Oh my god, bhodinut closed :|

[Per-Anders]

this is so sad news :(, BhodiNUT was one of (if not the main) reason for coming to cinema 4d in the first place, their products made it so good and useable.

i have to admit that, it wasn't entirely unexpected. but none the less in my oppinion it's really really bad news for us c4d users. and even worse news for us mac users (there are a few other serious plugin developers for c4d, but they're porting stuff accross PC only at least at first...). oh well.

:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :annoyed:

[That Adrian Guy]

we now pause for a moment of silence...

What are they going to do now that bhodinut's gone?

[DaliFan]

I never got heavy into the shaders and the other plugins yet

so I ask this in honest curious fashion

what was so great about Jenna and bhodinut plugs?

[Per-Anders]

power and stability.

jenna did amazing things non shader wise repeating distorting geometry, the stuff that bhodinut made was made for artists, not for programmers, they thought out their interfaces, and they made sure that their stuff worked and was totally stable

they wanted to produce stuff that studios would use, and they did, stuff you could rely on. nikl was used in several films for instance.

SLA makes it possible to produce good textures in Cinema, without good textures it doesn't matter how good the render engine is, you'll never see anything to prove it. they did this for version 5 of cinema, and v5's render engine sucked, but they got good results out of it. the inbuilt shaders for cinema suck, sla doesn't.

bhodinut did what they do well. their background was in film, they were one of the very few professional plugin developers for cinema, they were also one of the larger independent developers. it's very sad news that they've quit.

[DaliFan]

thanks mdme

[dmthurman]

Geez I got Cinema because of SLA and it's rendering capabilities, this is a sad day, it was wonderful how they supported SLA even after they sold it to Maxon. I do hope someone manages to archive all the forum posts. I go back to it just to review.

Hmmm We need a new SLA Forum...:D

[AdamT]

This is a major bummer. :annoyed: :thumbsdow :hmm: I've had the feeling they were on the verge of quitting for a while.

[LukasS]

I wonder what costs are we talking about. The internet community as i remember saved one project by buying the license and making it GNU.

I would like to see that C4D users get together and do smth to save it. I liked bhodiNUT very much.

And MAXON what says about it?

[Mike Hooma]

moment of silence... I always felt maxon should hire those guys! that was at least 30% of my reason for choosing cinema.

[kiwi]

Man that sucks :annoyed:




I hope Maxon have some sort of plan sorted because if they dont there will be a large swing to LW I think.




Stu.

[LukasS]

I would say this is good moment for marketing moves to improve C4D image and joining bhodiNUT to the Cinema 4D forever.

[Claudio72]

The only reason I've choosed Cinema 4d against MAX was SLA.

It seems SLA is now Maxon inside and I hope they doesn't stop developing it.

I'm really sad and this is my first internet-mourning.

anyway I've got an empty-field email with my new r8 jenna license

[kiwi]

Claudio if you mean you mail from Bhodi confirming your new V8 reg numbers,then I think I saw that Maxon are handling Jenna and not Bhodi for new reg nummbers,think there was a page link as well for more info {at Bhodinut}



Even though its makes me really sad Bhodi has closed I still wish Darf all the best :thumbsup:



Stu.

[Claudio72]

No, I've got a mail from BN regarding my new jenna serial, but it's empty, I think it's a bug in the auto email.

[Claudio72]

I'm wondering why they also closed the forum................that's really strange

[LukasS]

Well i can host a new forum if there is need to.
Or import old one and continue with it

[derwolpertinger]

damn, just have to agree all people here! that suxx hard!! :( i just did not want to trust my eyes while reading that email....SLA just rocks, as the other BN plugs do! hopefully maxon will update sla at some time(although i don't think they will, but the hope will never die :D).

lukass: that would be cool, there is a lot of useful stuff in there.

[kiwi]

Maxon will have to keep on working on SLA and new plugins or I can see there market share going bye bye.



Stu.

[LukasS]

If someone has ideas or suggestions about reactivating bhodi forum feel free to mail me.

by the end of the week if i get enough response i'll do everything to make it work but i need your interest and support!

:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

this url is empty : http://cgmadness.pl/bhodinut/

[Srek]

Hi all,
to prevent unneccesary turmoil i thought i chim in to say that SLA will of course be developed further by Maxon.
Right now we are working on completely integrating them in R8. This may take some time though since SLA is no piece of cake programming vise.
Regards
Srek

[kiwi]

Thank you for not just leaving us in the dark Srek :)

[lllab]

i agree totally with all of you, this is a drama:-/

i bought cinema because of jenna and sla too in the first place.


i hope maxon will continue some code of jenna, maybe they can buy it from bhodinut???

would they(bn) sell it?

we we should make an online petition, maybe we can show maxon how imortant it would be to continue some things bhodinut started...?

to bhodinut: i hope you guys will fin some interesting tings to do in the future, thanks for your great plugins and shaders!!!!

it is very sad indeed...

lllab

[brammelo]

I fear I can only add to the sadness around here. Like so many of us, I got interested in C4D because of SLA and the other plugings. SLA lifted C4D to a professional level - still does, B.T.W..

It's a good thing that Maxon will keep on developing things. It's not so good to see professional people with an artist's eye dissapear from the scene. I really hope this will not affect the intuitive way in which shaders work.

The BhodiNUT forum wasn't the most crowded, but it was high quality. LukasS, I'm with you for the reactivation of the forum.

And to Darf and the others: it's sad to see you part. I would love to see you guys being integrated in Maxon, but my guess is this would be a difficult process.

Bart.

[verti]

whatta!? damn ;((((( that really sucks!!!

i wonder what has happend...

bummer... now i wont have the best mood for the rest of the day...

kill me...

v.

[neilyb]

This is indeed a sad day for the boys at BN....so saddened was I at the email that I even came back here for a few moments (sorry, haven't been around much lately!) to pay my respects!

This is a blow to Cinema and I hope BN can find new challenges elsewhere!! SLA wasn't my only reason for chosing cinema, but it swayed me away from LW.......:(((

[mwa]

First of all this is so sad!
Next Lukas: if you have a chance to get hold of the old forum or a base of the old posts so please do it. It's make even sader that all that amazing information on SLA and the rest of the plug-ins is just gone. You'll probarbly get alot of help from alot of people here, to preserve this forum.
--Magnus--

[LukasS]

Well i can't replicate the posts or threads cause i have no forum archive i don't even remember on what script it ran :(.

But thx Srek to give us some happy news about SLA.
What about JENNA and others?

[Claudio72]

Lukas, if you can get the old thread it's nice, but, if you can't it's not so interesting.

Btw they ran php board, I don't remember which version.

I'm in also to sign a petition........

[creart]

Yes, dark days indeed!!

especially SLA has been a MAJOR improvement for Cinema, and always makes one search for THE best procedural texture.
I never really tried the other plugins really, although I was just about to buy Praline for the fog, which also seems to be so much better than the standard Maxon one.

LukasS, YES, a forum would be most welcomed - I've had nothing to add to it, but the forum was a great learning tool.....

All we can hope for, is that Maxon can come to an understanding with 'the late Bhodinut' to get the other plugs and keep on supporting and selling those..

Srek, I hope you can pass all of this on....

Guys from Bhodinut... best of luck!!!!!!

[Erik Heyninck]

Me too is feel this as a blow. I However: I hope Bhodi or his companion will visit this forum, and read this thread.
Although Jenna will be crippled in C8, and I had hopes for an updated version, I still want to thank Bhodinut for their creativity and humour. I hope they will find a creative outlet for their talents soon. Yet, if I have to choose between C8 without, and C7 with PPandJ, I choose for C8, and without hesitation. It is not because I, and many with me lost the money we invested in PPandJ that C8 now suddenly becomes crippled or less good. Maxon will come up with a solution.

But practically speaking, we're stuck right now. We can open C7 in C8, but the plugins will be missing (or partly disfunctional), and we can't use the new stuff from 8 and open in 7. I'm not really happy with this.

Pfff...I'm sad, and a bit angry...going to their site and generating the keys and downloading one last time...just feel like someone died...

It would be great if Maxon could buy Praline, Penny and Jenna, (and evt the basic ideas of Velma etc )and develop them further for C8. Because Bhodinut always came up with innovative and creative ideas. And, without wanting to minimise the work of other plugin makers: Bhodinut was something special.

[DeathCarrot]

owch... its painful to see them go away, i hope the guys get hired by maxon for something, sla was incredible, and jenna looked amazing, i loved the demo, but never got to buying it, i just hope they implement it into a future release or something. bhodinut gave cinema the features to compete with much higher level more expensive packages. im really sad for them to go down like this.. :annoyed:

[medula]

UGh! I'm in disbelief as well. The email was the real shocker. Then to see the forum "POOF" gone? What's up with that?

