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Lute
05-28-2006, 03:05 AM
oh kay....lets get this started..shall we... hello there @--}--everyone..
Im not sure where to begin...... and sadly..im to tired to be able to fully explain myself...

I've been drawing ever since I was little, from elementary school and to high school. When I was in high school, i was influenced by anime. But even before then I was fascinated with animation. I loved anime mostly because of how far they took telling a story in so many forms.
So with that fascination. I began to draw, draw more and more.. just to putting the ideas i had in my head onto the picture...i still even have some old art to show.. what i used to do....(and yes i suffered from the drawing the big head small body syndrome) lol :3
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I've always wanted to become an artist..and illustrator... My father drew..and my mother drew as well.. but chose different paths (nursing field)... Hence you can imagine.. what happened to me...
to make a long story short.. I didnt follow my true nature.....even though I wanted to pursue it..I didnt... chose computer science instead... (Im over that now)
But I didnt want to deny being the artist in me.. Cause to see ebautiful art work..and wanting to be part of the world..
They're were alot of lessons I had to learn.....
Even during the time i was in high school till college... i didnt draw as much as i wanted to.. which effected me very emotionally... I was very focused on drawing the perfect picture of what ever idea of my head.. hence.. no art was ever made. My friends from ecau (East Coast Artist Unite)... would literally force me to sit down...and draw something from life...and in my own head... i didnt want to.. didnt see the point of it...

I dont remeber when...and how... but... one day I had an epiphany... if i dont do this.. its going to be the biggest regret in my life. I wanted to draw ..create..express myself...on a peice of paper... but how can if i dont know the way... The reason why.. i cant create is because i lack knowledge in certain things...I was never taught the correct way of doing something to be able to do something right...
so..here i am on my quest....
So i have been studying anatomy from loomis.. and read and did some exercises from drawing on the right side of the brain (highly recommened..)
I know.. i need a plan..of where to start.. so i just drew these pictures..with out using any references.. just using what ive learned...from past years till now...
The hardest part for me... is when I want to create a picture(project) like a girl dancing in the rain.... i dont do it..because i know if i go through it im gonna not like the end result...cause of my lack of knowledge...

So..for anyone who takes they're time reading this..thank you @--}-----
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-2.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-3.jpg http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-4.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-5.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/052706/Untitled-6.jpg

Rebeccak
05-28-2006, 03:33 PM
Hi there Lute,

Welcome to the Anatomy Forum! :) It is never too late to start, particularly when it is something which you enjoy.

If you want, I can move this thread here:

Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)

and rename it for you to "Anatomy Thread of Lute".

See this thread for information about personal Anatomy Threads:
FAQ: Can I Create My Own Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341167)

I encourage you to look at other peoples' threads and to see what they're up to ~

Links to all Personal Anatomy Threads can be found here:
Anatomy Threads of Individual Users (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2817397&postcount=12)

Thank you for telling us a bit about yourself. Looking forward to seeing more of your studies!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
05-28-2006, 07:10 PM
Hi Lute,

this is just to encourage you!

Draw as much Loomis as you can, I think it will do you good.

Looking forward to your anatomy thread...

:thumbsup:

Lute
05-29-2006, 04:22 PM
To Rebeccak
thank you.. I'll move it myself..and start from the begining.. I was kinda of worried of where to put this...
thank you for listening to my story....

To Mu

:3 - I totally love Andrew Loomis.. I love the way he draw's his subjects... Im very inspired by him... And luckly I was able to find all the books.. and actually printed it out one..and got it bonded..figure drawing for all its worth..

^^;; its alot of paper..and ink.....

Rebeccak
05-29-2006, 10:37 PM
Lute,

No problem! I have moved your thread here (you actually can't do this) and I hope you don't mind that I changed the name, to "Anatomy Thread of Lute".

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
05-29-2006, 10:49 PM
Hiya! :) Some very nice studies, keep it up!

I have one crit, I hope it's ok for me to mention. The large side profile sketch of the head: The chin is far too long and I think the ear is a little too high up. Just thought I'd point this out for future reference :)

I also printed out one of Loomis's books...soooo much paper haha.

I can't wait to see more work from you! :thumbsup:

Lute
05-30-2006, 12:16 AM
OOOH HERE WE GO HERE WE GOOOO..... *grabs her sketchbook*



Rebeccak: ^_^ thank you... that is very kind of you ^_^

enialadam : thank you ^_^ feel free to throw any critcs my way...the long chin..(i dont quite understand how it is long)... i should check up on poroptions of the face
.. i wonder what are the proper porportions.. (i'll totally check it out)
And printing out the Loomis book :3- which one did u print out..
Im going to print out the hands and face one....

