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xiannc
06-03-2006, 07:00 AM
Hello everyone!
I decided to make my own thread so I could get some C&C's on my life drawings that I do every other week or so. Plus this June and July I will be taking an anatomy and figure study class that I'm really looking forward to. Hopefully there will be an improvement. Thanks alot for visiting.

-Christian

xiannc
06-03-2006, 07:10 AM
This week we had a very good model, Naomi. The first sketch is a 15 min. pose and the second is a 30 min. pose. I did both with a 4b pencil, but copied them in photoshop to get a handle on sketching in PS. Please Critique.:) Thank you.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/55/figure0005ap9.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8808/figure0006bq7.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/06053002%20copy.0.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/06053001%20copy.0.jpg

demented
06-03-2006, 08:17 AM
Hey xiannc

Great start man - welcome aboard. First thing though is to just post images in such a way that one does not need to click to see.

K, work on your shading some. Try not to map out shadows, but try building them up - lay in the major darks first, but not the darkest so you have room to go darker. Remember that we do not depict shadows, we use them to depict - as Mentler says. In other words, use your shading to explain forms and space.

Good start man - keep us updated.

cheers,

- d.

Rebeccak
06-03-2006, 06:57 PM
xiannc,

Welcome aboard! :) It's nice to see a new person on the boards. It would be nice to know something about your training and background. It's great that you will be taking a class, and I look forward to seeing your work here! Be sure to check out the following thread when you get the chance:

Life Drawings - Post Your Life Drawings! From Class or Workshops (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257531&page=1&pp=15)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257531&page=1&pp=15

I hope you don't mind, I did a paintover of one of your drawings ~ hope this helps! :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20xiannc/xiannc_Rev-01.gif

Looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

xiannc
06-03-2006, 10:51 PM
Thanks a lot for the replies guys.

Demented: After thinking about it for a bit, I'm pretty sure I understand what you wrote. Instead of outlining where the shade will be and then filling it in, I should start from a dark area and work outward and leave the edges of the shade less defined? I will try to work on that. Hopefully the text link to the images problem was a one-time glitch.

Rebeccak: You can overpaint my sketches anytime. Definitely ok. Im at work right now and want to take more indeapth time to study it once I get off tonight. I might have some more questions. I was going to wait to post to that other forum till I had more work posted on this thread.

Thanks again,

-Christian

xiannc
06-04-2006, 08:42 AM
Rebeccak: Thanks again for your overpaint. I get what your saying about the legs. But I do have a question about the right arm. Whats going on in the upper arm under the left breast? it seems like it cuts to low? I really need to study more anatomy construction and the way light works so I can continue to working on the sketch after the pose is through.

My background sounds like alot of other guys on the forum. Ive been around for 25 years, I drew all the time when I was a kid. I won some prestigious middle school awards for my art.;) When I got into highschool I took one drawing class but then moved on to other forms of art.. guitar, poetry, acting. Sketching got pushed to the background, never dissappeared, but wasn't a big part of my life.

Before college I thought about art as a major, but was not sure where to even start with a portfolio. I studied art history instead. Close but not quite.

Now I have graduated and in December of 05 I dedicated myself to art again. I realized that all those other arts were just to impress the ladies. Art has always been for me, and not to impress others. I have been reading tons and cruising these forums seeing all the amazing work which really encourages me. If I can get to a point where I can help others in their art like you have already done for me, then that would be a good start.

xiannc
06-04-2006, 08:54 AM
I started a new project tonight similar to Rebeccak's digital figurative drawing (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436). This will probably take a couple days. I am using a ref from the 15 minute sketch reference page. Here are the first WIP's.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/001.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/002.jpg

xiannc
06-04-2006, 08:56 AM
..........
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/003.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/004.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/005.jpg

YMS
06-04-2006, 09:39 AM
That's amazing the way she/her face is popping out of your initial sketching! :)

xiannc
06-04-2006, 06:26 PM
Thank you very much YMS. I am getting help from a grid. My goal is to be able to get thr proportions right without a grid. Henning Ludvigsen (http://www.henningludvigsen.com/wordpress/) has some very good tutorials that I read through for making a peice like this. He has some awesome work. The face is one part I was struggling with last night. I know it needs to go a little darker, but Im nervous about going too dark. I'll keep working on it.

