Races Of Middle Earth - Character - Wiro

[SheepFactory]

Wiro is in , wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :beer:


I was just getting ready to bug you again to join than i saw your entry :D

good luck with modelling man.

[Laa-Yosh]

Yeeees, Wiro's in too! Now somebody call Matt Clark :)

Nice concept there... my only question is, how can anyone be thinner than Gollum? :)

An idea: for the really dark areas, it should use it's other senses too. Namely, hearing and touching - so give him even bigger bat-like ears and large, sensitive fingertips!

[show]

\o/ HURRAH! \o/

good luck with the challenge wiro :)

[Apt Pupil]

oh my, there are so many good people entering this time around:eek:


Nice to see you hop on board Wiro!!

It's a really nice concept you have there so far, a bit simple, but nice. I too am a large fan of large shoulder pads, they always look great on little people:) keep it coming.

Go go go!! :wip: :wip:

[Koma]

really happy to see that you enter ,i cant wait ,i wanna see your model ,its would cool for sure ,good luck:thumbsup:

[lildragon]

AHAHHA man that's ace!!! bring it on Wiro weeeeeeee

:buttrock:

oh btw Matt can't join us, he's way to busy :hmm:

[cerreto]

Hey glad to see someone else rushed a sketch as well ;) i know the model will be great which is why i plan to sabotage your computer ! lol

good to see you wiro !

[Taoizm]

Very cool, and a backstory to boot. Can't wait to see more. :applause:

[KingMob]

damnit another one I need to keep a close view on.

As always wiro has a wicked cool concept in the works...big surprise there...

:beer:

[coCoKNIght]

Oh god, tell me this isn't true, if this is like you say a really rough and crappy Photoshop sketch then don't wanna see what's to come. I'm gonna jump out from the window! :insane: Wait, it's only half a meter to the ground... hmmm... I am trying now for hours to make a decent sketch but I don't even have yet a concrete idea... :sad:
Well, anyway, your sketch rocks :buttrock:, the story is cool... but, HA! Your homepage wasn't updated since 22.10.02! I hope you'll show us soon what you were doing all the time! Oh, and yeah, this time finish the model! :wip:

[Dirk_P_Ho]

So many Artists are joining up this time, This is going to be great!

[ward]

That is great, Wiro here!
Great concept, I like it.

As I see, definitely this challenge will be the best in this year.

[leigh]

WOOOOHOOOOO!! Great to see you in on this one, Wiro :bounce:
And what a cool concept too - I know you're going to make something awesome!!
Looking forward to seeing some more!! :D

[bentllama]

Neat idea. I like his scarf, make it pink. :)

[Remi]

Sometimes you worry me Bent....hehe I guess it's ok for a man to show his lighter side though:thumbsup: :D

I like the concept and the drawing....I'm sure you'll do great in the 3d department Wiro......keep it going..:thumbsup:

[OZ]

YESSSSS......looks like u have a great character here!!! With ur cool style that character will be fantastic in 3d!:bounce: go go go go go go!!

[Virtuoso]

Great to see you will be taking part for this challenge Wiro. It seems that most of the better talent out there are in for this one. Many great pieces of work are about to be born.

The extra large eyes are both perfect and realistic for a cave dweller of the darker regions, large eyes are a requirement for creatures who can see in the dark.:)

It's going to be fun following your progress,very happy to see you in.:thumbsup: :beer:

[Wiro]

Arghhh! The pressure!!! Man, so many replies and I've not even started yet! *revs up 3dsmax*

Coco: yeah, it was a quick 15min sketch and compared to some of the really cool entries here (like Bentllama's) it sucks :D
It took me longer to "shade" it, heh...I'm so rusty in drawing now.
And I can't update my homepage! For some reason I can't upload anything...gotta change host.

Laa-Yosh: bigger ears coming up! I like that idea with the senses ;)

Wiro

[Per-Anders]

cool... keep it coming :)

[Faraguay]

Wiro! (scary? sorry...) Wow... I'm a 3d wannabe and just can't realize that we are in the same challenge... I'm anxious to see what you've prepared for us... Just can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny creature btw...

