Gods & Demons - Character - Mike RB

[Mike RB]

oops, i forgot to mention. He's a big fat heap of skin tossed on a bone structure. You're seeing his skeleton underneath poking out and tearing through the skin at the joints...

Mike

[lildragon]

eeeeeewwwww heheh, good one :D
now that's a challenge in itself :wip:

a su salud :beer:

[Facial Deluxe]

OOOOOOOOOOOh yeah !:cool:

[DarkSy]

Wow, fat but bone-y (how to spell how to spell). Any way, very neat idea... can't wait to see the model!....:eek:

[cerreto]

haha your character has character already love the dexcription !

[rendermonkey23]

You have to find the time to model this guy. It'll be awsome.

I like your description of him too. hehe :bounce:

[Sangotten]

Great concept and design!!!
I dying to see some updates!!
Nice liitle detail, that medalion around his neck!

[Pancreas]

wow, the bones ripping the skin! Great! I can´t help thinking on The Butcher of Diablo I, with a huge cleaver..

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_001.jpg

http://www.3dluvr.com/blackbourn/web/gd_0003.avi
14meg divx
(ill reduce the size and edit them better at the end, but im going to post them as i go)

Mike

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_002.jpg

a bit more work done, mainly detailing the 'pecs' and the hips. I recorded it as well but wont post that part until the end, it took a while and is pretty long and boring (never mind a rather large filesize).

It took me a while to figure out the loops on the hips so that ill be able to detail the rolls on his things easily.

Mike

[Joel Hooks]

modeling fatties is not so easy as it would seem, eh? :grin:

So many subtle undulating rolls of flesh to contend with..

It looks like you have it handled well though!

[Mike RB]

Thanks. Its actually quite a fun challenge to get all the edge's lining up in preperation of the rolls.....

LW modeler always amazes me with how transparent it feels to work in. I just push polys around. Makes it feel almost easy.....

Mike

[Martin-K-]

watched your video. good stuff :) it looked as if you were having a hard time thinking of how you were going to setup the waist.
and about the transparent thing in lw. feel the same way about mirai :) mm....me join in too. but im still thinking what ill end up making. keep it up man. i havent seen new things from ya in a while now. looking forward to it.

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_003.jpg

I'm having a lot of fun with this. Yeah, it took me a while to sort out the waist. I still need to clean a lot of the lines.... but its coming along.

Mike

[Joel Hooks]

oh neat. i didn't even notice your timelapse. Thanks for that.

Your fatty is looking excellent! I am totally exhausted from staying up to late last night, but I think I will have to work on the stomach and man-bosom a bit. You got me motivated :wip:

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_004.jpg

you cant neglect the man-bosom. :)

Started on the butt......

[clifford]

I took a look at the making-of video ...
Wanted to say how cool it is to see such "how to" movies .. thanks a lot :D

Now .. the question :

What is the tool you're using to split polygons, the tool which display little percentages in green ?? is it the Edgetool plugin ?
It really looks like a simple and useful tool ...

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_005.jpg

Yes its the DStorm edgetool.p. I use the edgetool plugin a lot, its great.

Quick update. I have the head roughed out, minus the skeletal face/teeth...

[Threedeemer]

Your character is turning out really nice, The proportion of his head to the body truly works.

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_006.jpg

thanks. Heres a pic of the roughed out head. I'm going to get the entire body up to this level before i add detail.

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_007.jpg

decent update. I have the arms and legs roughed out to go along with the body.... Its kind of weird using this edgetool plugin, Im much more prone to just cutting edges wherever I want. Which is a good thing (as I can put them where I need). But I tend to make a lot more 3, 5, and 6 sided polys. I'll be cleaning the mesh for a while to get it back to mainly quads....

[rendermonkey23]

Yeah!, I like where your going with this.

