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Cageman
06-26-2006, 07:45 PM
Link (http://www.volumedic.com/)

and a thread over at SpinQuad (http://www.spinquad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12664)

EDIT: Didn't see the post in the CG News-section. But here is a direct link (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=374415) to the real newspost.

Zarathustra
06-26-2006, 08:15 PM
Yeah, that's with Elmar's plug to take date from MRIs or something? I just know the plug is like $3k. Yikes.

Cageman
06-26-2006, 08:39 PM
Yeah, that's with Elmar's plug to take date from MRIs or something? I just know the plug is like $3k. Yikes.

Yep, it can import data from various systems used in the medical field and then build these datasets. Pretty cool stuff, must have taken alot of of time to make this plug. Ohh, and yes... the price is high, but it seems to be targeted towards pros in the medical field, rather than casual LightWave-users. They even offer a version of VoluMedic bundled with LW for users without a license.

To my knowledge, there is a 30-day trial version. No limitations, except it can't be used in a pro situation.

Zarathustra
06-26-2006, 08:46 PM
I remember seeing that before and wondering how and where it would be used. Now maybe at some point medical data will be obtainable like motion capture files are now. I don't know. For now, it just seems pretty specialized.

Cageman
06-26-2006, 08:51 PM
I remember seeing that before and wondering how and where it would be used. Now maybe at some point medical data will be obtainable like motion capture files are now. I don't know. For now, it just seems pretty specialized.

Haha... true, true. :) On the other hand... Zoic could possibly have some use of this for their work on CSI.. :) *LOL*

Zarathustra
06-26-2006, 09:01 PM
I don't know if there are any laws as to owning or operating say an MRI machine. I suppose there might be money floating around for that show to lease one, pay someone to operate it then pay actors to go through it. Hell of a way to get on tv. "Hey guys, check out my spleen on CSI!"

E_Moelzer
06-27-2006, 09:35 AM
Hello!
Thanks for the kind words and the nice discussion regarding our product, VoluMedic.
There are many ways to obtain datasets.
Many of the datasets we use for testing are datasets available for free download on the web and trust me when I say that I have seen a lot of datasets lately ;)
Another way is to ask at the local hospital, science lab, university or radiologist.
These people are all very bright and open minded. Tell them what you intent to do and they might be interested in giving you some anonymized datasets, most likely even for free or for a small favour.
We got a lot of support (and test- data) from the local hospital during the development of VoluMedic.
We are currently working on providing free datasets on our homepage for registered users of VoluMedic (providing datasets to 3rd parties requires a bit more effort though, so please be patient with us).
Thank you.
CU
Elmar

Zarathustra
06-27-2006, 11:25 AM
Another way is to ask at the local hospital, science lab, university or radiologist.

Seriously? Where are you? I've had trouble getting my own xrays. When I had an MRI before, I had to argue just to be let into the room to view the scans. I can't imagine you can just walk up somewhere, say "hi" and after a little chat get datasets of people. That's amazing.

E_Moelzer
06-27-2006, 12:08 PM
It may depend on the medical doctor and the hospital as well as the hospitals policies.
Here you have the right to your own Xrays, since they "belong" technically to you. In addition to this you might need them to bring to another doctor anyway.
Why they gave you that many troubles with your own Xrays is hard for me to understand.

In regards to other peoples data: This might be more difficult, but as long as the data does not contain any personal information about the patient such as the examination number/date, the patient name, etc, there should not be any problem with that. The most important part is that you must not be able to get the patients identity out of this in any way.
As I said, if you ask nicely and explain what you intent to do with the data, there should not be any problems.
We have had many doctors offer us help with getting data for testing.
It is really not that big a problem.
It might be easier if you know the doctor in person though.
That said, the internet is a great resource for datasets, if you do a search.
Customers of VoluMedic will also get a few datasets from us (this is a bit more complicated though since we are indirectly generating money from this).

CU
Elmar

Zarathustra
06-27-2006, 12:27 PM
Well yeah, a "foot in the door" so to speak probably makes the whole thing easier.

I've had both easy and troublesome experiences getting my x-rays. One hospital looked at it the way you explain (and the way that makes sense) while another place took the "that's not our policy" approach (like saying, 'we think you're too much of an idiot to be trusted to possess your own x-rays'). I guess it all varies from place to place but as always, knowing a Doctor beforehand would always make things easier.

E_Moelzer
06-27-2006, 12:42 PM
Sure, as I said, it also depends on how you approach them. If you speak to them in their language and explain a little bit of what you are intending to do with the data, it will help you a lot.
Think about it: You would not just give anyone some of your work, if you dont know the person, or have no idea of the persons intentions.

Just try to get into conversation before requesting it. Here medical doctors tend to take their time for the patient and a lot of the actual procedure is to talk to the patient.
A good medical doctor will always try to do know more about the patient, even his lifestyle. It can really help with making a good diagnosis.
Anyway, you will have to ask arround a bit and talk to different people. Noone is going to run after you and shout "here take my datasets" ;)
Maybe show them a rendering that you did with VoluMedic and they will be more interested.
It really always depends on the person though.
Maybe you will also have more success if you go through a medical university, or a clinic that is related to a medical university (means also performs medical research).
These people are even more open minded when it comes to these things.
Our experiences have been all good though and we found that the medical community is as bright, exciting, open minded and cool as the LightWave- community.
CU
Elmar

TrueArt Support
06-28-2006, 04:23 AM
I think that Elmar is in better possition that somebody without either notebook and VoluMedic installed on it.. If I were you, I would just went with notebook and show real-time results to doctor and after his/her jaw on the ground I can't imagine that he/she wouldn't give me some datasets, just to see them in LightWave...

Zarathustra
06-28-2006, 04:39 AM
So spend the $3k, and the datasets will follow?

E_Moelzer
06-28-2006, 06:18 AM
Well, we assume that most users that buy VoluMedic already have datasets to use it with ;)
We will provide datasets on our own as a service to our customers, but we think that the majority will already have access to datasets once they buy it.
Also we can always help you out with finding datasets for a particular purpose as a special service, if you inquire about it.
CU
Elmar

Freak!!
06-28-2006, 07:53 AM
I think from a medical standpoint, the plugin has an amazing potential to sell.

I think LW artists if they were smart would approach any specialists, doctors, and a host of similar fields to obtain interest in the abilities, and sell their services of LW using the plugin to make a lot of money.

As for Datasets i'm sure where i live, i almost have a right to obtain the RAW or Dicom
information with my XRay or MRI.

My dream is to own an IPOD sized MRI scanner, and Volumedic to do an amazing amount of
analysys on myself and anything else...... But it will be a few milleniums before i get that portable MRI.

Meanwhile i'm off to fake an illness to get an MRI.... :)

E_Moelzer
07-05-2006, 01:09 PM
Hello!
Just to give everyone who downloaded the VoluMedic- demo a headsup, we have uploaded a small thorax CT dataset on our webpage (already in VoluMedics own format, so no need to import it).
You can find the dataset under customer support- downloads.
CU
Elmar

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