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Cogliostros
01-14-2003, 07:06 PM
My Submission:

The Gift - Cogliostros - Submission - Low (3.29mb) quicktime (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/challenge_comp_v1_low.mov)

The Gift - Cogliostros - Submission - High (7.38mb) quicktime (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/challenge_comp_v1_high.mov)

Original Plate - (646k) (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/original_plate.mov)

Roto and ReTimed Plate - (1.20mb) (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/retime_roto_plate.mov)

Complete Story with VFX Shot - (16.7mb) (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/cog_thegift_short.mov) :deal:

Best to just Right-Hand-Click 'Save As'

http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/challenge_comp_v1_f80.jpg

Comments on Updates are burried in my thread... :argh:

Update >> 01.21.03 >> Storyboard/Animatic (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/)
Update >> 02.01.03 >> LiveAction/RoughCut (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/)
Update >> 02.22.03 >> Modeling/Rigging/Tests (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/)

---original post---
:surprised Count me in...

Cogliostros
01-17-2003, 12:17 PM
This challenge has been a ghost town thus far, I think its been the good, the bad, and the ugly ringing in peoples ears about how in the hell are we going to pull this shot off!?! :surprised ... tumble weed rolls by...

(ya I'm lame) So I got something up, this is my first challenge and first time to really show my concept to creation process, and am excited about it!

Ok the image: - this will be the money shot for the challenge, locked down cam, 3-5seconds...
http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/coreshot.jpg

I conjured up a visual story to lead us to the 'main effect' event? and will post the storyboards pretty soon...

Whats next? animatics, shooting the footage next week, and start to design the main effect in detail.

---
-Cog

Knut
01-17-2003, 12:49 PM
Hi!

This looks very promising. It will be very interesting how you make all this lighteffetcs work.

Good luck!

Arioch
01-17-2003, 05:24 PM
The lighting and camera angle make it very dramatic. I really like it!

astrofish
01-18-2003, 08:37 PM
Hi Cogliostros,
You're right about it being a ghost town around here - I thought it was going to be really busy given how many people signed up...

Maybe it's because people are still trying to get hold of the film?

Anyway, nice drawing you've got there, I really like the dramatic shadows...
Good luck turning it into reality.!

Cheers - Steve

Cogliostros
01-21-2003, 12:48 PM
Knut: ya, I have a few ideas on the lighting... I'll have to see what I can pull off... thanks for the luck, ;)

Arioch: thanks man.

astrofish: Thanks for the luck as well, I think we all need it... and ya, it will pick up, just watch... :applause:

Ok, so I spent some time tonight finishing my storyboards and then decided to go str8 to the animatic... so let me know how its flowing and if it is working or not...

I hope to have the footage shot by Friday... I have everything I need except a location!... then I can start designing the 'main effect'

Ohh right the Animatic:<---click--- (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/index.html) (4.35mb, sorry :shrug: )

-Cog

johs
01-21-2003, 03:36 PM
:eek: OH MY GOD, i once gave my little sister a box, witch looks exactley like the one you have in your animatic. I brought it home from a vacation in Budapest, and you have to do 7 little tricks to open it, wery mysterius. I sure don't hope there is a green orb in it one day. ;)

anyway, it looks good, and you have almost made a hole new chapter for the the Heavy Metal movie :)

CobraX
01-21-2003, 03:40 PM
Holy Shhhhhhh......

DAMN!Cogliostros!!! This animatic, storyboard is very cool!!!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


Your first shot i found awesome...but this animatic just blows me away, i can't wait to see your work :D :D :D

Congrats man, it really looks good :)

Take care

Cogliostros
01-21-2003, 10:37 PM
Johs: Haha, thats cool, I bet its the same one, If memory serves me, it was a gift from Hungary, ;) Great little boxes! Ya, you might want to call your sister up... :p thanks for the comments, :D

CobraX: Wow, thanks for the cussing! haha, I'm glad you like it! :D

Thanks for the encouraging response guys, I still have a lot of work to do yet, but your comments are energizing me to keep chipping away at this challenge...

Cheers, :beer:

Knut
01-21-2003, 11:36 PM
... _ _ _ ... _ _ _ ... Holy orb! This looks good. Your storyboard looks decent. You are setting a mile high standard here. I might have to quit my job to get the time i need to get to this level. But today i saw the movie and are going to think hard on a nice concept for this. Looking forward for more.

Cogliostros
01-23-2003, 07:54 AM
I was having too much fun testing AT&T's Natural Voices (http://naturalvoices.att.com/demos/) Text-to-Speech Engine... :drool:

So I made 'Mike' read part 1 of my story, part 2 will have to wait until tomorrow because I used all my tests for the day, haha... (40 a day per IP)

Anyway, here is part 1 using "Mike's" voice as my narrator... >>> theGift story Part 1 <<< (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/cog_story_part1.wav)

No major updates... If all goes well, Monday I will have shot all my footage and then the real fun begins... :scream:

Once I digitize the footage I'll go into the software and CG and goodies galore I hope to use and gather help on.

