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RobertoOrtiz
05-25-2006, 02:57 PM
Quote:

"Nintendo revealed to Famitsu.com (http://www.famitsu.com/), at the company’s recent press conference unveiling its financial results, that Wii would arrive in Japanese stores with a maximum price tag of 25,000 yen."

>>LINK<< (http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/05/25/nintendo-announces-japanese-wii-price.htm)
-R

Zanmato
05-25-2006, 03:02 PM
Wii = £150. PS3 = £450. It's a no brainer for me. I get the feeling Sony's days are numbered as the dominant games market force.

SHEPEIRO
05-25-2006, 03:07 PM
yep looks that way, esp in Japan,

some intereting numbers from edge-online (http://www.edge-online.co.uk/) originally in Famitsu:

The tides have shifted in Japan, it seems. A week after a poll asking what Famitsu readers were most interested in during E3 showed a majority seeking more PS3 information, a new polling of readers' reactions to E3 has been published and shows the readership's overwhelming preference for one console in particular: the Wii. Nearly 69% of those polled said they looked forward to the Wii after its first major reveal, compared to 21% favorably eyeing the PS3, just over 7% the Xbox 360, and 3% looking forward to the DS' new showings.

and

There's good reason to believe the lowered support for the PS3 may have something to do with its finally revealed price, the poll also showed 88.4% of respondents saying the console's price was too high. But, despite their reservations, readers pointed toward Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Monster Hunter 3 (which didn't make it to E3, but which Capcom quietly announced during the week) as part of their top 10 most wanted forthcoming games, with Zelda (the #1 most wanted game), Dragon Quest Swords, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, and the yet-unseen Resident Evil Wii game making the list in Nintendo's stable, and, surprisingly, Halo 3 coming in at #10.

DarkTure
05-25-2006, 03:25 PM
Thats a good price :)

PyRoT
05-25-2006, 03:32 PM
So in Australia it should be $300 AU while in the US $250.
The PS3 has been estiamted at $850 and $1000 here in Australia. The Wii being 1/3 the price of the proper PS3 is a very big deal. You could probably score around 10 games for the extra $700 here in Aus...

I gotta let this infrmation really sink in...

Tomek

RobertoOrtiz
05-25-2006, 03:55 PM
Quote:
"Nintendo has announced that it intends to ship 6 million Wii units by March next year, confirming that the console will retail for USD 250 or less when it goes on sale in the US."

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17273


-R

EpShot
05-25-2006, 04:32 PM
the article says "$225".. $250 with a second controller.

seriously at that price, what gamer will not own one.
And with so many owners, think of all the developers :applause:

all i have to say is... (wait for it)..


s-wii-t!:D

enygma
05-25-2006, 05:04 PM
Hahaha... hell yah. I haven't been much into gaming lately, but the Wii has gotten both my wife and I stoked about the upcoming console. I showed her some of the videos from E3 of the Wii and she can't wait.

At that price, I think they have sealed the deal for me. I don't think I'll even bother thinking about the XBox 360 or PS3.

GatorNic
05-25-2006, 05:18 PM
yeah they have really sealed the deal for me. I haven't bought a console since the Super Nintendo! I would usually just play friends console or PC games. But the backwards compatibililty, price and the possibilites with this new controller have really done it for me. :thumbsup:

Larry_g1s
05-25-2006, 05:20 PM
$225 US...<drools>...that's a done deal. And I agree, I think alot of people are going to jump on board with the Wii, which means so will developers. Viva la Revolution..er Wii...

Ninjas
05-25-2006, 05:21 PM
In that last inteview the Nintedo guy said "look at our past record" so I'm betting on a $199.99 price point for the US.

SheepFactory
05-25-2006, 05:37 PM
This will make a very nice companion to my 360 :D

Cyro
05-25-2006, 06:32 PM
I still don't understand why they didn't reveal the price at e3. Could it be after seeing PS3's price tag, Nintendo decided to bump up the price?

DevilHacker
05-25-2006, 06:34 PM
Why not just spend the extra $50 and get an 360... ?
I dont see how this price will help nintendo. Lower the price another $50... than we have a winner...
:shrug:

Edit: Guess I should have added that this was just my personal opinion of the worth/value ratio.

Boxsmiley
05-25-2006, 06:42 PM
Because the extra 50 won't get me a Wiimote...but it could get me two! :D

Cronholio
05-25-2006, 06:43 PM
Why not just spend the extra $50 and get an 360... ?
I dont see how this price will help nintendo. Lower the price another $50... than we have a winner...
:shrug:

Because the 360 won't run Nintendo's games ;P That's why not.

EpShot
05-25-2006, 06:44 PM
when the xbox lowers its price 100, Ill get one :D

but first a Wii!

Kaostick
05-25-2006, 06:46 PM
Why not just spend the extra $50 and get an 360... ?

Cause I can't play Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, or TG16 games on a 360.. Does that make me a fanboy? Maybe. Do I care? Nope. :D

EpShot
05-25-2006, 06:53 PM
but what about Halo? don't you enjoy using an aimbot with a joystick?

in all seriousness, Dead risign looks frieking awsome, and i do plan to get an Xbox, but only after they drop the price to compete with the PS3. which i'll get in another year.

