T-Rex

[Vilperi]

By the way why is the image so small? If you check the one in my gallery page, its way bigger. I have always problems getting used to new forums:sad:

And hey, some critique on my Rex project wouldn't hurt either:rolleyes:

[Vilperi]

Is this really how you welcome a new member here?:sad:

[DarkTure]

I dont know a lot about Dinos so I cant really give you an good critique. Its looking good to me anyway.

About the smaller pic, you linked to the thumbnail :)

[Neeno]

Hey Champ,


Give it time dude, You'll get critiques believe me. SOme one will notice. Don't think its your work, Your Dino looks great, do you have access to Z Brush ?

If you do he will look fantastic with some skin detailing and some colourful textures. I think his feet look well done, some closer shots would be nice. Welcome to CGsociety...

[Vilperi]

Thanks guys!

Yeah maybe I was a little inpatient there.

But I still don't understand that image problem. I'm pretty sure I linked the actual image but the thumbnail is showing instead:sad: So fustrating

[carmelhadinosaur]

I like it, looks very nice so far. Great lightning.
The only thing that bothers me is that the lower jaw seems kinda unconnected, and that thing between the jaws should get a bit more inside. Also his weight should be higher, because he's kinda sinking low, which isn't too good for such a large beast.
But anyway, waiting for updates :)
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8170/trex8ql.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[joel3d]

Yea! more dinosaur art! I like it, really good start.
Only one thing, maybe the jaw could be less square.

[bobzilla]

Looks really good. The only thing that bothers me is it looks too "Jurassic Park". They had a pretty stylized version and everyone seems to go by that.

Feet look really good. Maybe make the head less boxy.

[Vilperi]

Hehe, thanks for all of you:)

Carmelhadinosaur I corrected that skin between the jaws.

Joel3d if you look some pictures of the JP t-rex you'll notice that the head is quite square, and I'm trying to imitate the JP rex as much as I can. Don't really know why, maybe I just want to test my modeling skills or something. By the way yours is absolutely gorgeous too! Great work!

Bobzilla, like I said I'm trying to imitate JP rexie as much as possible, so I take that JP comment as a compliment:)

[Vilperi]

Heheh. Looks a bit better already:)
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/595/trex026zy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The jaws look much more natural now when that skin is curved.

I'm soon going to start working on the displacement and the bump map, and I need some help with this little problem of mine:

I'm planning to sculpt proper gums for the teeth with Zbrush. Now the problem is, when I'm in Zbrush I have no idea where the teeth are located in the mouth. So how can I know where to brush when the teeth aren't there for me to see? Thanks for any help!

[Vilperi]

Any help would be most appreciated...:)

[Vilperi]

Here's the rig I've been working on...
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7093/rig4ro.jpg

I'm gonna do some muscles for him. Which one should be first in the modifier stack after skin, skin wrap or skin morph? Or does it really matter?

[TimMehmet]

sweet very good stuff, what software you using?

[Vilperi]

Thank you! I'm using 3ds max...

[Vilperi]

I modeled the bones to the volume of the mesh.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7961/rig021yi.jpg

[Soyseitan]

Good to see more dinosaurs, keep it up....have fun animating this beast !

[Vilperi]

Soyseitan I will:)

I started doing muscles for the legs. I'm having troubles getting the skin wrap modifier to work. The mesh is tearing and distorting and I can't make it look nice and clean. Can someone help me please?:sad:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2830/startingpose0uc.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3884/leggoesback0eq.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4135/muscles9dk.jpg

[Vilperi]

You know what's fun? I'm working on my T-Rex project and suddenly 3ds max crashes. Well that's not all. I open max again and open my T-rex file, and this fun little message appears "file open failed". The file is corrupted..:sad:

Is there a way to fix this? I have a backup but I had just done this awsome muscle system that wasn't saved and took me like 3 hours to do. Please help on this one or I'm doomed!!