:3

Lute
05-30-2006, 12:59 AM
i feel kinda lost...... ever since. ive had my epiphany . i began to study some anatomy by reading and doing research on certain parts of the anatomy.. cause i realized i cannot draw something if im not sure how it functions.. for example ....it took me about 3 weeks to understand how shoulder blades work. But yet.. i still have alot of fustration..of drawing the pictures of ideas i have in my head...


I havent drawn a picture for over 3 years...Im going mad for it..... What ever ideas i have...(i came to the conclusion last week) I write the ideas of the artpeice in my head..and give a very detailed description of how its gonna look like.. which i think its a good thing to do... so i can research on the info on what i need.

I kinda told myself.. i wont do any portraits till i get good on anatomy.. but i feel like im holding myself back..cause i know there is no such thing as the perfect peice..
@_@ *pulls on her braids* help meee ^^;;;

on the other hand....
i think i need to show my most recent work...
bleh.. i feel like i need an art psychatrist(therapist) or something..
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/Gallery/candygirl.jpg spring 2004

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/Gallery/doll.jpg winter 2005 -i lost my mind when i did this... lol
lets just say.. i totall let me inner self out in this one

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/Gallery/whiterose.jpg


a recent one

everything recent would be in there

http://thewhiterose.deviantart.com/

im not sure what to do....

i thought i had a plan....but im kinda not sure
*thinks very hard*

i know...i need to work on making the figures more dynamic...which hence im studying anatomy...hands.. i have to work on that.. ^^;;
hands...
torso.....
heads... (i think i can improve on that greatly)
hair.... i need to figure that one
arms....

maybe i should do...one peice...an actual peice...to see where i am

Any opinion would help ^^;;;

Rebeccak
05-30-2006, 03:51 AM
Hi Lute,

Here are links which I think you will enjoy checking out: :)

Start here: My Skull Shading Tutorial:
The short version:
TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832

My Skull Shading Tutorial using Photoshop:
The long version:
REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259291)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259291

Steven Stahlberg's Black and White to Color Painting Tutorial:
JEALOUSY STEP-BY-STEP (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html)
http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html

Linda Bergkvist's Tutorial on Smooth Blending:
Just some thoughts on smooth blending (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=253711)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=253711

For inspiration see:

SPOTLIGHT: Best of Anatomy Review 003: Shading Tutorial and Human Skull Exercise (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349444)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349444

Also, if you have access to Life Drawing classes / sessions in your area, I highly encourage you to attend. Try finding one that meets after work or on the weekends. Often community colleges offer low cost, uninstructed Figure Drawing Workshops for a small fee.

Also, I highly suggest studying / copying the work of Loomis / other masters, such as Burne Hogarth:

Dynamic Anatomy by Burne Hogarth (Paperback - Dec 2003) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823015521/sr=8-1/qid=1148578196/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0151818-4269719?%5Fencoding=UTF8)

Dynamic Figure Drawing by Burne Hogarth (Paperback - Aug 1996) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823015777/sr=8-2/qid=1148577859/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-0151818-4269719?%5Fencoding=UTF8)

Someone whose thread you should really check out is below, she has done a lot of great Loomis copies and other work of her own:

Anatomy Thread of Lyneran (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303591)

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
05-30-2006, 04:06 AM
Lute,

Also, you should feel free to post here, to the Beginners' Lounge:

Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229

Feel free to post work to both the BL as well as to your own thread, if you like. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Cyanid
06-01-2006, 12:53 AM
hi lute, I like your clean style, bright colors.
Good to study on anatomy, because you have some problems with that (who doesnt... ) Keep updating, I am looking forward to it.

Lute
06-01-2006, 01:54 AM
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/053106/skull.jpg

well.... i started this ..the teeth isnt finished..and i still have a long way to go.. i am surprised... i didnt even erase even once.... i just kept on going... but i did learn alot about shading...
i used this as my reference...
http://www.mangaware.net/images/art/Drawing%20in%20the%20high%20art%20school%201957%2008.jpg

Rebeccak
06-01-2006, 06:52 AM
Lute,

I think you might really benefit from trying this digitally. :)

If you get the chance, take a look at this Tutorial, and perhaps try a digital version of the skull reference linked in this thread:

TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)

Looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
06-01-2006, 10:34 AM
Nice work Lute! I sometimes get a little confused where to start first, there's so much to learn isn't there?