Gehof
05-25-2006, 06:53 PM
a-wii-leujah! ... yep ... that was pretty weak. but...

A-WII_LEUJAH! I simply Cannot WAIT for this system, especially after having seen the new Rayman game. Go Wii Go! Nintendo has converted me from Sony's camp all so quickly!

csmallfield
05-25-2006, 06:57 PM
Why not just spend the extra $50 and get an 360... ?
I dont see how this price will help nintendo. Lower the price another $50... than we have a winner...
:shrug:

You say it like the XBOX 360 is a better system or an upgrade to the Wii. They are both good in there own right (as it seems right now). Nintendo opted for lower CPU type tech and went for more new and innovative types of games, while the xbox 360 has more advanced tech, but same old games, it sort of feels like playing a PC with a controller. So let's say they are even quality, but ones $50 less. I'm going for the Wii, but honestly I'll probably end up with all of them since I am weak willed :)

albedo4800hp
05-25-2006, 07:11 PM
Wii. They are both good in there own right (as it seems right now). Nintendo opted for lower CPU type tech and went for more new and innovative types of


Sorry I don't want to spoil the party but the innovative game types I am still waiting to see, anything which has been announced so far or I've seen at E3 from Nintendo did not look innovative to me. (Zelda the same old stuff, so Mario, Super Smash Brawl yep seen that before, Mario Tennis yep as well that shooter from UbiSoft. Yep lightgun shooters are pretty oldschool have seen these in the arcade since at least 1988) I really would like to see the innovative games, tell me where are they on the Wii?

Ninjas
05-25-2006, 07:15 PM
I like your logic. "The game has Mario as a character ergo it has uninnovative gameplay."

P_T
05-25-2006, 07:35 PM
Also, those arcade shooter games, they're just rail shooter game, you can't control where you're going.

To copy what was said in the Pixar's CAR thread, nothing is really original, it's how you tell your story, or in this case, how you can make people interact with the game.

EpShot
05-25-2006, 07:43 PM
i would say the new tennis is <sarcasm>slightly</sarcasm> more interactive than before.

i even have a friend who has no interest in buying a Wii, say the tennis game was "Really fun"

PhilOsirus
05-25-2006, 08:01 PM
Playing the same kinds of games with a different controller doesn't make it a different experience anyway. The one thing that is great about Wii controller is the ability to point at the screen, but now that the PS3 can have a keyboard and mouse hooked up to it I find the Wii controller to be more of a gimmick, and add to this the low specs of the system. If you get a highend console like the PS3, you can still get games like Alien Hominid, Viewtifull Joe, or Monkey Ball, but also games like Metal Gear, Assassin's Creed, Final Fantasy, Battlefield 3 and practically any PC games that will be ported as well (so no need to upgrade your PC just for games) and your games will be in HD (and you will have an HD TV anyway at some point).

I totally understand where Nintendo is going with this, they are continuing along the line that made the DS so successful, but as an avid gamer that is not what I am expecting from a next-gen console. But if the price is that low then yes I might even get one along with my other console:)

Mysterious X
05-25-2006, 08:05 PM
Because the 360 won't run Nintendo's games ;P That's why not.

...it's a fact..look it up..:D

P_T
05-25-2006, 08:18 PM
Playing the same kinds of games with a different controller doesn't make it a different experience anyway.

... but as an avid gamer that is not what I am expecting from a next-gen console.

Y'know, playing the same kinds of games with same old controller is even less "next-gen" don't you think? What is it that you expect from a next gen console anyway? just better graphic/physics?

It's kinda like using PS with a mouse vs wacom. It's not the same I know but the concept is the same, trying to emulate movement from real life. When you draw on paper you use pencil/pen, with PS you use Wacom (which is lucky coz they only have to emulate drawing so they make the controller look like a pen/pencil). With Wii, they'll be trying to emulate a lot of different actions from using a gun (point at screen) to slashing a sword (well, slashing the controller around). I for one find it more natural and appealing than pressing different buttons.

TumikSmacker
05-25-2006, 08:22 PM
Keep in mind that the Wiis graphics are only slightly better then Gamecubes. Its nothing close to 360 or PS3. The only thing its got is the new controller. PS3(BR) and 360 (HD-DVD) will play High Def Movies. To me its not even in the same ball park. You get what you pay for.

EpShot
05-25-2006, 08:35 PM
everyone's been sayign 2-3 tiems the xbox in terms of graphics. thats quite a bit more than "slightly better than the gamecube"

PhilOsirus
05-25-2006, 08:36 PM
Y'know, playing the same kinds of games with same old controller is even less "next-gen" don't you think? What is it that you expect from a next gen console anyway? just better graphic/physics?

Making a new controller doesn't mean making new or better games. It's the games themselves that matter.

I do expect better graphics and physics from next-gen games, but for the sake of making the play experience a better one. It can be for a game like Geometry Wars (which would not have been possible on SNES because of the high number of particles for example) or for a game like Battlefield that makes the experience of being on an actual battlefield more believable as well as more enjoyable. More people can play togheter on the same maps (60 people now and I expect more in the future), the environments can be destroyed as the battles progress which breaks the linearity of the gameplay and makes each battle unique, larger battlefields with more varied types of terrain (hide in the snow, or underwater, etc).

