MGAC-014 - The 12 Tri Box!

[Docm30]

Wow, 12 triangles, that's only a four-sided box!

I will see if I can come up with a design.

[Oxig3n]

Wow, 12 triangles, that's only a four-sided box!

I will see if I can come up with a design.

dont you mean 6 sided? :D anyway this one will be a tuffie but im going to have a go at it

[doylle]

Great idea! Count me in!

[XepptizZ]

Damn, this sounds like a fun chellenge. :)

[andrei313]

12tris.... I can't resist :) I see that there is a link to my thread here, it helped me a lot and I am glad that now it can help others :)
So I guess that this week I'm going to do a normal mapped box :bounce:

EDIT: And I also know what I want to do... A box that trappes inside tormented souls... or something like this... creepy.

[ArchangelTalon]

Good call on the topic. I might have a go at this one, need to get a start on normal map practice.

[ts-falcon]

this sounds pretty sweet, should be good texturing practice. are we allowed to use glow maps cause that could help turn out some sweet results.. anyways im in!

[Noxious]

Never entered a challenge here before but..... a box containing the gateway to hell :)

http://www.sourceblog.org/nox/mgac14.jpg

[HellBoy]

lol super cool, 12tris... counmt me in

[hnbmilk]

OoooooOOO!! I like the idea. This should be my first MGAC

[mindrot]

HEHE!!! Sounds like a great project.... so many possibilities.

~M~

[Titan369]

sweet, i know i can make this one guys.:)

[requiem2d]

Good to see so many want to take part, and good to see work so ealry already :) Going to be a tough one for sure at the end!

this sounds pretty sweet, should be good texturing practice. are we allowed to use glow maps cause that could help turn out some sweet results.. anyways im in!

Yep, no probs!

[GLandolina]

i'll join in :D

[ElFuego]

Count me in! wonder how much variety we can produce :D with 12 tris...whee!

[blacker]

Crap, now I gotta learn how to normal map! ;)
Well, for better or worse, I'm in!

[requiem2d]

Count me in! wonder how much variety we can produce :D with 12 tris...whee!

Sky's the limit :)

[HellBoy]

here's my really hustled entry :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/mwarsame/Projects/Juggernaut_vehicle_lv/machine_01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/mwarsame/Projects/Juggernaut_vehicle_lv/machine_02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/mwarsame/Projects/Juggernaut_vehicle_lv/machine_02_wire.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/mwarsame/Projects/Juggernaut_vehicle_lv/machine_02_norm_tex.jpg

[ninjacore]

Hellboy - ha, i recognise that vending machine texture:scream:. one thing i think you should do is optimise the way you UV'd your box. have the front much bigger, and overlay the side bits. and then stick the rest on an area of plainish detail. for a 512, you should be looking to score more detail than that:) also not sure whats happning with your normalmap. looks rather pixelly

[HellBoy]

yea lol I stole it right off google and slapped it without even tweaking it

for the normal map, I generated it from photoshop and I somehow applied 1 level of blur filter, thinking that I would get smooth result :D
I'm going to fix it tomorrow

[Oink]

MGAC here i come. Its my first time :blush:

[requiem2d]

MGAC here i come. Its my first time :blush:

Drumroll..... :)

[Oink]

Drumroll..... :)

Well here´s my 12tri box. My girlfriend is over for a visit so i didnt have much time to put something together and considering her love for horror movies (the old ones) and popcorn i guess this was a given. Tributed to her ;)

I hope this is nice enough for you though. Spec and transp arent very exciting to look at so i didnt upload those but if they are a requirement ill give them to you.




CHECK PAGE 3 FOR MY ENTRY!

[Interactionman]

Never entered a challenge here before but..... a box containing the gateway to hell :)




um, isn't that a copy from Hellraiser (http://images.google.com.au/images?q=hellraiser%20box&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)?

[Deadalus]

my turn. most of the big bump add to be redone for the nmap.
i use nvidia pshop plugin
scanning a piece for faster diffuse map = bad idea and wrong shadow.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7942/hd5ey.jpg


diff
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2974/hddiff3sj.jpg

normal
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8039/hdnm6nh.jpg

spec
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/272/hdspc2ho.jpg

[blacker]

um, isn't that a copy from Hellraiser (http://images.google.com.au/images?q=hellraiser%20box&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)?