I can't wait to see more work from you! :thumbsup:

Lute
06-03-2006, 06:26 PM
I did alot of stuf fin my sketchbook.. but unfortuantly my scanner can pick up grays so well...
and its a new one too ;-;

i need to make some adjustments on it....

It was fun and it was so hard.. I had to force myself to copy the examples...
And i do see a purpose.....I dont like using the word copy.. But yeah when your copying for educational purpose your mind is going through the process.. of understaning..how was this picture put to gether.. or.. like "oooh so this make sense...
i see it clearly now...
So you through out the bad info.. you carried for os long..and put in the good info....
its actually like understaning how to algebra or dividing...
and you wont get it..till you put yourself through it.......

I am kinda disappointed.. that the rest of the stuff didnt show through....

but here what i have so far....
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106.jpg
so.. yeah.. didnt u know.. when i draw pictures.. its very rare.. i draw a man.. :3
and drawing a man.. isnt so bad.... i should do some side examples again :3
Oh.. Queenie :3 see the man with the tight butt :3 just for u...

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106_2.jpg
ooohkie.... this was the chapter on loomis that i learned about Stationary points and piviot points... and learning how weight is transfered through out the body....
and yeah.. i need to make a couple of more of those....but these a great for gesture study.. :3
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106_3.jpg
another.. set...
... so so far soo good... i did have alot more...
and also.. what i learned..... through the first couple of pages i think i went up to page 50... was a section about the flat diagram.. porportion in relation to the horizion... and ideal porportions at various ages....

If you are ever working on the loomis book
DO NOT IGNORE THESE EXERCISES...... its very helpful..and it well help you with your creativity and your pictures in the long run..
any who..gonna work on some more stuff... :3@--}----

Ego
06-03-2006, 06:35 PM
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060106/060106.jpg
so.. yeah.. didnt u know.. when i draw pictures.. its very rare.. i draw a man.. :3
and drawing a man.. isnt so bad.... i should do some side examples again :3
Oh.. Queenie :3 see the man with the tight butt :3 just for u...



You are right, I love those sketches a lot. Will you be shading these?

Rebeccak
06-03-2006, 06:38 PM
Hi Lute,

Don't be disappointed with yourself, just keep going ~ fill a sketchbook with these, and by the end, you will be better, and so forth. Set a goal to do several of these a day. You will notice incremental changes. Looking forward to seeing more of your work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
06-04-2006, 12:38 AM
You are right, I love those sketches a lot. Will you be shading these?

not yet... but i do plan to remake one....and that one will be shaded out....

Lute
06-06-2006, 05:41 AM
moving on...moving on...
some stuff today...
I think im about 4 pages away..till i start learning about the bones and muscles.... but i think im gonna open up hogarth's book anatomy of the head...cause im itching to do some actualy drawings..and i wanna get a head start....oh yeah

Im also doing the skull painting over but this is what i have so far from last time

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/skull2.jpg
im doing this over.... and im surprised to say..there alot of things i didnt see before..that i am seeing now..
here are some stuff for today

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060506/Untitled-1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060506/Untitled-2.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/060506/Untitled-3.jpg

Rebeccak
06-06-2006, 05:48 AM
Lute,

It's great to see all your studies, and I actually think you're doing quite well on the skull painting! :) Do you really think it's necessary to start over? Digitally, things are so easy to change, as long as you are familiar with some basic editing features in PS, you should be able to rearrange the size and position of features relatively easily. It's up to you, however. :)

I am liking the pages of Loomis studies, and hope to see more of these. Each page is a step in the right direction, and I look forward to seeing your progress as you continue to update your thread. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
06-08-2006, 01:00 AM
soooo...yesterday..i decided to do some head studies with hogarth
and everything was fine.. until.. i got stuck with this

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/help.jpg I look at this picture..and i think to myself. HOW THE HELL IM GOING TO EXCUTE THAT!

soooo.for the next 4 hours. i tried to figure out how to do it

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606.jpg
No,thats not it.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606_1.jpg
i got fustrated and decided to work on another head... on the right head side.. the head on the lower right i never drew heads in that direction before..
WOW! now i learned something new

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606_2.jpg


okay..back to figuring out 4/5 or 2/4 view downward head..
i got fustrated.went to cgtalk.and llyana and mat gave some extra advice.. then all of a sudden. i took out a pencil. drew in the hogarth book broke down the face to simple shapes i can understand then all of a sudden it clicked


http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060606_3.jpg

Something for today

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060706_1.jpg
(http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/060706_.jpg)

Rudeone
06-08-2006, 09:40 PM
Good to see that you figured things out, it can be a very frustrating journey but there will always be moments that something becomes much clearer and that's when you improve.
I already can see improvement in your more recent sketches when I compare it with your first.
Also, it's a good thing to dropp the anime style, I know it's a wonderfull style but it won't get you anywhere and you will get stuck at one point (speaking from experience here :D ).
This is a rather funny discussion on CA.org about why it's a good thing to learn figure drawing first: link (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69130&highlight=manga+anatomy) , in post 17 someone illustrates it really funny with a kickass piece by Jason Chan.

