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Rist
05-18-2006, 07:12 AM
:deal:

CHAPTER 1: Burne Hogarth and Jeno Barcsay Studies.
CHAPTER 2: Random things that shouldn't be there.
CHAPTER 3: Structure of Man DVD's, Digital Painting, and Gnomon Workshop studies.

See Last page for the latest.

Rebeccak
05-18-2006, 02:32 PM
Fl3wk,

Welcome aboard! :)

I don't see any of your work ~ did you attempt to post any? :) One thing to note is that you can't copy and paste images from one site to the other ~ it doesn't work, you have to link the URL of your image here into the small yellow sun / mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor.

Looking forward to seeing your work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-18-2006, 05:45 PM
Thanks for the welcome :D

I was wanting to create the thread before showing my stuff. Now it is up I will show the studies that are already online.


HEADS

This is an old one that I thought you should see. It is one of my best of the old oes, and speaking of old, the old guy makes this page worth showing in my opinion.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3712/anatomyhead022006127rl.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3712/anatomyhead022006127rl.jpg)

This was done when I started anatomy work again in February. It was the first of my body pieces and I quite like the lines I used to indicate the direction of the muscle.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/338/anatomyhead022006140xx.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/338/anatomyhead022006140xx.jpg)

These were the beginning studies of Burne Hogarths Dynamic Heads book. It allowed me tp see the large forms of the head in the simplistic terms. I did older versions which can be seen on CA.org.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3981/anatomyhead022006183kh.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3981/anatomyhead022006183kh.jpg)

Skull study, the only real one in Hogarths head book, so i will need to work more on skulls from other sources.
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5997/anatomyhead022006212ah.jpg

I rathe rlike these renders, they took some time each, but I like the end result. I have improved since then so I am glad I still look at these with satisfaction.
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5629/anatomyhead022006236lb.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8663/anatomyhead022006242uw.jpg


Eyes and face proportions, they were quite easy to learn, but fun. I liked working with colours as it doesnt seem as repetetive then.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/255/anatomyhead022006298aq.jpg

I found it quite difficult to draw heads at different angles. I will practice more with this I think.
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/9656/anatomyhead022006228pr.jpg






Outside sources (if not allowed then just tell my and i will remove the link)

These are my older studies and a few that are shown here:

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62038


I will scan my latest in tomorrow or at the weekend.

Rebeccak
05-18-2006, 10:55 PM
Fl3wk,

You seem to have a lot of really great stuff here! :) What will really help though is if you copy and paste the url of each image into the square yellow mountain / sun picture icon in the EDIT POST text editor ~ that way everyone can see your images without having to click on a link. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-19-2006, 08:19 AM
Oh, do different browsers react differently towards it? On firefox I dont need to click on the mountain image as it appears the same with or without.

Am I supposed to see text url or images when looking at pictures in this forum?

I like to use different paper and materials to break up the studies, otherwise I might get bored and just give up. I will scan some more images in to day.

Like I said, I only see URL's, is there an option in CP that I need to change?

EDIT: It seems on AOL I can see the images, so it must be firefox. I will start using AOL browser for this forum :)

EDIT2: Just found the option to turn on Avatars, Signitures, and images. So I dont think it is to do with my browser as I see the images now.

Rist
05-19-2006, 09:14 AM
Here is some very recent stuff (week old). They were done in my A3 Anatomy sketchbook. so I had to take photos. I kinda preser this layout/style for studying as I can get all the information down along with the names.

I quite like this page due to its compostion value. It was the first page of my sketchbook so its seems like its showing my freedom with a new book.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/792/051906arm11db.jpg

The first image reminds me of Leo's sketch of the arm, if you have ever seen it, or Creation of Adam painting. Not as goodm but still gives that impression. This is a good study layout as its not informal, but not too formal either, which gives me room to express my marks.
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/396/051906arm28rm.jpg

This isn't a very successful study format, but it shows the info and I always say, every study has some value, either through the experience, or the end product.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5879/051906arm38km.jpg

I like this one, less is better than more. That quote especially goes for studying as you need to look at images clearly and informative. Less clutter, better format.
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8861/051906arm48iv.jpg

This one feels too cramped, I need to plan my pages more.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9314/051906body16xx.jpg

I like this one as it seems he opened his legs 'for' the below image and not just because he was copied. It also looks clearer and better to read the information.
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2546/051906legs15co.jpg

My first clean lines drawing of the book, this took me longer than the rendered ones.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/1874/051906legs23ik.jpg

Rist
05-19-2006, 11:29 AM
I had to split my posts up.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7563/051906head20un.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5656/051906head14oh.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6514/051906eyes13ra.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3333/051906body46re.jpg

Rist
05-19-2006, 11:31 AM
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2575/051906arm53xd.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7553/051906arm63jm.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5982/051906arm75wm.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7886/051906arm86kg.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7117/051906arm92du.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/5463/051906arm109na.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/619/051906body22zk.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6223/051906body31hn.jpg





These were the rest. I will post daily from now on, hopefully.

Rist
05-19-2006, 12:14 PM
When I edited the first images post I had to split the thing up. So here is the extention of that post.

Hmm, never really knew why I did this page, I already know that muscles bunch when are tensed and slacken when not.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6158/anatomyhead022006276qb.jpg

This is quite interesting, especially the one with the ribs (even though mistakes are apparent).
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4140/anatomyhead022006364au.jpg

Did alot of arm bone studies, was real useful too.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/205/anatomyhead022006358gz.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/192/anatomyhead022006342sc.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8707/anatomyhead022006284iy.jpg

Rist
05-19-2006, 12:16 PM
Another extention.


BODIES

It was risky to use red with blue, but i find if you use only small doses of one of the colours and use large doses for the other they can be quite a nice match. Kind of which dominates the other, if you help one dominate, then it 'wins' and then they go together. Kind of like relationships...
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5724/anatomyhead022006266vd.jpg

I quite like this as a composition piece aswell as a study. Thing with this is its not formal at all and because of that it can be hard to identify certain muscle parts if the viewer is ignorant of Anatomy.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8497/anatomyhead022006304fa.jpg

Another red/blue study, but this tme more blue, which I think is too much... oh well.
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/5622/anatomyhead022006311mr.jpg

Did this wednesday 17/05/06, I was trying to go for complimentary colours, but I think the paper was more blue that green. The redering was just a quick job, the drawing is what is important, to me.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1912/legcrouched1505064ik.jpg

Ah, my new paper, I like this, its textured so that it makes for more interesting studies. I used Pastel Pencils for this, I will use other materials to see which is best for ths paper. Here I used the light blue for the highlights and the papers texture for the shadows.
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8538/backview1605061li.jpg

My normal studies format, but with blue paper. I used a little colour, which again the paper looks more blue than green. I should start using orange as the drawing colour and see how it turns out.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6215/bodies1705066pn.jpg

Icey
05-19-2006, 03:32 PM
i don't know you on CA but i'm glad i see you here :)

the Hogarth studys are very good! I have a book sent to me by glen - spirit dreamer :) It's a treasure!!

keep posting man! You're doing a great job! (but don't tru to copy Hogarth... Try to understand him and drow with your own mind! )

Rist
05-19-2006, 03:49 PM
Thanks for the post.

When I copy his works I always look at how the muscles form and i always name them so that I can, over time, memorize them for what they are.

On CA.org I usually post in the WIP and Crits forums, not making topics, but posting there. I also have a sketchbook there that i will add none-anatomy work when I get the time for personal stuff.

Sketchbook: http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=754839#post754839

Rebeccak
05-19-2006, 03:57 PM
Fl3wk,

Some really exceptional work here, it's fantastic to see!

You ought to really check out the work of Thomasphoenix, who has an Anatomy Thread here:

Anatomy Thread of Thomasphoenix (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=296477)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=296477

Will post some more comments in a bit, am trying to catch up on everyone's terrific posts...

It's great to have you here!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-19-2006, 04:40 PM
Thankyou for your generous words Rebeccak!

I have already got more views on my work from CA.org! And its only been a day. Over there I think it took me a week to have someone recognise my sketchbook :( I will still post there though.

I will check that topic out now.

I am almost finished with forearm muscles study page from Barcsay's book., I will post it when I have it done.

What I will do is I will post my work when I finish it, in stacks, then every Friday I will post (like a bump) to say that I have completed that cycle. This way it cuts the spam to a minimum. (Dont want a three different posts with 1 image in each now do you ;) )

Rebeccak
05-19-2006, 04:55 PM
Fl3wk,

Sounds like a great plan! :)

BTW, if you want to see Thomasphoenix's work in condensed format, check out:

SPOTLIGHT ARTIST: Best of Thomasphoenix (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=352438)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=352438

Also, when you get the chance, be sure to check out some of the fantastic work featured in our SPOTLIGHT Forum, dedicated to showing off some of the best work from the Anatomy Forum:

SPOTLIGHT: Best of the Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Art Forum (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=198)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=198

Links to all OFDW SPOTLIGHT Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=347012)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=347012

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-19-2006, 04:59 PM
Thanks for those useful links. I will be sure to check them out.

Thomasphoenix's work in condensed format will really help as I was too overwelmed by all the posts/images he had in his topic.

Been painting all day and havent had time to study, but I can start doing some sketching soon.

Rist
05-19-2006, 09:49 PM
-----=======WEEK ONE=======-----

Friday 19th May 2006

All this work is up-to-date and will be posted daily unless I am too busy to.

This is the very first week! I will be updating everyday so keep watch on my topic! It won't be sunk to the bottom as long as I keep on updating.

I will also post a URL on my FIRST post to direct you to the first week of every week, so there may be more than one URL depending on how well I keep this up.

Thanks for looking and I hope you come back.
============================================

19/05/06 - 05/19/06

This is, as you see, arm muscle studies. I like these studies as it allows me to see what makes all those bulges in your arm and to know what I am drawing.

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/2285/051906arm119wm.jpg

Rebeccak
05-20-2006, 12:10 AM
Fl3wk,

I would encourage you to post updates as new replies, that way people know when you've updated ~ there are so many Personal Anatomy Threads now that seeing new replies is the only way I can keep up with updates. :)

Feel free to label each new post as part of the same set. That works just as well, I think, as editing an older post. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-20-2006, 09:48 AM
That works better for me too, I just didn't know if there were any guidelines to how someone posts.

I will edit my post and this time I will just say what week it was made in.

Thomasphoenix
05-20-2006, 11:31 AM
Hi Andy,

Great choice of resources Barcsay and Hogarth! And some really crisp and incisive studies!You're on the right track:thumbsup:.The force is strong with you:wise:!

cheers

Siju

SpiritDreamer
05-20-2006, 12:34 PM
:) HI...Andy...:thumbsup:

GREAT STUDIES AND THREAD....INDEED.....:applause:

Muscles working and muscles relaxing.....key to great figure painting and drawing....:)

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rist
05-20-2006, 01:37 PM
Wow thanks for the encouragement guys! I just finished my Oil painting per say (waiting till it dries almost completely then to enhance the shapes etc), so now I can do some studies again! :D

With Hogarths I might try some freedom with studying, like long and rapid strokes and such, but with Barcsay's I'm a little limited to percise detail.

Your sketchbooks are great, its a delight to get such praise from you :)

shrey
05-20-2006, 07:03 PM
thats a lota stuff ... i bookmarked ur thread for future reference... u are a benchmark for the amount of work i must put in :thumbsup:

Rist
05-20-2006, 07:05 PM
New one. Its a little inaccurate due to not being able to do too much detail or erase any mistakes. I do like its muscle information though.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4870/200506arm012zq.jpg

shrey
05-20-2006, 07:09 PM
i find studies like these tough.. i have a book by victor perard... which has similar studies.. maybe i should try them out ...

Rist
05-20-2006, 07:14 PM
thats a lota stuff ... i bookmarked ur thread for future reference... u are a benchmark for the amount of work i must put in :thumbsup:

Thanks for the nice comments :) I will try to keep things updated :thumbsup:

i find studies like these tough.. i have a book by victor perard... which has similar studies.. maybe i should try them out ...

Yeah its tough, but the end result is usually better than expected, so I keep on going :) I am finding my observational skills improving and general mark-making improving too.

demented
05-20-2006, 08:10 PM
Bones and muscles ~ one cannot draw something well if one does not understand it. The idea is not to do the studies, the idea is to make them stick - something I find a bit challenging.

Really like these studies bro - and naming the muscle groups is real helpful in memorising them. Excellent job man - keep at these and they will definitely pay off.

cheers,

- d.

Rist
05-20-2006, 09:17 PM
Bones and muscles ~ one cannot draw something well if one does not understand it. The idea is not to do the studies, the idea is to make them stick - something I find a bit challenging.

Really like these studies bro - and naming the muscle groups is real helpful in memorising them. Excellent job man - keep at these and they will definitely pay off.

cheers,

- d.

At first when I started doing this kind of thing I thought I should go frombone to skin, but then I started to think of if it was worth learning the bones and every muscle. Then I started to study Hogarths work, thats why there are more Hogarth studies than Barcsays here. But while studying his work I started to feel limited. I wanted to know 'why' that looked like that and why it looked like that but looked different at a different pose. So I have gone back to Barcsays work and I must say it is starting to click into place, why certain muscles change position and look different at certain responses (like the Biceps become thicker when you tense them).

I have always had a nack for remembering things if I draw and write them, so I am hoping this studying will pay off :D

Thanks for stopping by.

