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mrjosh
03-12-2002, 03:51 AM
Changing this first post to be my update image. My character is an evil stork named Lord Siebbab Live (Evil Babbies backward). He is the brother of the famous baby stork. Lord Siebbab Live brings hellian demon children to deserving families around the world. No concept sketch, flying by the seat of my pants...


http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip1.jpg
Start of the new wings



Thanks
-Josh

mrjosh
03-12-2002, 10:28 PM
I think I'll make him an evil stork. Maybe I'll get more response that way...

He'll be the evil Stork God ... uh ... um ... Lord Siebbab Live. Who brings hellian demon children to people who don't deserve nice kids. I'll work on it today and see what I can come up with.

Suggestions are welcome!!!

:shrug:

Joel Hooks
03-12-2002, 10:42 PM
There is a lot of fatties and man-bosoms in this month's challenge ^^ (mine included)

i think it's because everybody knows that gods are fat and lazy.

I like your Idea. Angry Pelican God of DHOOM. heh

El Tonio
03-13-2002, 12:25 AM
Nice idea !

I think we gonna see a lot of horns, claws, razor teeth and flesh this month... ;) so a bit of poetry would be welcome in my opinion .

Keep it good work :thumbsup:

mrjosh
03-13-2002, 03:07 AM
Thanks for the comments! Hammering away at the arms, legs, and wings! :wip: I'll be posting an update soon...



-Josh

mrjosh
03-13-2002, 04:13 AM
Hey. Here's an update. Having trouble with the hands. Don't quite know what to do. Looking for suggestions and crit on the body. I'm not sure if I like the wings. Any ideas. Also, what about weapons/accessories. Thanks for any help!

:beer:
-Josh

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip2.jpg

mrjosh
03-13-2002, 04:27 AM
Just another image

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip2_2.jpg

mrjosh
03-13-2002, 09:12 AM
An update:

-I reshaped the top of the head a bit.

-I still couldn't figure out what to do with the hands, so I attached the arms to the wings? Kind of cool, but I'm not sure I'll keep it.

-I played around with the wings some more. I'm still not satisfied.

PLEASE let me know what you think. Rip into it. I aint skeered...

Thanks for any comments!

-Josh


http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip3.jpg

El Tonio
03-13-2002, 11:56 AM
Well, on the principal, wings of birds are their arms . So making them join makes sens .

On another point, in the animal world, there is three kind of wings : feathered (birds), skinned (bats, ...), chitinic (insects) .
And in order to be "believable", you should always start from a real thing, even if you extrapolate or modify .
In the case of your model, some probs appear :
On the edges of the wings, those arcs (bat-like) are believable only if there are nervures to make them appear - they are the consequences of the skin tighted between the nervures .
On the wing itself, there shouldn't be pleats, once again because it's a tight surface .

In the overall, I think you should let his arms separated from his wings, but add some arm-like structure to hang the wings (like in real world) . Concerning his hands, I would make them a mix of human hands and bird claws : maybe thin and sharp (long nails ?), maybe four fingers (three and an opposite "thumb").

good continuation ! :wip:

mrjosh
03-13-2002, 05:55 PM
Hey thanks El Tonio. I think you are exactly right. I'm going to try some different arm/wing combos today and see what happens. I'm also thinking about starting over on the wings. I'm not really satisfied with them. Thanks for the excellent help.

-Josh

Hellbring
03-13-2002, 06:06 PM
looking real good man....can i steal those wings from ya :0P

mrjosh
03-13-2002, 07:43 PM
Hellbring: Thanks for the nice words. You can have the wings if you can make me some better ones... ;)

mrjosh
03-14-2002, 02:57 AM
OK, scrapped the wings. I worked on the hands. Tell me what you think. I know they are a lot different than the feet, but I think it makes a neat contrast in styles. He's still a stork, but he's an evil-as-hell-stork. I'm not sure I like the hands, but they are better than nothing. What would you change?

El Tonio: Is this something like what you were talking about? :shrug:

Well, here it is, crit hard. I'll work on the new wings tonight...