How about for a racing game? It's now possible to simulate the realism found in real-life racing in a much more believable manner than ever before. Race tracks will no longer be uniformly wet, there are parts of the track that accumulate more water which has a direct impact on the way you and others will race against each other. Mud leaves stains on the windshield, the mud deforms itself to an extent that those riding dirt bikes will use alternate routes that can be riskier but faster and which cars and trucks can't use, mud dries after a while, again all to break the linearity of the game, making each race a unique one. And it's always possible to just turn off those features if you want an arcade-style race.

I could go on, but yes, that is what I expect from next-gen. And like I said, there is nothing that stops such a console from having games that do not require high-end graphics. The 360 already demonstrated that with Xbox Live arcade. I don't hate the consoles' current controllers, I think they work fine, but I am waiting in anticipation for the gameplay experience to be available on highend consoles which I don't think I can find with the Wii.

EpShot
05-25-2006, 08:42 PM
the reason i think the Wii is much more Revolutionary, is its a system built around the interaction of a new controller.

everything you described i can already get on a PC, and that will surpass the consoles within 6 months, if you dont' consider them surpassed already (high end tech, i can certainly respect the relative price of the PS3 vs a new computer) again i plan to get all three, but i see nothign special about the PS3 or Xbox 360. Just that they have games like dead rising and Armored core 4 and racing games that I want to play.

The wii is the onlything that has anything new.

NeptuneImaging
05-25-2006, 08:58 PM
And I think the Wii will be a great addition to my already mountain of consoles I have now. Believe me, a lot of little kids and adults alike will get one hell of a workout by not staying on the couch playing with a standard controller....and the price point for the Wii sounds good to me....

I remember as a little kid, I wanted to emulate the movements of the characters on screen: NOW I CAN :).

Sidenote: I think I remember hearing about being able to create you own games for the Wi, and put it onlinei. Is that true?

CupOWonton
05-25-2006, 09:02 PM
Very good price. I still wish sony would just nock that big ol chip off their shoulder and replace their BlueRay with a DVD or HD-DVD drive. It just isnt going to work well for them with that price tag. I already dont like the UMD's for PSP, and their UMD movie sales arent that good anyway, what makes them think a BlueRay is going to do even better?
Nintendo has a great idea. Cheap console cost, enjoyable games, large user base. It isnt alwayse about how powerfull something is, but what you do with the resources you have. Thats why PSX and PS2 won the last 2 console battles. Looks like nintendo is back to take controll of the console war this round. Frankly, X360 is pretty much useless if theyre pusing those games for PC. Why not get PC versions instead?

wolfmanyoda
05-25-2006, 09:12 PM
I've almost always waited for the first price drop to get a new console, but I just have to ask:
When is EB taking pre-orders for the Wii??

NeptuneImaging
05-25-2006, 09:30 PM
I am definitely getting a Wii (Haven;t bought any Nintendo since the N64). I was going to buy a X360, but I am waiting for developers to push the gameplay boundaries on the console...the graphics are marvelous. But now I am waiting for gameplay innovations on the next gen consoles.

Nintendo is playing a very smart strategy by making sure to cater to the gameplay more.

Yourworstnightmare
05-25-2006, 09:41 PM
I've almost always waited for the first price drop to get a new console, but I just have to ask:
When is EB taking pre-orders for the Wii??

Me too, but i went to EB last week and they said that preorders should start during the middle of next month.

mbroeska
05-25-2006, 10:02 PM
Race tracks will no longer be uniformly wet, there are parts of the track that accumulate more water which has a direct impact on the way you and others will race against each other.

RC ProAm had wet and dry spots (http://screenmania.retrogames.com/nes/01/nes_0009_16.png) on the courses. :D

ParamountCell
05-25-2006, 11:23 PM
http://www.4colorrebellion.net/media/pics/06/05/250.gif


Well yea, that is the price I expected. It seems that today many forget what the whole idea behind games are supposed to be. Adding extra realistic features to the physics is really impressive, however, how much more fun would that make a game?

CupOWonton
05-25-2006, 11:34 PM
I predict Nintendo wins this battle of the 2005-2006 generation consoles.
Theyve got an innovative controll system, a good lineup of fun games, and some violent games, and some realy good marketing.

Sony and 360 will have to battle for 2nd place. I HOPE sony does better than microsoft, they have more desirable games to play, but one hell of a steep price tag for the full on system.

NeptuneImaging
05-25-2006, 11:37 PM
realistic physics is okay, but I would get really really bored with a game if it is not fun

EpShot
05-25-2006, 11:43 PM
are these the physics that are supposed to revolutionize game play?
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=336686&highlight=physics
looks lieka bit of fun, true, but..

ParamountCell
05-25-2006, 11:59 PM
For real, most people forget the glory of great gameplay, this is something the industry has forgotten and unless they choose to put gameplay first, all we will have would be slightly interactive cg movies.