I too bought Cinema because of the BhodiNUT plug-ins. Yes back when version 6 was just getting hot, SLA (Smells Like Almonds - the procedural shaders) was not part of Cinema 4D. It wasn't until version 7.3 (a free update!) that Maxon bought the SLA shaders from BhodiNUT and integrated them into the package. So the means SLA is safe.

I'm a big JENNA user and I was on the edge of getting the rest of the plug-ins when the update came out for v.8. I'm freaked JENNA will not work to it's fullest potential under v.8. This tool is one-of-a-kind and truly under appreciated. Nothing exists like it

As for the petition, I'm all for it. Where do I sign?

[Erik Heyninck]

To keep a company going, you have to sell, and perhaps they could never repeat the (financial) success of Smell Like Allmonds?
Many other plugin makers say that the Maxon support is very good, and that the new SDK is fine to work with. So I think it's unfair to make Maxon the culprit. Things like this just happen, and I'm shure that a solution will be found.

Let's first try out what does not work and what does. Why not start a new thread on this?

[medula]

I hear ya. I don't think most people here see Maxon as the culprit. If the forums at BhodhiNUT were still up, you would see that the BhodiNUT people had a somewhat fuzzy opinion of Maxon. This all seem to come rather swiftly and strangely from what I could tell. Was it justified? That's not for us to decide.

But one thing is for sure.

The users feel it. We feel left in the cold. We want Maxon or $omeone to come to the rescue those plug-ins. This really hurts those of us who use Macs, since a lot of plug-ins work in windows only.

Long Live BhodiNUT.

[marcom]

grmmmblff..... :(

[medula]

Here is some more insight for those of you who would like it: http://www.creativecow.net/forum/ (http://www.creativecow.net/forum/read_post.php?postid=104260243734714&forumid=19)

[rgwarren]

I dunno. The v8 SDK was finished.

The LEAST they could have done was update JENNA to v8 and then left for greener pastures. Instead I'm left with a buggy plug-in which isn't of any use to me.

I'm sure bhodinut is/was a great company. However, I'm out the money for the plug-in and have the added insult of a buggy plug-in.

Thanks for NOTHING! Because that's what I paid for.

[Per-Anders]

well you did go against their advice, as they recommend that poeple not buy JENNA till they updated it for v8 this was posted on their site quite clearly.

as for the SDK being complete... bwahahaha.. you spent some time looking at what's been released yet?

believe me, if BhodiNUT had been able to complete these products they would have done. unfortunately they just ran out of money it would seem... this is why the forums aren't there, if i was in a positon of starve or get another job, i think i'd go for the get another job . Whatever they've chosen to do, i wish them good luck with it.

[AdamT]

The last I recall hearing on Bhodinut's forum, Darf thought that Jenna couldn't be ported under the current SDK, or at any rate that he would have to start the port over from scratch due to SDK issues that cropped up. Darf always had a dim view of Maxon's SDK.

[rgwarren]

Originally posted by mdme_sadie
well you did go against their advice, as they recommend that poeple not buy JENNA till they updated it for v8 this was posted on their site quite clearly.


Actually I owned it before v8 was announced. Got just enough time to really start using it for my projects. Great plug-in.

In my own experience I've found most SDK's to be rather poor.

[squidinc]

Originally posted by Srek
Hi all,
to prevent unneccesary turmoil i thought i chim in to say that SLA will of course be developed further by Maxon.
Right now we are working on completely integrating them in R8. This may take some time though since SLA is no piece of cake programming vise.
Regards
Srek

I started to panic a little when I first saw the thread :surprised

glad to see SLA won't be lost after V8, srek :thumbsup:

[flingster]

A VERY SAD DAY INDEED.......

IMHO bhodinut were one of the best things that happened to cinema.........they were VERY creative in a creative medium. Their plugins raised the bar as far as i'm concerned. Plugins like SLA and Jenna don't just come along overnight....they are out of the box......one offs that the rest of the pack copy.

therefore i'm gutted they have unfortunately it seems had no choice but to move to pastures new.

I would have liked to see jenna work with r8....as i went with advice and decided to buy on completion....at present that doesn't seem to be on the cards.

i would like to see maxon investing in obtains the rights to this software catalog...but unfortunately we may have very little sway in that area.

