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womanonfire
06-09-2006, 10:17 PM
hello all, i am so impressed with the way these learning forums have progressed. guess its time i tried to learn something myself ;)
so here we are, i'll do my best. I suppose the thing i'd like to most inprove is my overall drawing style, and of course to be able to draw the human form better in general.
i'll start out by posting this image i made earlier tonight of my foot... which i think i broke in a fall today... got me thinking about the anatomy of the foot alot LOL. the pain is in the 5th metatarsal/cubiod bones ;^^

http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-09_21h40_broken_foot_drawing

drawing made in ArtRage.

SpiritDreamer
06-10-2006, 12:08 AM
Hi.....Womanonfire....LOL...I don't have my anatomy books handy, so does that mean that
you sprained your ankle.:eek: ...looks a little swollen on the outside of the upper arch area...soak
in cold water to make swelling go down... :)
GREAT to see your anatomy thread started ...like the technique used for that foot rendering.
Nice job on the foot also...:thumbsup: :scream: :)
Looking forward to seeing more of your work and studies posted here...really like your IMAGINATION...can't wait to see more of it...:) :thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

mybutterflyiris
06-10-2006, 05:20 AM
Ouch! You might want to get that x-rayed. I had an injury that looked similar to that last fall...ended up being a torn ligament.

Anyways, I like how your technique shows the kind of mood you were in.

womanonfire
06-10-2006, 08:42 AM
yes, i am going to get it xray'd on monday. the swelling is gone down today but i still can't walk on it. it could just be a sprain.

thanks for the warm welcome SpiritDreamer :)

I am not quite sure of the best way to begin my anatomy study... I will have to look around at the excercises and challenges in these forums.

http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-10_08h37_Adam_drawing

I like to draw from life. Drawing after photos makes me feel a bit strange... I feel more like i'm looking at this thing that is a photograph and not a 3d object.... maybe this is just some artificial blockage in my mind. But anyway, I'm gonna check the local art school to see if theres some Life Drawing sessions (knowing the schools around here, maybe there are none :()

SpiritDreamer
06-10-2006, 01:54 PM
Hi...Womanonfire...I never worked from photos tell I came to this forum ether...I like to work
from my own imagination mostly....what I CREAT from there, is MINE..and can't be CREATED
by anyone else...it can only COPIED. ....But at the same time, when you stop and think about it, ..all of the GREAT MASTERS throughout history have learned to CREAT by copying what was availible to them...wheather it be from sculptures, master paintings in the past,..
photo's in the present.... photo's of master paintings from the past and present ect. ect.
COPYING is just a way of learning, ...the final goal being to CREAT from what you have learned
by COPYING.
Working from life is also just another form of COPYING,...and is one of the best ways to learn to CREAT.
You might buy a life sized plastic skull from an art store, ...got mine at a joke shop:)
Do COPIES of that skull from all kinds of different angles...seen from below, above, side,
three quarter view ..ect...great to be able to touch and feel the object that you are COPYING....STICKS in your memory better....Master that skull, and it will show through in all the faces that you COPY or CREAT in the future.
You might also get a few mirrors, and set them up so you can see yourself from all different
angles....great way to learn anatomy, without having to pay for a model.
Another great way is to buy a newspaper, find a good spot with a lot of people...sit down
and put your drawing pad on the newspaper, so it can't be seen,..except by you, and
pretend to be reading, while you are actually drawing the people around you...catch them
in the act of liveing...works best when they are not aware that they are being COPIED.
In the end...anything that teaches you is GOOD.. :)
I like that sculpture COPY by the way.:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

womanonfire
06-12-2006, 10:17 PM
that my foot isn't broken. the doctor said i pulled a ligament... sprained it or whatever. so that was good news.

anyway: i promise to get serious about this anatomy thread this week. in the meantime heres a drawing i did while bored in a meeting today :/
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-12_22h10_meeting_man_drawing
yeah, not the way to make progress.

Womball
06-12-2006, 10:27 PM
She has a lot of character! The art rage drawing is pretty cool, looks almost like the real media!

Rebeccak
06-12-2006, 10:28 PM
womanonfire,

Great to see your thread go up! Sorry to hear about your foot, but if it prompted you to join the forum, then it's a good thing. ;)

I would certainly encourage you to attend life drawing sessions if available, but I also think it's great to do Master Copies as you have done, either from life or from photos. See this useful thread with links to Master Copy Resources:

Master Copy Resources (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354836)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354836

You are also most welcome to join in the Open Figure Drawing Workshops:

The most current OFDW is:

Open Figure Drawing Workshop - Sorolla, Zorn, Leon Master Copy - with Rebeccak 017 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=360025&page=1&pp=15)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=360025&page=1&pp=15

A new OFDW will begin June 18th, and they last 4 weeks each ~ anyone may join / leave at any time.

Glad to see your participation here, and looking forward to more. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
06-13-2006, 10:08 AM
hi Rebecca! I will indeed try to participate in the OFDW. Jean-Leon Gerome is in my all time top 10 of painters... but I don't think I'm ready to copy him yet. Think I'll go for one of the model photos.