Rebeccak
06-04-2006, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by xiannc: Thanks again for your overpaint. I get what your saying about the legs. But I do have a question about the right arm. Whats going on in the upper arm under the left breast? it seems like it cuts to low? I really need to study more anatomy construction and the way light works so I can continue to working on the sketch after the pose is through.
xiannc, I'll have to take a look at that later tonight ~ am in a bit of a hurry atm, but will get back to your question later. :)

My background sounds like alot of other guys on the forum. Ive been around for 25 years, I drew all the time when I was a kid. I won some prestigious middle school awards for my art.;) When I got into highschool I took one drawing class but then moved on to other forms of art.. guitar, poetry, acting. Sketching got pushed to the background, never dissappeared, but wasn't a big part of my life.

Before college I thought about art as a major, but was not sure where to even start with a portfolio. I studied art history instead. Close but not quite.
Ah, thanks for that! It always helps and interests me to know about peoples' backgrounds. :)

Now I have graduated and in December of 05 I dedicated myself to art again. I realized that all those other arts were just to impress the ladies. Art has always been for me, and not to impress others. I have been reading tons and cruising these forums seeing all the amazing work which really encourages me. If I can get to a point where I can help others in their art like you have already done for me, then that would be a good start.
That's great! :) I think that most people with a real desire to do art will do well in it if they work hard enough. It is possible to advance quickly digitally, whereas it really takes a lot longer to progress traditionally. I am glad that you are out of college as this means I can encourage you to do digital work. :)

I think you piece is coming along quite well so far, and I look forward to your updates! You are also welcome to join us in OFDW 017, which runs through June 18th.

Open Figure Drawing Workshop - Sorolla, Zorn, Leon Master Copy - with Rebeccak 017
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=360025

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

xiannc
06-05-2006, 05:39 AM
Have to make an early night of it. So this is it for tonight. Digital is definitely the way to go. I am trying to get better at sketching with a graphite and charcoal.. but I wouldn't even know where to start with oils and watercolors. Although I do admire a good oil painting.:shrug: Maybe when I retire and can afford the paint.

I will see if there is an OFDW peice that inspires me tommorow.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/006.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/007.jpg

Rebeccak
06-05-2006, 05:48 AM
xiannc,

Looking good! :)

I hope that this Tutorial might be of some use ~ I've since become more methodical with my steps, but this might give you at least some help along the way with your piece: :)

TUTORIAL - Digital Figurative Painting from OFDW - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436&highlight=OFDW+002)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275436&highlight=OFDW+002

Also of great use in Grayscale paintings is the Grayscale Slider in PS:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Misc/Grayscale-Slider_PS.jpg

Though I think it's a good idea to lay in the initial values with varying opacities of just 3 swatches (white, mid gray, black).



Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

xiannc
06-06-2006, 09:15 PM
Thanks Rebecca,
I did not know about that grayscale slider. I have been getting all the shades by just mixing white and black and then sampling the mix for a new gray. It works ok, but sometimes it would be good to go straight to the gray I want. I will be posting more tonight when I get home from work.

demented
06-06-2006, 09:46 PM
Hey Xiannc

great progress man - posting reveals alot and is almost always a good idea.

I think it is important to layin the initial vlues with a large neutral (no distinct texture) brush - this should get rid of the slight scratchiness. Also remember you should not paint a this patch black or that part grey - you are painting this part of the form and that part of the form. Of course it all comes down to "line and tonal value" - but that's the end result: how you approach what you draw determines the "line and tonal value". What I'm really trying to say is don't copy this tone and that shade - recreate them in your own drawing.

mmm - not sure that makes much sense - if not just shout and I'll try to explain myself better. right now i'm too tired to be try and be preachy:Dhaha - thanx for sharing

cheers!!

- d.

xiannc
06-07-2006, 09:12 AM
I'm on the homestreatch for the grayscale.

Demented, surprisingly I understood exactly what you were saying. Although at first I was saying "what???". After I thought about it I think you are saying.. Think more about the form you are trying to create in the peice rather than the step by step gray bits on the computer monitor. Yes? Thats what I got out of it and it is a very useful tip. Thanks.

Two more wips for tonight.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/009.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/010.jpg

demented
06-07-2006, 04:25 PM
Exactly right xiannc - sorry for the vague explanation.

This type of approach has really helped me before but of course there are many ways to skin a cat. I think it helps to approach something the same way you want to communicate it - art is after all a language and must communicate.

The wip is coming along excellently - great work. Would add some reflected light to the bottom of the ribcage and stomach even if it's not like that on the photo - just a small minuscule highlight would explain explain the form of the torso.

great work - update us soon,
ciao

- d.

xiannc
06-08-2006, 07:05 AM
So, this will be the last bit for the lady. I learned alot doing it. That was what I was going for,.. but now I want to move on to something else. I might do the OFDW,.. but I will probably do some studying in color first. (Not that Ive learned all I need to about shading yet.):) So here are the last two WIPs.