I know you just updated this but I want another :p

[Mike RB]

I need to put him away for a little bit and get some 'real' work done. :) Its fun to model 'detail in'. Most LW tutorials out there start modeling people from a nipple or an eye or somthing.... It's much easier to make sure the proportions are how you want them if you block everything out 1st and then cut the detail in. Which is what im trying to do with this model.

I've learned a lot from watching Mirai users.... Modeling like this is almost like sculpting clay rather than the 'operating room' feel of hooking eye patches to mouths and extending skin....

[cerreto]

looking just like the concept sketch man nice work !

[rendermonkey23]

oh yeah, you definitely have to block your character first. Just think about drawing a character... you start with a loose gesture and gradually work detail in from there.

[Mike RB]

Thanks man. I'm trying not to throw my drawing in one of the viewports and 'trace' it. (i did for a little while to get the face details the right proportions, i had the eyes set way to wide and it didnt look right).

I find that unless I draw 3 images (top, right, front) i tend to 'trace' it in one viewport and ignore the other views a little too much. The model ends up looking a little flat. So im using the art as a reference only so that ill also concentrate on the other views/areas of the model. I'm getting pretty happy with how the back is turning out and im not sure if hed be as well rounded if I had dumped the art into a viewport and copied it exactly....

[rendermonkey23]

Originally posted by lowdown
I am totally exhausted from staying up to late last night, but I think I will have to work on the stomach and man-bosom a bit. You got me motivated :wip:

Man-bosom? DONT....even want to know :)

[Mike RB]

rendermonkey: That makes complete sense, yet a lot of people start with tiny tiny details before they have a look at the whole picture.....

Props i can understand, the wristwatch on the characters wrist probably wont change much and you can engrave the 'water resistant to 50m' on the back of it right at the start and probably be fine.

But I cant imagine totally readjusting the proportions and volume of a character that the tear duct was the 1st thing that was modeled... You would be less likely to tweak the whole shape because of all that painstaking detail.

[Mike RB]

before I add anything else I'm curious about what people think of the proportions. The idea is that hes so baggy that the skin hangs down over the hands a bit like long sleeves. About half his hands will be covered. Similar idea on the feet.... I'm also thinking about hanging a loose tongue down from behind the exposed upperjaw...

[rendermonkey23]

well, I love the baggy skin idea (gonna be tough though). I really like the proportions because it fits the style your goin for. Love the horns. Style :) I like the little head. Not to sure about the tounge idea (ewwwww :) ). Ummm.... looks good. Just go :)

[urgaffel]

It's looking great! And I like the concept, it's a lot more original than the standard fare "SuperMuscledÜberDemonOverLordWithWingsAndShit" :)

Btw, won't it be a little tricky to skin it later? With the arms being so close to the stomach I mean...

If you animate him/her/it, you HAVE to have some kind of flex on the folds. Just imagine that lump of lard and skin wobbling around... That would be so cool/horrible http://www.cgtalk.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Please, for the love of gods and demigods and demons and all the rest, finish the modeling, texture it and animate it!

[Mike RB]

It shouldnt be a problem to skin it. I'll make sure I show how I do it. :)

I am trying to think of different ways to do the fat jiggle... ill do some tests...

[Facial Deluxe]

Absolutely wonderfull !
Can't wait to see it finished and rigged. Will you apply some kind of "inertia" or "lazy point" to make the flesh jiggle ?

[Martin-K-]

its fairly simple to setup the arms like that. just define the points for the stomach area...and hide those polys...so you only see the bones and arms...and apply the arm polys to the arm bones.....then you hide the arms and apply the stomach polys to the body bones.

or you could also always just rotate the bones so you get the bubblegum effect, and then manually reassign the verticies to their proper bones. and they should just snap right back into place.

and initialize the skeleton into its bind pose or something.

there are so many ways of going about this.

[Adam Klein]

Hey Mike, I remember hearing of a plug on Flay called Flabby, I haven't even touched it, but it came to mind just now, it does jiggly deforms I believe
btw
lookin great, very cool design

Adam K.