Lute
06-08-2006, 10:12 PM
check other post

Lute
06-08-2006, 10:15 PM
Good to see that you figured things out, it can be a very frustrating journey but there will always be moments that something becomes much clearer and that's when you improve.
I already can see improvement in your more recent sketches when I compare it with your first.
Also, it's a good thing to dropp the anime style, I know it's a wonderfull style but it won't get you anywhere and you will get stuck at one point (speaking from experience here :D ).
This is a rather funny discussion on CA.org about why it's a good thing to learn figure drawing first: link (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69130&highlight=manga+anatomy) , in post 17 someone illustrates it really funny with a kickass piece by Jason Chan.

:) i posted in that thread under the name of White Rose....

The thing is that..over the past couple of years.. and when I awakened I realized..
every art style.. that used the human body as an expressive tool..
There is the one main thing that is understood.. for the artist is that.

Form follows function.
which means in order,to draw the body any way and any form..any style..
You had to know how to draw it..

I remeber there were alot of art peices I wanted to make but I couldnt do it. Because I lacked the knowledge for doing it. Hence, why I barely drew as much as I wanted had drawing blocks. and etc. And built alot of fear because at the time I didnt know why i just couldnt draw.

For years, I would ask my fellow friends, who are artists (very amazing artist I might add) They would tell me, draw from life do this do that. It went through one ear and out the other. How foolish I was.

Anime or not the main thing I realized was that if i wanted to draw better. I had to start from the foundations... And that guy who posted about that comment, its gonna take a long while till he realizes it too.

In clonclusion, my view on art, has completely changed. Did you know, now, every day Im always drawing. I work on things that I lack. I read up on art books. And Im seriously thinking about doing an OFDW.

I do hope Im able to explain it well, thank you for looking out

mybutterflyiris
06-08-2006, 10:46 PM
Hmmm....I never knew there was an actual place called Holliswood. Have you ever heard of the children's book "Pictures of Hollis Woods"? It's kind of sad in my opinion but really well written. I wonder if there is a connection.

I'm glad you aren't giving up when you stumble upon something you perseive as challenging. One of my art edu. prof. set up a massive still life one day and pointed out that college students complain that they can't possibly do it before drawing a single stroke. Whereas elementary school children just draw and don't even think about it. The difference is they have already decided in their minds that they can't draw. I think there is alot of things that are only in the mind that we need to overcome to be better artists. We hold ourselves back.

Lute
06-08-2006, 10:58 PM
Hmmm....I never knew there was an actual place called Holliswood. Have you ever heard of the children's book "Pictures of Hollis Woods"? It's kind of sad in my opinion but really well written. I wonder if there is a connection.

I'm glad you aren't giving up when you stumble upon something you perseive as challenging. One of my art edu. prof. set up a massive still life one day and pointed out that college students complain that they can't possibly do it before drawing a single stroke. Whereas elementary school children just draw and don't even think about it. The difference is they have already decided in their minds that they can't draw. I think there is alot of things that are only in the mind that we need to overcome to be better artists. We hold ourselves back.

I never heard of that book either. The funny thing about queens which is the country i live in. That it is all divided up into different towns. The 5 boroughs of NY/NYC. Bronx and Manhattan and some parts of brooklyn. Are only known as cities, not as towns. Its wierd though.

About holding ourselves back, that can be applied to anything. My favorite example is like how i used to have alot of problems with math. There were alot of things I refused to do especially the homework, because I simiply did not understand it. Until one day, a teacher Ms. Lee went to the blackboard did a math problem, showed it step by step. It clicked.

And since then, Im capable of doing Level 3 calculus.

Whats the moral story of the story... Complex things, all come from simple things.
You cant multiply if you cant add. You cant divide if you cant subtract.and so on and so on :3

Cyanid
06-09-2006, 08:32 PM
I fear calculus...
good to see you practising! should do it more myself. Keep it up!!