-Christian

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/011.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2229/2907/1600/12.jpg

xiannc
06-08-2006, 03:02 PM
I know I said I was going to do some color work. But I got stuck on what demented was saying about building the forms. So I did this peice really quick. It took 40 minutes or so and was super fun, so I hope you like it. I used my hand as a reference. Please critique the lighting. I'm still learning.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/headinhandcopy.jpg

Lute
06-08-2006, 03:35 PM
:3 looks very good... and it looks like your not afraid of using..shadow... but also..dont be afraid of using highlights..... :3

keep up the good work

xiannc
06-09-2006, 07:36 AM
Hey Lute! Thank you very much for your comments. Your thread was actually the inspiration for that last one. I was looking at your Loomis(?) head sketches and thought I would give it a shot,.. but I got side tracked and thats what I ended up with. You keep up the good work as well. It sounds like we both have similar stories and have a lot of catching up to do in our artistic lives.

ooh, it looks like I violated the photobucket TOS. I will try to find a new spot for my pictures tommorow.

So Ive been working on a new peice for about five hours. I found this great ref on stock.xchng.com (http://www.sxc.hu/index.phtml) Hopefully I will be able to take it to a point of satisfaction. As always.. comments and critiques/paintovers are always welcome. this is my first attempt at painting in some skin tones.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color001.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color002.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color003.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color004.jpg

Rudeone
06-09-2006, 12:56 PM
Hey your work is really solid, I especially like the painting with the nude lady and I think it's really cool that you show your process.
Since you don't mind people painting over your work I took the oppertunity to do a little paintover of that last portrait (which actually is really good) and tune it up a bit.
I added some subtle shadows and light areas , I haven't seen the original photo so I could be a little off here but I think it gives a little more life to the painting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/rudeone/color0044.jpg

xiannc
06-10-2006, 09:14 AM
Thanks rudeone for your comments. You have made me think that i might have telepathy now, because thats exactly what I was thinking as I couldn't keep my eyes open last night. More highlights, more shadows, more lifelike. It's still a wip, but I think I got closer to what you were talking about tonight.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color006.jpg

And once again my eyes are closing.

Rebeccak
06-13-2006, 12:13 AM
xiannc,

I think your grayscale > color piece turned out quite well, with the rendering of the face being really impressive. :) I think you might be able to soften the modeling a little bit with softer brushes at lower opacity, particularly around the stomach area and the left half of the cloth. The super smooth background is a bit of a contrast with the rather scratchy texture of the foreground figure and cloth, and I'm not sure even how you achieved this sense of texture, but I do think it works in the figure and would like to see it carried over into the background. :)

Nice start to your new painting ~ it's a bit early to crit, so I look forward to seeing how you develop this piece. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
06-13-2006, 07:25 AM
Hey Rebecca,
I hope you enjoyed your trip wherever you went off to. Thanks for the critique of the grayscale. As far as the texture I acheived.. I thought they were just scribbles when I did them, but acheiving a texture sounds much nicer. Thanks.:) I might go back and scribbl on it some more.
The one I'm working on now is tough,.. I feel like Im getting lost sometimes in putting down the tones in color. In time hopefully this will help me to develope a system of painting. In time. It wasn't too long ago that I figured out that skin tone was alot more than the skin colored crayon in the crayola box plus black and white shadows and highlights.:)
Thanks,
Christian
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color007.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color008.jpg

p.s. Another figure drawing session tonight and then tommorow I start my class!
I can't wait.

xiannc
06-15-2006, 06:35 AM
Had a great time at class tonight. I've never drawn standing up before so that took just a little bit of getting used to. Once I was used to it though I can see the advantages of drawing from your shoulder. Please C+C. Thanks!

-Christian

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5526/figure00099nl.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5392/figure00106uo.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6973/figure00119er.jpg

demented
06-15-2006, 08:44 AM
Hey xiannc

Great man - love the coloured works: like the way you are handling colour. These last ones are also taking great steps into the right directions. Remember though that taking a line a shape doesn't do much to describe it - it just tells you were it is. Also vary the thickness/darkness of the line according to the light source. No line variation will result in a flat figure - so vary your line and avoid petting it - don't go over the same line if you ca help it..

hope that helps man

- d.

Rebeccak
06-15-2006, 11:35 PM
Christian,

Good to see your first drawings. :) Do they teach you a specific method, do you know, or do they just let you draw as you wish?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

xiannc
06-16-2006, 08:08 AM
Thanks for the comments!