---
-cog

johs
01-23-2003, 01:20 PM
he he he, sounds funny.
-but it's A LOT better than "Text Assist" or what it was called, the software that came along with the SB AWE32 (but its also 8 yrs. old)

CobraX
01-23-2003, 01:55 PM
Hahahah Cogliostros :D LMAO!!!!!

Hehehe funny stuff acually.... I LOVE the music in the background......Alan Silvestri - Predator YEAAHHH!!!

Hehhee as you see i really like the pred... :p look at my avatar...

Hey, BTW Cogliostros you have a nice website :)

It got me thinking about taking Drawing lessons :D seriously :)

The Text in your speech is actually very interesting :) i really like it, it's like a movie preview when you listen to the radio :D

Cogliostros
01-23-2003, 06:28 PM
Hahaha, its fun, I visited the site after reading this article for those who are interested... its a good article.

The Voice of Tomorrow (http://www.discover.com/jan_03/featmath.html)

Its much better then the older text readers by far, but it still has trouble with some words/sentences... I had to cheat a few words and spellings to get it to say what I want, ;)

Its amazing though it refrences like 10,000 versions of each letter's sound... and uses an algorithm to put the words together, so you get a variation in the tone and a more personal voice. Read the article... heh they had a kid who recorded "Please excuse Johnny from school today" in the women's voice and he got off school. haha

Anyway, just having some fun, and yesssss Silvestri! Predator is one of the best creatures every created! Check out spawn.com, McFarlane toys are finally releasing 2 predator toys/sculptures...

Glad you liked my website, thanks, its slow as hell but ohh well, drawing? Ya never hurts to take some drawing courses, there great and can really start to embed a strong sense of seeing visually as an artist.

Ok I rant on and friggin' on... peace. :rolleyes:

Cogliostros
01-23-2003, 08:18 PM
Ok, I hope you guys find this funny, cause I got a good laugh out of it... hahah Here is part2 of my story told by the inHuman voice of "Mike" the AT&T guy...

>>> theGift story Part 2 <<< (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/cog_story_part2.wav)

>>> theGift story Part 1 <<< (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/cog_story_part1.wav)

I am such a nerd... somebody hire me before I go :insane:

CobraX
01-23-2003, 08:20 PM
HAHhahahaha excellent !!! :D It end right on time with music...it really is funny and cool :) the only problem is the hiccups of "mike".... but sounds cool to me:D

Cogliostros
02-01-2003, 01:16 AM
ahh... the the rush of friendly competition... The GFS guys have kicked me in the pants to get some of my footage up... as they have some quality footage up on their thread tonight... :D

I had to rent a one-day Sony VX2000 and shot most all the footage I could in that day... but I neglected the 'main event' shot so I will have to re-shoot that, and get better conditions for my actor to land on... haha my concept is not the easiest arial leap, ;)

Anyway, its for the better I will be able to use a bluescreen room, and I have my clean plates so I should be good.

I will post up the rough cut of my footage shot tonight... stay up late!

Until then? here is some eye candy... mic POV - CG Sequence 1 - Hoops (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40868)

cheers...cog.

JDex
02-01-2003, 01:18 AM
Hey Cogliostros,

Try that with the Steven Hawking voice... that would sound choice...:thumbsup:

Cogliostros
02-01-2003, 09:14 AM
Ok here is the footage as promised...

Looking for feedback... just know that I will be shooting for the main effect soon...

Cheers... :beer:

Live Footage Rough Cut (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/)

PS I apologize for the music and cheese factor... its just me! :drool:

JDex
02-01-2003, 09:23 AM
Great location... your bluescreen plan will likely make it all gravy...

Good luck...

ManuelM
02-02-2003, 08:53 PM
hi cogliostros

i like your footage, as you have an interesting location. but concerning your roughcut, i believe, that it is too long. in my opinion, it would be better to have only one or two shots an an introduction. otherwise, the introduction will be 5 or 6 times longer then the interesting part of the sequence, as your effect shot ends very fast.

only my two cents...

bye manuel

Cogliostros
02-05-2003, 07:06 AM
Hey Manuel,

well for this contest I will focus on the main shot... but I plan to add effects to the other footage so seemingly long setup will have some added flare... revealing the orb in the reflection of the eye... green shimmering on the characters on the box itself, and the green orb that comes out of the box will all be vfx shots, but I agree, its damn long!

Belive me, I'm going to reshoot the main shot, initially I wanted to find a camera where I could crank up the frame rate as my actor is in mid air slowing it down... but I cant afford some 24p digi cam or film camera... so I will have to do that in post...

