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RobertoOrtiz
06-09-2006, 05:21 PM
Some background: Wikipedia: Hot Coffee mod (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuon6n4lErUgBSOZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2MWxuOGlzBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNjY2Xzc2/SIG=11v807qrf/EXP=1149956474/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_mod)
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"Take-Two Interactive Software Inc., publishers of the popular video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges for failing to disclose that animated sex scenes were hidden on the discs.

The deal requires Take-Two and Rockstar Games Inc., the developer of the game, to properly notify consumers of racy content on future games and not to misrepresent rating or content descriptions.

The companies face fines of up to $11,000 per violation if they violate the order, once it becomes final.

When the lurid content was first discovered, the two companies initially said it was the work of third-party video game modifiers.

They later acknowledged it was their work after The Associated Press tracked down a Dutch programmer who developed software to unlock the sex scenes. The companies said the content was never meant to be accessed by consumers during normal game play.

"

>>LINK<< (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060608/ap_on_hi_te/ftc_video_game_sex)
-R

Gentle Fury
06-09-2006, 10:22 PM
but it was prefectly fine that you could run up to an old lady, shoot her in the face, take her money and steal her car in broad daylight while shooting police helicopters with a rocket launcher.....but some really poorly rendered (fully clothed) sex scenes and your in trouble!!! what a country we live in....

jason manley
06-10-2006, 12:36 PM
werd.................................

Ed Bittner
06-10-2006, 02:08 PM
but it was prefectly fine that you could run up to an old lady, shoot her in the face, take her money and steal her car in broad daylight while shooting police helicopters with a rocket launcher.....but some really poorly rendered (fully clothed) sex scenes and your in trouble!!! what a country we live in....

What he said.........
E.

DDS
06-10-2006, 02:25 PM
I second you gentle fury...pretty sad. Law is like an old sci-fi movie that needs a "remake", because things don't make sense nowadays.

Szos
06-10-2006, 04:21 PM
but it was prefectly fine that you could run up to an old lady, shoot her in the face, take her money and steal her car in broad daylight while shooting police helicopters with a rocket launcher.....but some really poorly rendered (fully clothed) sex scenes and your in trouble!!! what a country we live in....

quoted for agreement.

Overall just plain pathetic. I guess Baby Jesus running this country hates "sex" more than a murderous rampage.

flipnap
06-10-2006, 07:50 PM
All typical reactions here. Point is they never hid the fact that the game had murderous rampages. Thats the game. If they had disclosed from the get that there was sexual content as well, all would be fine. This hasnt got a THING to do with content, and thats where you are all wrong. This has EVERY thing to do with deceipt. Some crafty coder stuck those shots in there and the corporate heads missed it. They got punched for it and now they pay. It about quality control. You guys can sit here all you want and be sarcastic about how the US culture is permissive of violence, but sex is taboo. In the end its not about either, its about corporate politics and what new creative ways they can squeeze companies for money. As long as we sit here and dribble about the insignificants, the corporate raiders will smile. So someone please continue this thread with a post about Janet Jacksons nipple so the corporations can get back to raping the economy.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 07:56 PM
Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).

flipnap
06-10-2006, 08:02 PM
Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).



I concur, but you know as well as I whats really going on out there, so lets not hold our breath and just keep on keeping on :thumbsup:

SunDog101
06-10-2006, 09:37 PM
Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).

I totally agree with this statment!

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 10:26 PM
Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).

lol, yes because games are such a morally invoking substance on society right? We play games for fun and to escape from everyday life, you want something morally right go pickup a Bible Bar and go to Sunday School, don't ruin others right to have a little fun and enjoyment because you're a tight-ass :)

People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!