Demented, how could you not pet those lines? They are so cute!! Sorry.:)
I do know what your saying. I want to be able to just lay down a line and let it lie, I think its my bad habit of finding where I want the line to be, but by the time I find it I have a petted messy line. I will work on that.

Rebeccak, our instructor is Paris Alexander, he is a sculptor here in NC. He said right off the bat that it was an academic study. His words were "Most art books will begin by talking about head heights and proportions of the body, but if you have a live model, all the reference points you need are right in front of you. While we were drawing and inbetween poses he talked about the references of the scapula on the shoulders and then finding where the rib cage is. He talked about the triangle on the small of the back which would help you find the tilt of the spine. Towards the end he talked about using the center line of the body to think about what view you had of the body. full frontal, 3/4, side view or anywhere inbetween. He also told me to work big on my canvas. The drawings I posted grew bigger and bigger. The first took one scan, then two scans for the second, and then four for the third!:) Tell me what you think and if there is anything you would like to add to my first weeks lesson.

I'm sad the class only lasts for an hour and a half, and then only for six weeks.:(

I will continue with the color portrait soon, but for now it's time for bed.

-Christian

Rudeone
06-16-2006, 12:14 PM
Hey looking good here, great skecthes, I in particular like the last one.
The portrait is turning out great aswell. I do think her upper lip is slightly too big, it usually looks smaller than the lower lip, but it might look like this in the ref image because of the camera angle. Also it would work better IMO if the upper lip is darker, because it goes inward it catches a little less light than the lower lip. You also might want to paint some subtle bounce lights along her jawline and neck and some subtle lights in the corners of her mouth.
Keep it up! :thumbsup:

xiannc
06-18-2006, 07:08 AM
Good to hear your comments again Rudeone. You were definitely right about the lips. I started changing it tonight. The lower lip is a little bigger and I made the upper lip darker,.. I'm not sure if its dark enough but I will get there. I also started working on the hair tonight and went darker in the shadows. Another thing I changed is that I have been working at 72 dpi and 480x720 pixels, tonight I went up to 300 dpi @ 2000x3000 pixels. I read that in a tutorial the other day, and I knew it was better to work at higher resolution I just hadn't applied that knowledge to this image yet. Beleive me, it makes a difference.

Im also posting a quick sketch I did on a post-it note of a little girl that came into my work tonight. Didn't quite get it right, but I she was only there for 2 minutes.

Thank you guys so much I have been learning tons just by posting here.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/color009.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/girlface.jpg

Rebeccak
06-18-2006, 04:55 PM
xiannc,

Good progress on the digital portrait so far ~ one thing that you might try is using 100% opacity and flow and carefully selecting your colors. You might pick 3 or 4 for each area of the painting ~ for example, for the shirt you might pick a variety of lighter and darker blues, and create small swatches from which to color sample. Looking forward to seeing your updates! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
06-22-2006, 04:58 AM
Hey rebecca, thanks for the advice. Im definitely putting it to use in the OFDW. Its helping me from getting too chaotic with it. Will post a second WIP there later tonight.

The second night of class was tonight. This week was mostly like last week except we did an excercise where he covered up a part of the page and had me work on getting the proportions right on just one side of the body. That's why half is shaded and the other half isn't. The second scetch, the chest is too high. The model did have it arched up, but not that much. Next week, I will have two nights of figure study to show work for.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8929/figure0125ea.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3586/figure0136pr.jpg

xiannc
06-29-2006, 04:22 AM
Wow, another week has flown by. I have been drawing tons. Where do I start. Ok, so the anatomy and figure study class was tonight. He talked about shading and highlights. I think he will go more indepth into shading next week. He just loosely went over both tonight. We also did a scetch by laying down a midtone over the whole paper and then adding shade and subtracting highlights. I enjoyed doing that.
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6245/figure0149qh.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2632/figure156an.jpg



I was working on a peice yesterday which I think I won't be working on anymore because the original work is copyrighted and it would be sad to work for 80 hours on something and not be able to use it (except for the experience.)

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/done.jpg

I just saw the head study challenge a couple minutes ago. I'm in! I will try not to use a grid, I need to hone my skill of just making the lines. They might look bad, but thats alright.

