X11 for OS X from apple

[Array]

ha, that operating system just looks sexier and sexier every day, too bad the hardware isnt :( i was honestly hoping for some new processors at this macworld expo

[SheepFactory]

i love this OS

[arvid]

zzZZz

What suprises me though, is that they didnt unvail *anything* interesting on the macworld expo, nothing new on the hardware side, I'm pretty sure many many of the now hesitant mac users no longer see any light at the end of the tunnel. They're gonners for sure

[Pyro2301]

Originally posted by opacity


I'm pretty sure many many of the now hesitant mac users no longer see any light at the end of the tunnel. They're gonners for sure


Wow you sound like everyone from '97

Macs are slower but I still keep using it everyday next to my PC.

-Victor

[arvid]

in 97 i still believed that macs were faster for some stuff :)

[anieves]

here we go
:rolleyes:

[RormanKnockwell]

This is the Big Story from MacWorld, as far as I am concerned. X11 with OpenGL and Quartz acceleration on OS X! Awesome!

Finally I can run GIMP without it being painfully slow. Mac users can now run 3D unix / irix / linux apps from another machine over an exported display with full hardware acceleration. Very, VERY cool of Apple to do this. They even suggest that expert users might want to replace the default Aqua-like window manager with something else. Pretty shocking to hear something like that from Apple, who have in the past made it difficult to change the standard OS X interface.

[wmendez]

OSX needs to run on Dual Xeons, then I will be sold :P I know about the Darwin project but have not tried it as of yet.

[AWAKE]

whats the darwin project?

[wmendez]

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/

[playmesumch00ns]

So I can run the Darwin kernel with Apple's X11 over the top? Hang on, I might as well just run linux surely?

While it's certainly a great step from apple to port X11, what's going to be the attraction? I'll always be able to get much faster x86 hardware cheaper than anything Apple can give me, and then put linux on it for FREE.

[beaker]

>>So I can run the Darwin kernel with Apple's X11 over the top? Hang on, I might as well just run linux surely?

You have always been able to do this since darwin first came out on intel 2-3 years ago. John Carmack(yes, the id guy) ported over an X11 client over to darwin so it would have a gui. This X11 client will only work on the powerpc because it is tied to quartz. Quartz is only in osx, not darwin.

>>While it's certainly a great step from apple to port X11, what's going to be the attraction?

The big attraction is that previously all the different *nix/gnu apps ported over had to run on X11 client like Xdarwin or OroborOSX(which is really big and clunky install) and they couldnt take on any advantages of any 2d or the opengl accelleration to the gui that 10.2 added. This makes porting apps from *nix much easier on the graphic side and they will run much faster. It iwill also be easier for people to run X11 apps without a forbidding 400 meg install off of some other website(or pay for a $99 cd of Xdarwin). A simple 4 meg install is all they need now instead.

>>I'll always be able to get much faster x86 hardware cheaper than anything Apple can give me, and then put linux on it for FREE.

Thats nice, but what does that have anything to do with X11 running on osx? SGI, SUN and Alpha boxes are much more expensive then x86 boxes, but that didn't stop people from porting gnome, gtk, gnu, linux etc.. so you can run gnu/linux apps on more expensive hardware.

There are many developers porting apps from *nix to osx/powerpc(and many other hardware platforms) and this makes their lives easier with apple backing their efforts. At many of the linux conferances these days, over half of the linux guys have ibooks and titaniums. Developers are perfectly happy to port to other platforms to reach a wider audience if there is little effort in the port. OSX has alot of BSD in it, so the effort is small in order to reach another 10 million users.

[nose]

That Darwin project sounds pretty cool to me. I was about to download it when I read that AMD systems are not supported :( Too bad. I hope that will change in the near-future.

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