-

I am a 1/2 through my next sheet. will have it posted tomorrow.

Rist
05-21-2006, 03:09 PM
Hmm, dunno if I should show this. Some doodles I did while playing Call of Duty 2 search and Destroy.

I thought I would show them due to them being about anatomy and one or two are pretty accurate. The body was done without reference, almost memorized! :D

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3126/051906arm12doodles2vf.jpg

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7509/051906arm12doodles26aq.jpg

Here we go, another 'proper' study. I think if I carry on through this book i am heading to hand studies...

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7673/051906arm128nf.jpg

naruhito
05-21-2006, 05:12 PM
well done,
these anatomy pics are very helpful during process work.
maybe I should draw some,too.
thanks your share!!

enthombed
05-21-2006, 05:16 PM
Hey FL3wk, tnks for comment dude, i really apreciate all the help to make my work better with more time.

Need come back to my studies, lool.

Cya

Rist
05-21-2006, 05:57 PM
well done,
these anatomy pics are very helpful during process work.
maybe I should draw some,too.
thanks your share!!

Thanks, I'm not finished by far though! I'm hoping to keep going for a coupl of months hopefully. I got like 6 anatomy books to go through along with all the useful online stuff people like Mentler (Bone Doctor here) post.

Hey FL3wk, tnks for comment dude, i really apreciate all the help to make my work better with more time.

Need come back to my studies, lool.

Cya

Sure I'll go back, if you post new things. I'm a pretty good crit for what I have read and analyzed so I might be able to help in some ways.

The last image will have an update to include one more hand, this time the palm side, if it was hard to imagine last time.

Rist
05-21-2006, 07:23 PM
These hand studies are hard and take too much time. Do you think its worth learning the muscles of the hand?

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5995/051906arm131ti.jpg

umbrellasky
05-21-2006, 08:11 PM
Hiya! Thanks for your comment in my thread :D

Wonderful sketches!

demented
05-21-2006, 08:35 PM
Hey Fl3wk

Learning the muscles and bonestructure of the hand is paramount to drawing it correctly - especially the hand. The bones determine which bumps go where, and I consider this a tad more important than the muscles. Hands are widely considered as one of the hardest part of the human body to draw, so understanding it is a long leap in the right direction.

This is a great study - if I were you I'd take a stab at drawing actual hands - draw them in all kinds gestures; imho hands are very expressive subjects - maybe consider this as you draw them.

This thread is one to keep tabs on:thumbsup:.

PS - You've posted your images as .png and they're quite huge. Posting them as .jpg will reduce their size dramatically. Then my poor bandwidth won't die:).

keep up the great work; cheers man,

- d.

Rist
05-21-2006, 09:25 PM
Hey Fl3wk

Learning the muscles and bonestructure of the hand is paramount to drawing it correctly - especially the hand. The bones determine which bumps go where, and I consider this a tad more important than the muscles. Hands are widely considered as one of the hardest part of the human body to draw, so understanding it is a long leap in the right direction.

This is a great study - if I were you I'd take a stab at drawing actual hands - draw them in all kinds gestures; imho hands are very expressive subjects - maybe consider this as you draw them.

This thread is one to keep tabs on:thumbsup:.

PS - You've posted your images as .png and they're quite huge. Posting them as .jpg will reduce their size dramatically. Then my poor bandwidth won't die:).

keep up the great work; cheers man,

- d.

Oh sorry, I got 1MB broadband so I never really see the slow-downs. I will replace all the PNG files with smaller ones tomorrow.

I knew hands were difficult to draw and if its mandatory to learn the structure of the hand then I will put in the hard work to learn it. I got Burne Hogarths book on hands so I hope that will learn me a trick or two.

I will see into drawing hands from life.

Thanks for the interest in my topic :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
05-21-2006, 10:04 PM
Fl3wk,

It's fantastic to see your studies, definitely keep with them. :thumbsup:

Do you have access to life drawing classes? I think really the combination of life drawing, anatomy studies, and Master Copies is the best combination for learning how to properly draw and paint the figure.

Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-21-2006, 10:20 PM
Fl3wk,

It's fantastic to see your studies, definitely keep with them. :thumbsup:

Do you have access to life drawing classes? I think really the combination of life drawing, anatomy studies, and Master Copies is the best combination for learning how to properly draw and paint the figure.

Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

We only have one in our college and I only had her 1 session a week for 6 weeks. It's almost end of the year so theres no way to go to one. I will try to join some in my degree next year though!

I believe Life drawing is good to learn the human form, but in all honesty, improving with drawing comes from extensive practive in observing anything to draw, not just nude models. But then again we are talking about anatomy here so it is important :)

My next study will be the whole arm apparently, unless I decide to do a master copy or observation study. Or Hogarths study.

oh btw, I have changed over half of the formats to JPEG, i will do the rest tomorrow. Sorry for any inconveniences.

Rist
05-22-2006, 08:24 AM
Ok its all been changed to JPEG. Those that wanted to view the images but were unable to due to the sizes can and those that tried but failed to see some can also see them all now. I would suggest looking back to see if you missed any if your interested in looking :D

Thanks for your patients.

Rist
05-22-2006, 06:34 PM
Here are the whole arm studies. I did the first one again because I was annoyed by all the mistakes.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1584/051906arm148si.jpg

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3715/051906arm162sf.jpg

And here is the other side.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/2020/051906arm158yz.jpg

Rebeccak
05-22-2006, 06:58 PM
Fl3wk,

It's fantastic to see the diligence with which you are pursuing your studies! :thumbsup: I am quite curious as to the medium which you are using for your drawings ~ looks to be chalk, but I can't be sure.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-22-2006, 07:00 PM
Fl3wk,

It's fantastic to see the diligence with which you are pursuing your studies! :thumbsup: I am quite curious as to the medium which you are using for your drawings ~ looks to be chalk, but I can't be sure.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

The last three where done on smooth thin texture card with Derwent Studio Colour Pencils, 72 pack so that i have a wide colour range :D Might buy the 120 pack when these run out.

Rebeccak
05-22-2006, 07:03 PM
Hey there, have you ever tried Berol Prismacolors? They're quite nice, very soft and resilient, and they have a beautiful line. You might try buying just a few individually and giving those a whirl. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Ive looked but it seems they arent sold in the UK. They came under another name over here but the UK company went out of business. If I do get some from the US (Import) then i will buy the whole pack to justify the delivery cost.

My next two studies will be similar to the above, but either side of the arm.

What are the positions of the views called? Like Lateral Aspect, Anterior Aspect, Inferior Aspect etc etc. I know Anterior is the view looking in front of the body.

Lateral aspect = behind view?
Anterior aspect = Front view?
Inferior Aspect = looking from above view?
Ulna Aspect = looking from the little finger view/and toe
Radial Aspect = Thumb side view/big toe

Rebeccak
05-22-2006, 07:16 PM
Hey there,

I'm sure the pencils you're using are fine. :)

Regarding anatomical terms, check out this site, which has a lot of great free reference:

http://www.anatomyatlases.org/atlasofanatomy/plateindex.shtml

Also, Gray's Anatomy is online, which is a fantastic resource, here:

http://www.bartleby.com/107/

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-22-2006, 07:56 PM
Thanks, but I found this (http://www.dinosauria.com/dml/anatomy.htm) better for just names.

Those sites are very useful for other means though!

EDIT: hmmm, i guess that wasnt so useful, oh well. It explains what Anterior means, but nothing else really.

shrey
05-22-2006, 08:31 PM
i tried studies like urs and they are super useful:applause:.. but i still don feel like marking the diff muscles.. coz i find em cryptic.. but it certainly helps my sketching.. my scanner is down got to get it fixed:sad:
and thanks to rebecca again for the anatomy atlas link :)

Rist
05-22-2006, 08:49 PM
Naming the muscles help you to memorize the places they are in. Think of it as visually thinking where something is and thinking where everthing is due to text. Atleast thats how I see it. The more I mark the muscles, the more I memorize.

Another way to think about it is this is how many times 'minimum' you see all the different areas individually:

1. Sketching rapidly.
2. Tweak the draft
3. Go in detail
4. add some fancy colour
5. Name each part
6. Look at the names and the parts to see if you did any errors
7. Have a look at what you did.

Thats SEVEN times you will look at the parts. It is known by theory that 4 times thinking of something allows you to remember that thing for a few days, or months depedning on the subject and brain power. But i usually dont go by theory and think and see it for about 20+ times before I know I have memorized it :D

CgIcecube
05-23-2006, 05:35 PM
Fl3wk:thumbsup: Great stuff here:)
Your work from Hogarth's anatomy figures is amazing:scream:

And keep up the good teaching:
Naming the muscles help you to memorize the places they are in. Think of it as visually thinking where something is and thinking where everthing is due to text. Atleast thats how I see it. The more I mark the muscles, the more I memorize.

Another way to think about it is this is how many times 'minimum' you see all the different areas individually:

1. Sketching rapidly.
2. Tweak the draft
3. Go in detail
4. add some fancy colour
5. Name each part
6. Look at the names and the parts to see if you did any errors
7. Have a look at what you did.

Thats SEVEN times you will look at the parts. It is known by theory that 4 times thinking of something allows you to remember that thing for a few days, or months depedning on the subject and brain power. But i usually dont go by theory and think and see it for about 20+ times before I know I have memorized it :D

Rist
05-23-2006, 05:40 PM
Just my daily philosophy :D

I'll do some more Hogarth studies during my vacation next week. Right now I am learning the arm muscles -all of the- from barcsay

Thanks for the nice comment! i'm not used to nice comments of my work from online communities :shrug:

Rist
05-23-2006, 08:00 PM
Just finished this for those that are interested. I used a new method of showing the information which is in BETA. I believe if you keep the writing 'dulled' down, it allows the eye tpo focus on the image until they 'want' to read the text. I have also 'pulled' out the muscles and seperated them to show which muscle is labeled; this clears all the clutter and distraction.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8218/051906arm173is.jpg

I believe the hand is too small, but that can be ignored as it isnt the part I am studying here.

DoctorBone
05-23-2006, 11:05 PM
You have some excellent studies here Hogarth is a excellent resource to understand anatomy his style is very much rounded and one needs to remember variety when working from his books <> I fine Barcsey an excellent resource as well <> the only thing I would say about Jeno is to not get overly involved with rendering <> it is far better to do a dozen studies than one <> time is very important use it to learn not to render.

Rist
05-24-2006, 11:10 AM
Thank you for the advice Michaelis. It just can be hard to not render because the results can look so pretty when finished :D These coloured ones took me about 30mins each, I guess it is too long. I will go for a more sketchy solution. Maybe these rendered ones can be for portfolio additions.

I got one more that I will render and then try your advice out. I'm a little of a perfectionist so it might be a little tough to resist :eek:

I got lots of time next week and even more time after that because my course projects will all be done and theres only the exbition to set up. Lots and lots of studies then! :twisted:

EDIT: I will be going through Photoshop/Painter tutorials through these books I have, will I be able to post them here? I am not sure if they will include figuative work, but I can try to trist the tutorials so that I can do figurative things.

Rist
05-24-2006, 05:52 PM
This ones a little cack, if thats a word. The proportions aren't right and the colouring is horried. But I aint redoing it, I'm gonna try that quick sketchy studying now.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5575/051906arm188da.jpg

Rist
05-26-2006, 10:25 AM
Sorry for no update yesturday, I was busy working on my final piece for my course.

I have been Oil Painting for about 6 weeks now and this is my final piece. It might be tweaked alittle, but not much because I've ran out of time.

Title: Emotional Pole

Size: 1500mm 300mm

Support: Calico on Canvas

Prime: Black Acrylic paint

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3039/emotionspole4ib.jpg

Close-up of faces:

Laughter
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9761/ep17ga.jpg

Smiling
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6493/ep20ke.jpg

Suprised
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7004/ep37oj.jpg

Anger
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8303/ep43nh.jpg

Terror
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4174/ep50zg.jpg

Hope you like :bounce:

Azabache
05-26-2006, 01:04 PM
Very nice anatomy studies Fl3wk!!

And that painting with the faces was very good as well, but I think the last one it's a little deformed. Too much fear perhaps? :)

More stuff!!

Azabache!!

Rist
05-26-2006, 02:17 PM
Thanks.

Its a bad photo actually :sad: It's not as blurred and it has light highlights. Here is the reference photo, taken by me and is me :applause:

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/117/mefear5hh.jpg

Rist
05-26-2006, 02:19 PM
Very nice anatomy studies Fl3wk!!

And that painting with the faces was very good as well, but I think the last one it's a little deformed. Too much fear perhaps? :)

More stuff!!

Azabache!!

Actually now that you mention it I do see a deformaty in the eyes and a little tweak that is needed in the nose :shrug:

Rebeccak
05-26-2006, 03:17 PM
Fl3wk,

Really enjoyed seeing your oil painting final, and it looks as though a lot went into it. I particularly like the top piece which I am guessing is your first. I think the lighting on some of the others flattens out a bit and looks a little more hurried. Doing head paintings such as these is a terrific exercise and I would encourage you to do as many as you can. When I did oil head studies in school I would often paint on acrylic primed approximately paper~sized board. I would love to see you do more of these oil head / figure studies as they are just what one needs to develop a better figurative vocabulary.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-26-2006, 04:34 PM
Actually that was the last one... The bootom one was my first one. I did work alot more on that day though as it was my last day and I put in extra time to finish it off to an acceptable level. The middle one is my worst one and the one above it, but the rest seem fine IMO. I still have quite alot of oil left so I can do more paintings I suppose :)

Thanks for the nice comments!

