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EquiNOX 06-06-2006, 06:30 PM I wonder if its possible to remove the car and keep the background. Of course I do know I need to use lasso tool that would go around the car, and cut them off. But it'd be blank in middle and I would want something to cover the cutting part. Would anyone know this technique?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/APrather/TVR_T440R.jpg
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scrimski
06-06-2006, 06:36 PM
Do not use the lasso tool for your own sake.
Use either paths or masked layers, or better paths to define different masks for different layers. You will need an extra layer for the window which you should not cut out but just simply set down in transpareny and use a different background which is blurred on that parts.
The real tough part will be the reflections.
EquiNOX
06-06-2006, 06:41 PM
Do not use the lasso tool for your own sake.
Use either paths or masked layers, or better paths to define different masks for different layers. You will need an extra layer for the window which you should not cut out but just simply set down in transpareny and use a different background which is blurred on that parts.
The real tough part will be the reflections.
I am not quite sure I get you.... or even know how to do this. can you give me an example or perhaps have link for tutorial? What would you cal this technique if I do some search on search engine?
scrimski
06-06-2006, 06:53 PM
It's called non destructive picture processing or smth like that. The idea behind working with masked layers is that you actually do not delete the unwanted stuff but hide it behind a mask. A comparison: If you actually erase a selection, it is gone for ever, no chance to get it back except bringing up the original picture. If you mask an image wrong or too much, you just change the mask on that part by editing the mask without touching the image data.
The same goes for adjustment layers instead of adjusting the image directly, but that's another story.
The reason why I suggested using paths to create mask is that they are easier to control and to change than a lasso selection which I almost never use.
I don't know any tutorial, but I know an excellent book about it, it's called 'Photoshop Masking & Compositing' by Katrin Eismann, it's around 30 bucks and totally worth the money.
EquiNOX
06-06-2006, 07:18 PM
Hmm... I am going to give it a try... I m not really having strength in doing masking or path. So technically what I need to do is fade the car part and turn into blank? It'd be hard to do because I wouldn't know how to get all background combined "stitching" as if car were never there but showing field in picture. Anyway I ll give my best
Taltos
06-06-2006, 08:46 PM
for filling the blank again you can take the clone stamp, or better the repair(?) tool, i don't know the english name, the icon is a cloth patch, in my german PS the shortcut is J. the help file and tutorials on the net should fill you in on how to use it properly
pgraham
06-06-2006, 09:19 PM
The bottom line is, you have to create the background yourself because there's no information about what's behind the car. You can do this with the clone stamp, or copy parts of the image, or paint the background in (which is hard). Usually you have to use a combination of methods to make the new part look natural. You don't really need to "remove" the car, just make a layer above it and cover the car with your new background.
I would say its far too much work unless you are being paid in 4 digits for it then go ahead! :D Basically you need to use the tools: Masks, Paths, Healing/Patch/Stamp, Levels, outside reference (other images), and a bunch of other things. This is hours upon hours upon hours thing to do, along with extensive planning to get it done.
It easy to put thing in the image, but taking them out just ups the difficulty in 10 increments on how big the object is that you want to take out! Sometimes if your just manipulating a face or something as small as that all you need is a photo of the same person in a similar position and then use Healing brush and a few others like history brush.
Moral of the story is dont do it!
EquiNOX
06-06-2006, 10:09 PM
Wow, sound really complicated.. I wouldn't surrender hours and hours on this complexing prodecures. But this background image was so perfect but the car is in way. The reason of doing this is adding this as background image developing object from 3d application and use it as composing/layer blending techniques.
I have visited few "free" photo website trying to find any nature picture W/O anything in front but none of them are good, or the prespective view is not what I wanted (most of them are above the view rather than the level view). But it was easy to find perfec picture with nature background with something in front i.e. cars. person and so on.