I'm very stupid busy all the time so I'm doing quick gesture drawings to (procrastinate) erm, relax ;)
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-13_10h02_minute_women_gesture

Rebeccak
06-16-2006, 01:48 AM
womanonfire,

The next OFDW starts on Sunday night, and you are most welcome to join in when you find the time! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
06-16-2006, 10:02 PM
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-16_22h01_OFDW17-hongly

Rebeccak
06-16-2006, 10:23 PM
womanonfire,

Good to see the start of this! :) I think what mainly needs to be added are the midtones ~ right now the values are all a bit light. You might even add a color layer on top of everything and set the blending mode to color, then play with the hue / saturation and opacity of that layer, then paint on top.

Looking forward to seeing your progress! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
06-17-2006, 10:22 PM
that was a good suggestion rebecca! hopefully the contrast is better now.
i'm having trouble with the color. seems i can get shapes pretty well but the color needs work. for better or worse i switched from working in photoshop to artrage. artrage is just more interesting to work in sometimes. i'll try to find a few hours to finish tomorrow.
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-17_22h18_OFDW17-hongly

SpiritDreamer
06-18-2006, 01:17 AM
Hi....Womanonfire...:thumbsup:

Really like those brush strokes....nice painterly look to it...you might want to give more ankle structure to the foot that is further back in space, and make the forground foot bigger, with
more of an arch on top, leading into her toes...creates those nice graceful curves..GREAT JOB SO FAR...:applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
06-18-2006, 04:07 PM
womanonfire,

Definitely an improvement here! :) I think that you might try that trick even multiple times, to get the right tone that you want. The mistake folks often make is to think that 'light' skin is really light in value, when, if you grayscale an image of someone lightskinned, you actually see that the tones fall in the mid~gray range, particularly in the core shadows and shadows. I would suggest adding a reddish layer to this and playing with the Blending Modes further.

I think another thing you might play with are the edges of the figure. Many of them look sharp, and you want the body do have a softer feel. Use the shortcuts Shift + [ to soften your brush, and Shift + ] to make your brush harder.

Looking forward to seeing your updates! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
06-18-2006, 08:40 PM
i think my issue wsa that shes so pale... only thing i've ever painted on computer before was myself ;) it was difficult to get the balance right. also... wow i never realized how hard it is to paint breasts! i wonder if anyone's ever made a breast painting tutorial? very interesting but complex shape, lighting-wise. So here it is, i'm calling this finished, though I could work on it a lot longer. I'll post it in the main OFDW thread too.
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-18_20h36_OFDW17-honglyfinal

SpiritDreamer
06-20-2006, 12:41 PM
:) Hi....Womanonfire.....:thumbsup:

Really like the way you turned that photo into a painting, and kept all those brushstrokes alive.
Also like the way you touch that foot to the frame...nice touch.....keeps the figure from floating...grounds it, and really inhances the composition.....:thumbsup: ....GREAT JOB

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
06-20-2006, 07:10 PM
womanonfire,

I think this turned out great, and it was great to see you do this so quickly at the end of the Workshop! :) Lol about a breast painting tutorial, in a way that's not a bad idea, and I can imagine there'd be a high degree of interest. ;)

Keep up the good work, and hope to see your partication in OFDW 018! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
06-21-2006, 09:34 AM
hey Glenn, thanks for the crit!
At first I was a bit disliking the "paintedness" but it felt best to make it that way and i think it turned out better for it. I'm glad you appreciate it too.
I never quite learned how to paint in art school. i always gravitated towards drawing and sculpture and since i've been doing digital work i was photographing and collaging and making 3d models, but not much real painting. I am feeling those limitations... I'd love to learn more about how to mix real oil paints and handle a brush and all that now. Would be really nice.

Rebecca, you can bet I'll be participating in OFDW18! Circe is handing me her cup already!
But firstly, I gotta play with the Frans Hals because those guys are pimp as hell! ;)

http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-21_09h12_OFDW18-hals

this is a very messy one but great fun to try to find the pose while drawing... to find their center of gravity.

Rebeccak
06-22-2006, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by womanonfire: I gotta play with the Frans Hals because those guys are pimp as hell!
LOL, I never would have associated Hals with 'pimp as hell' but it works for me :D ~ looking forward to seeing this updated! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
06-24-2006, 07:53 PM
http://www.auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-06-24_19h14_OFDW18-Waterhouse-Circe-detail

so i worked on her quite alot today, learning things you only can when doing a Master Copy, such as...

the her right nipple lines up perfectly with her big toe:
http://auriea.org/images/OFDW/2-waterhouse-circe_nippletoe.jpg

her face was a nightmare to paint. mainly because of the foreshortened nose and such a shadow 0.0 ! i had to make a new scan to paint from because i couldn't see the details. i think i almost got it, but i want to capture that perfect bitch look on her face... like she's saying "c'mon sucker, take the cup, y'know you want it." it's not quite a sneer but definitely filled with attitude. love it.

i had painted the arm holding out the cup to perfection then i drew a guide only to notice that i had her arm too high up :( this almost made me cry but i just cut and paste moved it over and cleaned it up a bit... i will have to work on painting more cleanly in general too. my style is very loose but i want to get better at details. so yeah.

in the meantime i also checked some anatomy books out of the library today, so maybe i can practice some bone drawing, or something.