UrbanFuturistic
05-26-2006, 12:05 AM
Y'Know, I have a suspicion, and that is that all the people who don't get the Wii excitement just lack imagination. I'm not kidding, all I see from the critics is hyperbole about more realism, destructive environments, more realistic environments, higher poly counts, physx, HD images, bla bla bla.

If I want super-realistic visuals with next to no interactivity I watch a film. I'm not saying I'm not excited about any games coming out for any other console, Volatile Games (http://www.volatilegames.com/)' Possession is unlikely to make it to the Wii any time soon, but all the 'extra realism' stuff bores me to tears when that's clearly where all the budget went. Can anyone honestly say Timesplitters 2 was a bad game? Was it remotely realistic? But was it fun?

As a last, anyone who says they're not seeing any innovative games for Wii is not looking hard enough, try watching this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RUKkWRK9gU&search=nintendo%20wii) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0aXYQkyFXk&search=nintendo%20wii), and I mean all the way through.

ParamountCell
05-26-2006, 12:07 AM
btw a list of registered nintendo domains, all lead to the official nintendo site. Some probably may not be used but allot of these sound like they could make good games.

edit: wii animation sounds very interesting.

http://wiicommunication.com (http://wiicommunication.com/)
http://wiigettogether.com (http://wiigettogether.com/)
http://wiigeneration.com (http://wiigeneration.com/)
http://wiichallenger.com (http://wiichallenger.com/)
http://wiimanagement.com (http://wiimanagement.com/)
http://wiianimation.com (http://wiianimation.com/)
http://wiiconnect24.com (http://wiiconnect24.com/)
http://wiiexecutive.com (http://wiiexecutive.com/)
http://wiilanguages.com (http://wiilanguages.com/)
http://wiiactive24.com (http://wiiactive24.com/)
http://wiibreeding.com (http://wiibreeding.com/)
http://wiiscenario.com (http://wiiscenario.com/)
http://wiialive24.com (http://wiialive24.com/)
http://wiicountry.com (http://wiicountry.com/)
http://wiicreator.com (http://wiicreator.com/)
http://wiiparents.com (http://wiiparents.com/)
http://wiiculture.com (http://wiiculture.com/)
http://wiijourney.com (http://wiijourney.com/)
http://wiistudent.com (http://wiistudent.com/)
http://wiiventure.com (http://wiiventure.com/)
http://wiifitness.com (http://wiifitness.com/)
http://wiihistory.com (http://wiihistory.com/)
http://wiiscience.com (http://wiiscience.com/)
http://wiipuzzle.com (http://wiipuzzle.com/)
http://wiischool.com (http://wiischool.com/)
http://wiifamily.com (http://wiifamily.com/)
http://wiibeauty.com (http://wiibeauty.com/)
http://wiiareone.com (http://wiiareone.com/)
http://wiisenior.com (http://wiisenior.com/)
http://shallwii.com (http://shallwii.com/)
http://wiigirls.com (http://wiigirls.com/)
http://wiidiary.com (http://wiidiary.com/)
http://wiiearth.com (http://wiiearth.com/)
http://wiihappy.com (http://wiihappy.com/)
http://wiimoney.com (http://wiimoney.com/)
http://wiipower.com (http://wiipower.com/)
http://wiiwords.com (http://wiiwords.com/)
http://wiiworld.com (http://wiiworld.com/)
http://wiistory.com (http://wiistory.com/)
http://wiiboys.com (http://wiiboys.com/)
http://wiikids.com (http://wiikids.com/)
http://wiilife.com (http://wiilife.com/)
http://wiilove.com (http://wiilove.com/)
http://wiinews.com (http://wiinews.com/)
http://wiimap.com (http://wiimap.com/)
http://wiivc.com (http://wiivc.com/)

Saurus
05-26-2006, 12:15 AM
If you get a highend console like the PS3, you can still get games like Alien Hominid, Viewtifull Joe, or Monkey Ball, but also games like Metal Gear, Assassin's Creed, Final Fantasy, Battlefield 3 and practically any PC games that will be ported as well (so no need to upgrade your PC just for games) and your games will be in HD (and you will have an HD TV anyway at some point).

...but if you upgrade your PC for games, your CG programs will also benefit...of course to a point (SLI)

krisr
05-26-2006, 12:28 AM
Can anyone confirm some of the classic titles to be released on the Wii via the download service? I assume games like all the Zelda classics, SMB, etc. but I'm hoping for games like the whole Mega Man series, Castlevania, Ghouls and Ghosts, etc. Are all the developers signing on to distribute classics on the Wii? I can't imagine they wouldn't. I would fork up some more cash for the Mega Man classics.....seems like a no-brainer.....they make money from games that are already done and proven.

JulianHo
05-26-2006, 12:48 AM
I'm getting a Wii because my definition of Next-Gen games doesn't limit only to great graphics or simulated physics. :) I'm also looking for fun and innovative gameplay which can be either related to hardware or software.

So... who's up for a Britney Spears RTS game? :scream:

NeptuneImaging
05-26-2006, 12:55 AM
Oh god, don't mention that kind of game....lol. bad enough they are making a Paris Hilton one.

ParamountCell
05-26-2006, 01:23 AM
Oh god, don't mention that kind of game....lol. bad enough they are making a Paris Hilton one.