Rist
05-26-2006, 06:23 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I need to say this.

I'm thinking of cutting down on the anatomy studies a little to do some creative things. I see if I just keep copying others work it will make me styleless and unoriginal. So I might start doing proper works and when I get into a fix with a certain body part I will just look at how it forms and then add it to the picture. I think its down to experience, not full on hard studies. Like I said, I'm not quitting it, just cutting down so i can do some original stuff, well personal stuff.

I am also going to start working with digital software aswell as traditional stuff to become even more versitile. Drawing is great, but im only limiting myself by ONLY doing this.

Before I was doing college work too, so it kinda broke the studying up a little, but now I have finished all my projects it seems I need to start working on personal stuff.

With this in mind, I can start to do some Master Copies, and copies in my own style f theyu dont mind ^^

So comments and tips on this move?

Rebeccak
05-26-2006, 06:42 PM
Fl3wk,

You are of course welcome to any type of work you like! :) No permission is needed. ;) Anything pertaining to figurative traditional / digital / drawing / painting is welcome here. You're also welcome to do animal / creature studies and if you're nice to me, even environmental pieces too. :D

Cheers, ;)

~Rebeccak

Rist
05-26-2006, 08:18 PM
So the word anatomy as a term is regarded loosely here? I guess it is :D

Well I have 3 years experience with photoshop in the basic sense, so it wont be too difficult to delve into it. With Painter I have some of the basics down, but not much experience.

I got an A2 sheet with quick anatomy sketches to show once I take a photo of it. I'm gonna do something different after that sheet. Also I will show you all my sketches and such of what I do when I get back from my mini vacation.

Rist
05-27-2006, 12:33 PM
This is the second painting of my 3 main pieces of my major project. This one is different, it is all about mark making and paint slap on.

Title: Anger Desease
Type: Oil on Canvas
Size: 1500mm by 300mm

I have always thought that true anger is a desease that it set in the mind and there is'nt a proper remedy for it. You can surely calm the anger down and appear 'chilled', but that anger always comes back, no doubt in short heavy bursts if the person tries to hold it back.

These photos really dont do the painting justice as you cannot see the intricate detail within the layers of paint through-out the canvas. In fact the face is the simplest of the piece because the other parts of the canvas as so much detail in the mark making it becomes hard to tell how I did it. If you look closely at this painting you see orange potrusions. This is an acrylic based build out that i did before I painted the piece in oil. I just slapped on thick and dry'ish orange acrylic paint. Let it dry and then start with oils. How this happened is that I scaped away the oil with a palette knife and it became an odd body of marks.

I hope you like this disturbing and dirty piece. Not for the faint hearted.

As you can see here it doesnt give the true nature of the piece. I have tried doing close-ups but they become blurred and distorted (similer to the fear face I did).
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5886/fullpane3mt.jpg

This is a semi-close-up of the face area. I didnt want it to be too realistic and I didnt want realistic colours either. Mainly i just wanted to create a focus point and a much deeper meaning for the piece.
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8272/facepane5oe.jpg

This is the 'desease' area, this photo doesnt really give it justice.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3051/deseasepane4tv.jpg

I might tweak it through the week, but I think its finished.

Hope you like.

EDIT: I have changed it enough to re-show, so i will show the 'improved' version tomorrow.

Fusioniz
05-27-2006, 01:01 PM
nice drawings there fl3wk. hogarth dynamic anatomy is really a treasure. lol my scanner's down so i can't upload my drawings. dang

Trunks
05-27-2006, 02:42 PM
You have a nice sketchbook here and you are doing a lot of studies which really impresses myself. I am interrested in your "more creative" art so show us more ;)

I never tried oil painting but I have to do it some day. Are these colors always a little dark? Because I think acryl is mostly a little bright.

Keep them coming :)

SpiritDreamer
05-27-2006, 05:27 PM
:) Hi...Fl3wk // Andrew
Like the way you are using youself to study the inward, and outward effects of emotions,and
your dramatic use of lighting, in helping to creat the mood....:thumbsup:
You might want to make twenty or thirty small canvases...say 4 by 6 inches...use oils or
mixed media, whatever you prefer...do as many emotions as you can think of...some very subtle, some blatent...experiment with different colors that capture the emotion and mood...
red..anger... green...envy....blue...calm....ect...and all the subtle combinations involved when
it comes to expressing emotions through paint.
IT IS A LOT CHEAPER WORKING SMALL, and small can be just as powerful as big, if done
corectly...plus you can do ten times as many...which will improve your technique and
understanding of the effects of emotions....FASTER..:)
Plus working small will allow you to scan them into the computer, where you can experiment even further...:scream: :thumbsup:
Really enjoying your thread...and looking forward to seeing more of your thoughts and works:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rist
05-28-2006, 10:28 AM
Thanks guys for your comments, it really helps to motivate me in keeping to the updates!

SpiritDreamer:

These two paintings are for my exabition so they have to be big to [a: fill the space, and [b: to be impressive. I hope the moderator likes them as this course determines more on how the moderator likes the exabition rather than the grading criteria; ofcourse he does look at the units to see if I have covered them, but between a pass merit and a destinction is whether he likes my stuff.

I like the idea on the small canvases, I might try something similar to that in my spare time. Maybe not just restrict myself to human subjects, but also enviromental and maybe animal.

I will take photos of the updated version of the painting and also scan in the sketches I did last night and today.

Studying since November and doing college work as made me rusty in the personal work department. Whenever I start doing my own thing I start to worry about anatomical problems and all other stuff I get frustrated with. Before the studying I would just do what i liked without worrying about these things. It's time to move on and try to incorperate personal work into my new way of thinking.

Hopefully with this coming holiday (tomorrow) I can start to do some none-studying personal work. Lets wait and see!


I am currently reading up on Painter IX with a VERY useful book that tells me everthing about it and more! I hope to produce some of these works soon. Even though i am paddling into the digital area of Art, I am still not going to give up on traditional stuff and I dont intend to, ever. The Degree course I will be going on requires me to be experimental with traditional mediums, and hopefully CG too. They say its a very versatile course.

Rist
05-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Another anatomy update. I went with Doc's suggestions and here is what I have. I got 7 pages done! About 5 yesturday and 2 this morning.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3904/280506sketch0012sp.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4821/280506sketch0021vs.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9876/280506sketch0034qs.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3953/280506sketch0048mx.jpg

Just messing with pencils without reference:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9554/280506sketch0057sw.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2683/280506sketch0069ol.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6485/280506sketch0070qa.jpg

Some of the above wasnt from Ref, I just messed around with what I have learned.

Rebeccak
05-29-2006, 02:49 AM
Fl3wk,

It's great to see your motivation, and I am enjoying watching your progress. :) Keep after these sketches, they remind me very much of the sketches I did as an undergraduate student. I spent an entire semester copying Hogarth, and it has stood me in good stead. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

enthombed
05-29-2006, 05:28 PM
great work my friend, this is a cool stuff who you post in the last page, i need start some studys in hogart too, need time, my period is coming over finally, i hope maintain my timming and try to make more studys in this week to post in the weekend.

Keep it up bud.

Cheers

Icaro

Trunks
05-29-2006, 05:52 PM
Nice studys! I like the first sketch the most ;) Keep motivated and keep them coming :)

Rist
06-02-2006, 01:33 PM
Thanks all for the comments, I appreciate them as they drive me further along the road, pushing me, otherwise I would stop and crash!

Ok I didn't do as many as I could because, as some brits might know, it was a rainy week, ON MY HOLIDAY! So I couldnt go to the beach and paint some scenic views. I did do a few studies, not the daily ones, but a few :(


I also did some sketches while in the Pavilion in Butlins, if you know of the place.

WEEK 2


http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3355/0014xs.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/7879/0028yw.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4413/0032ju.jpg


http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5551/0046kr.jpg

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/4568/0054ph.jpg

Rebeccak
06-02-2006, 01:53 PM
Fl3wk,

Those top studies are really starting to come together and to look more confident and polished. Keep up with these, and keep trying to steadily improve! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rist
06-02-2006, 06:52 PM
Fl3wk,

Those top studies are really starting to come together and to look more confident and polished. Keep up with these, and keep trying to steadily improve! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Thanks Becks, I'm currently polishing my dissertation for college so I wont be able to start Week 3 today. Tomorrow I might not be able to either, but sunday i will upload tomorrows work, and then sundays when it is complete. I have made folders on my hardrive for each week, this will help me to see how many sheets I am doing a week and also look at my improvment through out the folders.

I am onto my third and last canvas painting tomorrow, so i might be able to post that before sunday! :D

razz
06-02-2006, 07:22 PM
You have nice studies here. You're improving and that's a great thing to see. It's good that you're trying to do a lot of sketches every day/week, but please remember, that it's not the quantity, but quality that matters :) Keep on going!!

Rist
06-03-2006, 12:42 PM
You have nice studies here. You're improving and that's a great thing to see. It's good that you're trying to do a lot of sketches every day/week, but please remember, that it's not the quantity, but quality that matters :) Keep on going!!

Thanks.

I try to do quality AND quantity. With quality its to record what I am learning and to try and improve on certain mediums/skills. With quantity I like to scribble/sketch down what i have learned and to see if its actually been memorized, and then I just do some doodles once in a while of that thing I learned, just to make sure I will remember it.

Title: Delight
Size: 1500mm by 150mm
Support: Oil on Canvas

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5665/0011xt.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1816/0027ba.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7483/0030qp.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1903/0046ok.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/8269/0054ck.jpg

Rebeccak
06-03-2006, 09:39 PM
Fl3wk,

I really like how you are pushing the paint around on these ~ I think you might try using more darks to better define forms, as currently the faces are reading as a bit flat.

Even when working expressively, you want something of the form to be described ~ even if some of the form is more rendered, and other parts of the form are wiped away / obliterated.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
06-04-2006, 09:45 AM
Fl3wk,

I really like how you are pushing the paint around on these ~ I think you might try using more darks to better define forms, as currently the faces are reading as a bit flat.

Even when working expressively, you want something of the form to be described ~ even if some of the form is more rendered, and other parts of the form are wiped away / obliterated.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thanks for that. Will burnt Umber with a little Prussian Blue work? I am trying to convey warm colours in this piece and I do not want to disrupt the harmony.

Oh btw, I can add Illustrator CS2 to my skills list ^^ currently learning it! Once learnt I will try to wip out some figurative vector art!

Rist
06-04-2006, 12:02 PM
Please tell me this is better as there is no going back to the original...

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5803/0060se.jpg

I have today and tomorrow to improve it so please dish out some suggestions.

Rist
06-04-2006, 12:24 PM
:twisted: update :twisted:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5789/0077fo.jpg

Gave the bottom image more definition and painted more brown in the gaps.

Rist
06-04-2006, 01:58 PM
:twisted: UPDATE 2 :twisted:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6601/0088ez.jpg

:twisted: UPDATE 3 :twisted:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4207/0096aj.jpg


I'm going to add some white highlights to give it more depth. What do you think?

Rist
06-04-2006, 03:07 PM
BEFORE - NOW

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5665/0011xt.jpghttp://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5476/0109mj.jpg

The first one was taken in sun light and the other indoors, so naturally one is lighter than the other. I would scan them in...if I could :)

enthombed
06-04-2006, 03:14 PM
Hey bud, great as always, really great work, today i will go to buy some media and try something new, really try some stuff diferent as usual, stop a little the digital stuff.

Keep it up my friend

Cheers

Icaro

Rist
06-04-2006, 03:47 PM
Hey bud, great as always, really great work, today i will go to buy some media and try something new, really try some stuff diferent as usual, stop a little the digital stuff.

Keep it up my friend

Cheers

Icaro

Thanks Icaro for following my topic, it gives me that much more determination to keep going! :D

This last piece was the last of the project so that means I have more time, much more time to do digital art and other great things! I find oils a little too messy for my liking so I am thinking of trying less messy mediums and also digital of course.

I'm getting the DVD 'Total Training: Advanced Photoshop CS2', so learning the advanced techniques will hopefully get me addicted! I already know the basics and the intermediate level, lets see what those extra features will do!

LAST PRISON BREAK ON MONDAY!

Rist
06-09-2006, 06:45 PM
Anyway, here is my first draft sketch for the Workshop017

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8906/peltguy9vy.jpg

Thanks for visiting.

I've been studying photoshop lately (DVD tuts) so i dont have much to offer this week. Sucks, I know :sad: sOORRRy! :D

Rist
06-11-2006, 11:13 AM
A few arm studies.


http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4626/0013dm1.jpg

Rist
06-14-2006, 06:18 PM
This A2 sheet I started is only half full :eek: it has 9 sketches in it. I quite like the way it looks up to now. An estimation of 18 sketches will come from it. This one isn't the quick sketchy style, its a more relaxed approach with some shading and inking over the lines. My next sheet I think I will do some speed sketches.