Elliepower
06-09-2006, 09:04 PM
Hi Lute,

nice to see your start with the anatomy thread. But it sounds so sad, please, don't force yourself too much, it should bring fun and the sun into your heart if you try to express yourself while sketching and painting.

Have fun, it is not the main thing to be perfect or to improve faster than light. I visited a museum and watched at the old masters, beautiful pictures and than I recognize to loosen up my mind. It is ok to work at the skills, but with fun and a smile at your face.

And try to paint something you really enjoy, where you can express your imagination. For me this means flying and there is no hard work in my mind. Only hard work on excerises can be very hard and, for me, boring, hehe. And my start is also a late one, this doesn't matter, drawing is something you can begin at every age.

Ciao,
Ellie

Lute
06-10-2006, 04:10 AM
Hi Lute,

nice to see your start with the anatomy thread. But it sounds so sad, please, don't force yourself too much, it should bring fun and the sun into your heart if you try to express yourself while sketching and painting.

Have fun, it is not the main thing to be perfect or to improve faster than light. I visited a museum and watched at the old masters, beautiful pictures and than I recognize to loosen up my mind. It is ok to work at the skills, but with fun and a smile at your face.

And try to paint something you really enjoy, where you can express your imagination. For me this means flying and there is no hard work in my mind. Only hard work on excerises can be very hard and, for me, boring, hehe. And my start is also a late one, this doesn't matter, drawing is something you can begin at every age.

Ciao,
Ellie

Hey Ellie,
I never really thought it about that way. I guess you was able to read bettween the lines. ^^;; i have a bad habit of getting way way way too focus..
I see the tree but not the forest. I should try, to take my learning and trying to draw... better at the same time. Like if i have an idea.. just do it..and if im stuck..research it
So that every art peice is like a enjoyment of learning..
And I do love to learn.

Thank You for peice of wisdom :3

^_^ I another epiphany :3 aint life grand..........

Rebeccak
06-13-2006, 12:20 AM
Lute,

Two really good books which I think you might enjoy are Art and Fear (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0961454733/sr=8-1/qid=1150154241/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5712352-2500727?%5Fencoding=UTF8) and The Artist's Way (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585421464/qid=1150154302/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5712352-2500727?s=books&v=glance&n=283155). Both are great for addressing some of the psychological blocks (which can often be significant for any artist) that prevent us from truly enjoying art, or sometimes from creating art at all. I will admit to not having read Art and Fear, but have heard great things about it, but have read The Artist's Way (Julia Cameron is a terrific author) and really recommend it to anyone interested in art. :)

I think your studies are coming along well, and hope to see more of them. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
06-14-2006, 05:44 AM
Lute,

Two really good books which I think you might enjoy are Art and Fear (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0961454733/sr=8-1/qid=1150154241/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5712352-2500727?%5Fencoding=UTF8) and The Artist's Way (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1585421464/qid=1150154302/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5712352-2500727?s=books&v=glance&n=283155). Both are great for addressing some of the psychological blocks (which can often be significant for any artist) that prevent us from truly enjoying art, or sometimes from creating art at all. I will admit to not having read Art and Fear, but have heard great things about it, but have read The Artist's Way (Julia Cameron is a terrific author) and really recommend it to anyone interested in art. :)

I think your studies are coming along well, and hope to see more of them. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thank You Rebeccak...
I actually ordered those books.. so im up for an intresting reading weekend..if the books come before then

other than that..ive been seriously slacking..hence to the RF online game ^^;;; im so bad

so..

I really enjoy drawing... it cleanses my mind and soul.. I still havent done anything original as of yet... But I actually "read" the hogarth book on drawing the human head and realized.. im not using it correctly... The purpose of the book..is too give you the foundation on how to build the head... cause... head shapes are different of course...

so... i know the structure of the head..for me is off..so im gonna work on a couple more..before..going on with the next exercises...

: / i would like to create something original though..some time soon
oh well
here are the pictures

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061306_1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061306_2.jpg

Thomasphoenix
06-14-2006, 07:26 PM
Rose, I would highly recommend Burne Hogarths "Dynamic Figure drawing" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-3819740-0894460?url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=dynamic+figure+drawing&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go) and Robert Beverly Hales "Drawing lessons from the Greatr Masters" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823014010/qid=1150309462/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-3819740-0894460?s=books&v=glance&n=283155). And Victor Perard's "Anatomy and Drawing" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486432963/qid=1150309523/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-3819740-0894460?s=books&v=glance&n=283155) were my textbook's for years.Still feel refreshed if I go through them

You dont know how right you are with regard to that calculus example believe me , I know what you mean:).Hope to see you bloom here ,as an Artist!