They are making a paris hilton game?!! What kind of wickedness is this?!

NeptuneImaging
05-26-2006, 01:33 AM
I think it was mentioned some time ago. I am still reeling after hearing about the cartoon...

amfantasy
05-26-2006, 01:44 AM
s-wii-t!:D

lol

I just hope Nintendo doesn't ship faulty consoles. I'm on my 3rd xbox dvd drive:sad:

Oh god, don't mention that kind of game....lol. bad enough they are making a Paris Hilton one.

did hell freeze over when I wasn't looking. Why?!?..............

NeptuneImaging
05-26-2006, 02:29 AM
Well, hell did freeze over when they announced a cartoon

Bonedaddy
05-26-2006, 03:00 AM
Someone's making a Paris Hilton game, I think it's for cell phones. She showed up an hour late to the unveiling at E3 and immediately got the name of the game wrong, too. Do a google search and you can find it.

theTacio
05-26-2006, 07:03 AM
Hmmm....that article makes it sound like they actually announced the price. The impression I got from all the gaming sites was that they only announced that it would release for 25,000 yen OR LESS in Japan and $249 OR LESS in the States. It was a very vague press release. Which is of course very Nintendo. I still expect it to release for $199. Here's the article I read.....http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5016838.stm


So, if you like the maximum price of $249...I can only imagine how happy everyone will be when they announce the official price point!

PyRoT
05-26-2006, 03:41 PM
Physics in next-gen games??
Some barrels and stuff flying around aint great IMO. Destruction derby 1 had better car physics than many of these "next-gen" racing games. The cars often don't dint.. and never break down from hitting walls at full speed. You can grash and scrape at full speed and teh car doesn't eve get dirty! I don't know about anyone else but these kinds of physics are way more important than mud and puddles..

Larry_g1s
05-26-2006, 05:44 PM
Why not just spend the extra $50 and get an 360... ?
I dont see how this price will help nintendo. Lower the price another $50... than we have a winner...
:shrug:

Edit: Guess I should have added that this was just my personal opinion of the worth/value ratio.I'm sorry, but that base price for the xbox 360 is a joke. Just adding on the $40 for the memory card put's it $60 away from the one with the harddrive and the extras that are needed to play online and previous xbox games. They tout xbox live as really invovative, yet with the core system you'd still need the headset. It was just a marketing ploy to be able to say they have a console at $300 dollars.

P_T
05-26-2006, 05:45 PM
I do expect better graphics and physics from next-gen games, but for the sake of making the play experience a better one. It can be for a game like Geometry Wars (which would not have been possible on SNES because of the high number of particles for example)...............

If we were talking about this 15 years ago then yeah I would definitely agree with you but those particles you're talking about was already available for a while now, even breakable environment was available years ago in Red Faction. They're not next gen. While Wiimote is not exactly next-gen technology either, it's innovative implementation is more next gen than any of those "graphic features" you're talking about because so far they're more like gimmicks, they don't really add anything to the gameplay apart from eyecandy.

About those racing games, I don't know about others but I had more fun playing Mario Cart 64 with 3 other people in a small split screen than I did playing NFS: Underground. The ones who would truely enjoy realistic racing games are probably only those boy racers and anyone else into cars/racing.

You're talking about believability. One might argue that, pointing Wii controller to aim at an enemy would be more believable than using analog pad or mouse to aim, slashing Wiimote in a sword game rather than mashing buttons etc. Same reason why playing Dance Dance Revolution using the dance mat controller is more believable than mashing buttons on your classic controller. :)

albedo4800hp
05-26-2006, 06:19 PM
Well I am still not convinced I've watched most of the E3 Wii videos and of their press conference and I still not very convinced there were more innovative game demos in the first Wii or Revolution trailer at last year TGS where there was no actual game seen then in all the E3 games for Wii combined. I hope we will see more of those than just using the controller for the same old type of game again as it was the case with all the demos I saw so far. Hence even the DS has more innovative games than this. Otherwise this is not Nindendo's time nope sorry!

Shenan
05-26-2006, 06:33 PM
Y'Know, I have a suspicion, and that is that all the people who don't get the Wii excitement just lack imagination.
I said the same exact thing here before E3. I just don't understand how anyone can not be excited about the possibilities that the wii controller(s) bring.

Hmmm....that article makes it sound like they actually announced the price. The impression I got from all the gaming sites was that they only announced that it would release for 25,000 yen OR LESS in Japan and $249 OR LESS in the States. It was a very vague press release. Which is of course very Nintendo. I still expect it to release for $199. Here's the article I read.....http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5016838.stm

I too think there's a lot of indications that it's going to be $199 in the US. Some of the things that Nintendo's people have said, and also someone pointed out on Slashdot that 25,000 yen was the same price the gamecube came out for in Japan. And that ended up being priced $199 in the US.

EpShot
05-26-2006, 07:57 PM
$199 woudl make a lot more sence than $225

heavyness
05-26-2006, 08:33 PM
This will make a very nice companion to my 360 :D

www.wii60.com




http://www.wii60.com/uploads/345.gif

for $225, i'm buying 2!