Rist
06-15-2006, 01:49 PM
Practising with the filters and controls in photoshop.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2894/warpedpractice8ba.jpg

Rist
06-18-2006, 12:18 PM
This is the work from the A2 sheet:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6019/0016ny.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8973/0020vd.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6348/0032ob.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5296/0043uw.jpg

CgIcecube
06-18-2006, 03:18 PM
Hi Fl3wk!.. You are doing good work with Hogarth studies...They are very inspiring fr all beginners who want to be able to draw good anatomy!..Abt the difficulty u r facing fr posting ur work here...I'll just suggest u to be calm with admin. After all we expect such a good artist to be a very kind person as well.

Rebeccak
06-18-2006, 03:20 PM
By the way, your thread was listed as a "Hot Thread" in the CGSociety Newsletter, which is a great honor! :) Paul Hellard, the editor for CGS publications, is a great supporter of the Anatomy Forum and has given it some great attention in the recent past. This means a lot of people you may not be aware of have probably been looking at your thread! Congrats! :)

Regarding your drawings, these are some great sheets! One suggestion is not to press so hard with the media you are using, and to vary the line weight a bit on the exterior forms. In a way, let the figures 'breathe'. Nice work here, and I hope to see more!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
06-18-2006, 08:29 PM
My first study done digitally:

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/2462/0053jp.jpg

ANd I must say, I prefer it done this way. Its cleaner, cheap (use no supplies), and efficient. I see why Commercial artists use it rather than traditional media.

This is the first one so it does seem a little rusty, which should get better the more I use the tablet.

razz
06-19-2006, 12:45 AM
I think I've done the same leg study some time ago :D traditionally of course. Why? Because to me, as I'm just in the state of memorising bones, muscles and stuff, it is much more comfortable to have it always near me. Let's say if I would go out to the sea and draw people from life, it will not help me at all if I've done all studies digitally. But if I have all the studies in a sketchbook near me, I can always watch and remember things, like where one or another muscle attaches. Of course it's not a problem if you draw only at home, but I'm keeping my sketchbook near me ALL THE TIME and I'm really not the person who would sit and learn all the muscles and bones in one evening by looking at an anatomy book or something. I keep my studies near me, I look at them when I need to, makes it easier to me and I memorise it progressively. I think you understood what I wanted to tell. Maybe it's just my preference. Good luck with your studies.

Rist
06-19-2006, 08:29 AM
I have a folder full of studie, which I think is more than a sketchbook. What I am doing now is redrawing what I initially drew so that I memorise it even further, Yes it is repetetive, but if it gets memorised I am sure it was worth it. This is why i see the PC as the more efficient now, because I don't use up expensive paper or pencils (I usually go for Dewent and Winsor supplies :D ) and showing you guys them is a lot quicker too. If theres a study that i am unfamilier with I will do what you say and record it traditionally.

I will try to get a few more digital studies done. This new way might allow me to get more done, which again, is better than the old way.

I can post instantly again so I can post my updates easily and edit easier too.

Edit: Doing the studies on the computer can be useful, you could transfer them to laptop and carry that with you, you could print out the images you think are best and are helpful on draft copy so it doesnt take much ink, or you could just take the reference book, which would way the same or maybe less. So using the computer isn't as limiting as you think, sketchbooks might be your way of doing things, but its not the only way, broaden your learning processes to find the right one that suits you. I thought sketching with pencil was the best thing at first, but then I tried all kinds of things, from card with pastels, to marker paper with markers. Now I am trying the compuer. Up to now I would say pen is the best as its the most unforgiving which makes you concentrate more. But once finished with the computer, thats on the table to decide too.

Consider what I say, it can be worthwhile to try other things before choosing.

Rebeccak
06-20-2006, 02:27 AM
There's really no need to debate the use of traditional vs. digital materials :) as many artists on this site use both, and it's widely recognized the usefulness of one media to the other. I always heard the mantra that the better digital artists were the ones who were better at traditional art, and for the most part this is true, though not always. It doesn't really matter ~ what matters is what works for you, and in the case of high school students, as razz is, what gets you into an art program. ;) I'm a completely traditionally trained artist and that traditional training comes into play every time I touch my wacom pen to tablet. As well I think that were I to go back and do a traditional painting, there is much more that I would see now having spent so much time practicing digital painting.

They're definitely mutually beneficial. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
06-21-2006, 08:27 AM
There's really no need to debate the use of traditional vs. digital materials :) as many artists on this site use both, and it's widely recognized the usefulness of one media to the other. I always heard the mantra that the better digital artists were the ones who were better at traditional art, and for the most part this is true, though not always. It doesn't really matter ~ what matters is what works for you, and in the case of high school students, as razz is, what gets you into an art program. ;) I'm a completely traditionally trained artist and that traditional training comes into play every time I touch my wacom pen to tablet. As well I think that were I to go back and do a traditional painting, there is much more that I would see now having spent so much time practicing digital painting.

They're definitely mutually beneficial. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

I also believe this, thats why I am trying all tools to find that right one to use. But my my PC being low in RAM/CPU I have resorted in going back to paper. I am currently working on a A2 cartridge sheet (last one was layout paper), and instead of almost rendered images, these will be sketches, fast ones hopefully.

As with the layout one, this might also take a few days to complete.

Oh btw, I got the results for my Art and Design Foundation course, I got a Distinction :cool: (it goes fail, pass, merit, distinction) Thanks to the oil painting subject :arteest: oh and the determination :banghead:

My last course I barely scraped through (National Diploma Fine Art), so I am exceptionally proud to be getting this award! So with that, my University accepted me a place (was conditional if I passed this course).


I thought up a saying that will remind me of my objective if I stray:

"A narrative is but a tool, allow art to control the narrative, not the other way. That includes a fantasy theme, futuristic theme, and themes of other nature"

Before it was:

"Dont allow fantasy dominate your work, allow art to dominate fantasy" But that was a more personal quote.

They seem to work because i tend to get caught up in the subject and then I worry what to do with that, but I should be using the art, not the subject.

Sorry, I get typative at times, especially when I have no work to show in my post! :curious:

YMS
06-21-2006, 11:03 AM
I got a Distinction

Well done!!

Hope you get to work on your OFDW18 piece with traditional if your computer's giving you grief.

Rist
06-21-2006, 11:26 AM
Well done!!

Hope you get to work on your OFDW18 piece with traditional if your computer's giving you grief.

Thanks man, I have a private viewing tonight at 6:30 which we invite parents and friends.

As for the OFDW18 I'm sure I will start it sometime :deal:

Rist
06-23-2006, 07:16 PM
Leg studies. I gave up on the A2 sheet as its too big for studies in my opinion. This sketches overlap confusingly, next time I will plan the composition better.

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/8378/001leg7ed.jpg

Rebeccak
06-26-2006, 11:15 PM
Fl3wk,

Nice sheet! Keep up the good work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
06-27-2006, 09:22 PM
That page was quite difficult to pull off because I was drawing on textured card with an automatic 2B thick Graphite pencil, the poses themselves were difficult, and to add the former to the fray it made it that much more.

You may have noticed updates slowing to almost none, that is because since finishing college, my enthusiasm for studying from books like I have is running down the road and its hard to catch up to. So now I think I will partially put studying aside and do the thing that got me interested in art in the first place; imagination. This has been really lacking since I picked up those books, so what I will do is create my imaginative pieces of work, but use the books as reference for my figurative work. I guess thats the way to go really, but studying like I was is also a way to go, but in smaller doses. So I think I will try and gain my love for the profession again and then gradually go back to studying. Right now I am just feeling bored and tired of it all.

Been messing with my markers today and found a neat trick out that makes the colours paler than usual and every layer begins to develop stronger colour. The first drawing was a representation of a sad slave, which was an experiment, and the oter I tried to do without using black, which was a rock star per-say. I will scan them in tomorrow.

I'm suprised my topic has gone over the 100 post mark, this as never happened for me before, thatnks for this small milestone! :D

Rist
06-29-2006, 05:24 PM
I said I was going to scan in the marker work i have been doing, but damn does the scanner make the colours look rediculous! I will see about photographing them instead and edit this post.

Rist
06-30-2006, 09:51 AM
Here is a new concept. Its a hermits home in the middle-ages period. It has a stables where horses can sleep, and its well cared for.

Its for a mod I am participating in.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6576/hermithome5cq.jpg

Rist
06-30-2006, 10:42 PM
Head study from the workshops.

Did I mention that my scanner sucks? Yeah? Thought so :D

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/9555/0036hb.jpg

demented
06-30-2006, 10:49 PM
Hey Flewk.

Durer - what a dude - that porttrait rocks, man. well done - you've managed to capture all the essential features very well. see you improvised here and there a tad - great job. and congrats on getting the hot thread title - awesome work dude.

cheers

- d.

Rist
07-02-2006, 01:18 PM
Hey Flewk.

Durer - what a dude - that porttrait rocks, man. well done - you've managed to capture all the essential features very well. see you improvised here and there a tad - great job. and congrats on getting the hot thread title - awesome work dude.

cheers

- d.

Thanks, I'm not sure I like that style of shading that much, i will be experimenting some what throughout the Heads workshop.

Here is what I did on saturday and a bit on sunday morning.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3631/001077ci.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2562/002079nn.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9894/003076ov.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9575/004074ny.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6381/006077xa.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4914/005078fu.jpg

Rebeccak
07-02-2006, 05:05 PM
Fl3wk,

Nice sense of volume in the latter pages ~ one thing I would recommend is not shading in a scribbly manner, but rather using more smooth, even strokes that follow the contour / topology of the form. Nice to see you aboard the 50 Portraits thread, and good to see your enthusiasm there. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
07-07-2006, 11:55 AM
Yeah, that scribbly effect needs to be controlled. i bought a Faber-Castell TK9400 4B clutch pencil, I will have some drawings from it soon :D

Is that Zinidin Zidane in your avatar Rebeccak?

Rist
07-15-2006, 01:38 PM
Hmm very slow thread right now, well, its on freeze-mode. I will try to change that. Reason being? Well I haven't had much motivation to do ANY art work, really, so I propose a task for myself. Its not a hard task, which will keep me interested, and its about the most important part of an image with people in it, the eyes. Thats right, I will draw hundreds of eyes. When I feel I have gone over the border line to master the shape and colour of the eyes, then i will move onto another task, harder if this goes well. I will probably be doing my anatomy work on the side, but just not scanning it in.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3742/eyetaskeb2.jpg

So, with this task, you will be seeing more work from me, and possibly with more mediums. I will start it straight away so it doesnt become a false promise.

Hope its interesting enough to keep viewers coming back, if not I will spice things up alittle.

Rebeccak
07-17-2006, 10:57 PM
Ah, looking forward to this. :)

Of course, the Web Gallery of Art (http://www.wga.hu/) is a great resource. It's where the 100 Portraits on the 50 Portraits thread come from. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
07-19-2006, 09:49 AM
I've done a few pages. but its so hot here I seem to not be bothered with working at the moment! :sad:

I have also started using watercolour paints, I might try to intergrate these eye studies with the paints.

Thanks for the link, I will see what there!

Rist
07-20-2006, 09:17 PM
Sorry not many, been quite hot and not been very creative... Oh and I have been reading up on Watercolour painting/experimenting.

The rendered eyes were made up from what I learned. The lighter sketches are from quick 1 or 2 second glances at actors eyes on the TV.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/5489/001el5.jpg

Looking at actors on TV, but this time looking at the structor of the eys and experimenting.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/2699/002gk2.jpg

Same as the above, expermenting:

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/3161/003fs4.jpg


Adding a little more of the face.

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/192/004fz8.jpg

Some doodled characters:

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/5672/005pi9.jpg




I agree the quality isn't the best, the heat is disrupting my workflow alitte. I hope the clouds return soon :D

Rebeccak
07-21-2006, 05:44 AM
Fl3wk,

Good to see this project ~ I think the eyes on the left half of your first page are nicely volumetric ~ I think perhaps you might try finding better reference and slowing down a bit on the other drawings ~ really try to get the most out of the sketches, and don't do them just to get a specific quantitative number. :) One thing I think you may be doing too much is outlining the eye, vs. shading ~ this immediately flattens it out. Try shaping the eyesocket through shading and situating the eye within it. Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rist
07-21-2006, 09:07 AM
It does, and I will try this out. None of these images were from reference, so my next task will be to first work from photos, then self portrait, and lastly other people, not from TV, that seems worse than it is good.

NR43
07-23-2006, 10:58 AM
Hey Fl3wk,

Just letting you know you've got a great thread going on here from what I've seen so far. Will go through it later but expecting visitors any minute ;)

Rist
07-30-2006, 10:02 AM
Thanks,

I have been reading about Mind Maps, and the brain in general, and I think I have figured out why I slowed to almost a stand still with my anatomy work. When I was doing loads, I was keeping it interesting with different colours and mediums, but then I changed to pencils because someone mentioned I should be more rapid and fast. So I am thinking, because I am only using monotone colours, that my interest is lowered. Its really facinating the book I am reading, i might be able to work 20% more efficient, or more.

I would be whissing through it, but I have a terrible tooth ache, so it might go slow still. :sad:

Rist
08-01-2006, 07:43 PM
Ok I will be testing this theory out with my next studies.

Apparently the tooth-ache I had wasnt tooth ache, but an ulcer forming, so my face is swollen :eek: So I wont be doing much for the next two weeks (I would cry if my face wasnt so swollen).

EDIT: I forgot the link, HERE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=388297) it is. I would love some feedback on this if you have time! :D

aLoneCuzzo
08-03-2006, 01:53 PM
hey you've got a great thread going here!