Rist
06-14-2006, 08:02 PM
I borrowed that hogarth book from my college library and I too highly recommend it over his Dynamic Anatomy. But then again if you want to also learn the history of anatomy, then the latter is better. The one Thomas recommends has lots of figureative sketches and techniques hogarth tries to teach you. Its well worth the cash.

Keep going with the studying, it really does improve ones knowledge and sketching skills.

You should try a 3B/4B pencil, and then loosen your strokes somewhat to allow freedom. This develops interesting strokes and a gradiation in tone. Use a Putty rubber to rub lines out as the hard rubbers can be too extreme. If you are the perfectionist, then go back over your sketches with a fine liner/Tria marker pen; this cleans up the lines and gives it a clearer meaning, which is essential for studying.

Lute
06-14-2006, 10:26 PM
Rose, I would highly recommend Burne Hogarths "Dynamic Figure drawing" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-3819740-0894460?url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above&field-keywords=dynamic+figure+drawing&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go) and Robert Beverly Hales "Drawing lessons from the Greatr Masters" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823014010/qid=1150309462/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-3819740-0894460?s=books&v=glance&n=283155). And Victor Perard's "Anatomy and Drawing" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0486432963/qid=1150309523/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-3819740-0894460?s=books&v=glance&n=283155) were my textbook's for years.Still feel refreshed if I go through them

You dont know how right you are with regard to that calculus example believe me , I know what you mean:).Hope to see you bloom here ,as an Artist!

You know what..you guys are gonna make me broke ..*laughs*
i just bought the dynamic figure drawing.. allready.. the perards book.. i might need to put that on hold till... I get through the loomis and hogarths book :3

But I got hogarths anatomy drawing of the head.... :3 Every day when i do a lesson..im learning things i didnt learn before...

Hopefully I'll get to post some new work from that today... :3

Rebeccak
06-16-2006, 01:55 AM
Lute,

It's great to hear that you have ordered those books, as I think that they will all stand you in good stead (though yes, buying books can be a bad habit for one's wallet) :D and it's good to see you continuing with your studies. Keep at them, as they will make doing 'personal' work that much easier, but of course there is nothing to prevent you from doing work that is your own ~ just so long as you continue with the studies as well. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
06-18-2006, 01:13 AM
so.. i tried to draw some heads from memeory... here how it turned out

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061706_1.jpg
i think out of all the heads i drew in my life time.. im very proud of this one


http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061706_2.jpg
top one..pretty good..
bottom one... back to the drawing board....

Rebeccak
06-18-2006, 01:25 AM
Lute,

Nice job with these! :)

The top head in particular is quite nice, and I see you've finished the ear. :thumbsup: Keep going with these, remember that the more you do, the easier it will become. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

kary
06-18-2006, 02:27 AM
Hey thats coming along :) I am finding it very difficult to work purely from memory and imagination, so I think I know what you're going through. The top one finished up nicely, and the top one on the second page seems on for that angle -- the bottom one isn't a complete loss either imo. The nose hooks on quite well, the issue is with the jaw and getting the eyes more recessed.

I'll just echo Rebecca and say that doing a lot of them (even if some of them aren't very neat) will help solidify it :)

Lute
06-19-2006, 03:07 AM
something im currently working on...
used a little reference from my art book... on some things.. but i need to get a better reference that has the same position of head im drawing...
drawing noses in different views is a toughie..

i also kinda think.. i should.. write a small blurb.to help me outline..what ever what i want to create.. i mean.. yeah i like to create stuff out of nowhere... but that doesnt seem to work out for me
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/061806_1.jpg

any crits will be greally welcomed :3

Rist
06-19-2006, 09:55 AM
My very first anatomy part was the head, you could say it introduced me to anatomy in general. I would say with all the guidelines and such its the best part to start with, its the most understook part too.