What I would also like to see and I have banged on about in on this forum before is (because the people over at bhodinut have always had trouble commercially) why maxon can't employ creative individuals like that rather than let them move on.....
IMHO is totally unacceptable to let talent like that migrate elsewhere..........they belong with cinema 4d....
unfortunately directors and accountants find it very hard to understand creative ideas are what actually bring in the bucks to pay for that share option they have! The talent is often unappreciated until it has left.....and company who lets the talent leave makes a gamble they can ill afford to make....:shame:

[peXel]

bhodinut isn't down!

maxon bought sla ! and progrmms it !

[Thalaxis]

Yes, unfortunately BhodiNut's doors are closed.

SLA was only one of the pieces of software that they had in development, most of the rest of which it seems may never see the light of day, including Jenna for r8 and Blunt Trauma, which is now somewhat redundant due to XPresso (another case where Maxon should have worked with rather than against BhodiNut).

Regarding Maxon's ownership of SLA... thus far they've let it stagnate, along with the rest of their clumsy texturing system.

[Claudio72]

maxon bought sla and this let me think money are not the problems, I would prefer to think it's a sort of political problem.
BTW bhodinut is not only SLA PeXel.

I can't imagine a 3D package without an array iterator...so I hope maxon do something to integrate jenna too.

For those of you are using more than one package, is there any other doesn't have something like jenna built in?

Is true that maybe BT goes against the new animation env in v8?

[Claudio72]

Thalaxis we have sent the last two post quite in the same moment, my thread is just a copy of your one

[LucentDreams]

Not to sounds like Maxon's B!?(# (I tried to use characters that form similar shapes aren't I witty) but a couple of things people should consider reading a lot of the posts.

First don't blame maxon, overall while they did have some hard times with bhodinut in some areas, really its our faults. Those of use who didn't buy their plugins for whatever reason, my self I couldn't afford them, knowing Darf I told him many times I'd like to get them but I'd have to wait till I was done school and had a job. That point just didn't get there fast enough to help them out.

Second they will likely never work at maxon, harsh words oneither side have been exchanged at certain points, and while things always did calm down again for a while, i think actions have lead to a point where maxon won't offer them aposition, and Darf and Bhodi likely wouldn't accept. Not to say all was hell between them, they did a lot for each other helped each other a lot, and were responsible for a lot of success for both companies back in the days when SLA first came out. You'll note a lot of the expressions for XL 6 were bhodinut expressions too.

Last, I can't really say what will happen with the other plugins, but sla will still live in Cinema, and will only get better, As for the others like Jenna praline, Penny, Nickl its hard to say, Nickl doesn't really need updates, but compatibility in future versions may put an end to that in the future, as for the others, they do work somewhat in R8 as well, unstabel and somewhat prone to crashI guess, haven't used themmyself as I don't have them, but it sounded likje you can use them they just work asif they were in max now ;)

as for the forums, yes its a shame, but that was the obvious first thing to go, its costs money for the server and the software, they paid a ot that could have kept the company running longer, but they wanted to offer the best support they could and really create a community. unfortunately times are hard.

[flingster]

this is a pity really....differences that seem unresolvable....
i'm a big fan of both parties....and its a shame. i hope jenny gets implemented/integrated in some form in the future....as for sla bring on that shader tree....:thumbsup:

i would hate to think developers as talented as those two move onto something out side of world cinema!:annoyed:

[Thalaxis]

Originally posted by Claudio72
Thalaxis we have sent the last two post quite in the same moment, my thread is just a copy of your one

It happens :wavey:

[Claudio72]

Forums Back for a while

a must to have are the toonish shader preset
http://forum.bhodinut.com/viewtopic.php?t=331


Posted: January 15, 8:34pm
I've put the forums back up for now as several people expressed a desire to access some of the material there. They will be up with the rest of the site until the end of February, but don't count on anything past that as we'll likely be taking the whole site down then.

[LucentDreams]

thanks claudio, a lot of presets I went in and made sur I have, probably have them all already, utI'm so disorganised

[LukasS]

Maybe someone from bhodiNUT could export the databasde to a file and send it to me, i would recreate the file on my server and we can run the forum once again?

[Claudio72]

that's a good idea my friend......try to ask BN guys, there's someone here know them ar has got some email chat with?

[peXel]

some persons of bhodinut were betatesters, so they should know, what maxon does. why they are making the "same" always i don't know !

[Arrias]

This is very sad news :(
I'm relativly new to the modeling scene but SLA made life so much easier for new people to create great looking textures with just a little practice & not too much hard work.

Let's hope Maxon can continue developing these shaders (and hopefully more that are as user friendly) to the high standard that BhodiNUT did :hmm:

[g0tenks0]

does anybody have their free products up for mirror? i tried to register for the download section and i guess there not accpeting any more registrations.

