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turmite
07-03-2006, 02:25 PM
Hi guys,

This is a spin off of the linked thread below.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3678531#post3678531

I became interested in the Collab modeling thread when I thought it was going to address some of the areas in my own modeling. After making a suggestion some of the posters there ask that I start a new thread and submit my idea and model.

Here is a copy and paste of what I suggested:

"EquiNOX thanks for the invite. I have spent the last two hrs reading the surfacing thread and while it gives a lot of good info, and I can use most all of it, that is still not what I saw happening here, or at least not what I invisioned might happen. Let me see if I can explain. Let's say that you, Snecx and 5 other experienced modelers are ask to model, oh let's say a claw hammer. Each of you would model the hammer independely of each other and record how you modeled it and why you chose the particular tool you chose for modeling. Now all those different models, from different viewpoints and using different tools (maybe) would be posted. I could now look at the concept and the result from 5-7 different people's view point all on the same model. To me it seems the surfacing thread is fractured rather that flowing along on a theme. You even mentioned in one of your posts there that for nurbs modeling you needed to have a plan before you started the model as well as having an understanding of the G rating of curves and a surfaces. See....this is the concept part of the model. If those 5-7 or however many people modeled the same item it would be easy to see the concept used and why they chose it when you compared it to all the other's work."

I manufacture competition rifle stocks and target grips for pistols and many of them are very organic in form. I posted a pic of one of my rifle stock designs in the Collab thread but that is not what I wanted to submit for modeling. This is one half of a set of target grips that was modeled the wrong size......our first attempt at reverse engineering. I thought that since they were wrong, and would provide me with no personal or financial benefit, they would be the best to offer. It is a 3dm file, but please don't use what's there to model with. Use it only for reference and dimensions. This model was done from thousands of points in a point cloud.

Ok here's the guidelines.

No collaboration.
Use whatever tools or methods you think best
Record all your steps
When finished post your work

This is not a competition but a means to compare modeling techniques and strategies from several (I hope) different people's viewpoints. BTW, you can be a beginner and participate on this as well.

Mike

ps after several attempts with saving small, zipping and using rar the file is still too large to attach. So do you want a screen shot showing the item or can someone do a better job of compressing this thing?

CLONEOPS
07-04-2006, 10:05 AM
HI~have you tried saving the file without the render mesh present.
This would be under 'save as'....option/save small ... and/or... option/save geometry only.
Although generally speaking this will save you 3mb on a 8mb file for instance... you could post it as a torrent link...sorry how large is the file.

turmite
07-04-2006, 04:45 PM
CLONEOPS using the save as geometry function then with compression it is now down to 904kb, which I think is still too large to attach. I may have my webmaster do a download page at my site so I can have a place for things like this.

Thanks for the suggestion about the save as geometry. It reduced it a ton.

Mike

CLONEOPS
07-04-2006, 09:49 PM
CLONEOPS using the save as geometry function then with compression it is now down to 904kb, which I think is still too large to attach. I may have my webmaster do a download page at my site so I can have a place for things like this.

Thanks for the suggestion about the save as geometry. It reduced it a ton.

Mike

Why not just post a screenshot of your item..top/bot left/right + back front...6views.
or just email it out on request.
Also what type of measuring and matching system do you use for gunstocks when someone
asks for one made to fit..how do you go about that? ..clay/plaster? other,or are there templates available?

turmite
07-05-2006, 12:01 AM
CLONEOPS,

Here is a 4 panel view and I can add more if anyone want them.

Rifle stocks are much easier to fit than pistol grips. The length of pull on the rifle stock is most important with the comb height and cast on or off following right behind. The pistol grips are another matter. I offer the grips in 3 std sizes of small, medium and large and will be adding an extra large soon. The medium size will fit 80-90% of all those that buy these grips for competition. You will also find that though they may fit......most every shooter will modify the grip to their hand while holding the pistol. By a very little adjustment you can make the gun point to the right, left, up or down. I have found that most competitiors want to be able to pick the gun up, lift it and aquire a target picture and then lower the gun, close their eyes and lift the gun back to target level. When they open their eyes they want to have their eyes in alignment with the sights. This can all be done with a little filler here or there, or the removal of wood or other material as needed. I hope this helps you understand the process a little better.

Mike

PureBlizz
07-05-2006, 01:29 AM
Why cant you just upload the file??