P_T
05-26-2006, 08:49 PM
www.wii60.com (http://www.wii60.com)




http://www.wii60.com/uploads/345.gif

for $225, i'm buying 2!
LOL! that's Carlton from Fresh Prince show right? :D

enygma
05-26-2006, 09:11 PM
hahahaha!!... :D:D

I can just picture hearing Tom Jones in the background singing, "It's not Unusual..."

heavyness
05-27-2006, 04:38 AM
that's the one and only Carlton! that is how i dance at weddings and in the pit.



back to the story at hand. i wish nintendo could of reached their $199 price mark [since all their systems have launched at that price (http://curmudgeongamer.com/imgdisplay.php3?shotfile=console-prices-absolute.png)] for old times sake.

PyRoT
05-27-2006, 05:27 AM
I dont understand what people mean by next-gen / innovative anymore. What would it take for a new console to be innovative? Holographic displays? matrix style neural connections to your brain? Oh wait! Those aren't innovative coz they've been thought of before and shown in movies.. darn...

No console has ever had the kind of Wii control that it will have and I'll have to agree that there must be something wrong with people who aren't excited about the Wii.

However, I just think they need to try it, many skeptical people ended up loving it after trying it. One of the reviewers on gamespy I think, said it was the first time in a long time that he has laughed while playing.

PhilOsirus
05-27-2006, 05:46 AM
Hey don't get me wrong, the Wii will even come with a regular controller anyway. But I'm not excited about the console because other than the controller everything else has been snubbed. Like I said, I know where Nintendo is going with this, but I expect more on the hardware side of a console than what the Wii has to offer.

How many of you actually played games with the controller? And do you have any idea what games will be like 5 years from now on the 360, PS3, and PC? People say games need innovation, it's all the same, etc. Mario Kart has been almost the same for years as well, same goes with Mario and now Metroid. A few years ago there was no Battlefield, no Grand Tourismo, no World of Warcraft, no Grand Theft Auto, no Resident Evil, etc. Without the hardware none of these games would have been possible. And those games sell a lot, so unless there is some sort of super gamer elite that decides what a good game is, I don't see how games have gone downhill hence why there is a need for a "Revolution". Better hardware will mean new forms of possible gameplays, not the same gameplay with a different input device.

We didn't get to the moon by driving cars with our feet.

EpShot
05-27-2006, 05:54 AM
and cars haven't improved just by going faster.

PyRoT
05-27-2006, 06:08 AM
Hey don't get me wrong, the Wii will even come with a regular controller anyway. But I'm not excited about the console because other than the controller everything else has been snubbed. Like I said, I know where Nintendo is going with this, but I expect more on the hardware side of a console than what the Wii has to offer.

How many of you actually played games with the controller? And do you have any idea what games will be like 5 years from now on the 360, PS3, and PC? People say games need innovation, it's all the same, etc. Mario Kart has been almost the same for years as well, same goes with Mario and now Metroid. A few years ago there was no Battlefield, no Grand Tourismo, no World of Warcraft, no Grand Theft Auto, no Resident Evil, etc. Without the hardware none of these games would have been possible. And those games sell a lot, so unless there is some sort of super gamer elite that decides what a good game is, I don't see how games have gone downhill hence why there is a need for a "Revolution". Better hardware will mean new forms of possible gameplays, not the same gameplay with a different input device.

We didn't get to the moon by driving cars with our feet.

Yeah good points. The thing with the Wii mote is that it can bring enough innovation for one new console without having much extra graphics. A lot of the games will not require large worlds so I guess that and the advantage of a lower price point is what they were aiming for. It still looks to have pretty good graphics though. I agree about mario kart and stuff being teh same franchises but the friend of mine which have nintendos seem to enjoy each new game because though they keep to teh same (winning) formula, they do still introduce new things here and there. I think its also aimed at party like play and not so much long, immersive play. Anyway, I feel teh Wii control brings enough innovation. We can always ask for more but this is more than we usually get.

Al I know, is that I can't wait for all this to pass so I can know what happens.. this and teh hddvd/blu ray war. The times ahead should be very exciting :)

IHaveFirstController
05-27-2006, 06:35 AM
I was more looking forward to $150 for the Rev :shrug:( ... wii is such a stupid name). I love the controller, free online, and dling old games. I think that's awesome, but as it's been said over and over, it severely underpowered when compared to it's rivals. At 225, yeah, they probably have a nice year ahead of em. But after seeing the tech demo's, (like the one on the front page), I can't really see the system having much of a life in 2-3 years. Good games are bound to be developed on the PS3, and they will probably be well beyond Rev machines capability. I feel like it will be the same thing with the GC and N64 during the PSX and PS2 times. Buy Smash, Zelda, Metroid, and watch it sit while my friends play countless other, PS titles, like Gran turismo and Final Fantasy. Hmm.. PS2 has held its own for over 6 years. All of a sudden, 600 bux don't seem so bad if it means I may have a system with that kinda life.

Whatever. I am probably gonna spend the 225 anyway. Just gonna kick myself when I shelf it a year later, just like the GC and N64.