"You may create your own original concept or model from already concepted art."

I guess it falls under that. :shrug:

[CodeNothing]

cool models everyone! I'd like to make one, but ive never done Normals before and im having a bit of a road block with my first attempt...

Once i have the normal map saved (im using Nvidias PS plug in) how do i apply it to a model in Maya? Ive looked at all sorts of tutorials and they say to just simply 'apply' it. but i tried puting it in the normal map slot for the bump maps, and a few other futile places, and no luck. Do i need to download a special shader or material type?

(im not that 3D savvy) :shrug:

[Interactionman]

"You may create your own original concept or model from already concepted art."

I guess it falls under that. :shrug:


I guess I can just scan any piece of existing artwork, map it onto a flat plane and call it my own then. Hoorah!

[Ghostscape]

I guess I can just scan any piece of existing artwork, map it onto a flat plane and call it my own then. Hoorah!

Considering the whole point is to improve your own skill, I don't think you'll see too many people doing that, although I really think the Hellraiser box needs to be seriously reworked, as the UV space is wasted and the material is very unconvincing.

I'll be doing a rather famous box myself :D

[Deadalus]

another one before sleep . w00t 30 min .. but a crappy result :D
Bah it was fun ! that the most important.
my hand is all numb after holding the cartridge over the scanner. Damn you radioactive scanner !! damn yoooooOOou!!! * shake fist to the skie ( not the numb one!)
here a it . if you recognize it you win a cookie
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6829/cart9wu.jpg

Diffuse 256x512
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6050/cartdf3xg.jpg

normal 256x512
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/512/cartnm1ov.jpg

[CodeNothing]

well, i got the diffuse and the transparancy maps in place, and ive made the normal, but still no clue on how to apply it. any suggestions?


http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5958/nonormals6fx.jpg

[requiem2d]

Looking good everyone! Very very diverse boxes :D

[ArchangelTalon]

Hmm, this normal mapping milarky is quite fun.

Some good entries, dudes :D

Kind of overestimated how much detail I could reasonably get into a 512 map. Originally it was going to be one of the first sea-faring clockwork clocks... but I realised I couldn't be arsed to texture the clockwork and the normal map was a fuzzy mess at that resolution.

So, now it's a ye olde box to transport TNT/nitroglycerine on carts or trains without the annoyance of killing yourself.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7716/box012lu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Spec and diffuse are WIP.

[Ghostscape]

Here's my entry :D
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/7614/web18ed.jpg
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7843/web25du.jpg
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4484/web36sb.jpg

Texture is a combination of photo overlays and hand painting.

[HellBoy]

Code Nothing, I dunno if the same methodology as max can be used in maya but you have to install a cg combiler (toolkit) from nvidia (http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit_1_1.html) then get a shader that will open up your dds maps, I dunno if maya uses .fx shaders but there were a site that stored bunch of shaders to download, but it looks like its down now http://www.monitorstudios.com/bcloward/tutorials_normal_maps1.html

[GLandolina]

oooh damn you ghostscape you got there first with the cardboard box :P
I have to think something else up now

[Oink]

Added some text to my entry. Ill repost it here so you dont have to go back.


PS: Love that harddrive


ENTRY
Movie monsters arent always shooting movies you know, Sometimes they like to hang out like the rest of us and watch horror movies themselves. For enjoyment?, to get afraid? , inspiration or just to see what their buddies are up to. Who knows?

What i do know is that they wouldnt go to the movies without getting a box of popcorn. After all, you dont go to the cinema without getting popcorn now do you.

I decided to enlighten you all out there on how one of these popcorn boxes look like and here it is!

THE MOVIE MONSTERS MEDIUM POPCORN!, Usually bought by such nice people like zombies and vampires. That blood sure hits the spot every time.


http://www.pigged.net/stuff/mgac/poppisofhorror.jpg


http://www.pigged.net/stuff/mgac/colormap2.jpg
http://www.pigged.net/stuff/mgac/normalmap.jpg (heh ahem.. yeah i know :/ )

[SHEPEIRO]

oink- your a loon

[Deadalus]

btw it would be interessting to remove the Mgac-13 and switch it for this one as sticky. no?

thank mr piggy

[CodeNothing]

Hellboy: Thanks for responding, I tried the Nvidia thing, but im using Maya6.5, and the toolkit only works on 4 and 5. am i the only one using maya 6.5? I cant find anywhere on the net that gives any kind of decient instruction on APPLYING normal maps in maya. excruciating detail on how normal maps work and how to MAKE them, but then they all end with "now that your done apply it to the material and your all set!" LOL


At this point im thinking of going MAX. Its a pain to switch between programs, as ive just finaly goten used to modeling in Maya, but this normal map business seems to be way more trouble than what its worth.

