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ParamountCell
05-24-2006, 05:03 PM
MOD EDIT: FALSE NEWS.



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http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035&sectionId=1006


PS3 pre-owned games banned!



http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.gamesradar.com/gb/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.gamesradar.com/gb/images/spacer.gif[PS3] Sony makes moves to stamp out lucrative second-hand market

Words: Matt Cundy

Wednesday 24 May 2006
High street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they've bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar.

It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell.

We assume that the thinking behind this move will ultimately be to stop PS3 games being resold several times - which currently snatches potential sales away from Sony - and to counter the impression in consumers' minds that games are only really worth their pre-owned price and are not worth buying new.

When we contacted Sony, it issued us with the following statement: "We have made all of the official announcements at E3 and cannot make any further comments at this time. We will be announcing more news running up to PlayStation 3's launch."








http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.gamesradar.com/gb//images/mb//GamesRadar/gb/Hardware/PS3/Everything%20else/sony_warhawk_store--screenshot_large.jpghttp://www.gamesradar.com/gb/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.gamesradar.com/gb/images/article_big_screen_right.gifhttp://www.gamesradar.com/gb/images/spacer.gifAbove: While Sony revealed details of their PS3 online store at E3, they made no reference to a licensing system for next-gen software

P_T
05-24-2006, 05:18 PM
Guess that means no more game rentals huh? I don't know if it's the right thing to do or not but I do know it's another move to make themselves more unpopular among gamers. heh. Oh well, until I hear an official announcement from Sony I'll take this with a grain of salt, no point making speculation now if it only turned out to be false rumour or rival's campaign.

Gehof
05-24-2006, 05:19 PM
I've had my fun with PS2, and have been a loyal fan and still enjoy my PSP, but Sony is really digging their own grave with the PS3. No BRAND NEW killer apps (they're all part 4,5 or 13) or IP, a $600 price tag, and half the killer apps are playable on a system that is $200 cheaper. And now this? As if they didn't already have one foot in the grave...

P_T
05-24-2006, 05:23 PM
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P_T
05-24-2006, 05:38 PM
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Wintermute
05-24-2006, 05:39 PM
I'll believe this when I see it. But considering the way Sony has been acting lately, this isn't completely implausible. :shrug:

If enforcing this is even possible on the PS3 for games, how hard would it be to apply to blu-ray movies?

The other aspect I see here is that Sony's losses on the hardware must hurt so much, that they desperately need the game sales to recover it.
…to stop PS3 games being resold several times - which currently snatches potential sales away from Sony …

Kion
05-24-2006, 05:47 PM
this will never happen

Lordiego01
05-24-2006, 05:49 PM
I've been a PS3 fan boy since they first showed those tech-demos..

but if this is true, I will not buy PS3.

Trenox
05-24-2006, 05:57 PM
I dont know if I should laugh or cry?

If Sony are serious about this, maybe they just want an excuse when they get owned by the competition ;)

JMcWilliams
05-24-2006, 05:57 PM
this will never happen

well, it already happens with some software. I cannot resell any of my instruments I purchased for gigastudio. It is different in the sense that console games are not really 'professional' tools, but it's all software at the end of the day, I guess.

Titan
05-24-2006, 05:58 PM
freaking rediculous lengths they are trying to push liscence management to.....the so they are gonna kill a large reseller market of blockbuster/gamestop/EBGames etc for their own greed.

I loved ps1 and 2 and am a loyal player of many sony franchises...but the more I hear about their next gen plans the harder I find it to get behind them and support their products..

UrbanFuturistic
05-24-2006, 06:12 PM
What's that smell, is there beef farm around here?It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property...and this is different from every other EULA in the world how? It's always been that way, if you owned the software and not just a license, it wouldn't be illegal to make copies and sell them, that's why you only ever buy a license to use a copy.

Go, look at all the EULAs for all your PC software, all you PS2 and XBox and Gamecube games. You don't own those games, you own a license to use a copy of those games which can be taken off you by the publisher at any time for any number of reasons as stated in the EULA.

Here's somewhat more sane article from January on how this would be enforcable but probably isn't going to happen... OK, it's saner if you read all of it.

Article (http://www.techcentral.ie/consumer_tech/Sony_Seconds/view)

JustChris
05-24-2006, 06:15 PM
Sorta reminds me of their Rootkit, only this time with games instead of music. But not in the way that the rootkit works, but the general idea of regulating the distribution of their media. I wouldn't be surprised if their licensing system sends data from the PS3 whenever it's using an online connection.

aesir
05-24-2006, 06:17 PM
God it would be wonderful if they could kill all game rentals. Game rentals takes out sooooo damn much money out of the developer's pocket cause they dont earn a single cent from a rental.

laiels
05-24-2006, 06:19 PM
don't most EULA's allow the sale or transfer of the original license? YOu can't just copy it, but you can still sell the original. However, if this is true, Sony won't even let you transfer or sell the original copy.

jscheel
05-24-2006, 06:19 PM
Ah, what will sony think of next? You'd think that they would back off of licensing after the rootkit fiasco. This is just another case of a disturbing but prevalent trend. If we want something changed (Americans) then we need to push our senators to consider copyright reform, something that is long overdue. If this trend continues unabated, I will recieve a EULA with the coke I purchase from the vending machine stating that I do not own the coke, but have merely been given the right to drink it.

UrbanFuturistic
05-24-2006, 06:29 PM
But, that's not what the article says is in the EULA; it just says you won't own the software, just a license.

Unless they can provide a copy of an EULA that specifically states that the item is not for resale I believe the article's author is using something other than his mouth to talk.

ParamountCell
05-24-2006, 06:33 PM
But, that's not what the article says is in the EULA; it just says you won't own the software, just a license.

Unless they can provide a copy of an EULA that specifically states that the item is not for resale I believe the article's author is using something other than his mouth to talk.

I hope you are right. Allot of my ps2 games are second hand, since i dont like the thought of pirate games, I can sometimes only trade in old games or buy pre owned ones. However there are some games that i feel i need to get as soon as they are released, e.g. MGS

Zanmato
05-24-2006, 06:42 PM
So it is already going to cost us in the region of £425 (620 Euros) for the a stripped down console (no wi-fi, only 60Gb HD, pre-pay online play perhaps) and we have to buy a game at full price before trying it and you then can't sell it if you don't like it or have completed it. Well, I think it's already a fiasco and I'm seriously considering switching to another next-gen console. I can understand their frustation over rentals but can't they just take a small commission out of every rental??

thomaspecht
05-24-2006, 07:21 PM
i think this was discussed last year already. if sony really pushes it, their true aim must be to get out of the game console market ASAP. next step would probaby be to port flexlm to the PS3 and let the customer enter feature lines per purcha... - sorry: licensed - title...

sheesh, we'll see.

erilaz
05-25-2006, 01:06 AM
Seeing as EB make most of their money from trade-ins, I think they'll be crying out about this.

CIM
05-25-2006, 01:26 AM
Even if Sony does choose to do this, they won't stop the sale of pre-owned video games. There will be a black market no matter what.

Gehof
05-25-2006, 01:26 AM
Sony shot this down earlier today:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/24/rumor-sony-to-disable-used-ps3-games-sony-nope/

amfantasy
05-25-2006, 01:31 AM
Sony isn't doing this, there is no way not after the rootkit. If Sony does this, whats to stop Microsoft or Nintendo from trying this. :sad:

Gehof
05-25-2006, 01:53 AM
It's proven false, shouldn't the thread be closed since it's not happening?

SheepFactory
05-25-2006, 01:54 AM
Yup agreed.