All typical reactions here. Point is they never hid the fact that the game had murderous rampages. Thats the game. If they had disclosed from the get that there was sexual content as well, all would be fine. This hasnt got a THING to do with content, and thats where you are all wrong. This has EVERY thing to do with deceipt. Some crafty coder stuck those shots in there and the corporate heads missed it. They got punched for it and now they pay. It about quality control. You guys can sit here all you want and be sarcastic about how the US culture is permissive of violence, but sex is taboo. In the end its not about either, its about corporate politics and what new creative ways they can squeeze companies for money. As long as we sit here and dribble about the insignificants, the corporate raiders will smile. So someone please continue this thread with a post about Janet Jacksons nipple so the corporations can get back to raping the economy.

well, nobody hid this content either. Everyone knows that content gets cut, added and deleted on the fly in any story based game and the easiest way to do this is just null out the code for the scenario and write over it. Is it Rockstar's fault that some guy managed to crack the code open for it? Not in the slightest, if that was the case then we might as well prosecute car companies for car thefts because hey they didn't fully lock out a glitch in their security system or hide a wire properly. Fact is, parents want someone to blame for themselves for their lack of parenting.

my $0.10

Pollo
06-10-2006, 10:32 PM
lol, yes because games are such a morally invoking substance on society right? We play games for fun and to escape from everyday life, you want something morally right go pickup a Bible Bar and go to Sunday School, don't ruin others right to have a little fun and enjoyment because you're a tight-*** :)

People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!

my $0.10

I don't think roaming around a 3d city, hiring a prostitute, then killing her to get my money back is my definition of fun. Also, for some "strange" reason I think your opinion is biased.

LoTekK
06-10-2006, 10:36 PM
you want something morally right go pickup a Bible Bar and go to Sunday School, don't ruin others right to have a little fun and enjoyment because you're a tight-ass :)

People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!
Quoted for agreement. Society's always had some scapegoat to blame, whether it's art, books, movies, music, videogames. Nobody ever takes responsibility for their own actions, for their poor upbringing of their kids, or simply for the bullshit they knowingly pull. And throughout history, we've always had criminals trying to lay the blame on these outlets. And some of it works, simply because society wants their scapegoats. Self-fulfilling prophecies, anyone?

Is it Rockstar's fault that some guy managed to crack the code open for it?
Then there's the first thing that popped into my head when this first hit. Doesn't part of the EULA we all agree to when we first install a game refer to in no way reverse-engineering or otherwise tampering with the code?

flipnap
06-10-2006, 10:38 PM
People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!



Wrong thread man. Were not talking about someone doing someone else harm because of a game. Sorry.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 10:38 PM
well, nobody hid this content either. Everyone knows that content gets cut, added and deleted on the fly in any story based game and the easiest way to do this is just null out the code for the scenario and write over it. Is it Rockstar's fault that some guy managed to crack the code open for it? Not in the slightest, if that was the case then we might as well prosecute car companies for car thefts because hey they didn't fully lock out a glitch in their security system or hide a wire properly. Fact is, parents want someone to blame for themselves for their lack of parenting.

my $0.10


So it's the parents fault that RS put the wrong ESRB rating on a game? A lot of parents will buy a game rated M for their teens (Metal Gear Solid for example) but they surely would NOT (a good parent that is) buy a game rated AO. If you sell a 15 year old kid a DVD with a game on it, but hid away in 40 folders is pornographic material, whose fault is it if the 15 year old finds it?

I guess, according to your logic, it's the kids fault for searching through his own game disk/DVD?

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 10:42 PM
I don't think roaming around a 3d city, hiring a prostitute, then killing her to get my money back is my definition of fun. Also, for some "strange" reason I think your opinion is biased.

Refer to the tight-ass comment :) You can call my opinion biased all you want, that's not going to change the fact that I'm just telling you the honest truth from a realistic perspective and not what some bible is feeding you. I don't find Monopoly or The Game Of Life that much fun, so obviously our interests vary greatly here.

charleyc
06-10-2006, 10:43 PM
We play games for fun and to escape from everyday life...

If that is really your desire of escape from everyday life then I truly feel sorry for you. It saddens me that we live in a world (not just this country) that finds this content humorous and worthy of reenactment for leisure. That being said, please don't attack/belittle biblical morality based on your twisted sense of entertainment.