Thanks for stopping by my way

Rist
08-03-2006, 01:58 PM
I did, but not been very creative recently. I'm still hopeful and I will try to get back on track. Off sick so ya know, not much being done :scream:

Rist
08-05-2006, 11:53 AM
With me creating study theories and what not, I had to try it out, otherwise I'd be a barking dog with no bite!

So here is my first so far, an heads one is in the making. Because I hadn't done no studying for a week, and I was inflicted with a minor illness (swollen gums and cheek), I had trouble taking all the steps. These were photographed by the way, apologis'. So, with this page I sorta took care of: Language, Number, Logic (some parts), Rythme (kinda), colour, Imagery, Spatial Awareness (I dont like how I chopped half his body off in the middle image though).

So did it work? I dunno, I havent tested myself. Maybe i should then! :D

Maybe to keep the brain active and in control, maybe when I have 3 per sheet, those images need to be of three different areas of the body, but each image connects to the other in some way.

(I might be onto something here, but not quite on the mark yet)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3411/006rj9.jpg

And here is the very little I have been working on in the past weeks (shame on me!)

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1818/007zv0.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1450/008bo0.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7349/009vp0.jpg

More will come.

batte812
08-05-2006, 01:28 PM
Hey man, thanks for taking a look in my sketchbook!

Some great anatomy studies you got here. You really dig deep into the matter.
The big challenge will be to apply this knowledge when you draw from life or from other references. I'm really interested to see how you pull that of.
Keep on going!

Rebeccak
08-05-2006, 01:30 PM
Fl3wk,

Very sorry to hear about the health crisis! :eek: Hope that you are now on the mend. :)


http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1450/008bo0.jpg

The arm studies on this last sheet are really focused and quite strong. I would really encourage you to do more studies in this vein.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rist
08-05-2006, 01:37 PM
I will play with that theory I have, mixing structured studies with fluent sketching. Right now what I have, i believe it seems quite stiff as though its trapped within the boxes I created for it (the first sketch). I need to have space, and to keep text to a minimum I think. Images are more powerful than text afterall, and I think I need to show this while I study.

THanks for stopping by, and yes, I am almost better :D apparently it was a bad tooth and sadly it will need to come out :( Oh well, gappy teeth carn't be too bad, but my voice may change a bit :eek: (I think they call it a lisp you develop?)

Rist
08-05-2006, 05:19 PM
With this one I was using the same way of doing my studies, but when going through the second image I felt a mental wall, a block, which always seems to come over me when I do anatomy. So maybe doing hogarths studies is the wrong way, I have hated copying afterall. So I will see what I can do in the coming weeks to see how I can still learn anatomy, but on a less formal level.

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/4849/012gi2.jpg

Sketching a head from the mastercopy heads thread. I liked how I wasn't directly copying, just gesturely copying.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/952/010ko5.jpg


Same with this. I liked how I didnt commit 20+ minutes doing it. Maybe thats the way all along, similar to how mantler told me to do things.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7290/011la6.jpg

Intervain
08-05-2006, 05:25 PM
wow - really nice studies. I especially like the skull anatomy :thumbsup:

Rist
08-05-2006, 06:34 PM
Thanks :D

I will need to limit myself on those kind of studies because they can be tedious, and because the end product as already been created by someone else, when I end my sketch it isn't as satisfying if the drawing was original. Same with other things from the anatomy books. I just need to organise how I do things now or I can burn myself out if I'm not careful.

Gabriel
08-06-2006, 06:19 PM
Hi Fl3wk
Thanks for the comments
I see what you mean about the rendering, that is a bunch of work and it looks great! Really amazing studies!
Somebody once gave me this advice and I found it very helpful, it might be of service to you too;

"Do copies every day, put the ref beside and then do studies of your own. Then compare your drawing to the ref. See what errors you did. Put the ref beside. Do the same drawing of your mind again. Compare. See the errors again. Do this until you make NO errors.
While your studying. Just study one bodypart at the same time. If you study hands, just do hands. if you study the forearm, just do forearm studies. You will learn more in shorter time."

Hope it helps

Bhairava =)

Rist
08-07-2006, 08:04 PM
Hi Fl3wk
Thanks for the comments
I see what you mean about the rendering, that is a bunch of work and it looks great! Really amazing studies!
Somebody once gave me this advice and I found it very helpful, it might be of service to you too;

"Do copies every day, put the ref beside and then do studies of your own. Then compare your drawing to the ref. See what errors you did. Put the ref beside. Do the same drawing of your mind again. Compare. See the errors again. Do this until you make NO errors.
While your studying. Just study one bodypart at the same time. If you study hands, just do hands. if you study the forearm, just do forearm studies. You will learn more in shorter time."

Hope it helps

Bhairava =)

That my friend, is very strong advice. I have some experience with some parts of it. Like with the arm, I kep studying it and studying it, and I could visualize what an arm looked like with all that studying. I could even name most muscles in the arm. I will try that quote out, maybe you have cracked something :D

Thanks for the lovely comments about my work :)

Rist
08-08-2006, 05:36 PM
I will be focusing on the arms until I master the look and feel of them, then I will move onto another limb.

http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/8459/013fx1.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9457/014nl2.jpg

Rist
08-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Last one today I'm afraid :D

Erm, about 20 minutes?

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/1185/015wa9.jpg

Rist
08-10-2006, 08:50 AM
Gradually starting to get more motivated :D

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7268/016kp7.jpg

CgIcecube
08-12-2006, 05:50 PM
Great advice:

Originally Posted by Bhairava7
Hi Fl3wk
Thanks for the comments
I see what you mean about the rendering, that is a bunch of work and it looks great! Really amazing studies!
Somebody once gave me this advice and I found it very helpful, it might be of service to you too;

"Do copies every day, put the ref beside and then do studies of your own. Then compare your drawing to the ref. See what errors you did. Put the ref beside. Do the same drawing of your mind again. Compare. See the errors again. Do this until you make NO errors.
While your studying. Just study one bodypart at the same time. If you study hands, just do hands. if you study the forearm, just do forearm studies. You will learn more in shorter time."

Hope it helps

Bhairava =)


I also follow it and i believe everybody should for a good learning process!..

Fl3wk: Itz a very good thing to write down name of muscles in our drawings...this way it stays longer in our minds:wise:
Cheers for your special focus on each limb:thumbsup:

Cyanid
08-12-2006, 06:49 PM
hi flewk,

this thread is going very well! nice studies!
the arm practices are very good! Just dropping by to give you a small piece of motivation hehe.

Rist
08-13-2006, 11:07 AM
CgIcecube: It just one more cortex skill, which enables increased memory. Thanks for the visit :D

Cyanid: Thanks, it6 used to be more active, but I had a slow period, but now things are catching me up again, especially with Uni around the corner.

I'm not sure if this design is the first, but I know Tony Buzans 'Mind Map' inspired me to develop it. I call this technique 'Anatomy Map' due to its sole perpose is to analyze the human form. I believe it has enhanced my way of remembering by a large margine. Hopefully it should work with most of my studies with a tweek here and there.

This is the first post I made on the new technique, ofcourse it seems a little out of date now:

I have been reading a book by Tony and Barry Buzan on Mind Maps. And I was just wondering, could I try and incorperate all the sences that someone uses to learn something? Here they are:

1: Language
- Words
- Symbols

2: Number

3: Logic
- Sequence
- Listing
- Linearity
- Analysis
- Time
- Association

4: Rhythm

5: Colour

6: Imagery
- Daydreaming
- Visualisation

7: Spatial Awareness
- Dimension
- Gestalt (whole picture)

Now, learning the anatomy is difficult enough, but if I tried to incorperate most of the above on each of my studies, I am sure to improve the way I learn by a milestone. But how to incorperate them?

Well, I will start off with my thoughts:

Language:

Label the items you are studying, and also maybe make symbols for the major groups. Also write about what there functions are and any other relavent information.

Number:

Number your studies, and even how many muscles are in that limb, same with bones.

Logic:

Do some timed exercises, keep the images in sequence (like the rythme), list all the labels as a Key with numbers linking to the relative part, keep things simple; like keep the drawings neat and in line (your trying to learn, not decorate). analyze your work at the end; looking at where the muscles meet and end, how they are shaped, ad how they work. The books says that the brain works from Associations, so try to connect each of the muscles to an activity that you use that muscle for, or those group of mucles.

Rhythm:

If I make my studies smaller, fit more on a single page, and also linking them (hand to forearm, forearm to upper arm), maybe that will be enough, and also maybe do the same with muscles and bones.

Colour:

Try to do your studies in colours, do one colour as the rough sketch, another to refine, and another to add dimension. Or you could colour code the different muscle groups.

Daydreaming:

After each page, or image, take a break, close your eyes and think of that image you just created, look at the forms, look at the names.

Visualisation:

This comes in the form of actually drawing the study.

Dimension:

Be aware of where each muscle is, within relation to each other.

Gestalt:

It says the brain hates unfinished things, so maybe try and do a faint outline of the other limbs around the study, that arent being focused on. Or atleast try to finish the study, not leaving it incomplete. instead of doing individual muscles in the arm, in detail, before you move on to the next, try to roughly sketch all the selected muscls, that way you have a 'whole' to work from.

Conclusion:

I believe this way would allow me to memorize what I am copying the first time which would give me time to study other areas. So it comes down to this thing called Quality vs. Quantity. If I use quality in this aspect, I believe it will work. I havent tried it yet due to my recent problems in life, but when I do, I am especting to see some kind of change. i will post the results in my Anatomy Topic. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3752755#post3752755)
So, what could you guys add to this?


And here is my second try at the technique, which this one was a success. Because its only studying, the materials I use does not matter a whole lot. I used A2 layout paper, some cheap felt tip pens from Partners for around 50p, and a black pen, oh and a pencil just to sketch each image out first. If I keep to this style for studying, then it leaves more room for personal work to be completed in the best possible way. So here is the Anatomy Map in its roughest form:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5315/017wf7.jpg

Rist
08-19-2006, 07:28 PM
Hello followers. I have another small update. I call it small because it is still not as juicy as when I was in college. Hopefully when I do start back I will have lots of Life Drawing to show you.

Here is the refined version of my Anatomy map. It took too long, so I think I should step back on the refining a little. Also I seem to fit less on this way, which might be a good thing as its not like the quick sketch studies, these are more specialised (using more of your Cerebral Cortex to improve memorisation).

Sorry for the blurred and unnatural colour, I had to use a camera, by hand.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3917/018pr6.jpg

Sketching in pencil first and then adding colour to add more Cortex skills. Just quite quick sketches really to fill up what I havent memorised already.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9159/020dj8.jpg

This one is a rendered arm study. I think rendered can also be useful because it makes me appreciate my work more, which adds to the motivation.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4013/019qq4.jpg


On my next update I will modify the Anatomy Map to include quickly done images, but of the quality between the above examples. I might do ONE more Anatomy Map for the arm before moving on (making sure i have mastered the arm, ofcourse).

I have also ordered some new anatomy books with a different style to Hogarths, so be expecting less sculptured figues, and more natural looking ones (cannot wait :D ).

shyamshriram
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Nice progress going on buddy :)
and thanx for sharing that info..i liked the way u r thinking :thumbsup: stick to it.


Keep working!

NR43
10-12-2006, 12:53 PM
Hey Flewk/Andrew

u there?
post up man ;)

Rist
10-13-2006, 12:38 PM
Hey Flewk/Andrew

u there?
post up man ;)

Sorry for my lack of activity, my PC's PSU broke on me a few weeks back and I had not gotten around to fixing it until this week. Also I just started my first year of Uni and I need to get used to all these modules and assignments they seem to love giving me. Hopefully when i am on steadier ground I will continue with my anatomy studies and post them up. I will also possibly post up some Uni work if they are okay with it.

My spare time when I created this topic:

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Now:

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NR43
10-13-2006, 01:39 PM
Oh I c
Sorry to hear about that.
well, good luck at uni and I hope you'll be able to create more of that lovely artwork of yours soon

CHROMOSOME
10-14-2006, 04:34 PM
You're studies show constant improvement, and a passion to understand the human form. Good job, and I hope you can continue your drawing studies with your other studies.

Rist
10-15-2006, 09:20 AM
Thank you for the motivation boost and appraisals. I will try and get time to scan in what I may not have shown yet today, and also maybe do some studies too.

I'm at the beginning of my projects at uni (2 creative ones, and a few ongoing ones, like graphics and written pieces), so its a little hectic with planning and organisation.

Rist
10-31-2006, 05:53 PM
A small update to try and get the ball rolling again. This is not anatomy, its some of my work in University, specifically my Graphics Module. These images will be reduced, max size of an A5 piece of paper, so these images may seem odd at this size, but may look more in-tune when the size is reduced for print.

This one I was inspired by the word 'sleepy'. I thought, what would someone who has not slept for a few weeks, and has blood shot eyes, see? How would the bed look to him/her if they looked at it at night. Would it look 'pure', beyond the boundery of blood shot eyes? Please critique, just through comments in, does not matter how harsh!

http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/5885/lackofsleepsleepyxo8.jpg

This one was done more quickly, so suggestions would be great! This one is inspired by the word 'education', and I thought that the Vitruvian Man would be a great symbol for education. If you have not noticed yet, these pages seem to have a 'sinister' theme to them (Halloween!).