-Christian

Rebeccak
06-29-2006, 05:20 PM
Christian,

That head study is such a lovely piece, it's a shame to abandon it. But, there are plenty more opportunities with the 50 Portraits thread, so I look forward to your participation in that! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
07-06-2006, 03:21 AM
Time is going by so fast. I would like to kick my kid self for wishing time would speed up. It's wednesday night again. We ran through more techniques on shading. I didn't put the new stuff into practice. He told us about crumbling some charcoal on a cloth and using that to model in the forms. The stuff I did tonight was just a continuation of the last peice I did last week. C+C please.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6720/figure0166qj.jpg
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/861/figure0178ug.jpg

Rebeccak
07-06-2006, 08:42 AM
Christian,

I like the serene mood you've lent these drawings, an artist you should look at is Manuel Neri:

http://www.tfaoi.com/mn/mia/mia3.jpg


http://dsg-art.com/db/images/DSCF0044.JPG

A wonderfully expressive artist. :)

Figure drawing is as much about expression as it is about Anatomy and basic drawing principles of form, shadow, weight and balance. Trying to combine everything together can take a long, long time but it's good to see that you are on that path. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
07-07-2006, 07:45 AM
Thanks for the comments Rebecca. I got a complement from the instructor on that first one. Not that he's overly critical, but he is teaching and telling me where I can do better. When he came around the second time while I was working on the first one he just said "That's good." I enjoyed that. The Manuel Neri peices you posted ar beautiful. I wouldn't be dissapointed if my peices were that expressive. I do like realism though.

I posted a head copy that took me a while to do. I thought I would repost it here since I love the original peice.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/054final.jpg

Rebeccak
07-08-2006, 07:56 PM
Christian,

That's a lovely copy. :) I think the trick will be translating the close observation that you're doing with the master copies to your life drawings ~ to a large extent, it's the limitations of the medium which you have to learn how to get around and exploit in order to achieve what you want with the traditional medium which you are using. For example charcoal is much more condusive to being able to get a good sense of overall gesture, whereas the digital medium allows one to explore detail in depth, pretty much ad infinitum.

It's definitely tricky to bring them all together, but it will be interesting to see how you play with each, and how they inform one another. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
07-09-2006, 07:50 AM
Thanks for the compliment Rebecca. I really think the master copies will help my life drawings, but it's also a time issue too. I take 20 minutes for a figure drawing in charcoal while I can take hours on a digital mastercopy.

Did a head study at work. I'll post it here to. It's got some problems but I like it. C&C if you will.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/67.jpg

Rebeccak
07-10-2006, 07:11 AM
Christian,

Nice ballpoint study, I was admiring this on the Workshop thread. :) You've established a nice sense of volume without being overly stuffy about it ~ looking forward to seeing more!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
07-10-2006, 08:17 AM
I had fun with this one, and I think the proportions are closer to the picture than the previous one, but I still like my first ballpoint better. I'm pretty sure this one took longer too.

Rebeccak: Do you have an example of an "overly stuffy" ballpoint study? I haven't seen enough of them to know which ones are stuffier. Is this an example?...

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/052.jpg

xiannc
07-11-2006, 11:52 PM
I might not get to 50. I work too long on each one. I need to get quicker.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/79.jpg

xiannc
07-13-2006, 05:01 AM
Tonight the instructor talked about line quality. He talked about parts on the drawing that don't need a line at all. The model was a very well built man. Because of that I was worried about my drawings being too much like the muscle man symbols in my head. I think it worked out ok though.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2379/figure0181vb.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7990/figure0193af.jpg

xiannc
07-14-2006, 08:14 AM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/11.jpg

Now that photobucket doesn't allow nudity, does anyone know a good place to host images. If anyone has an ftp site they have some free space on, that would be cool too.

Rebeccak
07-14-2006, 08:19 AM
Christian,

Great to see your new work! :)

Try www.imageshack.us.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
07-14-2006, 11:41 AM
hi there,


totally love the drawings in this post...

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3685956&postcount=36

*subscribed*

xiannc
07-16-2006, 06:47 PM
Thank you very much Mu! That first one is my favorite so far in that class. I really appreciate the compliment.


http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/69.jpg


http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/77.jpg

Rebeccak
07-17-2006, 11:31 PM
Christian,

Really liking this one especially:


http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/77.jpg


The strokes radiating in the background are a nice contrast to the more subtle strokes of the interior. Nice job with making the front of the face the focus and not the sides. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
07-19-2006, 10:05 PM
Thanks Rebeccak. The background was done in the last 30 minutes of my workday. I knew I wasn't going to get finished, so I just went for the thing that would make the biggest effect in the least time.