[cbernardo]

Ow! Really cool your dinossaur!! I see Jurassic Park too last week, your model with textures will be great!!

PS.: I follow your signature link. hehehehe

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carlos

[Vilperi]

Thanks man!:thumbsup: Here's an update...
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3557/rexly1.jpg

[robo3687]

:thumbsup: looks good to me

i only wish I had your rigging abilities......all the rigs I've tried so far for my transformer haven't turned out that great...lol

[cbernardo]

Incredible!! You could make Gary fighting with your dino, like in King Kong!! Hehehe! :D

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carlos

[Vilperi]

Hahaha!!:) That would be a funny thing to see. Wonder which one would win?

[cbernardo]

My bet is for Gary!! Hehehe! Maybe he could call your ellephant friend for help him!

[]s
carlos

[Vilperi]

This T-Rex wouldn't have a change!:)

I made a new rig and I'm planning to start working on a complete scene for my Rex here. Just need an interesting idea. I was thinking of a jungle but what would he be doing there? Any ideas?http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3594/rexynz5.jpg

[Eclyps19]

pickin up chicks
watching tv
having a beer
sleeping
playing video games
brushing his teeth
eating oatmeal
drinking milk through a bendy straw

???

[Vilperi]

Yea, all very nice ideas.

Finally started working on the textures.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1672/rexy2gd3.jpg

[Vilperi]

I think I've found the right direction with the textures.http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5040/rexln7.jpg

[Squash-n-Stretch]

Really good modelling...proportions are spot on, and the colour map is nice, can't wait to see it with a displacement and bump map.

How do you construct a muscle system and then get it to work with the skin? Any tuts you reccomend I follow to learn this method? (Free or DVD, video or written, I don't mind.)

Keep up the good work. Everything so far is good; nice rig, great modelling, etc. As far as a scene goes...a jungle would be good, but almost another project altogether! :D Whatever you do, it would be nice to see an animation; don't waste all that cool rigging and muscle work on a still.

[Vilperi]

Thanks very much squas-n-stretch...Don't worry! Ofcourse I'm gonna animate this fellow:)

Don't really know any good tutorials online, but Paul Neale's rigging DVD's have helped me a lot, despite the fact that the DVDs don't concentrate on muscles that much. I recommend purchasing those DVDs if you have some extra cash in your backpocket, and you're a max user that is.

I've discovered some very useful ways to construct muscles in max and I could write a little tutorial thread in the character rigging section if you like:)

[Vilperi]

Texture updatehttp://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8223/rexy06ha5.jpg

[XTitan]

You are a master. Can you recommend any good literature to help me with my rigging? Thanks, great stuff :)

[Soyseitan]

Looking good so far !

[EyeAmYou]

hey man. really nice work so far.:thumbsup: i like where you're going with the textures. the only thing is i agree with joel about making the jaw a bit less boxy. i attached a picture of one of my references, one of my jurassic park cards. hehe, sorry i didn't have a scanner so i took a pic with my digital. but you can see the jaw is slightly less boxy than yours. i dunno, my two cents.:) are you gonna be add any details to the skin with z-brush or something? that would definately add tremendously to your model. but yeah, great work. i'm about to post my own t-rex WIP. hope you stop by and give me some crits, i know i'll need em. :)

[leishman]

Hey Maxmate
Also ..Im mading a Tyrannosaurus..Im painting texture of T-Rex Now . ..

[leishman]

Another ..I don't sure T-rex had tongue?

[EyeAmYou]

lieshman, i'm not trying to be rude, so dont take it the wrong way, but you're probably better off starting your own WIP thread. you'll prolly get more feedback, and it's also not really fair to the person who started the thread (maxmate). once you start your own WIP thread i'd be more than happy to give you some crits. :)

[leishman]

lieshman, i'm not trying to be rude, so dont take it the wrong way, but you're probably better off starting your own WIP thread. you'll prolly get more feedback, and it's also not really fair to the person who started the thread (maxmate). once you start your own WIP thread i'd be more than happy to give you some crits. :)
Im sorry .......I just want communion . Thank you tips

[EyeAmYou]

it's all good. now you know, and knowing is half the battle! :D

[Vilperi]

Hey, thanks for all the great replys:)

XTitan I recommend CG academys intermediate rigging DVDs. I purchased those DVDs in may and I still haven't learned all they have to offer.