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/7647/vitruvianmaneducationdj7.jpg

I borrowed a book from Uni library and it has expert tips for photoshop, and has a part where a concept artist explains how he works, so in the future I will be doing some painting done from the computer, and also may continue my anatomy studies. Those will be uploaded to here once I start it going.

aLoneCuzzo
11-22-2006, 06:00 PM
Long time no speak~ I'm tryin to get back on it too...

Great progress though

Rist
12-01-2006, 05:18 PM
Hmm, seems I went of topic over the past few millenia. Ah, I am back though...

Hi people, I have a new batch to show. I apologise for the low quality, I had to take photos in low lighting. I have tried to make them appear better, which in the end changed the overall look of some of them.

When I get back into the full swing of things I will set up my shoddy little scanner, that will take away the motion blur.

This one I did today. Doing those heads made me realise how rusty I have gotten...

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2761/sta60130copyih1.jpg

Did this a few week ago..

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6936/sta60131ro2.jpg

Cannot remember when I did this, but I don't think its shown here yet....

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2636/sta60132dw7.jpg

This too was done some time back, but never shown...

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/2494/sta60133hh3.jpg

This one was modified in photoshop quite extensively to try and make all the drawings show. I hope the torture didn't hurt the image totally...

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/805/sta60137copyqn0.jpg

Rist
12-01-2006, 05:19 PM
When this one appeared in photoshop, it was 'black', so its very much better than it was...

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8658/sta60138sp2.jpg

I was getting to like the effect I was applying to this one, so some was to fix lighting, and some was just playing around...

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/5227/sta60139sz9.jpg

Hmm, glossy paper hates cameras...

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/194/sta60140ji6.jpg

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1628/sta60141sf7.jpg

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/478/sta60142lk1.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1433/sta60143qu6.jpg

Some more to come...

Rebeccak
12-04-2006, 06:29 PM
Fl3wk,

Good to see you continuing your Anatomy studies - I look forward to more. :) Any chance you can scan your pieces vs. photographing them? Also I might recommend taking a picture with a flash.

Rist
12-05-2006, 03:39 PM
Fl3wk,

Good to see you continuing your Anatomy studies - I look forward to more. :) Any chance you can scan your pieces vs. photographing them? Also I might recommend taking a picture with a flash.

I will be installing a scanner today or tomorrow, so they will be of better quality.

Also, just got a better computer, so I will be converting to digital.

Rist
01-12-2007, 02:32 PM
Happy new years all! Its time for me to kick start my thread again. I have a new toy to try and help me out so hopefully I can keep things updated, I will be doing things in Digital now.

Here is an arm study. A little too rough as I am still on the learning curve with this toy of mine :D

I used a custom Brush that came about because of one of many of Zhu's tutorials. It tries to look like Oil Paint, but as a first time, i think I had difficulty getting things accurate. I will be experimenting for sometime to see what works best for studying from books.

Ref. Burne Hogarth
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1639/arm001ao2.jpg

This one is from the first Reb Review. Its still rusty, I may still work on its proportions and general detail.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1548/skull001rq0.jpg

Looking back at my previous works, it appears I wanted to learn each and every muscle and bone, and this is wrong. I need to know what they LOOK like, but not to know what it had for breakfast. I also need to know what it performs and how it does it. I was so focused on improving the layout on how to present these I forgot the reason in doing them :shrug:

So from now on I will be doing imagery only, no names, diagrams, or other fluff like that. I may mention what this or that part DOES, but that would be for the sake of comments to see if I am right or wrong.

Thanks to anyone who visits.

Rist
01-12-2007, 06:49 PM
<Update on the skull<>I am leaving highlights till the very end<>more tweaks needed<>advice welcome>

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5989/skull0011wv9.jpg

Rebeccak
01-12-2007, 07:04 PM
Fl3wk,

Good to see you starting digitally! :) I got your pm, my apologies, what I would recommend is asking David Rene / Corvax about settings since I use a pretty low end Wacom :) - he has the beginning Painting with Photoshop thread in the Tutorials area, if you post to that thread, I'm pretty sure he's subscribed. :)

Looking forward to seeing your progress!

Cheers

Rist
01-13-2007, 10:43 AM
Rebeccak: I was given some advice from NR43. I will be using digital alot more from now on as it destroys the scanning/photo step altogether. Also unlike before, I will be doing personal pieces too, not just copying from others.


My patience is all dried up with this one.

Tell me what ya think!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/8343/skull0012dr6.jpg

The ref. Click! (http://www.bio.psu.edu/people/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm)

I changed the ref into grayscale to work from.

I used a custom brush that has no shape dynamics, just Other dynamics.

NR43
01-13-2007, 11:49 AM
Hey Flewk
had commented on this one in the beginners lounge :)

Looking at the ref again one might say...
make sure the teeth are planted solidly in their place. The bone shows protrusions (is that a word? lol) where the teeth are stuck in the jaw (like you did on the bottom left - his bottom right)


keep practicing, the reward will be so worth it :D

Rist
01-13-2007, 12:27 PM
Hey Flewk
had commented on this one in the beginners lounge :)

Looking at the ref again one might say...
make sure the teeth are planted solidly in their place. The bone shows protrusions (is that a word? lol) where the teeth are stuck in the jaw (like you did on the bottom left - his bottom right)


keep practicing, the reward will be so worth it :D

Its not completely finished. But like I said, I am all dried up and really need to start something else. I could put more hours into it and make it as exact as possible, but would the gains be worth it? I have already studied the skull in the past (earlier in the sketchbook), I have already learned values in grayscale, and I can copy quite accurate so I can do what i see.

I think the next step is to go into colour. But as digital is a little different, I think the best i can do is to nail down how to blend and tone, and then go into the most important aspect in an image, colour.

Addition: I have been getting more and more curious about the human skeleton lately. Wondering "would I be much better off knowing what makes that part potrude, or this part have a...<insert curiousity>". I think i will do some 'whole' skeleton studies. They are hard, but if I try to take it all in, I think it may be benifitial.

Rist
01-13-2007, 09:06 PM
joined that Sketchathon thing. I am hoping this will make me as accustomed to using a tablet. And it will get me to know Painter a little more.

13 minutes: Oils, Bristle Oils 20

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9039/femaleqsph5.jpg

2 Minutes: Same as above. I like this one better for some reason...

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1456/maleqssr5.jpg

reaveress
01-16-2007, 04:56 PM
Wow you do your sketches in colour...and no lines! That is really wonderful and interesting to see. And in painter too...(never could get to terms with that programm)

Rist
01-18-2007, 07:26 PM
reaveress: It's my first time working with Painter, and as it was my first time with that workshop, I did not know how to procede, so I just dove in with an oil brush and started painting with the colours, I would think to myself "would I like to look at these colours if I was the viewer". Hopefully with your compliment in hand, I can push myself further. I find it difficult if I dont have people other than family and friends complimenting my work...

This one was painted using Tint. I disliked it personally. The blending effect would desaturate the colours, and the brush was too opaque and hard to control at times.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4830/maleqs001tw4.jpg

razz
01-18-2007, 08:03 PM
You could try to use Artrage for these kind of quickies. Would fit that style you have there. Give it a try. Extremely fun using it :) Has such a great traditional medium feel.

Rist
01-18-2007, 08:41 PM
You could try to use Artrage for these kind of quickies. Would fit that style you have there. Give it a try. Extremely fun using it :) Has such a great traditional medium feel.

I could, but to be honest I need to limit what programs I use I think. I want to start to develop a familiarity with both Photoshop and Painter. Photoshop for its texture use and layer application, and Painter for its traditional approach.

I may try Artrage out when I break up for the term (10 weeks away), but for now, what time I havw will be used in these two programs.

Thanks for the suggestion razz and for visiting this dark area of the 'Talk.

razz
01-19-2007, 11:24 AM
Good thinking. I don't like usig lots of programs too, but as I'm using only Painter, I don't mind trying out something else, like this ArtRage :)
You asked about the difference of Bridgeman and Hogarth. There indeed is a big difference. Hogarth has a stylised look to his figures. Yesterday I someone's opinionnot to use that book, because of Hogarth's style I guess.
The Bridgeman here, a whole different story. I liked his style and the book was very informative. He shows the attachments of muscles, which I really liked and haven't seen in Hogarth's book (maybe I'm wrong, I haven't read his books much, didn't really like that stylised look).
My decision would be Bridgeman. After Hogarth you would have to get rid of that stylised look in your own drawings. Though I heard that Hogarth's books had big influence on Marko Djurdjevic (I believe you know that guy), but yes, the same thing with getting rid of that stylised look.
Hope this helped you at least a bit to decide.

Rist
01-19-2007, 11:37 AM
It did actually.

now that I think of it, whenever I doodle I always doodle in that stylized way. Whenever I think of drawing a person, I draw them blocky like in Hogarths work, and something in my mind says its rubbish, so i scrap it and have a hard time going back and drawing another figure.

I think I will get one of his books.

Rist
01-19-2007, 05:59 PM
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6011/maleqs002mv1.jpg

Not sure I like this one. It does not feel like a gestural sketch, its more of an unfinished, badly designed piece in the making.

Rist
01-20-2007, 10:05 AM
DUMPIDUMPIDUMP

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4134/femaleqs0021ai.jpg

Rist
01-20-2007, 11:26 AM
I'm on a little frenzy! Photoshopped.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4486/maleqs0035mq.jpg

Rist
01-21-2007, 03:43 PM
This was hard, especially when I dont really have a set way of going about it. I went through the steps that are needed for a Digital Painting, but I felt I was missing things.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8066/head0016qr.jpg

CyborgJA
01-21-2007, 10:20 PM
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4830/maleqs001tw4.jpg



Well, I'm here to learn anatomy too so I do not feel so 'expert' to give you any useful comment but man, you SURELY have got a good taste choosing your references :drool:

Rist
03-15-2007, 08:33 AM
I just wanted to mention, I am not 'slacking' on anatomy at this time, in fact I am working as hard as ever. I have learned almost the whole skeleton, memorised, mastered, fa-neto! And it is all thanks to The Structure of Man (http://the-structure-of-man.blogspot.com/). I ordered the 5 DVD's a few weeks ago and been watching them since. I am on tutorial 57.

I will possible upload them soon, or I might wait until I have completed the skeleton tutorials and upload them all at once. I do not mind about 'bumping' my thread by uploading in increments, so chances are when I do do it, it will be all at once.

Thanks for visiting CyborgJA, i may have looked like that if I carried on going to the gym :D

Oh and also I have ordered a bundle of Gnomon DVD's, so you will see those uploaded in the coming months. I was also thinking of taking up Maya as the university has it, but I do not know if it would be too much to learn at this time.

EDIT: I felt guilty for posting without work. Here is a head study done in the new Painter 10! Its my first painting in that software, i regard this one as a sketch as I finished it in under 20 minutes.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2598/head001ej1.jpg

CyborgJA
03-16-2007, 07:56 AM
Oh well, there's already a different a more pro approach to the face.

Give us an ack were the tutt will be online !


Serena

Rist
03-17-2007, 09:16 AM
CyborgJA: Thanks, encuragements are always welcome. Although the perfectionist side of me keeps gnawing at my mind saying the piece is rubbish.

Here is one painting I was not going to show, for several reasons:

- Unfinished
- Not anatomy
- Bag of crap

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1772/cupfd2.jpg

It was a rendering exercise and also one to get used to using the wacom.

wbeeler
03-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Hey Fl3wk,

I was just perusing your stuff and I wanted to say that I really thought you were doing a great job. I too, am studying Hogarth's book and I like a lot of what I see with your studies of him. Really good job, keep it up!

~Will

Rebeccak
03-17-2007, 11:38 PM
Fl3wk,

The ellipses are off, but this is not crap. :) I quite like the handle and the brushstrokes. I don't recall if you've done the apple / skull grayscale exercise digitally, but if not, I highly recommend it. Links to the tuts are in the Anatomy Forum Guide (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=177&t=473867).

Looking forward to more! :)

Rist
03-18-2007, 10:18 AM
wbeeler: I burned myself out and I knwo why. With studies you are required to learn a great deal about a great deal, and its crazy to add to this my worrying about tonal gradiation and colour. What i am doing now is far better, I am working from Structure of Man, and now that I have my scanner hooked up I may scan them in. They aren't too pretty, but for me the importance is the knowledge I gain through each study.

Rebeccak: Hi Reb. The elipse you speak of is not one apparently, its a funny shaped cup with a contoured square top, then gradually forms a, elipse at the bottom. I think I did it quite accurate, so what you see is almost what it was. As for the grayscale ecxersice, I did the skeleton one, which helped a lot.

I am now watching the Gnomon DVD's to enhance my understanding on perspective, matte/shiny shaded objects, and much more, including Visual story telling. Going to be a fun year! :D

And also I will carry on with the Structure of Man, which I am almost complete with the skeleton. Problem is, he has told me to sketch in a certain style (not the pen holding way), and its real new and hard to get to grips with (pardon the pun).

I'm also going to take up Matte painting soon, just to see what it is like. Would it be possible to show it here?

wbeeler
03-18-2007, 12:49 PM
I totally understand the 'burning out' issue. I've definitely gone through that. I'm currently attending school for art, and they're really roughing me up, so to speak, when it comes to drawing and studying. That's good to hear that you're still gung-ho about art. ttyl

Rebeccak
03-18-2007, 03:22 PM
Fl3wk,

Feel free to show whatever you like here. :) It will be cool to see your matte painting studies. Check out the work of Matellis, who does some beautiful matte paintings and who has a sketchbook here. And, of course, there's the matte painting forum, full of useful resources. :)

Rist
03-18-2007, 08:44 PM
Hey there!