These three I did a little different. I think the proportions are closer to true because I started with a pencil blocking things out. Then I went to pen. Still not perfect, but I think that helped.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/47.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/86.jpghttp://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/80.jpg

xiannc
07-20-2006, 03:16 AM
Tonight was the last night of my anatomy and figure drawing class.:sad: But a really great thing happened. The model was the same one from class #3. She did a couple quick poses, I did some gesture drawings. Then the instructor said now for a good 30-40 minute pose. The model got in a reclining pose and I started drawing. From the start I was not satisfied. My drawing was waaay to small and I just wasn't comfortable. I was drawing more from my head studies experience of the past week. Where I am working really detailed with a ballpoint pen, After about 10 minutes the instructor came around and said thats a good drawing but you can't go any further with what you have.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1369/06071901ym0.jpg

He told me to start over and do just a torso drawing big on the whole paper. So I made this one which I love.:buttrock: It was a great ending to the class.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3528/figure020fd9.jpg

se7en-z3r0
07-20-2006, 04:05 AM
Good stuff dude. The torso close is very nice.

xiannc
07-23-2006, 07:55 AM
Thanks alot se7en. That is probably one of my favorites from this class.

So now that the class is over I will still have figure drawing every other week or so, but Im planning with a couple other people to start a private long pose group which would be great.
There is also a group which I might try out tommorow in a neighboring city. Plenty of options around here.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/81.jpg

Rebeccak
07-23-2006, 05:06 PM
Christian,

I'm thrilled to hear that your class ended on such a high note! :) I know how emotional drawing can be, and sometimes bad drawings can ruin your day ~ but it's great to see how you really pulled this last piece off beautifully, congratulations! :)

Really enjoying your pen sketches, have you also seen the work of BNN lately? Some really nice stuff going on on his thread as well. :)

Anatomy Thread of BNN (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=369271)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

xiannc
07-26-2006, 09:04 AM
Thanks for the compliment rebeccak and thanks for pointing me to BNN's thread, I definitely dug his stuff. Hey! Can we do hands or feet for the next anatomy series? I could really use either one.

Tonight was another figure drawing session with the same model as last post. I arrived a little late, did one 5 minute, two 10 minute, and two 25 minute sketches. I'm posting two 10s in charcoal and two 25s in graphite. The 25's were done on some wonderful material that a friend of mine brought for me as a gift tonight. It's paper made out of mylar. Does anyone know about this? I thought it worked very well. I was pleased. As always c+c's or paintovers are welcome. I'm sure I don't see all the mistakes.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5263/06072600uq7.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/13/figure21ez3.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5968/06072602ga5.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9997/06072603gg7.jpg

A couple of the people I have been taking the class with and I are planning on doing a private long pose in a few weeks with this same model. Any suggestions on how to pace for a two hour pose? i.e. envelope time, outline time etc..

I will post more head studies later on.

xiannc
07-27-2006, 05:14 AM
I loved that anatomy series. Great job on putting it together rebeccak. I can't wait til the next one. Maybe I will get more done next time. Here are my last two heads that I did at work the other day.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/1.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/2.jpg

BNN
07-27-2006, 04:34 PM
Yo Christian~

Pretty nice studies going along!

Anyway you can try to be bolder with your pen studies, go with more daring strokes and lay down the tonal values. I think it's kinda awkward for a start but as you continue you will love the dynamism this little pen can create!

=D

Rebeccak
07-27-2006, 05:55 PM
Christian,

Glad to hear it! You did a great job in the Workshop and I am hoping to do more, but the next one will likely not be until after my CGWorkshop concludes as I just don't have the energy to run the two concurrently ~ there will however be an OFDW running during that time. :)

I think the pen studies are fantastic and I hope to see more of your progression with this medium. Charcoal is great for expressive effects, but when you really want to knuckle down and understand details, there's no better medium than ballpoint pen. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SulaMoon
07-27-2006, 06:03 PM
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9997/06072603gg7.jpg


Oh, I really like this one!
Its has such a calm feeling in it.. the lighting and the soft shades helps a lot

very nice ^^
I wish I could work with real models too. Must be awesome!

xiannc
07-30-2006, 07:11 PM
Hey guys,
BNN and Rebeccak, thank you for the tips. I am trying to be more bold in my pen studies, hopefully it will show in this next one.
Sulamoon: Thank you very much. Are there not any figure study sessions in Sao Paulo?