Download.com takes files up to 300Mb with a d/l spead of 300 - 600 kbs.
absolutely free, no regestration, and there is a guide on it on the main rhino forum...

turmite
07-05-2006, 05:36 PM
Hey guys here are 5 different views in 2d. Maybe this will help get someone started.

Mike

Snecx
07-05-2006, 07:00 PM
While I have the blueprints, I do not really know how the real shape is gonna be like. Any reference pictures? Real photos perhaps? Few parts are confusing as I do not know what they suggest.

It is starting. :)

turmite
07-05-2006, 07:21 PM
Hello Snecx,

The only photos I have are on my site but they are not from all angles. I had hoped the 4 view screen shot would suffice for reference photos. I don't have any good sets in the shop either, so I can't photograph another set. If there is anything else that I can do.....let me know.

Mike

ps here's the web site shot http://www.turnercustoms.com/images/Handguns-3360.jpg
the little set that is standing up in the front.

tilite
07-07-2006, 12:16 PM
I never knew so much precision and ergonomics whent into crafting of a pistol grip :applause:

I checked out the blueprints... I read confussing plans everyday of my life and im struggling to work those out, lol.

Can you hit up a link to your sit or similar to get some more reference images on what these look like... I dont even know where to start atm :shrug:

turmite
07-07-2006, 02:29 PM
Hello tilite, and welcome to my world!:) The 2d wires and the screen shots plus the single photo from my site that I posted in my previous post is all I have. I can email you the 3dm directly that is made from a digitized point cloud......but it is pretty large even zipped.

All my products were created by hand and I am now moving to cnc production. Therefore no blueprints, models or anything.

My site address is www.turnercustoms.com (http://www.turnercustoms.com) and you can link my email directly there. If you want the 3dm let me know. Be sure to put CG prints in the subject line, or the email is likly to get dumped.

Mike

PureBlizz
07-07-2006, 04:26 PM
oh man, thats a cool line of work Mike =)

I once started a rifle stock, by hand. Used weeks and weeks, and broke it by accident =(
anyways, I know this things takes skill and patiens... more then 3d modeling atlest, no shortcuts... and nice designes too, =)

Do you sell only the stocks, or do you deal guns as well? Whould be so cool, to design my own stock, and have it made... Can you make stocks for any rifle?


I whould like to have a look at your 3dm. btw. can you send it to my mail??

( hit_my@hotmail.com )

turmite
07-07-2006, 10:54 PM
PureBlizz I only do the stocks. I tried the dealer thing once and didn't lkie that part of the business. The stocks let me play a bit with art and that is why I enjoy it so much. Trust me when I tell you that I can make a real stock much faster by hand than I can model it in 3d. Truth is though, I knew nothing of 3d when I started and tried to learn on my own. Bad mistake. I am now trying to change that and gain as much help as possible. In the past two years I have learned enough on Rhino that I hardly ever open my regular cad program anymore.

Your question about making stocks for any rifle.......no....and yes.:bounce: No because I only have a few modeled in 3d and I only make them via cnc now. Yes, because if you provide me with a good 3d model....I can make it.

Pick the model you want to make a stock for, model the rifle action, barrel etc, then model that special stock you want and contact me.

I sent the 3dm model to your email address.

Mike


oh man, thats a cool line of work Mike =)

I once started a rifle stock, by hand. Used weeks and weeks, and broke it by accident =(
anyways, I know this things takes skill and patiens... more then 3d modeling atlest, no shortcuts... and nice designes too, =)

Do you sell only the stocks, or do you deal guns as well? Whould be so cool, to design my own stock, and have it made... Can you make stocks for any rifle?


I whould like to have a look at your 3dm. btw. can you send it to my mail??

( hit_my@hotmail.com )

PureBlizz
07-08-2006, 01:31 PM
thanks man =) Thats more work then I have time for now, but that whould be great! to have a custom m24 for examle :P Ill keep it in mind... thanks for the 3dm btw, Ill have a look!

Jeet
07-12-2006, 07:57 PM
Guys,

I dont know much about what actually going on in this thread.. :)

I did a pistol modeling job few months back...

I have attached the rhino rendering... Definately this is done with a lot of surface patches.. and i doubt includes all surfacing techniques.. ha ha ha

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8793/pistol043ii.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pistol043ii.jpg)

Regards

JEet

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