If you feel that this content is worthy of this worlds attention, don't get upset when you find that everyone doesn't agree with it.

flipnap
06-10-2006, 10:48 PM
I'm just telling you the honest truth from a realistic perspective and not what some bible is feeding you



i smell threads closing.. serioulsy man relax, theres no need for talking to people like that. We all have our own beliefs and disbeliefs. Dont start disrespecting people as a defense mechanism, its uncalled for.

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 10:49 PM
So it's the parents fault that RS put the wrong ESRB rating on a game? A lot of parents will buy a game rated M for their teens (Metal Gear Solid for example) but they surely would NOT (a good parent that is) buy a game rated AO. If you sell a 15 year old kid a DVD with a game on it, but hid away in 40 folders is pornographic material, whose fault is it if the 15 year old finds it?

I guess, according to your logic, it's the kids fault for searching through his own game disk/DVD?

Wrong ESRB? Obviously you're clueless on how the process works so lemme break it down for you.

Game is submitted to the review board.
Game is played
Rating is generated based on board committees review
Rating is given, boxes are labelled, product is shipped.

The AO rating was complete bullshit because the ESRB ****ed up and didn't take into account other circumstances. Again, instead of taking the heat themselves they played corporate pass the buck, typical bullshit scenario. The EULA strictly prohibits ANYONE from modifying existing game code on ANY front whatsoever so that content in no way is legitimate evidence used against them. Period.

If the code is "hidden" or locked off/commented like lots of code is for almost any game out there then it's the crackers fault. Read your EULA :)

Pollo
06-10-2006, 10:49 PM
Refer to the tight-*** comment :) You can call my opinion biased all you want, that's not going to change the fact that I'm just telling you the honest truth from a realistic perspective and not what some bible is feeding you. I don't find Monopoly or The Game Of Life that much fun, so obviously our interests vary greatly here.

If more people played Monopoloy the economy of the US and Canada would be in much better condition, but that's a side issue (I haven't played the game in about 4 years though)

I like playing Call of Duty 2, Battlefield 2, etc. Those are fun games, yet they don't have illegal material (yes, it's illegal because no one under 18 in the US allowed to buy such material, yet someone 16-17 can buy GTA). Having a moral foundation (absolutes) is the "glue" that holds societies together. It was what Rome lacked shortly before it fell.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 10:51 PM
Wrong ESRB? Obviously you're clueless on how the process works so lemme break it down for you.

Game is submitted to the review board.
Game is played
Rating is generated based on board committees review
Rating is given, boxes are labelled, product is shipped.

The AO rating was complete bullshit because the ESRB ****ed up and didn't take into account other circumstances. Again, instead of taking the heat themselves they played corporate pass the buck, typical bullshit scenario. The EULA strictly prohibits ANYONE from modifying existing game code on ANY front whatsoever so that content in no way is legitimate evidence used against them. Period.

If the code is "hidden" or locked off/commented like lots of code is for almost any game out there then it's the crackers fault. Read your EULA :)

How many teens/kids playing or buying a game (1) care to read the EULA (2) follow it even if they did?

I realize the ESRB system is "voluntary" (so the gaming comm. wouldn't be forced into a rating system), but I'm sure the "Hot Cofee" scene wasn't a part of the game they played, was it?

LoTekK
06-10-2006, 10:52 PM
I like playing Call of Duty 2, Battlefield 2, etc. Those are fun games
Whatever happened to "Though shalt not kill"?

How many teens/kids playing or buying a game (1) care to read the EULA (2) follow it even if they did?
How many serial killers (1) read the section of law covering murder, (2) follow it even if they did?

I'm sure the "Hot Cofee" scene wasn't a part of the game they played, was it?
It also wasn't part of the game you as the consumer was supposed to play. That's what you're not getting.

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 10:54 PM
If that is really your desire of escape from everyday life then I truly feel sorry for you. It saddens me that we live in a world (not just this country) that finds this content humorous and worthy of reenactment for leisure. That being said, please don't attack/belittle biblical morality based on your twisted sense of entertainment.