Rebeccak: Thanks, I will post them once I get the time to start making them. Would any image do for the thing to add to? I would suspect so, as long as the resolution is over 1000 and the scene is right for the intentions. How about RAW vs JPEG? It shouldn't matter to someone who is just testing the waters, right? I do have a friend with a lovely expensive camera that I could use, maybe I should pester him....

But anways, thanks to the Gnomon DVD's, I am starting to being a lot less worrisome over what I create. Here was a quick sketch initially that developed. At first it was just a play around where I created a cannon burried under some Balls, on a little rocky landmass. But it soon become a strange shape where I could play with it. Here is the result. I was aiming for nothing, but I did try to make it s a snow sports person, possibly rolling down the hill on skies or a board. The colours were just tests. Was fun I would have to admit. However I was having a fight with the software, Painter wouldn't let me paint on other layers but the canvas layer! Bloody stupid thing...

Anyway, it took 30 minutes, plus 10 for the initial cannon and balls. Used Captured Bristles + Pencil.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7782/snowboarderii9.jpg

Rist
03-18-2007, 09:24 PM
Here is another 30 minute one. With this I first visualised a monk on a peak, but then it transformed to a Fatman on a cloud, then an angel flying, then a mermaid being attacked by a shark.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1349/mermaidattackedbysharkpp7.jpg

SoonI am going to have to do some proper renders :eek:

Rist
03-18-2007, 10:48 PM
So here are the rough studies. The reason I seem to have so many mistakes is because I am sketching and listening at the same time and doing it in real time, so I couldnt erase problems.

Also they may not be in order.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9655/039ls6.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8325/038re3.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5089/037le7.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5126/0366jw6.jpg



http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/305/034os6.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8255/033ck7.jpg

Rist
03-18-2007, 10:55 PM
more

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9030/032ie4.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7624/031oq6.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/416/030by5.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8035/029am9.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5025/028jq2.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5329/027ql1.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2544/026mb5.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8125/025rk0.jpg

I will post more another time. Getting late.

Rist
03-21-2007, 01:28 PM
Sorry for the delay, schedules could not be broken.


http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8408/024jc5.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4479/023ul1.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/464/022ut8.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/3243/021bz2.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9042/020to1.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8610/019bh0.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1800/018iv6.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9582/017ni6.jpg

Rist
03-21-2007, 01:48 PM
and more...

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/268/016zw8.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6844/015na3.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/4586/014ts5.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/3223/013ww5.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/3757/012gn1.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/3057/011at0.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1941/010eo9.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7931/009be8.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8938/008zp2.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6681/007cr5.jpg

Rist
03-21-2007, 01:51 PM
....aaand more....

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/3089/006pm7.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7185/005sl3.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1183/004gy0.jpg

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6878/003zu3.jpg


http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8824/002hu9.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/392/001kh0.jpg

Rist
03-21-2007, 04:16 PM
I am currently working on a Matte Painting, so I am hoping some of you could post some feedback and be as blunt as possible, with reason of course. Will be posted tonight I am assuming.

Rist
03-21-2007, 05:48 PM
Here is my very first time Matte Painting. An organic Hermits home on the beach.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2244/walkbeachcliffwa4zo3.jpg

SpiritDreamer
03-22-2007, 11:11 AM
Hi...Andrew...:thumbsup:

Really like what you are doing with your imagination in the matte painting...looks like a great place to live..:)
I live right across the street from the beach in Boston, and in the summer, I am always finding pieces of odd shaped driftwood and old snail shells that have been weathered and eroded, exposing the interior spiral of the shell..When looked at closely, stood upright, and buried part way in the sand, i'm always seeing the perfect little house, with a nice view from the room at the top of the spiral staircase inside of the snail shell. I'm always making these tiny strutures from what has washed up on the beech, and when looked at close up, from eye level, against the horizon, they are fantastic little imaginings..The PERFECT DREAM HOUSE...:bounce:
You might try creating something in a simaler manner, then photografting it into a wide angle vista scene...just another way of experimenting and strenghtening your imagination, while exploring the realm and possibilities of matte painting..:)
It's nice to see the morphing taking place in the cannon and balls idea ..funny how the imagination kicks in, and creates what was not there to begin with,...or was it there all along, and just waiting for you to see it...:scream:
I also like all of those sketchbook drawings...As long as you have learned from doing them, then they are a good thing, and well worth the time and effort..:thumbsup:
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK AND PROGRESS, AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHERE YOUR IMAGINATION TAKES YOU IN YOUR MATTE PAINTING EXPERIMENTS AND EXPLORATIONS...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

NR43
03-22-2007, 12:04 PM
Hey Flewk

great to see your hard work on anatomy!

about the matte painting ... did you use any tutorials or guides?
I've no idea how they do mattepaintings but it looks very interesting actually

Rist
03-22-2007, 04:35 PM
SpiritDreamer: I am currently studying things that are outside art and anatomy. One is Sea life, which I brought back from the library and currently doing studies from. Another are fossils, not very helpful, but any knowledge is good for a pre-production film/game artist, which i hope to be some day.

The Videos I have been watching (which is where the sketches came from) has been exceptionally good. Sadly this is the only means of learning the anatomy the best way as I do not know where to go for a life drawing class, and I do not find sketching people in a cafe very helpful.

I am still working on the matte painting above, and getting pointers from exceptional artists in teh Matte painting foorum. I am hoping to get better in this area as I see myself going more towards enviroments ratehr than just characters. Its acy really hard to try and get all the lighting perfect, reallistic but not too many detailed objects, and the perspective in bothe the scenes horizon and also the way objects fade into the distance.

Thank you for coming by, it really encourages me to post here.

NR43: I own a Gnomon DVD by Dusso, Fundementals of Matte Painting. Other than that I just jumped right in with the knowledge I already have of how to use Photoshop and how lighting works.

There is a lot yet to do to that piece before I am happy with it. The Matte Painting forum is useful, however it could be more wise to visit a specialised Matte painting forum, as more people and inspiration will be there.

CyborgJA
04-09-2007, 06:27 PM
Uhm, which kind of pencil are you using now to create these sketches?

Rist
04-10-2007, 08:07 AM
CyborgJA: Its okay now, I changed the pencil lead to a 2H for the rough layout and then a 2B to define the details, and a possible 6B for the dark areas. I was using a 4B but felt it was too strong for studies. I have actually now completed the whole 178 Videos from Structure of Man. I will upload all the images soon.

Rist
04-14-2007, 04:33 PM
From now on I will post only those images I feel are presentable to the public. Reasons are not because I am ashamed of my roughs, more of a time-saver.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1456/87031904db0.jpg



http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4918/13er4.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4766/10vy9.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2334/26ck8.jpg

Rist
04-15-2007, 05:23 PM
Hi guys. Here is a quick sketch to see how much I know about the lower-body skeleton.

No reference was used.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9097/skeleton001sw3.jpg

Also here is my progress on the TCAFNE002:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/715/owlman1gz6.jpg

Rist
04-16-2007, 10:49 AM
Taking Zhu's informal advice, I am starting to play with colours. I was at the dentist on friday and I just wondered what on earth the detist saw when he was examining me! Well this is what I think he saw:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9633/dentistrx0.jpg

And no, I wasn't wearing lipstick.

Rist
04-16-2007, 11:55 AM
I did not know whether to show this one. It was just completely at random and I guess a colour explosion as I just felt like I needed to use strong Prismatic colours.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3341/wackyj3.jpg

Rist
04-16-2007, 06:34 PM
The above one's bright aint it!

Here is one I just did that has been done from the mind. I still need to learn the muscles for the forearm and the legs. Was roughly done, once I have gotten to a satisfactory level I will start to illustrate things.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7206/skeleton2tl0.png

NR43
04-17-2007, 10:02 AM
These consistent studies will surely pay off

Once everything is in the long term memory you are ready to fly :D

Rist
04-18-2007, 12:36 PM
-+These consistent studies will surely pay off

Once everything is in the long term memory you are ready to fly :D

I'm getting to the point where I can start doing illustrations with confidence, even if my anatomy studies are not complete. Really for me these anatomy studies were just to build up my confidence; confidence really is only lacking when you have scarce knowledge of the thing you lack confidence in. Once I have studied the legs and the forearm again I will be ready.

As for now, I am in the character workshop. Here is an update on my owlman:

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6697/owlanatomyae8.jpg

Rist
04-20-2007, 05:26 PM
Started on a head study. I am trying to fully render it. I am not using the eye dropper tool and not the grids either. Fixated on the height for so long I neglected the width of the head. I will fix the width and other obvious mistakes before detailing. This is only a test. It is to test whether I need to use grids and whether I have the eye to not use the dropper.

Comments on mistakes and stuff is always welcome in my thread.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/760/firstpo8.jpg

Rist
04-26-2007, 10:22 AM
Well here is a few more images:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5369/birdyowlrenderks9.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4968/first2he2.jpg

SpiritDreamer
04-26-2007, 11:44 AM
Hi...Andrew...:)

Fantastic job so far on that head study that you just posted..:thumbsup:
I may be a little old fashioned when it comes to certain things , like the color picker/grabber...I refuse to use it myself..takes all of the fun and challenge out of painting for me. I can't help but think that it is cheating the people who use it. Cheating them out of the pleasure of discovering what color is all about, which is one of the greatest pleasures about painting, for me anyway.:)
Really looking forward to seeing your experiments with color.You may not end up with an exact match to the original, but you will be honestly able to say in the end that they are your colors, which will be much more satisfying to you I think,... and who knows, your colors may end up being better than the original that you are studying from.:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rist
04-26-2007, 02:24 PM
Hey Glenn! It is frustrating and difficult this colour thing! At times it just makes me not care about a piece no more. I may just be impatient and want the result 'NOW'. I will still carry on and see if I can stick it out. The piece is done above, I want to try a new image.

Here is an update of my character. I am bored now with this so I am keeping it as this. Hopefully the more I use the computer to make art and the more I do art in general the more patience I will gain and the less boring it will become.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5281/birdyowlrenderkj2.jpg

lilirious
04-26-2007, 03:44 PM
Hi Fl3wk

I think your studies are very cool, and it's great to see how much one can learn and improve by doing studies like yours. Keep it up :D

Rist
04-26-2007, 09:53 PM
Hi Fl3wk

I think your studies are very cool, and it's great to see how much one can learn and improve by doing studies like yours. Keep it up :D

Thanks! I do not really know any other way to improve other than this if I want to be good at drawing. The only other way would be life drawing, which I have no access to.

Another Hogarth leg study:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4774/leg03pw3.jpg

Rebeccak
04-26-2007, 09:53 PM
Fl3wk,

Great to see your level of committment here. :) With respect to your digital studies, I really think you would benefit most by concentrating on grayscale studies for the time being - until you truly feel that you have mastered values. Color really accomplishes very little if the drawing and value structure don't make sense. Grayscale your image, zoom far out and see if it reads from a 'distance'. Build the house on a solid foundation, and it will stand up to higher winds. ;)

Cheers

Rist
04-27-2007, 07:23 AM
Here is a value test I did. What I did was study froma colour study and painted in grayscale. What came out was totally out of wack. I now know how much I need to work on my values.

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8904/012gz7.jpg

Rist
04-27-2007, 09:21 AM
Here is the WIP for the value study. I will be detailing now.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7002/02hy0.jpg

NR43
04-27-2007, 09:28 AM
What I did was study froma colour study and painted in grayscale

That's the way to do it! (remember Riven Phoenix saying we remember best when we invent ourselves)
And a great effort it is in my opinion. I'm not watching the ref and I'm sure you'll be seeing things that need tweaking here and there. But doing these are really good for boosting up your skillz in no time! Rebecca's right (again) :)

Rist
04-27-2007, 12:06 PM
I will try another colour to grayscale next time, thanks for stopping by.

Update:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5714/021fl0.jpg

Rebeccak
04-27-2007, 01:00 PM
Heya,

This last grayscale piece is really starting to come together! :) Keep pushing these...I think you're on the right track now.

Cheers!

Rist
04-29-2007, 06:59 PM
I just tried the apple challenge:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5674/appletest1kd9.jpg

Rebeccak
04-30-2007, 01:35 AM
Fantastic to see you working on this exercise - it's definitely the right direction in which to go. One thing I might recommend with respect to this exercise is to increase the value range - from lightest light to darkest dark - and to do so manually (vs. using the sliders). Try to get a near white and a near black somewhere in the composition - without overusing either pure black or pure white. After you have created more value range, I recommend cleaning the edges up just a bit - not too much - and refining the piece, just to see how far you can go in terms of shading. After that, you might try another view of the skull (there are other skull references images in the Shading thread - alternately, you can use your own reference).

Looking forward to more!

Rist
05-01-2007, 11:35 AM
Fantastic to see you working on this exercise - it's definitely the right direction in which to go. One thing I might recommend with respect to this exercise is to increase the value range - from lightest light to darkest dark - and to do so manually (vs. using the sliders). Try to get a near white and a near black somewhere in the composition - without overusing either pure black or pure white. After you have created more value range, I recommend cleaning the edges up just a bit - not too much - and refining the piece, just to see how far you can go in terms of shading. After that, you might try another view of the skull (there are other skull references images in the Shading thread - alternately, you can use your own reference).

