon's gate.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/guardian.jpg

SweD
07-28-2006, 06:50 PM
okey here I go ! this is a first attempt for the temple door. Gold, stones, and a light bump map.
hands to de before begin the rigging of the statues.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/door.jpg

GonzaloGolpe
07-28-2006, 06:56 PM
IŽll watch to your progress. Your work could become great!:thumbsup: Good luck!!

SweD
07-28-2006, 07:28 PM
here the placement and render in global environment :)

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip10.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip11.jpg

MPavel
07-29-2006, 06:08 PM
Wow, a lot of gr8 work, man! 3d matte - i wish i could do my matte 3d as well, but don`t have time for that now (

Don`t forget about deadline! :)

SweD
07-31-2006, 02:24 PM
thanx Mpavel :thumbsup: I don't forget the deadline is close ! It's why I've start in same time to work on the matte himself.
Some work on photos for the moment, to give an idea of the style I want. iIt's great to work in photoshop with tablet even if matte painting is not my specialty, so remember the cgtalk rules and be courteous and polite :scream:

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/matte-web.jpg

SweD
08-01-2006, 03:56 PM
wow guyz, you know what ? I've some difficulties to make a great matte painting !
I post you a work I've make this day, which is good for the tones, but not for the rest :banghead:
Deadline approaching...Omg..!

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/matte2.jpg

Kutkin
08-01-2006, 07:13 PM
It is looking really cool.

I like the one with the whales more.

Good luck in the challenge

SweD
08-02-2006, 01:03 AM
thanx kutkin, hope to find a good picture of whales to put in again :)
The first is to blury and has a too much grain.

here another lightning test, more detailled. I keep the dark blue color for deep underwater. I keep too anly the first plan into the light, based on the fact we see only some meters in deep undersee.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/wip13.jpg
tell me waht you think. :)

SweD
08-02-2006, 02:36 PM
another update ! try to add some dead vegets on the temple.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/matte3.jpg

Inlakechh
08-02-2006, 06:00 PM
Cyril I think that the lightbeams still look like multiplicated in photoshop. You need more variation in them. The green plants are mystically flying and you're hiding all the details you modeled before. I liked the previous version much more, although the depth between the temple and the city is not clear.

SweD
08-02-2006, 08:08 PM
thanx for your comment Marco.
I totally agree for the beams, no work on for the moment, just a directional blur.
Ok for the depth, must to work on too
But plants ? I find that this give a old underwater style, with a green dirty map on walls, I think this could be pretty cool (but I can make a mistake). However I take you comment and appreciate it, and keep it in mind with working in same time a non-plants version.

everlite
08-02-2006, 09:49 PM
Hey coming on really nice. A few points, the grass to the right looks a little large when compare in scale to the small buildings to the right and light rays look a little too linier, water often distorts light so rays would maybe expect to a little cris-crossy some light intence than the other, try doing each ray on a seperate layer and adjust each opacity to a different value, this would create a pleasing effect.

Keep it up.

- Dave.

SweD
08-02-2006, 10:18 PM
thanx alot for your comment everlite :thumbsup:
Agree again for the beams, and a layer by layer seems to be the only good solution.
Plants to the bottom right will be delete I think, to add some personnals plants in brushes or else, with same tones of the green plants on the temple, but not photos. :)

SweD
08-03-2006, 01:28 PM
Hi guyz,

Only 2 days before the deadline, and here another test of global rendering ! I'm near the end I think, find a great atmosphere in this one, time to add some details like fishes or else.
Tell me what you think about.

size : 1280x692, put two black lines at top and bottom to go to 1280x720 regular size.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/matte5web.jpg

GonzaloGolpe
08-03-2006, 02:17 PM
I think youŽd change the light cause it seems that weŽre in a great deep but thereŽs a great focus light from top,d you know what I mean?Go for it dude, and good luck again!:thumbsup:

everlite
08-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Coming on great, like the grass, though you seem to be struggling with the light a little, it appears as though you using a 100% motion blur to create the rays, not sure if this is the case but they still appear too linier, and the large ray in the center looks too big. Try taking the rays away and just using a few, picking out the highlight areas on the surface, ie take one and have it coming down above the city to the left corner. Try giving them a slight gaussian blur, pull down to around 70% opacity and stick blending to overlay or soft light.