YMS
06-24-2006, 08:13 PM
learning things you only can when doing a Master Copy, such as...

What an observation...:thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
06-25-2006, 01:09 PM
Hi...Womanonfire...:)

GREAT JOB on that so far......you might want to mix a little yellow and purple, with a tad of red, green and blue to creat a nice warm golden color for the shadow areas of her skin, ..those
shades of gold, will make her radiate senuallity, with thier warmth.....just a thought..:)
Really looking forward to seeing how this turnes out...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
06-26-2006, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by womanonfire: i had painted the arm holding out the cup to perection then i drew a guide only to notice that i had her arm too high up :( this almost made me cry but i just cut and paste moved it over and cleaned it up a bit... i will have to work on painting more cleanly in general too. my style is very loose but i want to get better at details. so yeah.
Hey there, don't cry ~ crying is for traditional work, where the painful mistakes we all make are irreversible. ;) With digital work, it is expected that you will shift things around, so make the best use of the tools as they're meant to be used (within reason, a fine line, heh). :)

Keep going with this ~ you've got a great start. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
07-03-2006, 08:52 PM
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-03_20h45_limits_of_two_revisited

daWinky
07-04-2006, 07:58 AM
Hey Auriea,

I've already seen your work with the photo reference in the OFDW, congrats for this! I agree with Glenn, the painterly look of it is just great:thumbsup: ! And your Circe is already coming along very nice, I like your loose style...looking forward to see more!

-sabrina

Rebeccak
07-04-2006, 09:33 AM
wof,

Liking the foreground head ~ I think if you slow down with each stroke and create all similar strokes in the same direction (never scribbling) you will really get a better feel to the overall drawing. :)

Looking forward to more updates!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

erilaz
07-05-2006, 05:37 AM
This thread is so full of tasty goodness I think I burst my eye-stomach. Very well done womanonfire!:D

womanonfire
07-07-2006, 09:06 PM
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-07_20h59_FiftyHeads-079

thanks for the encouragement. i can sure use it ;)

Rebecca, re: "scribbling"
I think i'm so used to being in a rush with things (because of my workwork) that even when I'm trying to take my time I STILL act like I'm in a hurry LOL =)
I'll pay attention to the strokes more. thx!

womanonfire
07-07-2006, 10:34 PM
This painting is beyond me. I've got no control. Don't think I will have time to finish it. Waterhouse was a true master. I've gained alot of appreciation for his work.

http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-07_22h30_OFDW18-Waterhouse-Circe

Rebeccak
07-08-2006, 06:43 PM
womanonfire,

The Portrait is looking great ~ you have a solid grasp of values, and I'd love to see more of these. :)

With respect to the OFDW piece, I think what you're lacking more than control (I don't get that sense) is time ~ I'm sure given more of it, you could really develop this piece further, certainly the areas that you've spent time on are looking great! :)

Hope to see more of your Portaits. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

womanonfire
07-08-2006, 10:30 PM
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-08_22h25_FiftyHeads-096

http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-08_22h26_FiftyHeads-096-detail

i think working at a much higher resolution helped!
300dpi at about 11 inches across 15 inches high.
i.need.more.RAM. =)

and you're right, to do this a bit seriously, more time too would help. but for now, its gonna have to be in-between things.

womanonfire
07-09-2006, 08:06 AM
10:05am
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-09_10h05_FiftyHeads-096-detail


11:38am
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-09_11h38_FiftyHeads-096-detail

womanonfire
07-09-2006, 07:35 PM
fooling around in my sketchbook.

http://www.auriea.org/index.pl/SketchBook/download/Book32_Page11

Rebeccak
07-10-2006, 05:42 AM
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-09_10h05_FiftyHeads-096-detail

I think this piece is looking great ~ if you are running short on time, it might be really cool to see you develop this into a finished piece. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
07-10-2006, 10:40 AM
Hi.....Womanonfire....:)

Totally agree with Rebecca....that portrait is a very strong piece...so far....easy to tell when
the artist is inspired by the piece they are creating, and that is the most important element in
GREAT ART by far.....hope you can finish that one...would look GREAT in your portfollio...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

womanonfire
07-11-2006, 11:15 PM
http://auriea.org/index.pl/download/2006-07-12_01h13_FiftyHeads-096

Rebeccak
07-12-2006, 03:30 AM
womanonfire,

Great to see your progress on this! :) Really liking the choice of background color, and hope to see you spend more time on this piece. Right now, I think the bkgrd is a bit too distracting ~ the main focus really should be the face. Also it would be great to see the body, clothing, and turban developed to the same level as the face, with the bkgrd calmed yet still providing a supportive contrast to the figure.

It will be great to see you take this to the next level! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

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