Rebeccak
06-20-2006, 02:34 AM
Lute,

You're doing great. :) I don't think crits are really necessary at this point, as really the important thing is for you to draw a lot, make mistakes, and gradually learn, through the course of doing a lot of work, what mistakes have been made in the past. Let's see a lot more drawings here ~ with each drawing, I guarantee that you will learn something new.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lute
06-27-2006, 04:41 AM
*bangs her head on her desk*

ell.. this past weekenend.. a friend of mine.. saw my thread.... and he said to me..that my stuff was unstructured.. He mostly expressed that..akk of my stuff..well..anything involving anatomy is very stiff... And sadly.. its soooo very true.. alot of my artwork that ive done..is very stiff and lacks motion.. and no matter how much..anatomy i learn... i'll have this "stiffness" in the drawings.. he recommended me.. "some drawing comic book superheros" the one by stan lee and john buscama..a chapter that talked about the action line..and the next chapter...

so...i took a hold.. of learning how to draw anything else.. i need to shake this stiffness out of me.. its funny..when i draw..anything.. i feel stiff..i cant shake it out of me.. they say..when you draw something in movment.. u can
"feel" the movement

anywho..this is what i was working on over the weekend..
a couple of gestures

the first 4.. was from my imagination....
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062406_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062406.jpg

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062506_1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062506_2.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/062506_3.jpg

the last two right here..was me watching people in the subway,alot of the times. i had to sketch as fast as i can..and then put down..the rest i remebered.

aLoneCuzzo
06-27-2006, 05:22 AM
Coool stuff.. I know what you mean about the stiffness... you might want to just do stuff from life or doing master drawings... that's i've been trying

Rebeccak
06-27-2006, 09:02 PM
Lute,

Good to see your sketches. :) Keep practicing, it all builds up. I think you should try a mix of Master Studies and these Gesture Studies. It's often a good idea to be studying two different kinds of things as once, as they will feed into and inform each other. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

erilaz
06-28-2006, 02:10 AM
Great groundwork lute. You keep going with this and you'll be kickass in no time.

Lute
07-06-2006, 03:59 PM
i guess i'll make this quick.. i was stuck in a rut.. and i was able to do something today..
i guess when i go home.. i'll post a bit more
its nothing much.. but its still something.. :3
please critique :3
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070506.jpg

kary
07-07-2006, 01:43 AM
Hi Lute I'll try to do a few crits:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6493/paintover6fn.gif
You've made great strides on the individual elements. The lips are liplike, the nose reads well, and the eyes have everything in them. The next bit will be getting em all in the right places. Of course individual heads are... individual... but the guide lines i have in there are the 'standard' bits.

Really seems like you've made great strides on all the pieces, and I know you've done some work on the head in perspective so it should all come together for you well :)

Lute
07-07-2006, 05:10 AM
im to tired..to think.. got to collect refrences.. trying to push
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070606.jpg

Lute
07-09-2006, 04:46 AM
to tired to think
here we go

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070806_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/070806_2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-10-2006, 07:13 AM
Lute,

You're doing a nice job with these, I think the key to your improvement will be quantity; keep going! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
07-14-2006, 01:31 AM
I cant beleive ive been going at this since early may or june... :3
but i feel like.. im ready to push it a bit more... hehehe
well here are some things...

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_1.jpg
i have a very bad habit.. on drawing on post-its at work.. i thought it was bs..because i thought there was no way i could scan them in. but i decieded to take the ones i did.. and im surprised on how im able to scan them in :3
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_2.jpg
Well i used to remeber when I used draw (back in the day) the one area that made me not sure... of myself was the shoulders and neck..especially when you have to draw it in different positions. well i got fustrated took out an anatomy book.. and just studied...it
and you know what :3 i learned somehting new. In this post it. I did everything i learned from memory. Im kidna impressed with the guy i drew. hehehee :3
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_3.jpg
a couple of more... with the post-its
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_4.jpg
did this with pen..when i got home. I am feeling more confident about this. But what lacks is my imagination to create more gestures. Hmm.. listening to good music helps. You get to imagine different body positions.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_5.jpg
I always loved drawing with pen. but you got to be precise with it.. or else it gets messy
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_6.jpg
some poses you might recongize it from hogarth..and some are mine :3
you figure it out HAHAHAHA

but i did realize something. i need to work on shading. especially when it comes to where to place the shadows on the face.