Also add a few high lighted dust particles in the rays perhaps.

Take a look over mine, far from perfect but i think the rays came out quite well.
Keep it up, very nice structures.

- Dave.

SweD
08-03-2006, 08:30 PM
you're right everlite, it's a war between light and me :scream: I'm not used to make lights in photoshop, and this is a very good exercice for me even if I'm really not satisfy about the rays.
I think test with manually trace the rays of light over layer. Maybe as you said, add a layer with particles.
Thanks for the structures, and for your comments :)

everlite
08-03-2006, 10:20 PM
keep it up mate, i'm sure you'll get it working. To be honest i live by a saying if it don't work then don't do it, only a personal thought but if the rays don't work then they will only hider your final artwork, so it may be better to take them out.

take a look on this page:

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=light+rays&hl=en

some good light rays, notice how they never go in the same direction, for this to be the case the light source would have to be equal in size. This can be seen easily in some of the above.

hope that helps a little :-)

- Dave.

SweD
08-04-2006, 12:02 AM
oh man thanx everlite for this tips and link ! can be sure it will be used ! :thumbsup:

another test here with working more the background. Erase a little of the city, to keep the equality of the scale between temple and town.
I think temple is more integred in the background now. Stay always the work on details and light.
Wait your opinion between this one and the last one before.

http://membres.lycos.fr/idgraph/STOCK/atlantis/matte8web.jpg

everlite
08-04-2006, 08:29 AM
Hey looking great as always, though i liked the little city, shame :-) might have looked good having the city all the way upto the main wall.

I think it looks better with out the rays of light, but that's not to say it wouldn't work without them, give em another go and see if you can get them working. There were quite a few good references in the link above, just download one, convert to black & white, drag into your scene and click multiply in the blends, play with the contrast and opacity, then you that as a reference to paint over maybe?

Great work, one to be proud of :-)

- Dave.

SweD
08-04-2006, 02:12 PM
Thanx everlite for all this tips. Scale down the city was necessary to keep the good scale of temple and all composition.
So after test, problems, and joyces, here is my final entrie for the unofficial challenge ATLANTIS :


http://swedart.membres.jexiste.org/atlantis/matte.jpg

This was a great experience, to do again surely.
I would to thanx my mother, my father, and my manager :scream:
Seriously, thanx to all, for your tips, opinions and support during this challenge. I've learn lot of things by seeing your entries, and it was very interesting for me, to realise my first matte painting.
Good luck all for the next step ! and see you soon on others unofficials.

Inlakechh
08-04-2006, 11:08 PM
hi cyril, I see alot of improvement from your first steps. try to look for colorvalues and their relation ... integration of elements(the rock on the left ... fishes too dark). good luck.

SweD
08-07-2006, 01:50 AM
Thanx Marco, some improvement because lot of test and lot of learned things from start to end.
Hope to work on again in couple of days, to realise the Big Poseidon Statue i've can't do for time limit.
You're probably right for fishes, made to fastly for sure, terrified by the deadline :scream:
All feedbacks are of course apprecied.

MPavel
08-07-2006, 07:42 AM
Are you slill working on it? I thought the deadline is gone ) Or there was no deadline at all? :eek:

Very Impressive, btw!!! Keep up, man!

SweD
08-07-2006, 01:26 PM
hey Pavel I don't working on it, be sure...for the challenge :scream: Working on it for me, because I would like to do the Giant statue of poseidon, could be amasing for modeling.
here you see my final entry, and don't worry, no change at all.

Thanx man :D

MPavel
08-07-2006, 01:53 PM
:thumbsup:

hm.. i just imagine a Giant statue of poseidon - that would ROCK for sure! Pity you didn`t get it there :sad:

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