EyeAmYou i don't actually know what you and Joel mean with the boxy jaw.:shrug:

[Vilperi]

Mental ray shader test...http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3460/shadertestdi1.jpg

[Vilperi]

Here's a muscle system I've been working on a few dayshttp://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4668/musclesystemxc0.jpg

[Menesis]

Wow, that's one cool rig! i don't know much about rigs; but why are the bones standard shaped in the picture above? I thought you made custom bones, following the geometry of you dinosaur, as shown one page back?
And by saing 'a few days', do you mean a few fulltime days?!

[Vilperi]

Thanks man! This one is a totally different rig than that other one I posted. I decided to create a better and more complex rig. Let's say something like 5 hours of work in 3 or 4 days.

[Vilperi]

Here's a viewport capture. Did some changes to those tail muscles. I think that looks cooler than render.:)http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7481/musclesystem02zr7.jpg

[Vilperi]

Here's a little walk test
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6273/walkgr1.gif

[element21]

thats fantastic man -
im not going to pretend i know alot about how dinosaurs walk but the head movement looks too jerky to me is all

great work im seeing frm you

[Vilperi]

Thanks man! Yea that head movement isn't the best possibe, but I'm not going to mind cause I animated that in ten minutes just to test the muscle jiggle.

[shinnokSK]

:thumbsup: I want see new update. I hope you are still working on the textures and maps. :)

The muscles are great!

[Dann-O]

Why a T-Rex. I think there are many Dino's that are much more attractive to model. I think you should push the color a bit more. Get away from the jurassic park dinosaurs and really push some color. Remember dinosaurs are related to Birds and reptiles both of which are very colorful. They are not related to Elephants and hippo's. The T-Rex and Tyrannosaurs in General are scavangers filling a niche I call boss scavanger like a male lion forcing carnivores off their kill. Their diminuative arms and their conelike teeth are ill suited to being a carnivore and they have a huge olfactory lobe like a vulture. (nose to you and me)

My choices would be the Baryonx or the Allosaurus.

[Vilperi]

Why a T-Rex. I think there are many Dino's that are much more attractive to model.

Um, maybe because I like T-rex?:shrug: Can't I model t-rex because you prefer some other dinos?

[sanakthe]

Looks good man.. the walk test is pretty good..

would love to see the final product

[Vilperi]

Thanks sanakthe!

Here's another render with mental ray. Nothing special really.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8969/rex02hs8.jpg

[Pendulum]

Your Dino is moving along nicely, although generally displacement maps, or normal maps should be done before the colour map, as this is still part of the modeling pipe. I you dont have access to software that can generate these types of maps, then I would suggest getting the bump in there first. Keep it up.

[stuh505]

Yeah this is a good start for the model but I honestly can't consider it finished until it has taken a ride through the ZB carwash. I think the color map needs a lot of work. The rig looks nice, but I'd like to see an animation of the skin being deformed by the muscles! It's hard to tell what that is going to look like still. Are you using cgMuscle?

[Vilperi]

Stuh505 you're right, it's nowhere near finished. Everything you said will be done. I'm not the greatest at Zbrush so displacement and bump map will propably take some time. I didn't use any muscle plugins. Those are done with standard MAX tools.

[stuh505]

My suggestion for ZB is to just do some of the detailed skin folds around special areas like the eyes and toes and stuff by hand, and maybe a few veins. Then whip up a few different masks for scales / skin wrinkle (or use some of the many freely available ones already made) and just splatter it in projection master. Really shouldn't take too long.