Looking forward to more!

Hi! I just read the whole of the posts you made over there and it seems I fell into the pitfall of creating an apple rather than a skull! Personally I do not mind, I learned a great deal on this alone.

SpiritDreamer
05-01-2007, 12:06 PM
HEY...Andrew...LOL :scream: ....You had me worried there for a moment, ..I read that post of yours yesterday, and thought that I was loseing it..:scream:
Nice apple...can't wait to see your skull...MAYBE PUT AN APPLE IN IT'S MOUTH...LOL :scream: :)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
05-01-2007, 12:35 PM
Hi! I just read the whole of the posts you made over there and it seems I fell into the pitfall of creating an apple rather than a skull! Personally I do not mind, I learned a great deal on this alone.
Lol, no worries at all - this is the first exercise I think folks should do anyway, then the skull. The main idea is just to practice values - so it really doesn't matter which object you shade, and it makes sense to start with the simpler object. Looking forward to the skull! :)

Rist
05-01-2007, 01:55 PM
HEY...Andrew...LOL :scream: ....You had me worried there for a moment, ..I read that post of yours yesterday, and thought that I was loseing it..:scream:
Nice apple...can't wait to see your skull...MAYBE PUT AN APPLE IN IT'S MOUTH...LOL :scream: :)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

That is a great idea! I may think of having that as my insignia.

I am using a different technique for this in that I am using a feathered brush instead of a hard edge. It really helps with blending. I may still need to harden the brush for sharper edges as it seems a little too soft in places.

WIP:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7716/skullstudyxt0.jpg

SpiritDreamer
05-01-2007, 02:20 PM
HEY...Andrew..:thumbsup: .....That looks great so far...really like the flowered background idea also...nice contrast to the skull...life and death kind of concept...nice ...:applause: .....Looking forward to seeing it when it is done...should be great I think..:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rist
06-03-2007, 03:50 PM
Glenn: Thanks :thumbsup:


Been awhile, been trying to get back into drawing. I feel I am passed the limbs stage and should move onto the full body gesture (concentrating just on limbs may have made me bored too i think). I hope to get this thread back on its feet again, no promises though! :D

I am using my new camera instead of a scanner as it yields more pixels (<3 Cannon). Just tell me if the images need improving, i have various ways to clean it up before showing.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6492/fullbody01md5.jpg

nelchee
06-03-2007, 04:23 PM
nice skull WIP ;)

about the sketch photo, I'd adjust the levels a bit (in Photoshop, ctrl+L, and pull the right slider inward until whites are really white). cameras tend to darken images if the background is white.

Rist
06-03-2007, 04:28 PM
nice skull WIP ;)

about the sketch photo, I'd adjust the levels a bit (in Photoshop, ctrl+L, and pull the right slider inward until whites are really white). cameras tend to darken images if the background is white.

Yeah, it was darker than this as I turned off flash and adjusted not with Levels but Curves. Next time I will use Levels as that should be much better suited to Value balance.

Thanks for stopping by :D

Rist
06-23-2007, 06:07 PM
Master Study: This has taken me the longest yet. What i am trying to achieve is 'teaching' myself to be patient. Currently i cannot go 3 hours without quiting for the day, and if I wish to persue a career in this profession i need to start working for longer hours per day. I do take breaks, its more of a reluctance to work than anything. This was mainly for values, my main challenge is colour.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2105/untitled22xb3.jpg

NR43
06-23-2007, 07:09 PM
wonderful update Flewk
I know what you're talking about when you say you can't work for long. I have the same issue, cannot seem to be able to concentrate for very long...

Rist
06-23-2007, 09:01 PM
wonderful update Flewk
I know what you're talking about when you say you can't work for long. I have the same issue, cannot seem to be able to concentrate for very long...

Bah, what a wicked world this is! eh?

Thanks for dropping by as always :D

From now on I will be updating with everything I do digital.

To prove that here is a quick sketch of a Bridgman, testing out a brush in Painter X (Charcoal, yack, must be how I am using it, or the varient!).

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4472/headao0.jpg

NR43
06-24-2007, 06:57 AM
A good way to test the behaviour of a brush in Painter is to use the brush tracking tool (Edit -> Preferences -> Brush Tracking

Try different approaches in the brush tracker before applying some strokes on a canvas... play with it...

I think it's important because some brushes work better when using them very delicately, while others are optimal for working quick...

Let us know what you think about the brush tracking tool please :)

Rist
06-24-2007, 09:25 AM
Thanks NR43.

Although I already knew about that feature I never used it past the first initial set-up. Just been playing with it and created this in the process.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2268/desertwalknj2.jpg

Rist
06-24-2007, 10:10 AM
I know these aren't figurative, but all are from the 'sketchbook' :P

This is another Brush test, one for Pastels. Nice medium, I like the blending oppotunities.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9438/desertmoundil2.jpg

LisandraN
06-24-2007, 11:08 AM
Very nice work on the master copy. Who was the original piece by? I have a hard time with colors, as well - but I think that being able to render values well is half the battle!

Rist
06-24-2007, 11:29 AM
Very nice work on the master copy. Who was the original piece by? I have a hard time with colors, as well - but I think that being able to render values well is half the battle!


Hi and welcome to the forums/thread! The original is Rembrandt. It took some time and ' patience to do, but I 'almost' got there! I still feel I could have fixed some areas, but 6+ hours on just a grayscale was a little long.

A strange 'Usteady Ink pen' Brush:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9329/head2us1.jpg

Rist
06-24-2007, 12:10 PM
Here is the paint over. Did not take long as I just used the eye dropper. I was suprised at how many patches of colour a human face has.

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/2534/untitled23ed7.jpg

NR43
06-24-2007, 06:08 PM
Great job on those colors
Now do it again but without using the dropper and by eyeballing the colors ;)

Rist
06-24-2007, 06:30 PM
Great job on those colors
Now do it again but without using the dropper and by eyeballing the colors ;)

I will try that sometime!

Here is my next task. This will take longer due to schedule being booked up.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/2281/sargentvc7.jpg

Rist
06-26-2007, 10:27 PM
Here is my first phase of an illustration I am doing.

This is how I do things:

Very rough sketch to see ideas flowing (do not EVER use a mindmap unless I have no ideas at all. I never really use thumbnails, but I plan to start!).

Render the shapes so they are more readable.

Render where the lighting will go.

Check anatomy and clothing/gear.

Check enviroment.

Check lighting again.

Start rendering the main figure in black and white to get the values correct (I split the values and colour up as it seems more logical).

Start rendering the secondary figure and then the tertiary figure, in order of importance. Making sure to give less detail each time. I believe the more detail a thing as, the more interesting it is, so in oder for me to guide the viewer I need to control the detail.

Check the background, making sure there are three levels, back fore and mid.

Check all shadows to make sure the lighting is readable, then add specular lighting where needed and also ambient lighting.

Make sure texture on the materials are correct, make sure the figures that are alive and have flesh read as alive and have flesh.

Check overall composition, just to make sure thins are working as planned.

Then finish up and also possibly use the adjustments to see if things could be improved.

This is what I 'think' I will do things, if anyone has suggestions I am all ears :)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5082/skyfishermanqp9.jpg

CyborgJA
06-27-2007, 09:38 AM
Well I want to see all the "tasks" checked eh !

These are two great starts, can't wait to see more !

Rist
06-27-2007, 09:58 PM
Thank you Serena. I added more to the bottom image today but struggled with anatomy, so I jumped into my hogarth books and produced the below in the allocated time. I will start on the first one in the morning before work.

Thanks for dropping by :D

There are mistakes in this one, not fixed niether :bounce:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8440/skyfisherman1rl6.jpg

And this is what I did to try and improve my knowledge in the area I was having difficulty with, of course if I did life drawing this would not be as bad :argh: :banghead:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5475/armnq4.jpg

CyborgJA
06-28-2007, 07:32 AM
Oh well the muscles' knowledge is clear.. I think it's only a matter of proportions now :thumbsup:

Why don't you use a model? It helps a lot !

Rist
06-28-2007, 07:52 AM
The only place I can use a model is at the local Art Gallery, and the next 10 week session (1 day a week, oh yay!) is in september! The issue is in september I have my Uni AND an Online course; but I am confident I will put some time into a life model too.

My uni kinda sucks a$$ :banghead:

Rist
08-11-2007, 02:41 PM
The only place I can use a model is at the local Art Gallery, and the next 10 week session (1 day a week, oh yay!) is in september! The issue is in september I have my Uni AND an Online course; but I am confident I will put some time into a life model too.

My uni kinda sucks a$$ :banghead:

I rip my hair out on the littlest things!

But anyhow, here is an update, a text based one! :D

I started an online school on tuesday and wish to show my progress in my online sketchbook. It will take me a little while to see what order I should start showing my progress. Most is about the human figure, one or two might not be, but I doubt it from what i have seen thus far. This (http://schoolism.com/) is the online school, being instructed by Bobby Chiu!

NR43
08-11-2007, 03:19 PM
Wow you're in schoolism??
I'm so jealous now :drool:

Anyway,
I'm really looking forward to seeing your work from there!
Good luck and have fun!

Rist
08-11-2007, 03:39 PM
Wow you're in schoolism??
I'm so jealous now :drool:

Anyway,
I'm really looking forward to seeing your work from there!
Good luck and have fun!

So you should be :twisted: Its a great course with a great teacher.

Rist
08-11-2007, 03:40 PM
Taken down.

Rist
08-11-2007, 03:40 PM
Here is the first assignment, second try.


http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5737/010jp9.jpg

SpiritDreamer
08-11-2007, 03:55 PM
HEY ...Andrew....:thumbsup:

GREAT SEEING THOSE EXPERIMENTS ...KEEP EXPLORING, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL BE UNDER THAT NEXT ROCK THAT YOU OVERTURN...OR IS IT TURN OVER...:scream: :)
GREAT PROGRESS HAPPENING IN YOUR THREAD...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Gisaiagami
08-11-2007, 09:49 PM
hi nice works
excellent studys

Rist
08-12-2007, 10:27 AM
HEY ...Andrew....:thumbsup:

GREAT SEEING THOSE EXPERIMENTS ...KEEP EXPLORING, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL BE UNDER THAT NEXT ROCK THAT YOU OVERTURN...OR IS IT TURN OVER...:scream: :)
GREAT PROGRESS HAPPENING IN YOUR THREAD...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

I always have issues with experimenting too much. Like for instance I have hardly used custom brushes in photoshop, where as I know the program inside-out.

Thanks for the warm words, come back soon :D

hi nice works
excellent studys

Thanks :)

CyborgJA
08-12-2007, 11:27 AM
Well I think you are making big improvements !

Can't wait to see more !

Rist
08-12-2007, 03:36 PM
Well I think you are making big improvements !

Can't wait to see more !

Your wish is my command! Oh, and thanks :buttrock:


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/516/009mj3.jpg

Thanks for viewing! Comments and Critiques are welcome!

CyborgJA
08-13-2007, 01:02 PM
Too gentle !

Well I think you lost a little bit of volume in image number 6 cause - in my opinion- you diffused too much the white over his skin. From what I can see you have to describe a black man, and black skin doesn't have the same value of white one. (I mean...it's darker...that's the reason why it's called "black" >_> instead of "white"). So, into your approach you have to find its own maximum and minimum value that, following a good rule, never have to be pure white and pure black.

You know I'm a dummy with english so see these images : put them in greyscale and see the difference in values and how pure lights are limited and well defined over a wet skin

http://www.essentials4fitness.com/images/trainers/bolo300x360.jpg


http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/102016/2/istockphoto_102016_body_builder.jpg


See you soon :thumbsup:

Rist
08-13-2007, 05:45 PM
The deadline is tomorrow so i think the last posted will be my final and I will start preparing for the next assignment, which you guys will hear of :D

Rist
08-19-2007, 01:36 PM
Finally finished my second assignment. The colouring is mine, so any crits should go towards that and not the actual sketch.

Sketch is credited to Bobby Chiu.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/159/thestand1cl0.jpg

Rist
08-19-2007, 04:47 PM
Here is my final draft. The only things that need changing are the colours. Before I send it in does anyone have any advice?

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7818/thestand3vb5.jpg

rdsarna
08-19-2007, 04:56 PM
Hey Andrew!
Beautiful piece.....I really like the colouring......the folds on the clothes are realistic.....other than that I don't know much about colours so can't critique much....

keep it up...:thumbsup:
Ratul

SpiritDreamer
08-19-2007, 05:13 PM
Hi...Andrew..:)

You might try the use of some minimal light in the black silhouette areas.
Those areas look totally flat and cut out, as compared to rest of the lighting in the piece..unless of course that is the look that you are going for..:) The use of minimal light in those flat black silhouette areas might add the dimention of volume that is lacking in those areas at the moment, and might give the piece unity as far as the lighting goes..JUST A PASSING THOUGHT..:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rist
08-20-2007, 10:02 AM
rdsarna The folds are Bobby's work, cannot take credit for that ;) The coplouring is mine, thanks! :D

SpiritDreamer I do know what you mean, it would probably give it a more dramatic look. But I was following the instructor throughout. The only colour choices I made was the purple shirt on the front guy and to make the old guys shirt slightly faded.