Rebeccak
07-18-2006, 12:09 AM
Lute,

Really like the direction these types of sketches are going in:


http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071206_3.jpg

Nicely loose, structural, not literal. Keep aiming for this!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lute
07-18-2006, 12:44 AM
Lute,

Really like the direction these types of sketches are going in:

Nicely loose, structural, not literal. Keep aiming for this!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak



hehehe ^_^
thank you..im trying ^^;; :3 ibut im surprised on how much i learned about the neck

Lute
07-18-2006, 01:57 AM
something new.. i did last night.. i soo need to work on the anatomy..
:( not happy on how i drew the eyes..
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071606_1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2006, 07:51 AM
Hi Lute,

Keep after it! I really think you ought to try to do a few master copies from the 50 Portraits Thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031&page=1&pp=35). Why not just try one or two? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
07-20-2006, 05:53 AM
Hi Lute,

Keep after it! I really think you ought to try to do a few master copies from the 50 Portraits Thread (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031&page=1&pp=35). Why not just try one or two? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

thank you Rebeccak...
i have the first image on top of my computer...
im too lazy to start ^^;;;

Lute
07-20-2006, 05:57 AM
IM HERE TO PUMP *CLAPS* YOU UP
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071906_1.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/071906_2.jpg

*yawns* this is not easy. i got lazy. but i have a good idea on the form. especially when i drew one front side and back side. i can imagine how it looks in 3d. but i dont think thats enough. i dont know how im going to be able to have this in my head.s o it will be easier to recall it.when i need to draw an arm
oh well.
when i have a better grasps on the arms. next stop.. hands

Rebeccak
07-21-2006, 01:12 PM
Lute,

Nice to see these studies ~ actually am pretty impressed, these don't look as though they cost you much effort, so keep going ~ would like to see hand studies as well. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
07-23-2006, 01:54 AM
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072206_2.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072206_1.jpg

:shrug: tries to the first OFTD (head thing)

Rebeccak
07-23-2006, 05:13 PM
Lute,

Give the 50 Portraits Workshop (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031&page=1&pp=15) a try! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
07-30-2006, 06:34 AM
its been a while since i've last updated, but like kistu said. long before.when i dont post. im actually doing something. and i have, since wednesday. ive been taking figure drawing classes. so i had stuff to but i need to take a photo of them since they're 18 by 24. but..today i also went to class,which was cool i learned alot about the shoulder area. Im not sure how.. its gonna improve my work. nor how to take the information in I guess by looking at the structure and understand how it is. ?
any tips?

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_2.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_3.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_5.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/072906_6.jpg

Lute
08-01-2006, 04:48 AM
Well today was a toughie, I wasnt sure if i wanted to go to figure drawing class, but i went http://conceptart.org/forums/images/ca_smilies/normal/anj_smiley.gif. and it was good. The guy who posed for us. Geeze louise..he did alot of difficult poses. I was soo close to say "OH HELLLL NO, i cant draw that!"
*laughs* so here we go
im trying to figure out a method to capture the poses as quickly. im going to try the shapes idea again.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/073106_1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/073106_2.jpg


the last pose was 80 minutes. but the guy moved about 3 or 4 times, so the light source kept on changing... grrrrr
oh well http://conceptart.org/forums/images/ca_smilies/normal/anj_smiley.gif.. i am learning ^_^

http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/073106_3.jpg

Lute
08-05-2006, 02:55 PM
That day, I learned sooo much. It was hard to do from 2 - 15 minute poses. But I tried. At the end of class the teacher pulled me over and wanted to see what i was working on.
Long story short, she was fustrated when she i used shapes to construct the image. She told me (which surprised me) that at this point, i do have a grasp on the human anatomy and i should really draw what i see. I asked her, then why do people construct the body with shapes. She stated that " the usage of shapes is mostly for biggenners to understand the mass and form.
Also, if you continue to use shapes to define things. your not going to be able to see past the true form on the body, arms will always look a cylinders legs would like cubes (etc) in which actually they cary the form of the shapes but..visually its all curves and depressions. She gave me a peice of a verterbrea to take home and told me to draw it. from every possible angle you can take off. Im going to force you to see objects, also dont forget to draw from life as much as you can

i never met a teacher who would literally try to force me into the next step.

but here are the pictures.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_1.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_2.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_3.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_4.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_5.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_6.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_7.jpghttp://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/080206_8.jpg

Rebeccak
08-05-2006, 03:18 PM
Lute,

It's great to see your figure drawing class work! I think it will do you a world of good, and I am pleased to hear that your teacher is really forcing you to push your skills further. Looking forward to seeing how your pieces develop. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lute
08-17-2006, 11:50 PM
some new stuff

Lute
08-25-2006, 04:32 PM
i've been working on this picture.. and its at the point i dont think i can do anymore with it.
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_7.jpg
i was told that it looks to tight..and that i should work on gesturing to bring more "flow" into the body and face (sigh) but i did learn about the poroprtion thing , much more throughly
2-5 5 minutes poses in my fiugre drawing class.http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_4.jpg
http://indigodreams.kuiki.net/sketchbook/082306_6.jpg

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