[DaveWortley]

Nice rig! would be very interested to see how you make your muscles in max, just a quick explanation would do! pictures would be a bonus!

keep it up!

[Vilperi]

Well, it's kinda difficult to explain it breafly. There's some pretty complicated stuff involved, so I've been planning to write a little tutorial about muscle creation in max. Just don't know where to put it cause I don't have my own website yet.:shrug:

[Kickflipkid687]

I really like the rig, but there isnt a good sense of wieght. I think you really need to be able to almost feel the weight of that thing stepping down. Like have his foot come down hard and the muscles on the legs really tight than shake somewhat, and kind of sway side to side as he steps. I agree on the head being to jerky.

[Soyseitan]

This animation really needs weight and flow...when it steps down it just freezes. I'd expect a 6 tonnes creature to have a big momentum, not stopped that easily.

[dkpunker]

sweet model and rig that is looking killer! should look awesome when its all skinned and whatnot :scream::thumbsup:

[Vilperi]

I did that animation in less than ten minutes just to test the muscles breafly. Nothing serious or final.

Here's another update on the textures. Maybe next ones will have displacement too.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1428/rex02ax0.jpg

[bobzilla]

I think the bump map will make it come alive.

Here's an allosaurus I did a long time ago. Not perfect, but I liked the bump map.

Done in Cinema 4D and BodyPaint.

[Keiyentai]

Great model there man. I like the color but he seems slightly shiney, almost wax like. Also the mussles Awesome. Just simply awesome. I agree about your TRex needing the Zbrush Wash..that would just be cool. :thumbsup:

[ts-falcon]

wow this is shaping up nicely! awesome form and a nice smooth model. the onyl tihng that is bugging me is the lack of surface texture and the appearance of the ear hole, also the eye looks a tad too small. nice propertions and overall modeling.

[Vilperi]

Thanks guys!:) I managed to create a displacement map with Zbrush and tried to render it in MAX but nothing happened. It rendered out just like the above picture, with no displacement. What am I doing wrong? I flipped the map vertically after exporting from Zbruh, adjusted the curves, mental ray displacement is on and everything should be all cool but it just doesn't render any displacement. So frustrating. Help please.

[Vilperi]

Just realized that I haven't posted any wires of my dino, so here goes. Still need some help with that mental ray displacement.http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2931/rexwiregl8.jpg

[Dann-O]

I did not mean any offense just I think T-Rex's have been done many times before. I like your rigging and I agree that if your displacment painting doess not work out a good bump map and a few extra details will work wonders.

[Vilperi]

Yea it's true that there's like ten t-rex threads in this forum. But I've always loved t-rex so much and I'm not changing my passions just because they are some other people's passions too.

Here's an updated version of the muscle rig.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6727/walkxp2.gif

[Vilperi]

Here's a first displacment test. Added some blood on the teeth too. I'm going to make it so that the front teeth have more blood than the back teeth. So that it looks a bit more natural. Bloody cool eh?:)
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4323/rexdisplacementew0.jpg

[ErikSvensson]

Nice work maxmate :D Watched through all pages and it's getting there. Also nice rig, that's one interest I got too so its fun to watch. Keep it up! No crits here!

Erik

[mc-fleury]

too much blood imo on the theet. i think the color of the blood is too light, i would like to see some darker blood like its there for a while now, you know what i mean. maybe it would be cool to see some dribble (dont know if its the right word) comming out of his mouth.

keep up the great wotk! i think i t will look great with the displacement map completed.

[Vilperi]

Thanks guys! Yea I'm gonna make that blood look a lot better when I have the time.