Otherwise there is one shot I have had in mind where the camera is strapped to my actors chest as he is repelled back starting the effect from the orb on his chest from his POV. So picture the box flying away from camera the chest and arms arching off camera and the green orb floating above.... we'll see.

Thanks for the advice and replies! keep it up ;)

astrofish
02-05-2003, 09:59 AM
Hi Cogliostros,

Originally posted by Cogliostros
but I plan to add effects to the other footage so seemingly long setup will have some added flare...

You might need to be careful about this...

From the official guidlines:


The segment of the shot from the 'effect' beginning to when it ends should be no longer than 5 seconds. The total duration of the clip can be longer.

Depends how strict they are going to be, but you don't want to get disqualified for doing too much...

Cheers - Steve

Cogliostros
02-05-2003, 03:46 PM
heh, ya just for me and my stuff, not for the challenge... ;)

But thanks for reminding me!

:thumbsup:

Cogliostros
02-22-2003, 06:52 PM
WoW, time is flying by, I have been busy with other projects, and other events, and I started back up on this challenge this last week. Modeling began on Feb 17, and I'm not a modeler :annoyed: , it's my first head ever, and I just don't model enough complex objects, and it shows... but the main shot is a 'wide' shot, so I think I'll be ok with what I have... I'm tweaking some of the geo, ie the shoes, head and other parts... Texturing is nearly finished. I have also almost finished rigging, and have setup up 2 light models, matching my location using HDRI from a chrome ball I shot. Ohh and an orb geo test...

Whats next? Generation of elements for the effects, animated textures, animated mattes, particle systems, compositing, and ya I'm really pushing it, for this final week because my scheduled re-shoot is for Tuesday Morning, so that means I still have to do some rotowork and matching cg animation to my actor...

Enough of this, I have way to much work to do here... below are some pictures....

Or just go here: My entries WIP site (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/)

http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/feb22/front.jpg
http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/feb22/profile_head.jpg
http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/feb22/head.jpg

more... pictures here. (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/)

Thats it for now, c+c always welcome. :surprised

alim
03-01-2003, 10:20 AM
hey man!

we got an extra week! so do u think ull have something (even a finished preview) for the dline?

wanna see how your actual effect is coming along, seems like u doing fine on the modelling (hope rigs went well!)

//

Cogliostros
03-02-2003, 12:52 AM
I'll have some updates early this week... I'm chipping away at match animating my cg double... (my rig sux :annoyed: ) then the fun really begins...

I'm also rendering elements to composite with so I'll post those as well!

As for the deadline? 4-SURE! I will deliver... I can't garuntee goodness, but will strive for it, :p

johs
03-03-2003, 11:23 PM
I understand if you have a hard time matching the footage, you have the same problem as I have. A carecter with a big lose shirt (especialy on the arms), that gives a bit problems.

Are you making a colmlete cg background or just adding cg elements (what elements?), or are you using the one from your footage?

Cogliostros
03-05-2003, 01:27 AM
late for work... but here is a quick update, I'll respond later tonight if there is anymore feedback... :)

March 4 Update - matchmove + orb test... (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/)

:surprised

I'll be throwing up the raw bg plate and then as I make them, the passes I will be using in the comp...

Cogliostros
03-05-2003, 07:13 AM
Hey Johs,

Ya, its a bitch to get an accurate match with out some cloth sims, and great modeling and animation, but I'm trying to achive the general motion and shapes and using animated textures control the effects...

The only cg elements I am using will be the basic bg geo for cast shadows and debris, otherwise its just the digital double to perform the effects on... I have a skeleton and will hopefully have time to render out some chunks of flesh and what not...

:hmm: I must work harder!

alim
03-05-2003, 08:04 AM
wow that is awesome! ur shot design is really cool, really freaky and 'real', kinda like a blair witch sort of feeling... its gonna be a real showpiece on ur reel!

i think we should have WIP section for our late vfx entries cos ur hdri tests were awesome too! with a day left itll be hard rendering that quality out on time

good luck!
//

johs
03-05-2003, 10:38 AM
Nice acting, I like the slow motion stuff. :thumbsup:

Cogliostros
03-07-2003, 12:20 AM
here is a shot, still have more elements to add... but a little something so far... :surprised

http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar06/frame_300_raw.jpg

:insane: back to work!

Knut
03-07-2003, 01:22 AM
Awsome flesh effects...this is going to be uber cool! The Feel of the shot is very sinister (or how you spell that).

johs
03-07-2003, 01:44 AM
Outch!!! looks goooood. And d***, you have really made something out of your model (or perhaps you are just faking it good)

alim
03-07-2003, 04:45 AM
oo lala!!! lookin very cool man! i think "the mummy" wouldve been some really good reference for all of us on this!

i agree your model looks awesome!

the light showing throught the cracks is a bit unclear as to what it is in a still frame but i suspect would be much more obvious in video.... cant wait!