[LucentDreams]

pnly free one I know of was nickl, and thats available at the plugincafe.com

[VestanPance]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
pnly free one I know of was nickl, and thats available at the plugincafe.com

BT was free and even Jenna worked with something like 4 instances for itterator.

SP(VP)

[LucentDreams]

BT your right, and what an awesome plugins for XL 7 too, barely got to use it, too much to learn, and was already using expresso, but man for someone who can't upgrade to R8, BT is priceless,

[LukasS]

I wrote to bhodi about exporting forum database and reactivating it at my server.

We'll see what he decides.
And forum runs on phpBB so it won't be a problem to recreate it anywhere (i run 3 forums on it).

[Claudio72]

keep us informed LukasS

[medula]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed LukasS!

[pgp_protector]

FYI The Forums are back up for now

[medula]

pgp_protector,

Ya thanks, I realize this. But those forums will be gone by the end of Febuary. We would like to see them move to a new home so we can continue using them.

[LukasS]

I got no response from Bhodi :(((((((((

I'm sorry, but maybe you'll convince him to move the forums.

[VestanPance]

Originally posted by medula
pgp_protector,

Ya thanks, I realize this. But those forums will be gone by the end of Febuary. We would like to see them move to a new home so we can continue using them.

http://www.xenodesigns.com/forums/index.php

Spread the word cause this could be a great new home for SLA stuff.

Edit: If Bhodi nixes the transer idea.

[MoThBall]

I like it, I like it alot!!!!

[Claudio72]

hi, from my office I continue receiving the following error when I try to enter the forum, the site xenodesign.com works well...


"Access to this website is currently not possible as your hostname/IP appears suspicous."


Could you please check VestanPance??

[creart]

Hi

I've just tried logging in there and it works like a charm - over the next couple of weeks I'll hope to upload a lot of C4D files I've downloaded from the 'old' Bhodinut forum...

Hans

[VestanPance]

Originally posted by Claudio72
hi, from my office I continue receiving the following error when I try to enter the forum, the site xenodesign.com works well...


"Access to this website is currently not possible as your hostname/IP appears suspicous."


Could you please check VestanPance??

Sure thing. I just sent the admin the message. I will let ya know what he says.

[xeno]

sorry for the late reply but, everything that starts with XENO should be good :beer: :thumbsup: lol

im gonna check it out!!

[iso]

sorry for my lack of info, but Bhodinut were shaders right? So was this a shader library or something that allowed one to make there own cool shaders, much like "Darktree". Did this program just make things easier or did it make a lot of things possible that were formerly impossible.

Would this a factor that one would have to take into consideration if they were thinking of purchasing the product?

[xeno]

The bhodinut shaders were basically a new set of shaders which made things easier for u. Materials that would otherwise be hard to make, such as rusty metal, grass wet objects etc, could now be created easier with the help of these shaders.
The site was a forum where people could show off their shaders or could ask for help about how to create a certain material :)

[Thalaxis]

What you're thinking of is Smells Like Almonds, which did in fact enable things that were nigh impossible in Cinema without them. Maxon acquired this shader suite from Bhodinut before they released v7 of Cinema.

Bhodinut had a number of other products, however; many of them were very clever and powerful, others were improvements on existing functionality.

Unfortunately, other than the SLA suite that Maxon bought, they all pretty much died... but they would be, I think, worth resurrecting if it were possible.

[iso]

So what were the other functionalities that are now lost?

Thanks for the answers

[Thalaxis]

More shaders (like an enhanced fog shader), some oddball modelling tools, and the like.

Basically, it was a bit like the Cinema version of Eki's PlugPak for LightWave.

[flingster]

jenna! excellent tool which i want for v8 but isn't available...does this mean maxon can buy it off bhodinut and get on with implementing it into r8 or can they come up with an alternative. (PLEASE PLEASE)

all i can say is...whoever comes up with a version/derivitive for v8 consider me your first customer....i got my visa ready to bite off your hand basically!
:drool:

[DeathCarrot]

*crosses fingers and hopes maxon implements JENNA into c4d R9* :drool:

[medula]

Yes . . I would like Jenna back as well! :scream:

[lllab]

oh yes, jenna would be sooo great for cinema8.

i really, really miss it.
it could also be a module if maxon buys it, i think!?

we want jenna back, however! hope maxon hears this.

cheers

lllab

[Erik Heyninck]

There is hope. Stu sent me a link to the postforum...

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