[Mike RB]

I just did some tests. It's going to be motion designer... that sucker rules!!!! i just select the flabbiest parts and assign a seperate surface, plug it into MD and bam! Instant fat.

Mike

[Nazgul]

Hey I definetly love your character Mike. Wish you good luck for the contest. Here's a link to a friend's page. He made this huge black mama on the beach and he textured her too.

BEWARE::
http://www.finalgathering.com/stills/char/booty/booty.html


later! :thumbsup:

[rendermonkey23]

hey fella's, has ya girlfriend got the butt (hell yeah!!)
so shake it..... shake it.... shake that health butt.....baby got back!!!

Sorry :D

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_008.jpg

quick update. I polished the back and rear a bit, added geometry to the gut, got the hanging skin on the elbows sorted out, and defines the wrinkles in the legs better....

Nazgul: I'm not entirely sure if I should thank you for that link... ugh. Its a big butt in that image, but im not shooting for somthing quite as perky.... demon man is saggin'

[Julez4001]

I look on your sculpting tab and saw that you had cutleft and cutright, never heard of this before, what is it.

Are you mirroring using a plugin, seems like u r not using lw's built mirror function?

[hiko_]

the design is terrific ... and the meshe to :)

(excuse my english)

[Mike RB]

Hiko: Thanks a lot, your banshee is looking really really good as well...

Julez: They are scripts that draw a volume box on either side of the z axis and deletes the contents.... just a slightly faster way to remove half the model.

I'm rendering a quick GI test (because i know you guys love 'um) ill post it when its done.

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_009.jpg

Quick GI test to check out the wrinkling.... I like it!

Mike

[CHRiTTeR]

Momyyyyyy, I'm melting, ..., i'm, i'm, i'm .... mel...ting........

[Mike RB]

200k divx4.12 flab test
http://www.3dluvr.com/blackbourn/web/flab.avi

I created that just to make sure the method i want to use will work. I think it will look great with a fully animated version...

[Joel Hooks]

nice.

Max's solution is not so graceful. i am going to have to use the flex modifier to creat a sort of psuedo-soft bodies. We have reactor here at the office, but it tends to confuse me :)

"see it wiggle, see it jiggle"

heh

:thumbsup:

[uxus]

hy there! tell me what method do you use for that jiggle? and what program?
p.s.
looks realy great!

[Batmanuel]

I really dig this character so far!! He's got so much....everything:)

Keep goin....

[Mike RB]

I used the softbody system that is included with Lightwave.... Motion Designer... it was really easy too, i just selected the surface area I wanted to be soft and hooked it up to Motion designer. It automatically smoothes between the hard and soft parts...

Mike

[rendermonkey23]

Nice...

Could you post a quick timelapse vid of the jiggle process?

[Mike RB]

I didnt capture the jiggle setup. But it was pretty simple. Want me to break it down?

Mike

[cerreto]

great stuff so far ! keep it up :>

[rendermonkey23]

Originally posted by Mike RB
I didnt capture the jiggle setup. But it was pretty simple. Want me to break it down?

Mike

Well, I'd like to see it in action. It's all good though. I dont use lightwave so you dont have to break it down unless you want to :)

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_010.jpg

started on the bone structure.....

Ill make a quick demo of the Motion Designer process later today in case anyone is interested...

[Facial Deluxe]

Excellent, excellent ! Seen the Md thing on LW forum, works really cool !
If someday you decide to make a tut, I'll be very interested. Never tryed MD yet.

Keep it up !

[Mike RB]

I made a quick demo of how motion designer is used... (for the soft body stuff).

http://www.3dluvr.com/blackbourn/web/mdball.avi
timelapse 4mb divx

http://www.3dluvr.com/blackbourn/web/mdball_render.avi
final result 170k divx

[rendermonkey23]

Right on. :)

[urgaffel]

Just a quickie to max users: if you want to do flabby stuff, use mesh select with soft selection turned on together with flex.