I assume there are some other way around instead of doing editing/cloning/stamp/layer/ and etc with this photo that I posted aren't there? However I will just keep on trying...this solution, if someone come up with idea please share. :)
Whipyo
06-07-2006, 08:51 AM
Hi Equinox,
I hope you dont mind me taking the liberty and doing a quick removal of the car.
All I did was use the clone tool to clone nearby pixels to cover the car. I also made some large selections of some of the hills and foreground, copied these to new layers after positioning rotating and scaling, applied layer masks to those new layers, filled the layer masks with black (to completely hide the layers) and then brushed white onto the layer masks to reveal the bits I wanted.
I spent 7 minutes total.....yeah its a bit rough and if you look closely you can see heaps of repeats and soft areas. I just wanted to demonstrate that it is not too difficult and doesn't take long. It just takes a little creative thinking. 90% of the work was with the clone tool. You could have a go yourself at cloning out some of the repeats if they bother you, just use a soft brush.
Whipyo
06-07-2006, 08:55 AM
Whoops...Forgot to attach the file..CG Talk wont let me attach anthing over 97kb.
I'll go sign up at Photobucket and link the file soon.
scrimski
06-07-2006, 08:59 AM
Sorry mate, I got it all wrong, didn't read carefully and thought yo wanted to keep the car. :blush:
As said, cut it roughly(forget about the masks, but keep them in mind, they are a powerfull tool) and paint and clone stamp the missing background.
Get some similiar images on landscapes and use them too.
Whipyo
06-07-2006, 09:07 AM
Here it is:
As I say its a bit rough but with a bit more time.........
Why dont you have a go at cloning the white lines on the roadside so they are more continual and also some of the gravel so its more uniform. Its easier than you think!
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g244/Whipyo/QuickClone.jpg
Taltos
06-07-2006, 09:15 AM
i don't know what your requirements are concerning the background, but i tried to find some shots that i think may fit. they are mine, so if one of those appeals to you, i can send it to you, and you may use it as long as you reference me.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18081779/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8601147/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8590720/
(sry, DA allows no hotlinks)
Here it is:
As I say its a bit rough but with a bit more time.........
Why dont you have a go at cloning the white lines on the roadside so they are more continual and also some of the gravel so its more uniform. Its easier than you think!
Damn thats great! I only went by what I have read up, so my advice can be rusty at times :shrug:
The tree needs alittle work, and maybe other things, like you say.
In response to OP:
Like I said before, the healing brush works well here too as it 'blends' the areas around it to match the clone. So really its just experimentation if you want a perfect seen!
EquiNOX
06-07-2006, 12:43 PM
Whipyo- OMG! WHOA! That's exactly what I want WOW:applause: Nicely done :thumbsup: I done same progress earlier... it was perfect at first then got worst later on. Its just that color and everthing didn't blend really well. Just curious...did you have to use marquee tool to not allow two different color to blend together while using clone tool? i.e. between grass and gravel stones?
Taltos- Thank you for sharing.. your background look nice, but to dark at the bottom. Also the sunlight at back would make it difficult to develop blending layer. But if you have any images that isn't too dark I'd be appreicated and of course I would credit your picture once I post your work at somewhere.
Allow me give you clear picture what I was trying to do....
I found this from www.treddi.com (http://www.treddi.com/) on tutorial section created by italian guy. Couldn't tell his name since I don't speak italian. But here are few example what I am trying to achieve.
Before
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/APrather/3dPSex1.jpg
After
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/APrather/3dPSex2.jpg
This one is a perfect example
Before
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/APrather/3dPSex3.jpg
After
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/APrather/3dPSex4.jpg
If you are curious to see tutorials visit these sites. (They are in itailian and You have to be registered to view this)
Obects on beach:
http://www.treddi.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13969
Teapot
http://www.treddi.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3356
So hope that gives you clear idea what I am trying to do, finding good picture w/o object in front or find a good picture w/object in front and use clone and healing brush techniques.
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