Hey I bumped in to this little problem with mental ray: I have two different SSS materials on my dino, the skin and the pink mouth tissue, and I've mixed them with scanline blend material. The deal is that mental ray doesn't render displacement if there's a scanline material like blend as a base material. How can I get over this? How can I blend multiple mental ray materials? Thanks for help! I need it desperately:)

[BrianCampbell]

If you use a shader list within Mental ray (possibly in the diffuse slot), you can do multiple shaders within one shader. The result of the first shader is used as input for the next shader in the list. The final result will be all the different shaders you used in your shader list. So for example you have your SSS shader for the body, and within it is the shader list which contains your displacement map, and you also have your SSS shader for the mouth, with its shader list contain a bump/displacement. And with those two shaders you can blend them together as you had previously. I hope this helps,

[Vilperi]

Thanks for the tip but I came up with another solution. I just added the displacement in the blend's mental ray connection.

Here's an update
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3332/rexdisplacement02qe0.jpg

[Vilperi]

Update...
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5606/rexdisplacement06hs6.jpg

[XRGO]

aaweesome! just need the scales and its gonna be perfect

[Vilperi]

Hehey thanks! I really want this to be feature film quality so all C&C is very welcome:)

[TheJinj]

a)Bring it into ZBrush, get all the scales normal-mapped. This is like a dinosaur with human skin almost. The scales all over the body need to be there!
b)Model the nasal area better...the hole that is now his nose is not doing the job...it looks like someone just cut a long hole in cardboard...there has to be at least a slight ridge to show the fleshy-ness of the area.

Well, if you don't know ZBrush take the time to learn it if you are serious about feature-film quality. It is amazingly easy and gets you awesome results. If not, try to paint a better bump map...use a tiled texture of dino-skin (try iguana skin) in b&w to get the details, then fix it by hand.

Good luck!

[Vilperi]

Hey you guys have rated my rex!:applause: Thanks very much...

Yea without the help of Zbrush it'll never ever be feature film quality. I'm still learning Zbrush so complete displacement and bump will take some time but I'm going to do it!

[Rols574]

very nice model! i agree to much blood on the teeth seems to cliche id get rid of it. on the animation the second one is better but i noticed that when the weight comes down the leg does not "give" i think that secondary motion would add a lot to the animation. also the tail and arms are static as well....give them a bit of movement but dont over do it and the displacement map is kinda blurry i cant help you with that

great job

[Rols574]

this might help you its from metamesh3d

http://www.metamesh3d.com/files/trex_01.jpg

[Squash-n-Stretch]

Thanks very much squas-n-stretch...Don't worry! Ofcourse I'm gonna animate this fellow:)

Don't really know any good tutorials online, but Paul Neale's rigging DVD's have helped me a lot, despite the fact that the DVDs don't concentrate on muscles that much. I recommend purchasing those DVDs if you have some extra cash in your backpocket, and you're a max user that is.

I've discovered some very useful ways to construct muscles in max and I could write a little tutorial thread in the character rigging section if you like:)

That would be brilliant mate. You gonna run the T-Rex through Z-Brush? I find bringing Z-Brush maps back into Max to be a complete pain in the arse, but there is a PDF tut flying around ZBrush central which should give you a bit of insight.

[Vilperi]

I'm going to write a tutorial about muscles once I get my own web page.:)

It's been a while since my last update, so this should be something special. Worked a lot on the displacement, lighting and shading. I started painting the bump map too. A lot of work is still ahead. Detail is the keyword!
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7320/rexieiy5.jpg

[Squash-n-Stretch]

Work on the head is good, work on the legs is great. Add some more to the Shoulder area.

[Vilperi]

Yea it still needs tons of detail. The problem is that my computer is very slow, it can handle only about 600 000 polys in zbrush. I have really hard time creating nice looking, high quality wrinlkes.

[ximage]

hey nice work. need much more detail tho. if ur computeres slow, why not trying to create a bump map to roll in to ur normal map, with Zmapper. it doesn't matter if u ent got the polys to push or pull. so it could be subdivision level 1 and it would still work.

have a look in to it.

hope this helps.

sweeney :thumbsup:

[Squash-n-Stretch]

Yea it still needs tons of detail. The problem is that my computer is very slow, it can handle only about 600 000 polys in zbrush. I have really hard time creating nice looking, high quality wrinlkes.