Mesh Select -> select vertices, turn on soft selection, adjust the values to your liking -> apply flex and tweak to get suitably flabby effects. (It updates in real time too)

Sorry about that Mike, I'll go back to lurking now :)

(Really really looking forward to the finished ver of this creature. It's mah favorite so far :)

[SirManfred]

Mike: In case you haven't noticed, your model is great! And i love the floppy stuff... reminds me of someone i see in the mirror every morning...

Urgaffel: Thank you very much for showing that max is still useful! ;) I have always wanted to know how to do floppy stuff in max like that... :D (Jävla schysst hörrö)

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_011.jpg

Thanks guys, I'm glad you like the flabby test. :)

Heres the start to his bony feet.

[Wraith]

Hehehe, He wont finnish any marathons in a hurry but I like the look of him :)

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[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_012.jpg

He might have a better time with those marathons now that he at least has toes. :)

Time for some hands.....

I'm going to see if i can continue the chubby/bony look for the hands....

[urgaffel]

Only one crit: now that I look at the upper jaw, it looks a little long. I know, it's a demon and all, but I can't help but trace the uppar jaw into an imaginary head, and that head is a lot bigger than the one you've got now. Maybe scale it down a little?

I want ribs poking out, and gore... and blood... and fatty folds :)

gimmeee...

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_013.jpg

Hands roughed out......

I agree, his upperjaw looks pretty long. But Ill wait until im done detailing the head and see how it all fits together....

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_014.jpg

Cleaned up the top of the chest and refined the wrinkles a little...

[Facial Deluxe]

Dear Mike, saver of my life, Thank you thank you thank you. Your video is the clearest lesson I've ever seen. It opens great perspective to me .
Sorry to be short, I'm still looking at it .

BTW, I love the mix of bones and fat flesh, that's a super idea.

Keep it up.

Big cheers,

Facial.

[pearson]

Wow! Nice job with all those fat wrinkles! I've done that before (to a lesser degree) on a character, and it is a lot harder than it looks! :grin:

I really like his face/head, too! :thumbsup:

[Mike RB]

keep in mind I had the jiggly preset already worked out and saved to my HD, it took a while to tweak the settings to get the effect i wanted.... Lemme know if you want it.

Glad you like the fat/bones thing... Should look pretty cool in the end.

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/gi.jpg

Pearson: Thanks, getting the flow of polys right at the start was a big time saver.....

Now I need to clean up the arms and lower legs... and get the shoulder and hip bones poking through....

[cerreto]

hey thats a very cool render characters looking dead on to your origional sketch nice work !

[Totitch]

Wooooooooooh Yes!!!!

What a big fat ugly Demon!!!
Very nice stuff! And What a good global Shape!
(It remind me Sumo...)
Very original Character.i like it!
i haven't got any critic to do! i search, i search.....:rolleyes: :confused:

no...it's perfect!!! :p

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_015.jpg

I was playing around with baked radiosity and vertex maps... wow, its pretty cool to have a radiosity shaded character in modeler in real-time. Neat.... makes rendering him super fast too...

Thanks guys... I hope to get more done on him tommorow evening....

[Jhonus]

wow, that looks awesome. i love that head.

the flab around the knees look a little unnatural. also looks like he's missing a knee cap (patella).

but overall its mightly impressive in design and execution.

[hobbes]

woooow beautiful model!!
i love the wrinkles and all this stuff!
his face his great too.

well done :)

[Facial Deluxe]

Hello again Mike,

Mmmh, I see on your interface a "cut left" "cut right", button.
Which is cut -x/+x isn't it ? Where can I find this marvel ?

Did you bake radiosity just pressing the button, or did you made a very precise-perfect UV map before ?

Perfect work...