If you feel that this content is worthy of this worlds attention, don't get upset when you find that everyone doesn't agree with it.

My twisted sense of entertainment, haha that's a good one, really :) I'm not attacking so much as I am looking at it as your crutch to base your opinions on.

If you DON'T feel this content is worthy of the worlds attention then do the rest of the world who has a sense of humour and an idea of fun a favour and just go about your everyday life :)

Lets all savour the moment with a delicious...

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_aug2004/BibleBar.jpg

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 10:58 PM
How many teens/kids playing or buying a game (1) care to read the EULA (2) follow it even if they did?

I realize the ESRB system is "voluntary" (so the gaming comm. wouldn't be forced into a rating system), but I'm sure the "Hot Cofee" scene wasn't a part of the game they played, was it?

By hitting that big "Accept" key you agree by-law to have read and understand the EULA... whether you choose to do read it or not is entirely up to you but once you hit the accept button, you've signed the dotted line.

The hot coffee scene didn't exist period, I've worked on many games where areas of games have been commented out due to content size restrictions and whatnot so the code is essentially rendered as "inactive" unless you modify/alter it. Like I said before, once that is done then the honus is off the publisher and goes straight to the guy who cracked it for violating the EULA.

womanonfire
06-10-2006, 11:00 PM
M.E.L.
you're acting like a psycho.
in public.
chill out.

disclaimer: my opinions DO NOT represent those of my employer.
proove it.

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 11:04 PM
If more people played Monopoloy the economy of the US and Canada would be in much better condition, but that's a side issue (I haven't played the game in about 4 years though)

This is a joke right? Please tell me it's a joke...


I like playing Call of Duty 2, Battlefield 2, etc. Those are fun games, yet they don't have illegal material (yes, it's illegal because no one under 18 in the US allowed to buy such material, yet someone 16-17 can buy GTA). Having a moral foundation (absolutes) is the "glue" that holds societies together. It was what Rome lacked shortly before it fell.

So you're cool with shooting other people, blowing them up and whatnot but a little additional violence in a video game is completely against your morals? Interesting concept to say the least.

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 11:05 PM
M.E.L.
you're acting like a psycho.
in public.
chill out.


proove it.

hahahaha... this quote is actually almost worth signature status :) And prove what, that my opinions don't represent my employer, that's what the disclaimer is for... shall I spell it out for you?

LoTekK
06-10-2006, 11:06 PM
but a little additional violence in a video game is completely against your morals? Interesting concept to say the least.
Well, that and the pixellated nipples. Not the pixellated nipples! :eek:

imashination
06-10-2006, 11:09 PM
Won't somebody please think of the children!?

It is all terribly entertaining that the main complaint is not that you can have sex with a prostitute, blow her head clean off with a shotgun (previously stolen from a police officer after stabbing him to death with a knife) and then take your money back. Nor is is the problem with the fact that you can then hunt down her pimp, ram him to death with an ambulance and steal the dead hooker's wages from last week.

Nay, the problem is that the intentionally removed scene where you have sex with a woman who doesn't want paying, can be re-added to the game with a third party hack; which raises the age limit by a whole year. All those poor 17 year old whos have been corrupted...

Anyhoo, im off back to my murder simulator

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 11:09 PM
Well, that and the pixellated nipples. Not the pixellated nipples! :eek:

yeah man... oh noes, pixelated nipples... better hide all those victoria secret ads on billboards too. Lets just drive society completely into a sheltered, naive state of mind so that we can work off the "see no evil, hear no evil" methodology and everyone will grow up morally sound.

flipnap
06-10-2006, 11:10 PM
Wow, i dont know why im still surprised at how hurtful and disrespectful people can be. I guess no matter how nice i can ask or diplomatic i can be with requests people will still remain indignant and try their best to insult and hurt instead of discuss. Real class act, man.

LoTekK
06-10-2006, 11:12 PM
Nay, the problem is that the intentionally removed scene where you have sex with a woman who doesn't want paying, can be re-added to the game with a third party hack; which raises the age limit by a whole year. All those poor 17 year old whos have been corrupted...
Y'know, now that you break it down that way, it's all become so clear.