//

RobertoOrtiz
03-07-2003, 05:58 PM
Post the animation!
You only have 6 hours!
You have one of the best entries!

-R

Cogliostros
03-07-2003, 09:16 PM
Friday, March 7, 2003, at 20:48:29

I'll have my submission (with original plate) up in about 2 hours... and follow with some more process and elements used...

:surprised

RobertoOrtiz
03-07-2003, 09:54 PM
2 hours to go!!

RobertoOrtiz
03-07-2003, 11:19 PM
One hour!

Cogliostros
03-08-2003, 12:13 AM
:argh: Ok here it is! LOL thanks for the countdown RobertoOrtiz! :p I hope I don't dissapoint your buildup...

I will continue to work on it... I planned to add a few particle events one that lashes out from the orb and the others being debris coming off of the body being eaten away, because shoot where did his body go? :hmm:

I had great fun and stress getting this shot where it is, I hope you guys enjoy it!

The Gift - Cogliostros - Submission - Low (3.29mb) quicktime (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/challenge_comp_v1_low.mov)

The Gift - Cogliostros - Submission - High (7.38mb) quicktime (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/challenge_comp_v1_high.mov)

Best to just Right-Hand-Click 'Save As'

http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/challenge_comp_v1_f80.jpg

time 4 :beer:

Ohh ya... I'll get the original plate up next... and update the WIP site for elements used...

RobertoOrtiz
03-08-2003, 12:21 AM
Nice job!

Cogliostros
03-08-2003, 12:39 AM
Ok... here are the original footge plates...

Original Plate - (646k) (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/original_plate.mov)

Roto and ReTimed Plate - (1.20mb) (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/retime_roto_plate.mov)

Questions, Comments, Feedback, Advice! :surprised

Knut
03-08-2003, 12:43 AM
Wow..that is sweet! I love the quality of the Orb. Looks like super heated plasma in a bubble or something, very nice. And the flesh on the skeleton! Very nice. As you said, would love to see the flesh rip of in a storm radiating from the skeleton. But verry nice indeed. :thumbsup:

Cogliostros
03-08-2003, 12:06 PM
Here is the story and setup including the VFX submission:

Complete Story with VFX Shot - (16.7mb) - Quicktime (http://www.meyemind.com/thegift/mar07/cog_thegift_short.mov)

It's a short visual story for the challenge... and I plan on finishing it with other effects durring the setup, ie orb coming out of the box, shimmering characters on the box, eye effects, key hole effects, etc. (puts my shot in context for those who havent followed my progress)

Thats it for now... I'll upload the final short and vfx when I get a chance to finish it...

Cheers to all the others in the challenge, good work!

I had a ball, err.. orb, err... blast, err... GoodTimes. :cool:

johs
03-08-2003, 03:45 PM
Well done Cogliostros, I really like your shot, and your fleshy skeleton looks great. I think your's is the best :applause:

dmcgrath
03-08-2003, 07:22 PM
Hey David, it's Dan from your physics class last semester. Sweet entry! I love the timing and the execution from the original plate to the final shot. You've got some talent there, man. I'm going to go vote for it now!

Laters

p.s. did you ever get your camera back?

ManuelM
03-08-2003, 07:52 PM
hi cogliostrostos.

you`ve done a great job. in my opinion, you solved the effect of desintegration the best.

nevertheless, in my opinion, there is still some space for improvement. here`s what irritated me the most:

- at first, i thought those tiny white dots were tracking markers, which you were going to paint out ;-)
they are the brightest element in your image and catch the spectators impression at first, but in fact they are not really of importance. they make it hard, to concentrate on the effect.

- i guess, with your animation,you tried to achieve some kind of time-shift effect. but somehow, it doesn`t work.

-overall, the scene is a bit too dark.

beside these worries, you got my vote.

well done

Cogliostros
03-08-2003, 08:05 PM
Hey Manuel,

I agree, those pinholes in the side of the barn are a distraction, definatley will take care of that next round... and as far as the time remapping, ya, it doesnt come across like I intended, I didnt have time to slow the effect down so the animation is in slow motion but the effects are normal so it looks wrong... if you check the original re-timed plate, thats more what I was going for... and the falling down isn't smooth, kind floats around... ya more tweaking... I didn't have time to really tweak the mood and lighting like I wanted... all great crits, thanks Manuel!

:thumbsup:

Cogliostros
03-11-2003, 03:11 PM
Dan! whats up man?

Great to hear from you and glad you enjoyed that shot, thanks for the comments, :D

:annoyed: never got the camera back... just the case.

Good stuff on your own work for the animation challenge, :thumbsup: very good.

Take Care and keep in touch,

:p

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