[Eugeny]

Nice proportions, but it looks like failing beckward... Keep it up:scream:

[Wraith]

That is comming on really well now, I like it... Nice to see ya used lightwave to create it n not that 'virus' known as MAX muahahahaha :)

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[Mike RB]

facial: drop me an email, ill give you my icq or messenger nickname. mblackbourn@yahoo.com

Yes, its a baked vertex map, there are no UV's involved. Its doing per vertex shading like old video games did, except that his cage is hirez enough that it looks super smooth.... You can also blend this shading with normal texture maps...

heres a tutorial from Newtek on the subject:
http://www.lightwave3d.com/tutorials/rendering/lw_baker_beethoven/lw_baker_beethoven.html

also, i thought I'd share my fancy new interface colors... :) nice soothing low contrast grey... ahh.....
http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/interface_3.jpg

I still havent refined his knees or elbows... those are on the list. :)

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_016.jpg

worked on his eyes a bit..

[Poju]

Wow That is really cool fatty!! (Me) like me ;)

Keep it up

[goodlag]

:thumbsup: really great

[AnimBot]

Yea it's looking really great fantastic concept for this challenge. Wraith what's up with the max bashing?
:wip:
max?

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_017.jpg
fixed up the arms and added the elbows... knees and lower legs are next.

Glad you guys like him...

I don't have much expirence with max myself, but the few times i have used it, i found that the workflow for modeling dosent appeal to me. I think most Lightwave users feel the same. I guess LW modeler really grows on you. :)

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_018.jpg
shoulder joint's built and poking through...

[Martin-K-]

very cool :) luv the shoulders man : ) you going to add a little spike or something comming out of the shoulders too ?

[OZ]

HAW!!! Your character is one of the most original and good modeled that i have ever seen!!!!JAWDROPPING WORK !!:eek:

[epatnor]

I think that this dude's GOTTA stay off the beer for a while man... PLEASE animate him on a stairmaster!!! Wobbling flesh, wobble wobble... :D

[CIM]

Looks great. Are you going to post any more videos of you modeling this guy?

[Joebount]

I love it !!!!

I wanna see big tits !!!! ah ah ah ah !!!!! :scream: :scream: :scream:

[Angel3D]

really good ! I like the face, it remind me dungeon keeper's minions (U know the Bile Deamon). But this one is really cool with its skull (who wants a kiss ? ) :D

Why don't you uncovers the skeleton more (on the arms, legs...) ?

[[msf]]

quick question how do you get smoothing to work so well when you have 3 and five sided polygons?

do tell please because I always end up with the good ole blank spaces and a message saying lightwave cant smooth them.

this is of course assuming you smooth by hitting tab and using the tab nurbs things.

thanks man

[Mike RB]

Thanks again guys

Cim: I've actually recorded the entire process, the files are just a little huge right now, in the end ill put them back to back and edit them a little and post the entire thing.

Angel3d: I'll see how the whole thing looks once i get the knees and hips in there...

[Mike RB]

MSF: actually i have my alert level set to expert, so it smooths everything and makes the holes around the 5 sided but dosent tell me or bug me about it. As i've been going ive been cleaning all the 5 sided into 3 and 4 sided, there are almost non left, and by the time in done there wont be any. For the GI test ones I just quickly tripled all >4 sided

Mike

[[msf]]

ah cool thanks.

heh learning alot more about lightwave with this thread. I went and even grabbed the edgetool plugin. Even though the documentation is all wacked out for some reason I am sure it will save me lots of time.

Suprised noone has said this but your model is giving me Doom 2 flashbacks :)

[Mike RB]

Glad people are learning, ive been getting quite a few messages and emails about some of the methods I've been using.

That edgetool plug is indispensible.

I havent updated becasue of a project I need to get done. But hopefully I'll be able to get back to him soon.

Mike

[skunk184]

looking good Mike ....hope you get to finish him!!!!

Craig

[DirtROBOT]

I work with Mike, and as I plan on entering the competition (time permitting, the co has a big secret project coming up!) I will have to break his hands (and feet, in case he tries for that disabled artist angle ;) ) in order to win :D


Looking good! I gotta check out that avi...

-Dana

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_019.jpg
quick update. And theres no way lil' Dirtrobot could break my wrists.... but i might be busy with the sercet project.... so well see...