The ballpoint has grown on me since I have started using it. I didn't realize how much it could do. I have decided to continue with the head studies until the next thing comes up since they are an easy thing to keep going while I am at work.


http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/63.jpg

But I have also started something else... I have commited myself to a full digital painting. I was browsing around on myspace the other day and found a picture by a friend of a friend.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/hummingbirdref.jpg

I started sketching it out and I ended up copying the whole picture. As I was copying the picture I got all these ideas for making a painting so I threw some of them in there as a rough sketch.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/hummingbirds.jpg

I ended up emailing the girl in the picture to ask her permission to do the painting. She emailed me back with a beautiful story.

"In Feb 2003, I met and fell in love with a man whose ceiling was blanketed by paper cranes. Some of them even had notes or special drawings - reminders of the days that he made them. I spent many of those nights staring up at those cranes, and it is the one thing that I will remember about our first house. He took this picture very shortly after I moved in with him, on the first night that we got all fixed up together and went to a party. I was madly in love, and feel like you can see it in this picture."

So Ive spent most of this week thinking about this picture and getting references and now that I have her permission and her story, I want to try to put the story back into the picture. You might see that as the peice moves along. I think I'm done with the layout, and it looks something like this..

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/1.jpg

This painting will probably take a long time as it's my first. Sorry for the long post I'm excited about getting started. I know it's to early to critique, but if you have some tips on getting started with a full concept I would apreciate it. I will be moving this peice over to 2d/wip area, to get some more ideas from them.

xiannc
08-03-2006, 07:46 AM
Did these heads in pencil. I was planning on finishing them in PS but Im busy with the hummingbirds when I'm not at work. Oh well.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/20.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/19.jpg

xiannc
08-09-2006, 06:06 AM
So much to do so little time. Been gone a couple days. All these social engagements and staying out late are not friendly on posting often. Anyway, here are some of tonights FS sketches. Three five minute and two ten minute I beleive. I left a bit early to meet up with friends, but I got a bit of time in. I cleaned up the background a bit in PS tonight when I got home. I felt pretty good about the session.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8140/figure022fs2.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1944/figure023rl5.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4229/figure024hy9.jpg

ytresu
08-11-2006, 09:24 AM
Hi xiannc, just surfing here and found your thread.
Your work is great and your sketches are very cool...
Ciao

Hyaloclastics
08-11-2006, 07:11 PM
Hey Xiannc

Nice studies!Your life drawings make me wanting to start a class too...
Keep it up!

xiannc
08-17-2006, 04:56 AM
Thank you very much ytresu!:)
Polonoid, I definitely recommend it, I checked out your stuff and I would love to see what you would do from a figure study session. Go find one quick! :)

So for this post I have another head study and I have another first. My first two hour pose from a private session tonight. The model is Maya again, she has been very great to work with. We will probably have two more sessions with her in the next two weeks and then she will be moving away so we will have to find someone else. :sad: I messed up on Maya's face, just so you know she doesn't look like that.

I haven't posted more to my WIP thread yet, because I haven't got to any milestone yet. I will post there tonight or tommorow when I get done with the girl in grayscale.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/21.jpg


http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7384/figure025bc8.jpg

xiannc
09-07-2006, 07:12 AM
I haven't been taking a break from art, I promise. I just haven't been posting. Ive still been working on hummingbird girl. I post there again sometime next week. I just finished a picture in pencil from a photograph that I was "comissioned" by my aunt to do for their wedding. I will post that next week after it is given to them. So what am I posting tonight you may ask? I will be posting a good two hour head study and a bad two hour figure drawing. Critiques and overpaints on the figure drawing would be very helpful. Thank you.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/head%20studies/22.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8586/figure026th3.jpg

xiannc
09-20-2006, 08:02 AM
I have so much going on right now! Job, family, friends etc.. Thats a good thing, but I'm not drawing as much as I should be!:( I seriously need to buckle down and start taking the sketch pad with me everywhere. Any advice guys? Here is the latest figure drawing. I am enjoying these two-hour long poses I am learning more about proportions, but at the end of a session mostly I feel like I need several more hours to get it right. Until next time. Critiques please!:)
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8449/figure027me7.jpg

xiannc
10-19-2006, 08:11 AM
Another month passes by. It's been another eventful one, but I have decided and am working toward something. I will be applying to the ARA in Toronto. Thats a cold place for this southern boy, but I have been looking at atelier programs for almost a year now and of all of them ARA seems to teach the level of realism I want to be able to acheive. For me a year commited to drawing well would be good anywhere, but especially at a great school like that. I must have focused time! :) I hope to start in the fall of 2008 if I get accepted and can save up enough.:)
So tonight Ive got another figure drawing but Ive also got a quick sketch of a crow that I was happy to have done in 10 minutes before I went to bed. Ive got Bridgmans that I will begin making copies of this week! I need to post more in this forum. There is so much great stuff being posted by everyone, I need to tell you so. Expect to hear from me. Goodnight for now.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6947/crowgh9.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2176/figure028kh9.jpg

p.s. I think that charcoal is starting to do what I tell it to. :) I still had a couple corrections that I made once I got it scanned in.