[UrbanFuturistic]

Originally posted by Remi
Sometimes you worry me Bent.... No, you don't understand, pink is the colour of all evil :p

Be interested to see the results of this, amongst a load of others.

regards, Paul

[Vladvrz]

It's going to be a nice one. The big ears idea is a good one,I thought that too when I first saw it. It kind of looks a little like an alien crash landed on Middlearth and mixed with Gollum somehow,and this is the outcome of there labors.;)
Can't wait to see it finished.:)

[mrmark]

this is gonna be awesome!

[Matt-Clark]

Originally posted by Laa-Yosh
Yeeees, Wiro's in too! Now somebody call Matt Clark :)


Too busy I'm afraid :(, shame though cos this sounds right up my street.

I'll be keeping a close eye on this one....

[rolhionjs]

Interesting character :) Let's see where it goes :)

[MikaelPersson]

I remember something about one pint. Now I realise why.
..pressure.. :twisted:

[SheepFactory]

Smorks are an endangered species , nihahahahahahaha

:D

[Wiro]

LOL, but it WAS one pint, wasn't it? Or did we really stay for 3...4? :D
Damn, and I'd wanted to do some modelling.

I'll get my ass in front of my screen tonight...promise! Gotta think of some weapons against UG the smork stomper!

See here for explanation:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=341470#post341470

Wiro

[fellah]

just came from SheepFactorys thread where I heard about stompers and small creatures, read you description about your little creatures. didn't know he was one of those fast spying freaks to! :surprised :)
but, mine will be so small that they will even be able to peak on your smorks! and tell the Ug's where they are! :cool:

work work work :wip:

[Virtuoso]

Bah............Virtuoso's Bastard stompers eat Ug's as appetizers,and Fellah's Bastards for dessert..............there sooo very sweeeeet. The only problem with Fellahs bastards is that they get caught in the teeth of my beloved Bastard stompers.;) :beer:

But they can pick them out with the bones of past bastard meals. See you soon......and ware the Virtuoso Bastard stompers.:beer:

[Neox]

haha reminds me on the imp fron Dungeonkeeper 1 :)
cool design
/me likes :thumbsup:

[ilasolomon]

:) Hey Wiro, your rock my favorite 3d artist. please finish this one, I beg you! (errr...& I feel envy now!)

[SheepFactory]

where is the update :wip:


I started mine yesterday :)

[levin]

hey you're on the top 50 coolest things in CG... start modelling


NOW

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Wiro]

Top 50 coolest th....what?? (reads up thread)...uh...:surprised
*gulp*

First chance I'll have for an update will be Friday or latest the weekend. Stop the pressure!!! :D

Wiro

[SirManfred]

Hurry, hurry, hurry! :bounce: :bounce:

:P

[Wiro]

This is embarrasing...3 pages of replies without an update...sorry guys :)

Wanted to spend more time on it this weekend but there's always some distraction. Anyway, here's what I got out of around 2h of modelling. I'm not entirely sure about the proportions yet...I'm still tugging around on jawsize, chin, eyes, etc but basically this'll be it.

The ears are only temporary. I stole some off an old model and pulled some verts around. The real ears will be built from scratch.

I don't have a smoothed version yet. I usually model everything "lowpoly" first to get rough forms without trying to make it look good when sudivided as well.

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/front00.jpg

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/back00.jpg

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/bottom00.jpg

Crits very welcome!
Wiro

[SheepFactory]

those ears look tasty :drool: , Ug will be happy.


glad to see you post man , and looking great as always :thumbsup:

[leigh]

Looking cool (obviously), Wiro :thumbsup:
Looking forward to seeing some more modelling!

[Mandrake]

Dont bother smoothing it.. here at CG Talk people could
actually see the smoothed version while looking at low poly;)

looks good so far.. we'll be watching you..:)

[Virtuoso]

Wiro: You and Fellah both have something in common. You both have "Stompers" after your creations......:p

You have Sheep factory's UG's, and Fellah will have my "Bastard Stompers".......the "Scaliwags"( Soon to be shown;) )...........