...
Now where the hell is my San Andreas?

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 11:14 PM
Y'know, now that you break it down that way, it's all become so clear.

...
Now where the hell is my San Andreas?

Sorry, San Andreas got removed off the shelves and replaced with Sing Along With Jesus: The Hymns.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 11:18 PM
Whatever happened to "Though shalt not kill"?



Wonderful Red Herring, but if you want an answer. . . .

Simply go look up the meaning of the Hebrew word ratsach, which is the word for "murder" in this verse, Exodus 20:13

Isn't it amazing how I simply put forth some reasonable logic and you jump to attacking my personal beliefs, that I haven't even mentioned? Sure, I'm not ashamed of my Christianity, but I don't enjoy having people attacking it rather than dealing with the issue at hand.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 11:20 PM
This is a joke right? Please tell me it's a joke...
*****
So you're cool with shooting other people, blowing them up and whatnot but a little additional violence in a video game is completely against your morals? Interesting concept to say the least.


Games like Call of Duty 2 are historical games that show what was necessary to defeat the evil at the time (Hitler). Battlefield 2 is another war scenario where you play opposing nations. War isn't evil. Sure, war isn't fun, something we should try to avoid, but it's going to happen.

TheLostVertex
06-10-2006, 11:23 PM
Games like Call of Duty 2 are historical games that show what was necessary to defeat the evil at the time (Hitler). Battlefield 2 is another war scenario where you play opposing nations. War isn't evil. Sure, war isn't fun, something we should try to avoid, but it's going to happen.

Im sure you are just waiting for that new crusades video game to come out then arent you :D

-Steven

flipnap
06-10-2006, 11:23 PM
Pollo. Your best bet is to just check out of this one. Trying to explain to a blind man the importance of color is a moot point. I was really hoping someone from rockstar would be able to expand the conversation about the goods and bads of this whole lawsuit but insulting peoples relgious beliefs seems to be the only interest here. really confusing but i guess the playground is still open. Seriously, just check out. God bless and have fun going round and round..

Pollo
06-10-2006, 11:24 PM
This is a joke right? Please tell me it's a joke...

Go do some reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_%28game%29) then question my statement regarding Monopoly.

imashination
06-10-2006, 11:24 PM
Sure, war isn't fun, something we should try to avoid, but it's going to happen.

If war isnt fun, why do you play them? for the historical educational value?

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 11:25 PM
Wonderful Red Herring, but if you want an answer. . . .

Simply go look up the meaning of the Hebrew word ratsach, which is the word for "murder" in this verse, Exodus 20:13

Isn't it amazing how I simply put forth some reasonable logic and you jump to attacking my personal beliefs, that I haven't even mentioned? Sure, I'm not ashamed of my Christianity, but I don't enjoy having people attacking it rather than dealing with the issue at hand.

Please, save the verses for church man; you know the rules here. In my opinion your signature alone is pushing the boundaries as is with what's allowed here. You're entitled to your opinion just like the rest of us are here man, nobody is above anyone else here in debating so it's not like we're attacking you over it; we just prefer to keep any and all bible thumping to a bare minimum if we can.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 11:26 PM
If war isnt fun, why do you play them? for the historical educational value?

Real war isn't fun, and it's something that will stay with you. My late grandfather had to take several different types of pills due to the things he saw while in Korea fighting for the US.

Playing a game like COD2 just (as much as possible for a game) puts you in the shoes of our forefathers who did what they had to do to ensure freedom, and save millions of lives.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 11:27 PM
Im sure you are just waiting for that new crusades video game to come out then arent you :D

-Steven

Straw man fallacy, wonderful! These are adding up!

IMO, Christianity and the Church of Rome are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Pollo
06-10-2006, 11:28 PM
Pollo. Your best bet is to just check out of this one. Trying to explain to a blind man the importance of color is a moot point. I was really hoping someone from rockstar would be able to expand the conversation about the goods and bads of this whole lawsuit but insulting peoples relgious beliefs seems to be the only interest here. really confusing but i guess the playground is still open. Seriously, just check out. God bless and have fun going round and round..