Rebeccak
10-19-2006, 08:13 AM
Christian,

Congrats! That will be really exciting to follow your atelier progress. I look forward to seeing your journey! I really hope you will post your work as you go along in your program. :)

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

xiannc
11-05-2006, 06:44 AM
Thanks Rebecca! I will definitely keep you posted. Ive asked for the ARA figure drawing dvd for Christmas. I would love to go ahead and get started with their technique. Has anybody seen it yet? Reccomended?

As I've said before.. The first fridays of the month here in Raleigh are awesome. All the galleries are open late, have bands and serve free wine/beer and snacks. But yesterday was a special treat. Before I picked up my girlfriend and her sister for the night's activities I went to the closing reception/awards for the tristate portrait artist competition that was put on by The Portrait Society of America (http://www.portraitsociety.org/). There are some awesome artists around here I didn't know about and I got to talk to quite a few of them about starting out as an artist and they were all so helpful. I also went to a talk put on by three girls who had a group exhibit at artspace. They were all young and had some very interesting things to say about what their art meant to them and what processes they used to get the final product. Awesome night. Then this morning I got to wake up for a long pose. Lucky lucky. I didn't do too well, I went to the wrist action for the small details too quickly. I should have kept it loose longer to get more of a gesture to start out with. Anyway, it is what it is and I'm learning. I just realized this is the model that was in my first post here from back in June. I know I'm getting better, but I still have soooo much to learn!! :eek:Yikes! So please critique on any little thing if you will. Take care.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/351/figure029mi0.jpg

NR43
11-05-2006, 09:09 AM
Hi xiannc

just went through your thread and I really enjoyed it.
It's great to see that you are working towards a goal such as the ARA you mentioned. Your drawings from life look wonderful and I really like your pen studies as well.

I know how frustrating it can be sometimes not being able to draw due to having no time.. and when there is time, feeling so bloody tired it's really costing a lot of extra effort just to get started, and staying focussed once at it.

One thing that helped me is to plan drawing time in my daily schedule and sticking to it (=looking forward to it :) )

Bobby Chiu made this clear to me in his videos on his video sketchbook thread. if you haven't seen those, I really really recommend them :)

TUTORIALS - Digital Painting Video Sketchbook - by Bobby Chiu (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=410461)

best to start with the oldest vid first...

Looking forward to see more drawings soon!

xiannc
11-11-2006, 07:12 PM
A couple more from me from this past week. A couple bridgeman copies and another 2 hour figure drawing. This one has alot of parts I like and yet don't like at the same time. Maybe an overpaint could be helpful if someone has the time. Cheers

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/hands3.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/xiannc/my%20anatomy%20thread/hands2.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7522/figure030ab0.jpg

xiannc
12-07-2006, 06:14 PM
I have just upgraded from 1ghz to 3! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
I'm so excited. I was taxing my old computer to the limit with Photoshop. Now I can run big images no problem. :)
I've got a 2hr figure drawing to post as soon as I get my scanner connected to the new system. But for now my first post to OFDW 20.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1252/1oc8.jpg

xiannc
12-08-2006, 08:18 PM
Worked on the face, hair, feet/ground, and overall skin a bit today. Leighton is awesome.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/1743/2zs3.jpg

xiannc
12-08-2006, 11:24 PM
I worked on the cloth and the feet a bit more.

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4060/3gv8.jpg

xiannc
02-10-2007, 05:34 PM
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2234/06111401smallsy5.jpg

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3783/07010901smallff3.jpg


the last one there was an attempt at brushing on charcoal beforehand. It turned out way too dark and I was rather upset by the leangth of her arm. :( oh well, live and learn.

xiannc
02-10-2007, 05:40 PM
I thought these figure drawings needed there own post for two reasons.

1. It's a new model that has been very good to work with our group this past month. Hopefully we will continue to work with her.
2. Its been a year since I started getting passionate about drawing. One of the ways I have been doing that is by commiting to regular figure drawing as you can tell. I thought I might post my first drawing from last year. Ive come a long way and I have a long way to go. I can't wait to see what I will learn this year!

Cheers!

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2121/06010301smallod2.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3548/07011601smallwz0.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3609/07012301smalltj9.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7664/07020601smalloi0.jpg

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