Mike

[Facial Deluxe]

'Lo Mike,

I see it's going well !

Did you receive my mail ?

[parallax]

damn nice.

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_020.jpg

finally fixed up the knees and hips.

FD: I'll check to see if I got that email.

[hiko_]

beautiful model and design ... good work you have my vote :)
one critiks the navel is strange.

[Martin-K-]

ya gots my voot too :) kickass model. but it would be nice if the screenie would be a bit bigger.

kinda hard to see whats up in the detail that you gave him :/

[Mike RB]

hiko: thanks, theres still lots of little things i need to fix.

martin: here yah go

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_021.jpg

[Martin-K-]

much buttah :)

[chi]

im with martin thats freaky cool, yoos got my vote

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_022.jpg
I'm starting his various decorations now... thats the start to the medallion thingy around his neck.

[erwinriau]

WAiiioooh Mr Mike, thats a nice modeling skill you've perform there, and innovative design too...
(from my open minded thought), I cant wait till you reach the rigging part, I am currently rigging a single skin character and am having problems with deformation, I hope your's go well, so maybe you can help me out a bit with some tutorials or two :)

keep the good mood flow :)

ps: I am using lw too, and i ve tried the weightmap

[AnimaLMotheR]

Really cool demon Mike. It reminds me of one of the Chaos demons/gods from the Warhammer table top war games. :):thumbsup:

[Mike RB]

http://www3.telus.net/paratrooper/GDchallenge_mike_024.jpg

Thanks guys. Hopefully I'll have time for the chain and piercings before the challenge is up. :) I already have a basic rig working (no fingers)... Deforms fine.

Mike

[urgaffel]

One crit: the thumbs postiton looks funny. Other than that, kick ass!

[prototyp3]

Really nice character. The bone structure isn't easily identified when solid shaded. This model will look even better when textured. (even though that's beyond the scope of this contest)

And thanks for bringing to our/my attention Edgetools. I'm a character modeler who was without this speed increasing plugin.

Keep it up.

[Mike RB]

yah, its a sweet plug. Glad you like the model. Unfortunately I don't know how much more ill be able to do on him...

Mike

[Joel Hooks]

:(

That sucks. Hopefully you will be able to finish, otherwise it's a great model up to this point.

[Facial Deluxe]

Yeah, truely a cool model. Will we see him moving a bit ?

[jose]

this has prolly been said a thousand time already but..The model is totally flawless and the design is so cool!!

how you rigging going, prolly i find the belly area to be the hard part when animating big characters?

great work man! :)

[DrAdamDinosaur]

Hey Mike, I was wondering if we were going to get an update soon? Looking forward to seeing the finished character and all the extras you have done to him, both accessories and the weighting stuff. Hope the "secret project" doesn't have you to tied up.

[leigh]

LOL this model is BRILLIANT!!!! Looks like a demonic Shrek heheheheheh....

Actually, I'm absolutely positive that this is one of history teachers from high school!!!!!! We used to put a glass of water on the desk and watch for the shaking water like in Jurassic Park!

Cool work :D

[Array]

your concept reminds me a lot of the greater deamon or nurgle from warhammer/40k tho.

[DrAdamDinosaur]

I don't know array, yes there both fat, but that war hammer is pretty little compared to this guy. Could be his little brother.

[Array]

bah, i wish i could find a bigger picture, or one that is to scale. the greater deamon of nurgle is supposed to stand at least 10' tall.

[Array]

http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c890228chaosunclean.jpg

[Array]

http://dakka.safeshopper.com/images/b10xi163.jpg

[natski]

Great work Mike,

I'm downloading the MD vid now. I'm still coming to terms with LW in general after a few years with other packages and it's work like yours that inspires.

As far as similarities to the warhammer thing...well, they're both demons but yours has got way more style.

Keep it up.

[sarfarazsoomro]

hey mike ..thsi is splenidid....congrats and go on:)

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