Forgive me if I'm being patronising...you know you can hide parts of your mesh while Z-Brushin...right? So for example, you can hide everything except the head and increase only that part to 600,000 (and after that, repeat,but lower the subdivision level when the whole mesh is on screen)

[Vilperi]

Yea I know that it is possible to hide parts of the mesh, but that isn't rally so convenient. It takes like 15 minutes to hide, if the subdiv level is higher than 2. I sculpt the mesh in zbrush in pieces, and then combine the displacement maps in photoshop. That's working pretty good.

A little update. Nothing special. Can someone tell me why the mouth gets lit? I have one key light, one fill light and one backlight. All of them have shadows on so that shouldn't happen, right?
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7406/rexienl2.jpg

[FlaminGlow]

I'm sure you will reach this realistic one :

Rols574: this might help you its from metamesh3d

http://www.metamesh3d.com/files/trex_01.jpg

just add more details to your dislacement.

fantastic :thumbsup:

[Squash-n-Stretch]

Hmmm, that's a really weird...whats happening to the mouth there. Maybe it has something to do with with inner mouth skin protruding like it is on the other side of the mouth? Have you got SSS on anything?

Did you unwrap the model in Max before importing to Z-Brush?

[Vilperi]

Hmmm, that's a really weird...whats happening to the mouth there. Maybe it has something to do with with inner mouth skin protruding like it is on the other side of the mouth? Have you got SSS on anything?

Did you unwrap the model in Max before importing to Z-Brush?

Yea, I'm using SSS materials and I did unwrap before importing to Zbrush.

Here's an update again. I think I've found the right direction with the displacement.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6128/rex02fb2.jpg
I have to admit that I fixed the mouth in photoshop, as you can propably see.

[Squash-n-Stretch]

I can see tiny quads at the top of the leg and arm areas. Try a larger texture size.

I'm thinking about buying that Peter Neale boxset, even though it's pricey. Do you think I could get away with completing everything on the DVD without any prior Maxscript knowledge? How much did you pay altogether, including VAT and delivery? :deal:

[Vilperi]

You mean PAUL Neale?:)Well, it was about 250€ for me. Propably much cheaper for you cause you live in Ireland. Doesn't matter if you don't know much MAXscript. There are many tasks that include MAXscript but Paul knows how to explain them so that everyone gets it. I strongly recommend purchasing those DVDs:thumbsup:

[Vilperi]

Nothing new. Just a neat looking render I think. Feel free to comment...
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8242/trexnewjc4.jpg

[Vilperi]

Update on the shading and textures.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2131/rex05jm2.jpg

[mc-fleury]

i think it actually looks like plastic. it looks very good but you should add some subtle details on him like on the t-rex of rols574. also the color and shader of your last render was better, i think(not this render). Not sure if you have zbrush but it should be a good idea to use it, if you have it of course.

keep it up!

[Animasia]

I love the body on your rex, i think all it needs is more detail in the deisplacement and texture and it'll be solid. And perhaps the feet could stand to be a bit bigger and the legs a tad longer. Other than that it looks great. Keep it up!

J

[Vilperi]

Hey thanks Animasia! I've been working on the shader and textures for a few days. Here's an update. A bit tiny render but you'll get the idea..
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3090/newrexmi7.jpg

[Animasia]

The textures look much better. You've got a lot of the larger details like the striations in the legs and back but I think it needs more fine detail. Like bumps and pits in the skin. You still have a lot of areas that are flat. The top jaw looks good at the tip but as you move further from it, you start loosing detail and it goes kinda flat. It's flat in the neck and on the thighs as well. I'm an animator and I have limited experience with zbrush but I think if you made a few custom alphas to use for your displacement you'd be better off. Some for small scratches, some for bumps on the skin. Stuff like that. Looking good!!!

J

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