Thanks again for the response, ill keep working on it.

[blacker]

Hellboy: Thanks for responding, I tried the Nvidia thing, but im using Maya6.5, and the toolkit only works on 4 and 5. am i the only one using maya 6.5? I cant find anywhere on the net that gives any kind of decient instruction on APPLYING normal maps in maya. excruciating detail on how normal maps work and how to MAKE them, but then they all end with "now that your done apply it to the material and your all set!" LOL


At this point im thinking of going MAX. Its a pain to switch between programs, as ive just finaly goten used to modeling in Maya, but this normal map business seems to be way more trouble than what its worth.

Thanks again for the response, ill keep working on it.

This may be a stupid question, but after you've assigned the normal map in your bump slot, have you tried rendering a pic of it? I'm not sure what version maya swtiched over, but on 7, you can go to High Quality under the panel pull down tabs, and switch to Hardware Rendering, too. My crappy video card isn't good enough to allow me to see the normal maps applied in realtime, but when I render the picture out, it's there. The only other thing I can think of is that if your incandescent setting is on (in your material) the normal map's effectiveness might be lessened or killed completely since your 12 tri box will glow in the shape of the geometry rather than the normals from your normal map.

Anyway, I hope that helps a little bit! This is my first foray into normal map land, too.

[ElFuego]

Here is my entry!

http://fuego.ungroup.net/hakki/hakki.jpg
http://fuego.ungroup.net/hakki/hakki2.jpg

Here are the maps (2 * 512):

http://fuego.ungroup.net/hakki/diffuse.jpg

And wire (12 tris):

http://fuego.ungroup.net/hakki/hakkiwire.jpg

Tadaa! no normal maps o_O

Selfportrait btw :)

Programs used: 3DSMax 8, Photoshop CS, Freehand

[requiem2d]

So much creativity guys, great stuff :)

[Auctane]

its now 12 tris 256x256+128x128 color, bump, spec. i dont know if i will dq becaus it is no longer a box.

http://www.jaredbauer.com/CGTalk/GameArt/box_1.jpg

[Noxious]

um, isn't that a copy from Hellraiser (http://images.google.com.au/images?q=hellraiser%20box&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi)?

hence the reason it says in the image that its the 'lament configuaration'. I had another idea but someone else has already done something similar so i dont want to get accused of ripping his idea off.

[GLandolina]

gargh someone did my second idea aswell, right i have one more but its a bit crap, noone else has done it yet and i doubt they will tho :)
btw notice how many more entries we get if the limits are super low?
I reakon we do the next ones like this:
12 tris (current)
50 tris (next) - winner chooses theme
100 tris (next) - winner chooses theme
300 tris (next) - winner chooses theme
500 tris (next) - winner chooses theme

[andrei313]

Sounds cool... But we should keep it in powers of 2... It helps if it is done for games :D
Look at me... I'm talking and I don't have an entry yet... I'll get right to work :)

[blacker]

Here is one... 8 tris, 256 maps

http://www.jaredbauer.com/CGTalk/GameArt/box_1.jpg
Ok.. I feel stupid but... what is it?

[CodeNothing]

This may be a stupid question, but after you've assigned the normal map in your bump slot, have you tried rendering a pic of it? I'm not sure what version maya swtiched over, but on 7, you can go to High Quality under the panel pull down tabs, and switch to Hardware Rendering, too. My crappy video card isn't good enough to allow me to see the normal maps applied in realtime, but when I render the picture out, it's there. The only other thing I can think of is that if your incandescent setting is on (in your material) the normal map's effectiveness might be lessened or killed completely since your 12 tri box will glow in the shape of the geometry rather than the normals from your normal map.