Yeah, you're right. I'm out, :)

emeyers
06-10-2006, 11:29 PM
I don't think roaming around a 3d city, hiring a prostitute, then killing her to get my money back is my definition of fun. Also, for some "strange" reason I think your opinion is biased.

Wow, thanks for that incredible anecdotal evidence! I'll be sure to let my friends know that GTA is, in fact, not fun. What the hell was I thinking when I played and enjoyed those games?

There is a market for mature rated games and films and literature alike. Just because you have a moral objection to some of it doesn't mean everybody feels the same. Get off your high horse

And I hope you realize that not all German soldiers during WW2 were evil Nazis. Those games simply sensationalize war and the killing of people for fun, yet I guess they are alright because "war happens," and the enemies are always the "evil" ones

M.E.L.
06-10-2006, 11:43 PM
Yeah, you're right. I'm out, :)

http://www.christianshirts.net/images/designs/small/army150.gif

im out too, i think the points have been made clear enough now :)

ParamountCell
06-10-2006, 11:51 PM
http://www.christianshirts.net/images/designs/small/army150.gif

im out too, i think the points have been made clear enough now :)

Shawn, relax dude... Just because some one finds what is happening in GTA offensive, doesnt mean you should mock his religious beliefs.

M.E.L.
06-11-2006, 12:16 AM
Shawn, relax dude... Just because some one finds what is happening in GTA offensive, doesnt mean you should mock his religious beliefs.

Nah there was no mocking meant by that one in all honesty, it was more of a lighthearted joke towards his comment of being Christian and playing BF2. If I was mocking it would've been much worse, just wanted to put a little lighthearted spin on the thread :thumbsup:

charleyc
06-11-2006, 01:19 AM
...I'm not attacking so much as I am looking at it as your crutch to base your opinions on...

You are blatantly mocking the morality of the bible and those who believe in it. In this community I am forbidden to openly proclaim what I believe in regards to the bible, I should think you should fall under the same rules. It is very apparent from your conversations that you do not share the belief I or others do. I am sure you have some friends who don't see things eye to eye with you, and I would like to imagine you do not treat them in this manner. Please try to refrain from doing it here. If nothing else, as a professional courtesy.

Aside from religious issues, let me perhaps clarify where others may be coming from. I had a motorcycle stolen from me, I didn't like it very much. I have a close relative who was raped. She doesn't laugh about it, I don't laugh about it, no one I knows laughs about it and wants to make fun with it. I am certain that anyone who has lost a loved one to a murderer, does not enjoy the thought of it, nor would find any 'humor' in the GTA games. GTA makes very light of situations that are very real and very very unsavory. The character played in the game is the epitome of what this world does not want or need. There will be many people who will find offense (sometimes maybe even personal offense) to this and other games like it. The issue with the ratings was no doubt spurred on by many other people who do not share this type of 'humor'. Religion aside, you will still find people who are abhorred by the realities this game portrays.

Shall I crawl under my rock and pretend this stuff is OK. I do not believe so. I don't want my kids to ever mistake where I stand on these kinds of issues.

ParamountCell
06-11-2006, 01:38 AM
You are blatantly mocking the morality of the bible and those who believe in it. In this community I am forbidden to openly proclaim what I believe in regards to the bible, I should think you should fall under the same rules. It is very apparent from your conversations that you do not share the belief I or others do. I am sure you have some friends who don't see things eye to eye with you, and I would like to imagine you do not treat them in this manner. Please try to refrain from doing it here. If nothing else, as a professional courtesy.

Aside from religious issues, let me perhaps clarify where others may be coming from. I had a motorcycle stolen from me, I didn't like it very much. I have a close relative who was raped. She doesn't laugh about it, I don't laugh about it, no one I knows laughs about it and wants to make fun with it. I am certain that anyone who has lost a loved one to a murderer, does not enjoy the thought of it, nor would find any 'humor' in the GTA games. GTA makes very light of situations that are very real and very very unsavory. The character played in the game is the epitome of what this world does not want or need. There will be many people who will find offense (sometimes maybe even personal offense) to this and other games like it. The issue with the ratings was no doubt spurred on by many other people who do not share this type of 'humor'. Religion aside, you will still find people who are abhorred by the realities this game portrays.