P_T
05-27-2006, 07:05 AM
How many of you actually played games with the controller? And do you have any idea what games will be like 5 years from now on the 360, PS3, and PC? People say games need innovation, it's all the same, etc. Mario Kart has been almost the same for years as well, same goes with Mario and now Metroid. A few years ago there was no Battlefield, no Grand Tourismo, no World of Warcraft, no Grand Theft Auto, no Resident Evil, etc. Without the hardware none of these games would have been possible. And those games sell a lot, so unless there is some sort of super gamer elite that decides what a good game is, I don't see how games have gone downhill hence why there is a need for a "Revolution". Better hardware will mean new forms of possible gameplays, not the same gameplay with a different input device.

We didn't get to the moon by driving cars with our feet.

I understand what you're trying to say here, I agree hardware is also important but I think we almost reach the point of diminishing return. There are games that took years to develop with all the new technology hyped up and when they were released, they were good at best, not as spectacular as people hoped them to be. Doom3 and HL2 comes to mind.

I do admit that there are games where the wiimote wouldn't give that much improvement in gameplay. Games like RTS, MMO and sandbox type like Spore, The Sims etc. That's because in those games, we just tell them what to do, we don't control their actions directly. The outcome of battle in those games are more determined by the level of the characters as well as random chance.

However, for games where we control the actions of the character directly, wiimote really brings the gameplay to the next level in terms of immersion. Imagine playing Resident Evil 4 knife fight with wiimote, instead of pressing button, you use the motion sensor. I'd say that would be a lot more exciting and immersive.

As for the graphic, maybe the games will look just as good in SD as 360/PS3 would in HD resolution, after all that's what 360/PS3 were designed for.

Slightly OT, but IMO the only thing going for WoW is their franchise name. In terms of graphic and gameplay, it's about the same as other MMOs. I'd even go as far as saying Lineage II is visually better than WoW.

heavyness
05-27-2006, 07:11 AM
Better hardware will mean new forms of possible gameplays, not the same gameplay with a different input device.

We didn't get to the moon by driving cars with our feet.

better hardware doesn't mean better games if the same people making the games keep thinking the same way. all the normal mapped, rag doll, hdr render effect in a FPS doesn't make it any different than any other FPS if it's the same run and gun game mechanics.

i understand what you are saying and agree with you in some situations. Half Life 2 is a great example. nothing new, FPS, run and gun, same mechanic that has been done over and over again. but thanks to graphics and audio, the game was able to suck players in and make them feel more connected to the game.

but nintendo is challenging the game developers to think differently. the controller won't revolutionize the game industry, the games themselves will. much like the nintendo ds; the developers where given more tools to work with and in return, the games that are being made are pushing new ways of interaction.

heavyness
05-27-2006, 07:15 AM
I do admit that there are games where the wiimote wouldn't give that much improvement in gameplay. Games like RTS, MMO and sandbox type like Spore, The Sims etc.

what? this will be the first time you'll be able to play a RTS game on a home system with ease. RTS really depend on the fast and accurate movement of the mouse, and now thanks to the Wii, we can sit back, circle our troops on the screen and point to where they should go and attack. and sandbox games like Black and White would be perfect on the Wii.

zzacmann
05-27-2006, 08:09 AM
The more I read from Nintendo, the more Im afraid that they will release Wii at $249.99. Microsoft WILL drop the price of XBOX360 by November. There is absolutely no doubt that they will. If they cant get HALO 3 out in time for the Playstation 3 launch date, the next best thing is to lower the price of your system. They'll probably lower it by $50, but possibly $100. It will kill Wii for it to cost the same or MORE than XBOX 360. I will buy one definitely, and I think alot of people here will definitely be getting one at either price, but parents shopping for their kids Christmas presents 9 times out of 10 are going to pick up the less expensive system. If both are $250, parents will see more games available by then for XBOX 360 and go with that system. Nintendo NEEDS a $199.99 price tag right out of gate if it has any hopes of being the console leader again.

PyRoT
05-27-2006, 08:11 AM
The more I read from Nintendo, the more Im afraid that they will release Wii at $249.99. Microsoft WILL drop the price of XBOX360 by November. There is absolutely no doubt that they will. If they cant get HALO 3 out in time for the Playstation 3 launch date, the next best thing is to lower the price of your system. They'll probably lower it by $50, but possibly $100. It will kill Wii for it to cost the same or MORE than XBOX 360. I will buy one definitely, and I think alot of people here will definitely be getting one at either price, but parents shopping for their kids Christmas presents 9 times out of 10 are going to pick up the less expensive system. If both are $250, parents will see more games available by then for XBOX 360 and go with that system. Nintendo NEEDS a $199.99 price tag right out of gate if it has any hopes of being the console leader again.

Especially since they would heard a lot about the xbox360 compared to Wii.

P_T
05-27-2006, 08:46 AM
what? this will be the first time you'll be able to play a RTS game on a home system with ease. RTS really depend on the fast and accurate movement of the mouse, and now thanks to the Wii, we can sit back, circle our troops on the screen and point to where they should go and attack. and sandbox games like Black and White would be perfect on the Wii.

I dunno about you but I tried circling real fast using those laser pointers and I've never been able to do it properly. That probably means I'd missed some units if I try to circle them with wiimote. Besides, any serious RTS players would rather use hotkeys and due to its nature, the genre is still best played on PC with mouse and keyboard. DS would be great too for RTS.