Your character looks fun,really interesting with those night vision eyes and poisonous spikes..........But you know kind of scary too. Like a tough lil' dude. Better watch him type. Sheep's UG's better watch themselves.;)

You should take a part off of Sheep's Ug's ( Nose,ears,etc,etc...)and place them as little decorations upon your Little beastie, a ring or necklace perhaps....

;) :p

I look forward to your next update.:beer:

[Grub]

Nice work, Wiro - looking forward to the next update. :bounce:

[coCoKNIght]

Looks great! :thumbsup:
Maybe you wanna heighten a bit his cranium like in the sketch?
Looking forward to seeing more of you!

[Raul-Reznek]

Nice to see some ass kickin down here :D

[OZ]

:buttrock:

[rolhionjs]

:buttrock:

[foenix]

:buttrock:

[Wiro]

Errr, ok :hmm:

New update tonight (GMT) I hope!

Wiro

[Mentat7]

:applause: :bowdown: Looking fab!

[Neox]

cool start, but the same problem as in your Tutorial, the skull is to big, his nape is not high enough resp. (in german bzw. ?) the neck area is to round, could you please post a side view, so i can show you what i mean? :)

[Robbert]

wow, very nice beginning, could we see a meshsmooth on it?
You rock! :applause:

[SirManfred]

:buttrock:

[ilasolomon]

:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

[paconavarro]

:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:

[shoey]

hmmm, wheres the update then ayy:shrug: , come on man get on it:wip: ;)

[Wiro]

Err ok guys, you can stop rocking now.
Something has gotten in the way so I won't be able to update anything for at least a full week. I'll try to work full speed towards the end ;)

Wiro

[bentllama]

I hear ya wiro. I am in the same boat. :(

[derelict]

er what boat is that?

[Equinoxx]

you must have a monthly subscription to that boat then Nathan :p

to bad you guys are so busy man. Always a sight for sore eyes to see you guys do y'r thing.

[visualboo]

Looking excellent so far bud. I hope ya finish.

[Sausage]

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

Excellent. Your best ever work, Wiro!

:buttrock:

[Sausage]

Sorry, I meant to say "It's not the work of a human". :applause:

[Russo]

cool! great start!

[TIO_MATT]

We want to see more!!!:bounce: :bounce:
:bounce:

[Wiro]

Go back to your hole, sausage :D

I took up some more modelling today...fiddled around with proportions and edgeplacement. The eyes are much bigger now and I made the mouth smaller. He's got more of a pigsnose as well. Still not quite satisfied with the mouth so that's gonna get an overhaul.
Started with ears and thought I should post an update before I finish them.

As usual, a smoothed version will follow as soon as I've got the rough look I want.

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/front01.jpg

Wiro

[AJ]

"The creatures were hunted to extinction as more and more cobblers used their ears as soles for shoes..."

:p :D

He looks like a friendly gremlin! :D

[show]

lol AJ

nice ears wiro

i woudlnt like to get stuck on a hill in the wind with those though

[coCoKNIght]

Looks awesome as usual thou you must be very busy, you haven't done many modifications to him...

Wanna see more!! :bounce: :D

[shoey]

I think its looking a little too cute at the mo. Sticking with your concept, i think the mouth and snout should be brought forward a bit, and bring the chin up and fatter IMO. also i think the pointy ears on the concept suited better. good start tho:thumbsup:

[Wiro]

New update. Sort of finished ear, changed some mouth geometry, added teeth, hair and warts. First smoothed render.

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/front1_02_02.jpg

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/side1_02_02.jpg

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/back1_02_02.jpg

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/wireframe_02_02.jpg

AJ_23 and show: HAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, maybe the ears are too floppy. I was thinking something along the lines of bats for this instead of elven ears. This guy is little so the ears aren't actually that big :)

Coco: thanks alot man! Yeah I've had a busy week. There aren't many obvious changes because most of them were subtle proportion alterations or me tidying up edges.