Shall I crawl under my rock and pretend this stuff is OK. I do not believe so. I don't want my kids to ever mistake where I stand on these kinds of issues.

agreed... ....

CupOWonton
06-11-2006, 01:49 AM
Violent games, or excessively violent games, are ok, end of argument. Sex in the USA is taboo, we can thank our predecessors and well.. the remainders of the close minded people for sex being treated as absurdly as it is in our society.

I suggest people with an open mind watch Pen and Teller's BS show on subjects like this.

M.E.L.
06-11-2006, 01:56 AM
You are blatantly mocking the morality of the bible and those who believe in it. In this community I am forbidden to openly proclaim what I believe in regards to the bible, I should think you should fall under the same rules. It is very apparent from your conversations that you do not share the belief I or others do. I am sure you have some friends who don't see things eye to eye with you, and I would like to imagine you do not treat them in this manner. Please try to refrain from doing it here. If nothing else, as a professional courtesy.

While I may not share the same beliefs like I said before, each person is entitled to their opinion and allowed to speak it. HOWEVER, there is a very fine line between having an opinion and simply throwing out biblical verses and other bits at people. On one hand I form my own opinion on MY beliefs and MY own thoughts, not what has been programmed into me by a book. THAT is my 2 cents, take it as you see fit. I have many friends who don't see eye to eye with me but that doesn't mean that I dull things down for them and they respect me for that, people will always have their indifferences and we can either sit and cry over spilt milk or simply debate like discussions are meant to be :)


Aside from religious issues, let me perhaps clarify where others may be coming from. I had a motorcycle stolen from me, I didn't like it very much. I have a close relative who was raped. She doesn't laugh about it, I don't laugh about it, no one I knows laughs about it and wants to make fun with it. I am certain that anyone who has lost a loved one to a murderer, does not enjoy the thought of it, nor would find any 'humor' in the GTA games. GTA makes very light of situations that are very real and very very unsavory. The character played in the game is the epitome of what this world does not want or need. There will be many people who will find offense (sometimes maybe even personal offense) to this and other games like it. The issue with the ratings was no doubt spurred on by many other people who do not share this type of 'humor'. Religion aside, you will still find people who are abhorred by the realities this game portrays.

So you want to play the "I've been through it" card and compare it to an entertainment state, fair enough... I can play that game too. Like you I have had close friends who were raped, I watched 2 friends burn to death while alive trapped inside their cars, I've had shit stolen, vandalised, written off, been jumped, beaten and numerous other things (welcome to life). The difference is, I know how to separate LIFE from some fictional event being displayed before me in pixels. I don't take offense to the material I see displayed before me when I play a game, why? Because it's a game, did you catch that? IT'S A GAME.


Shall I crawl under my rock and pretend this stuff is OK. I do not believe so. I don't want my kids to ever mistake where I stand on these kinds of issues.

I have the utmost respect for you in looking out for your kids man, I think that you are right in raising them to deter right and wrong but I hope that it's not in a sheltered manner like most parents try to raise their children caged. As I said earlier, I wouldn't be opposed to sitting down with my kids at say 16, 17 or whatever and playing GTA with them as that's a proactive measure in parenting to make sure that the children fully understand what is right and wrong or the fact that they are playing a game.

my $0.20

leigh
06-11-2006, 02:38 AM
Knock it off, people. I will remind you that religion is a subject that is not up for discussion on this site, and already there are many responses in this thread that are way out of bounds. Users who insist on repeatedly breaking the rules of this site will have their posting privileges removed or limited.

Leonard
06-11-2006, 06:23 AM
I'm closing this thread. Please don't get into religious debates on CGTalk.

Thanks,

Leonard