I've always thought of Black and White as god sims like Populous but yes, I agree, Wiimote would be great for it because they do have sweeping motion when you use magic that would be impossible using analog pad.

heavyness
05-27-2006, 04:44 PM
The more I read from Nintendo, the more Im afraid that they will release Wii at $249.99. Microsoft WILL drop the price of XBOX360 by November. There is absolutely no doubt that they will. If they cant get HALO 3 out in time for the Playstation 3 launch date, the next best thing is to lower the price of your system. They'll probably lower it by $50, but possibly $100. It will kill Wii for it to cost the same or MORE than XBOX 360. I will buy one definitely, and I think alot of people here will definitely be getting one at either price, but parents shopping for their kids Christmas presents 9 times out of 10 are going to pick up the less expensive system. If both are $250, parents will see more games available by then for XBOX 360 and go with that system. Nintendo NEEDS a $199.99 price tag right out of gate if it has any hopes of being the console leader again.

if the Wii comes in at $249.99, it will only hurt the PS3 more. if the 360 drops in price, that will just make buying the 360 & Wii even easier for consumers. we're at a point in the game industry where having two system is almost normal and most parents don't mind having two systems for their kids.

tozz
05-27-2006, 07:00 PM
There's alot of cans, and they come with their if's. I'm still waiting for the third party support to show, the price is so-so (add another $50 for Europe), especially if this is gonna be a first party machine like the GC.

People seem to be forgetting that we don't matter, forum people are the minority, alot of people just think it's silly and would never dream of getting one. There's the one who think it's neat too, but neat enough to buy? That's the question.

EpShot
05-27-2006, 08:09 PM
current support is lookign pretty decent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_Revolution_games

again it sounds like a shit load of people will be buying. which means its more likely they will pick up that many more publishers. But personaly i'm most looking forward to Pickmen 3 (please make it:D!) but we'll see, i have plenty of confidence between forums and people i talk to that they will do plenty well.

UrbanFuturistic
05-27-2006, 08:37 PM
Like I said, not looking hard enough.

adamghering
05-27-2006, 10:15 PM
First of all I would just like to note something. New....Is not better...

If you look at everything else in our lives we get used to having things a certain way, by all means I am not saying that we don't need inovation, I am just saying that we should be smarter consumers and not let the gaming industry dictate what is good. Right now there are a few consumer industries that do that and one of the biggest of those is games. You don't need inovative physics or new graphics to have a good game and we all agree on that.

I personally think that those who buy into the whole Next-Gen hype are selling themselves short and getting jipped out of what we the gamers are entitled to. They are letting the publishers disrespect their intelligence. (case in point)

The original Playstation had a life of almost ten years before the PS2 . It was doing as well technologically as the Nintendo 64 and in some cases better. Now they are trying to sell us a $600 hundred dollar console every five years and that is ridiculous. The reason we don't see 4x the game power out of the original Xbox, when it is 4x the hardware and architecture as the PS2, is because they aren't giving the developers enough time to squeeze what they can out of the consoles we have. What could they get out of the PS2 if they could push it another five years. The games would get better and as with the PS1 the consumer would see lower price points due to lower development costs.

They have done such a good job, especially from some of the posts I have seen here, of selling the whole next-gen concept to the consumers that we the gamers are suffering while thier bottom line gets fatter.

If you tell me that for $250 dollars I can get a Wii and a huge Nintendo retro library for free or a nominal cost I will jump at the chance. There are hundreds of games that I've never even played and with the Next-Gen titles reaching costs of $60 bucks the Wii seems apetizing. Nintendo should be applauded for trying to do something with gamers in mind instead of their profit margin. So open your wallets for the PS3 and Xbox 360. With the Wii it may be a long time before I am bored or hurting for money.

PhilOsirus
05-27-2006, 11:39 PM
Making a game for the 360 or PS3 (or Wii for that matter) opens up more possibilities than ever and doesn't prevent anyone from making games with lower specs. If the market asks for it then those are the games that will be produced.

And the PS1 didn't have a 10 year life cycle (that's PR), it had a 5 years life cycle, from 1996 to 2001.

And as for game prices, I never paid so little for games before. Back in the SNES days Final Fantasy VI cost me $115CAD, back in the PS1 days it would cost me a minimum of $80CAD for a game, now I can buy new PS2 releases for $40CAD (like I did for Resident Evil). This is different now with 360 (and most likely PS3) games costing me $70CAD, but if game prices have almost halved in recent years we can expect the same in the future. Especially if we consider companies want to make fewer games that gamers play for longer periods of time thanks to online play.

No one is focring us to spend too much money on too little fun yet people are buying more games than ever.

amfantasy
05-28-2006, 12:20 AM
if you don't like Nintendo don't post in here. Must Nintendo be flamed in every thread. :shrug:
just leave us alone, not everyone can throw down $1000 for the newest system.

damn.......

NanoGator
05-28-2006, 12:52 AM
www.wii60.com




http://www.wii60.com/uploads/345.gif

for $225, i'm buying 2!

Buahahaha! :applause:

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