Shoey: hehehe, yeah...damn maybe I did make him too cute. The big soft ears don't really help his image as the hard dude of moria. I'm gonna add more edges to the ears next and maybe make his eyes scowl a bit more.
I'm only following the sketch very losely...some things just worked better on paper than in 3D.

Would like to know other people's opinions! Thanks!

Wiro

[mtmckinley]

Very cool! :D

[Sausage]

I like the update, Wiro. The ear hairs are a nice addition. I would suggest, maybe, the addition of more ridges\undulations in the flat area of the giant ears.

Also, will the character have eyelids?

[Neox]

cool update, but the same problem as before, his skull is looking wrong, its too big... (as in your tutorial, its the same mistake)
The face is really cool, but i'd prefer to see some eyelids, and please don't let the wrinkles on his mouth look like scars/cuts, if you wanted em to look like this, ok but this is kinda disturbing me :p

[ilasolomon]

U da Master! :beer: :thumbsup: (feed us more & sooner please!)

[Wiro]

mtmckinley and ila_solomon: Thanks! :)

Sausage: more detail on ear coming up! Eyelids....hm, I was planning on leaving him as is, but on second thought...it would allow him more expressions. Okay eyelids next.

Neox : Thanks. But the skullsize is how i want it. He's not human so there is no "proper" proportion to it. Also as he's supposed to be tiny I wanted to make him a bit childlike in proportions.

Almost the same goes for the tutorial; the girl is not realistic but a bit on the cartoon side. Apart from the larger skull you will have noticed she has very big eyes and a small nose too :)

Those wrinkles aren't scars but layers of skin/muscle that will stretch when the mouth opens. It'll be clear when (if) textured

[Neox]

:)

sure i recognized that your girl ain't realistic, but her skull is going down to her teeth (normaly it ends on the height of the nose), thats looking kinda crazy, but maybe its just my stupid opinion :D

[Fetus23]

Nice little creature you have here Wiro!! Your renders are looking as smooth as usual. I'm liking the hairs and warts. Curious to see how detailed you'll go with this. I await your updates!!!

:beer:
fetus

[rolhionjs]

Wow... That's A model... Very cool hairs, just enough... That's really amazing :) Keep going ! :)

[TIO_MATT]

IT LOOKS LIKE A BAT GOBLIN...COOL!!:bounce:

[Satyricon]

Hello Wiro! We want more!!!!:bounce:

[Sausage]

Wiro is on vacation, so I don't think there will be any imminent updates.

[czen3D]

look great even without texture, fantastic job !!

[Wiro]

Back again...modeled a bit yesterday. Added some detail to the head again. Some changes to nose and mouth, added eyelids, changed ears a bit and fixed the skull thing Neox mentioned.

Also started blocking out the body. What do you think about the proportions? I know it's really rough but it gives an idea of how I want the body to look like.

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/headfront00.jpg

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/lowpoly00.jpg

Maybe I should make the head appear bigger so the small size shows off more?

Wiro

[coCoKNIght]

Hehehe! Looks great! But you don't have much time left... :wip:

[Virtuoso]

I am very impressed once again................I really enjoy your style and creativity,really brilliant.

This guy has top notch written all over him.At first I was a bit apprehensive I must admit.I thought he had potential and knowing your talent I figured he would round out to be another high quality creation. So I said to myself..............Be patient.And yet again patience has proven to be the best virtue.:thumbsup:

The nose is quite original,I really like the fold of flesh/skin over the nostrils,unique/speacial come to mind.

The eye's although not finished show tons of potential as well.I love that over-sized look,particularily with this Lil' beast. I await the gleam and shine in them when you can get to them.
:)

The wispy hair the over sized ears also look great.The ears I thought at first were a bit much..................But as I look upon them now I see they do belong just as they are.Nice shape,the curvature too is very appealing.