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip4.jpg

El Tonio
03-14-2002, 03:13 AM
Yeaaah !!
I like it like that ! It completly sticks to his overall look .

On the crit side, maybe his belly looks a bit too "independant" from his chest (maybe could enlarge a bit on the sides to make it more ?continuous? to the rib cage) .
And now you have cool hands, I think the feet would deserve a "creepier" look .

Waiting to see the evolution of your Stork ! :D

Keep it going good ! :wip:

syntax
03-14-2002, 03:26 AM
awesome... the hands are great, and i still like the head! this is going to be one bad a$$ stork...

el tonio: i agree that the wings should be tight, but then again, other parts of the stork aren't exactly "tight" either. ;) maybe a normal bird wing with aged tears in it would work better... i assume you are going for an evil look to the wings, and webbing the wing was pretty menacing, but it did look more bat-like. good luck, and keep up the nice work!

mrjosh
03-14-2002, 08:16 AM
Another update. Added some evil feet, an evil tail, and evil love handles. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Keep 'em coming. :buttrock:

I'm attaching a wireframe too.

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip5.jpg

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/sc.jpg


NEW WINGS TOMORROW..........

-Josh

KEKS
03-14-2002, 08:20 AM
I really love the upper body and hands keep it up dood
its coming along great.....
keks

El Tonio
03-14-2002, 11:49 AM
The principal of the feet is cool, but there's something tricky about it . I think the toes are too long (in fact it's the base of the foot that is too short : should be a little bit more like the old ones), and the position seems really unstable .

Beside these details, rocks :buttrock: , impatient to see the wings !

mrjosh
03-14-2002, 08:25 PM
El Tonio:

I've had several similar comments about the feet. I think I'll spend a little more time on them, but I'm ready to get back to the wings. I probably won't be able to today though. Thanks for the comments, and keep em coming!

mrjosh
03-14-2002, 10:43 PM
Should his feet be flat like the old ones???:shrug:

-Josh

mrjosh
03-17-2002, 02:54 AM
Hey all. He's got new feet. Set #3. Please let me know if they are an improvement. I'm pretty satisfied with them. I'm working on the wings now. Suggestions on those would be helpful too! Thanks for checking out my thread. :thumbsup:

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip6.jpg

-Josh

Wraith
03-17-2002, 04:25 AM
Very origional idea m8, gratz :applause:

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mrjosh
03-17-2002, 08:26 AM
Still working on the wings. In the meantime:

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/render1.jpg

P.S. I know the shadow is crappy. I'll fix it later.

-Josh

mrjosh
03-17-2002, 08:51 AM
Another render:

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/render2.jpg

El Tonio
03-17-2002, 02:37 PM
Yeah, real improvement about the feet . Maybe the toes should be a little bit different in term of size, to "break" a little bit the "rythme" of the foot .

Sorry for my poor explanation ! :D

Anyway, can't wait to see him on a roof with a good "clair-obscure" lighting and a creepy pose ! With wings ;)

Keep it goin' good !

mrjosh
03-19-2002, 05:45 AM
Here's the start of another attempt at wings. :wip:

Since I don't have a concept sketch (Like an idiot) I'm not really sure where to go with the wings. I think I'll add a couple of loose feathers, maybe torn or something, to go with the already mangled wings. I'll say that he can't fly anymore, and that's why he is fat. Any other ideas????????? :shrug:



http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip7.jpg

mrjosh
03-19-2002, 07:24 AM
I keep replying with only minor changes, but what the hell right? Here's a version with horns...

:wip:


http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wip8.jpg

-Josh

mrjosh
03-19-2002, 08:16 AM
For fun:

http://www.vr.clemson.edu/~tomlinj/wip_march/wire1.jpg

-Josh

Sphere777
03-26-2002, 04:25 AM
I like the style. I would add/focus on the detailing of the knuckles and maybe even on all the joints of the body. (Unless that's a part of the style). Can't wait to see the wings.

-Chuck

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