Anyway, I hope that helps a little bit! This is my first foray into normal map land, too.

ill try and see if its hardware render, and see what my incandescent is up to. I have 6.5, and when i rendered it by just droping the normal in the bump map it looked odd. So i did a test of several dark cercles, and all i got on the render was etched outlines of the shapes, no "depth". So i tried converting the normal to greyscale and got the same effect. so long story short (too late) Maya takes the normal map, and converts it to Greyscale and uses it as a bump.

I did follow someone elses directions by connecting the 'color out' to 'normal camera' of the material, and i got a glowy bright thing with dark lines. could this be a result of the incandescent lighting on the material? hmmmm....

all i know is that once i do figure this out, im making a tutorial DVD and selling it. Ive been all over the net and no one has a simple step-by-step process to apply maps in MAYA 6+ ANYWHERE!

thanks for the info, ill probably be up all night again trying new stuff.

[requiem2d]

All sounds good to me (in regards to competition talk above) :)

Cheers

[HellBoy]

or maybe next one could be a 2 tris plane with same texture specs

[Auctane]

Ok.. I feel stupid but... what is it?

:blush: .. guess I better use the rest of the specs.

[requiem2d]

or maybe next one could be a 2 tris plane with same texture specs

Wouldn't need to have a model then, just show us the texture, same thing ;)

[theabyss]

Oh MY Godness ElFuego thats awesome.
After a few of these entries i realized that I actually have to think outside the BOX...

[JYoung]

ill try and see if its hardware render, and see what my incandescent is up to. I have 6.5, and when i rendered it by just droping the normal in the bump map it looked odd. So i did a test of several dark cercles, and all i got on the render was etched outlines of the shapes, no "depth". So i tried converting the normal to greyscale and got the same effect. so long story short (too late) Maya takes the normal map, and converts it to Greyscale and uses it as a bump.

I did follow someone elses directions by connecting the 'color out' to 'normal camera' of the material, and i got a glowy bright thing with dark lines. could this be a result of the incandescent lighting on the material? hmmmm....

all i know is that once i do figure this out, im making a tutorial DVD and selling it. Ive been all over the net and no one has a simple step-by-step process to apply maps in MAYA 6+ ANYWHERE!

thanks for the info, ill probably be up all night again trying new stuff.

Maya won't render normal maps in any version. You can either do the outColor to NormalCamera, and render using the hardware renderer(assuming your graphics card is good enough to support high quality rendering), or you can download one of several shaders that will allow the software renderer or mental ray to correctly render them. I've used the JSnormal map shader for mental ray with good success.

http://www.pixero.com/downloads.html

Let me know if you have any questions on how to use it.

[Docm30]

Great looking stuff guys!

Deadalus, good-job; I own an original gold copy like that one (not the later grey one).

[blacker]

WIP - Gun Box

I'm working on a gun box. This is my first try at normal maps. They're working but I think I'm pushing them too hard (my high-poly was too rounded). This is a combination of surface sampling in Maya and (when that f@cked up), hand painting in photoshop. Then I made a bump map with the scrollwork and the skull and pistols and used the Nvidia filter to make it a normal map and composited them together.

I still need to tweak this as I'm getting some strange effects. I think I need to lessen the scale for the bump-to-normal parts. It seems like maybe it's too much. After this is done, I'll texture (hopefully tomorrow).

It's going to be primarily wood (I'm debating adding more detail in a bump-to-normal for wood grain and damage) with metal scrollwork and skull/guns. I think I'll probably add a lock and hinges in the high poly and re-bake/re-composite (also metal).

http://www.hostrealm.com/todd/gunboxwip1.jpghttp://www.hostrealm.com/todd/gunboxwip2.jpg

[Ghostscape]

its now 12 tris 256x256+128x128 color, bump, spec. i dont know if i will dq becaus it is no longer a box.

http://www.jaredbauer.com/CGTalk/GameArt/box_1.jpg

Doesn't it sort've defeat the purpose if you've deleted 4 of the sides of the building? The only place such a building would work in probably wouldn't need maps that large.

[SHEPEIRO]

yeah id up the scale of the map and include more difference

[arrangemonk]

I busted you all!!! im proud to present you the 6 tri box!
http://home.arcor.de/arrangemonk/6tribox/render.jpg
http://home.arcor.de/arrangemonk/6tribox/wire.jpg :D

[requiem2d]

Hmmm, your counter still says 12 lol ;)

[arrangemonk]

but there are 2 boxes as you see!
:P

[ts-falcon]

hahaha thats genius mate :D nice work

[Auctane]

thanks for the tip Shepeiro.

http://www.jaredbauer.com/CGTalk/GameArt/Tower13.jpg

[hnbmilk]

Tada! I present to you the..... hmmmm... what is it?