Sharp teeth too show he can handle his own within the World of Middle-earth.I hope in time you will show him in a extra pose or two,possibly a smile,or grimace,etc,etc...An animation too would be extra sweet,I'll cross my fingers for that to happen someday.:)

Wiro I don't know if you have seen Fellahs creation,the Lil'Bastard.................I would really like to see both of your creations in a small battle of some kind.They look like they belong together.Both Fantastic,and I think really would be speacial to see together, maybe even as partners doing damage in Middle-earth.

As for the head size............Yes I think that ol' Disney formula of squash and streatch,exxageration would work well with your creation. More size would fit him better,at least in my opinion.

Just a thought but.................Maybe you can shorten the thighs and calves just a wee bit. More of that squat look. I also think that perhaps the arms could be made extra long...........you know a knuckle dragger,long and spindly,with wispy hair and some scaling to the skin,blemishes,splotches of peeling skin, grime and dirt mixed in with a shiney glossiness of what his skin had once been before.

I think too extra long hands with long fingers,large portruding knuckles,boney elbows and knees. Extra thin ankles,to emphasise calves with short but wirey muscles.

Well as you see I have some thoughts,I really am interested in seeing this beautiful lil' guy get to the finish line,if not for this challenge compleatly than afterwards in your free time, ( If you get any ;) ) I think it would be well worth your efforts.

I hope to see more when possible,great thus far,Fantastic in fact,keep going,I;ll keep an eye out for your progress. :applause: :beer:

[ilasolomon]

W...T...H! :love: :drool: :thumbsup: :buttrock: :eek: the design is superb...


"people say this creature is like Arild himself!!, but his ugly version" :D

[mv]

That's a nice little guy! great head, I love those hair... I think the proportions are ok. Keep it up!

[Wiro]

Thanks alot for your reply Virtuoso, the detailed critisizm is very much appreciated!

Hehehe, I know the beginning didn't look like much. I'd never shown the sketch if it hadn't been mandatory ;)
The changes from the first head WIP til now don't look like much but there are still subtle differences that makes it look way more interesting than the *garlg* first steps.

I'm gonna add some more detail to the eye and also model the eyeball (it's just a sphere now) but I'll get back to that when I got the body.

Yeah, the ears looked like slippers before, hahaha, hope they're better now.

I love Fellah's creation! Yeah they could be the good/evil twins :D
I'll give him a pose later...the lowpoly sketch shows him in a more default pose. His normal pose would be on all fours, running a bit like an ape on it's knuckles.
I've given him longer arms and shorter legs now. He'll have huge knuckly hands with long nails too.

I won't finish in time for the challenge but I'll continue working on him outside of it for sure.

Thanks to ila_solomon and m@ too! :D

Here the new proportions; longer arms, bigger head, shorter legs, bigger feet

http://home.tiscalinet.ch/cgtalk/pics/lotr_wip/lowpoly01.jpg

Wiro

[Virtuoso]

:love: :love: ...................I am in love............:drool:

Shorter legs,larger and longer hands and fingers,nails of greater length,bigger head,extra large knuckles,those ears and eyes ...........It's spot on already Fantastic,and with more of your tender loving care I just cannot wait to see this masterpiece in it's final incarnation. I am happy you agree with some of my thoughts. I think he could be a real nice "Mascot" for your site,in fact I know he could be.That would be a nice idea. Well just another thought.

Oh and I love the idea of him running on all fours..... the extra large long arms hands fingers will go great with that thought.Somtimes too I think when he is just at rest I can picture him leaning back on those extra long arms and hands with the hands bent backwards knuckles facing down towards the ground.Yes that's a sweet idea,it's going to be great.

I will keep an eye out for it in the WIp section and your site.Just keep :wip: ..........It's Wonderful already,and with even more time and care it will be really great to see.keep up the fantastic creation of this wonderful character.

:thumbsup: :beer:

[shoey]

The new proportions are great, much better than before:thumbsup:

[mv]

Those new proportions are cool. More cartoony, but it fits the character well:thumbsup:

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