... Some sort of container :) Not exactly a box, I hope that's ok.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7751/final5xq.jpg

Here are the maps:

Diffuse:
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/7631/diffusecontainers9ie.jpg
Normal:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4278/normalcontainers2wn.jpg
Spec:
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/6671/speccontainers0rx.jpg
Alpha:
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/8976/alphacontainers0mt.jpg

BTW, first time using a normal map!! Woohoo! :applause:

[Ghostscape]

milk, I see all your textures but not the actual model?

[kenny_bsp]

This is my first contest entry on this forums and i'm still learning to model. At first i didn't wanted to participate in this contest because i cant texture well :D but then i liked the idea of 12 tri limit. So after some thinking i came up with a truck from 12 tris with 3 textures. Hope you'll like it :thumbsup:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3929/finalentry4mh.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalentry4mh.jpg)
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/122/finalentry28pc.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalentry28pc.jpg)
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9131/finalentrywireonly5pt.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finalentrywireonly5pt.jpg)
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6773/finaltextures6pt.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=finaltextures6pt.jpg)
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7829/finalentryturnaround26zz.gif

[Oink]

How the...

How does it look untextured?


*trying to understand :P *




Well you kicked my minds ass... Kudos! :)


edit: removed some text that got out of date.

[hnbmilk]

milk, I see all your textures but not the actual model?

Top one, or should i make it bigger?

@kenny: WOW!!

[BakerCo]

wow some creative stuff in here nice job everyone.

Lost...

[ArchangelTalon]

Really liking that smoke style hnbmilk, cool stuff.

Haha, that's great, kenny. Very cunning. Though not too box-like ;)

[ArchangelTalon]

Ok, got no more time to work on this, so this'll be my final submission. It's been a good learning experience :)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8998/boxcollage9rn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2702/boxtexcollagethumb0zx.jpg (http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/9985/boxtexcollage5ss.jpg)

[Noxious]

thats awesome kenny ;)

[obelisk]

So after some thinking

Something of an understatement, that. My mind's ass, has also been kicked.

-O

[SHEPEIRO]

thats top draw nutter Kenny_BSP

[CodeNothing]

Maya won't render normal maps in any version. You can either do the outColor to NormalCamera, and render using the hardware renderer(assuming your graphics card is good enough to support high quality rendering), or you can download one of several shaders that will allow the software renderer or mental ray to correctly render them. I've used the JSnormal map shader for mental ray with good success.

http://www.pixero.com/downloads.html

Let me know if you have any questions on how to use it.

you are my savior! :applause:

[Psyk0]

Clever ideas guys! :applause:. This should be a close one.

[Ghostscape]

Awesome submissions everyone, (although I still can't see Milk's for some reason? I see his textures but the imageshack link for his model isn't working. I checked it in Firefox and IE, and other folks see it but not me?)

Some of these are really clever, but have to question wasting 256x512 of a 512x512 map (512kb of texture memory!) to save 6 triangles. Still, it's really awesome that you guys pushed the boundaries like that :D

[requiem2d]

SUBMISSIONS CLOSED

SUBMISSIONS CLOSED

SUBMISSIONS CLOSED

Will post winner later this day! :)

[Oink]

Well i know im getting my ass kicked here but it was a fun experience. First time as i said. Ill probably be back for seconds :)


I think the monkey-cage or the truck will win. :thumbsup:

[requiem2d]

So many great entries, but I can only pick one :/

Congrats El Fuego :)

[Oink]

Congrats to the monkee-man :bounce:

[ArchangelTalon]

Grats, dude :)

Well deserved, very cool entry.

[LOOM]

El Fuego ! :applause:

[tin-tin]

Well done dude :applause:

[ElFuego]

wow, thanks everybody! :D Didn't imagine it in my wildest dreams after kennys entry :>
There were great designs and creativity in this challenge and mr. requiem2D deserves big thanks for choosing such a cool theme!

I'll be posting new challenge soon. :) !

[kenny_bsp]

Congrats El Fuego :applause:
Hope i'll like the theme of next challenge :D

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