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demented
05-11-2006, 08:51 PM
Hey

New nya, thought I should immediately start an anatomy thread nya. Still as green as a fig with anatomy and drawing overall, so anything constructive would be thoroughly appreciated!

10 minute charcoal sketches:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7969/charcoalquickiescopy5km.jpg

A study on some of DoctorBone's work:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3303/tribute8jg.jpg

Crits and comments would be appreciated!!

- d.

demented
05-12-2006, 07:32 PM
Hey peeps

probing character design some - get to do it with marker. this one might undergo some more work, maybe i'll start new ones. any tips welcome!

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4852/marmaking8ji.jpg

Crits and comment would be appreciated!

- d.

Rebeccak
05-12-2006, 07:52 PM
Hi demented,

It's great to see you here! Welcome aboard. :) Right now I am out of town with only brief internet access. I will be back around Sunday, and will be catching up on everything then. :)

In the meantime, it would be great if you might copy and paste the URL of your images into the yellow / sun / mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor. That way everyone can see your images without having to click on the link. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
05-12-2006, 08:01 PM
thanx Rebecca - apologies for that; misunderstood the image posting tutorial, and for some reason on my computer i have to click to see... probably has something to do with my settings...

thanx for dropping by so long!

EDIT: k, fixed them up, and fixed up my options too. Now I can see.

- d.

demented
05-13-2006, 12:27 PM
Did these poses today, using markers and pastel pencils. Once again inspired by DoctorBone's work. Trying to work on line and form, espeically describing form with line. Also trying to make them look more alive, rather than lively. Any crits would be appreciated!

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5189/wa6gz.jpg

C&C appreciated - thanx for looking!

- d.

razz
05-13-2006, 07:48 PM
I like DoctorBone's work too. It inspires a lot. You're doing a great job on those sketches. DoctorBone's inspiration is seen well in them =] And it's very good that you're learning from his work. Keep posting, I want to see more. Much more!!!

SpiritDreamer
05-13-2006, 10:19 PM
HEY...Demented...:)

LIKE those studies your doing.....the bones ones are GREAT, and the charcoals aren't too
shabby either....your sense of form and flow is really nice...keep going, POST MORE...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
05-15-2006, 01:49 PM
Hey peeps

razz: thnx dude - I do however find myself slipping into his style when I really want to develop a distinct style. That said, I learned quite a lot by drawing from his work. thanx for dropping by man!

SpiritDreamer: thanx man - truly appreciated. really glad to hear you're seeing some form and flow - it's that which I'm working on right nya too.

k, did a master study on one of Michelangelo's studies - alot harder than I thought, as is evident in the drawing. also did a figure - both are 1 hour each.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3601/michelangelo5gi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8573/figure3xl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C&C always appreciated - crits are art's coffees - bittersweet and keeps me going.

cheers,

- d.

DigitalSol
05-15-2006, 03:50 PM
Hi demented, Really enjoy reading your thread, I specially lliked the studies in yellow and orange, they are beautiful

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 05:03 PM
demented,

It's great to see your work, and your participation in the forum! Your comments to others' threads is always appreciated. :)

One thing I think you should watch out for is making your figures look a bit chicken~like: small upper torsos, large lower torsos, and long, skinny limbs. I think you are a great candidate to do more Master Copies, resources for which can be found here (as well as elsewhere):

Master Copy Resources (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354836)

I'd love to see you do more Michelangelo studies as well as studies from other High Renaissance masters. :)

Greatly looking forward to seeing your progress!

EDIT: No problem, I removed your other thread as requested. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
05-15-2006, 09:09 PM
Hey Rebecca

You've created a monster - this forum is great. Big thanx. I try to get round others' thread as often as I always learn more than I teach. Upon that teaching is the best way to learn!

Hehe - the chicken are Mentlers-gone-wrong. Somehow he just manages to make something like that look completely real, or somehow I manage to make those figures look like roadkills lol.

Master copies has now become one of my top prioties. Michealangelo is my favourite, but I also love the Baroque approach with the mundane lighting. Will be taking good looks at those.

And thanx for deleting the other thread.

Looking into character design - the finals of these are due next week tuesday, so any crits comments hint tips pointers and advice would be really appreciated!
These were done on a very rough paper - not good for graphite at all - so please forgive the horrid grainy texture.

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/6986/char12me.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3516/char20fy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/4947/char35kj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rip away.

thanx for looking

- d.

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 09:31 PM
I'm thrilled to hear you like the Forum so much! It's definitely cool to have your participation here. :)




http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/6986/char12me.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

demented, I think in this one, the torso looks good, but the legs seem a bit thick, as though in Santa Claus trousers ;) and his right leg feels too far forward to be able to provide him with proper balance. I think the boots are oversimplified and could use more of a sense of the leg and foot which they cover.

With respect to shading, try to get your lines of shading to follow form ~ as in this Rubens Drawing (http://www.wga.hu/art/r/rubens/7graphic/22drawin.jpg). Be a lot more patient with your shading, as every stroke which you will create tells the viewer what the topology of the surface of what you're drawing is like. Try not to scritch / scratch back and forth across the page, but rather pretend that you yourself are a small bug on the surface of the object and are describing that topology with smoothly flowing lines.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3516/char20fy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


With this one, I don't feel as though she has a waist / transition between upper and lower torso. With all characters, it's really necessary to draw them as though they don't have clothes first, and add clothes later. Her right hand is not articulated, and her right ankle and foot need to be more carefully drawn. I recommend setting yourself a goal of doing a certain number of hand and foot studies within a given time frame ~ it's the only way to get better.

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
05-16-2006, 11:13 PM
Thanks Rebecca - I reworked the cloaked guy, but he'll be reworked again.

[His name is Gorb, kinda after Gorbachov. His initial characterization will be that of a drunken washout, though previously great.

As for waistless but wasteful girl - she is Gorb's daughter, Marah?/Vera?, who turns on him against her will. I really want to give her a sneaky/malicious and manipulative look, as she'll effectively be portrayed as an assassin.

The mouthless one is the one that brainwashes M/V. The baddie.

All of them will undergo some reworks, as an entry into the fantasy genre requires a lot of originality.

Anyways, thought it might help to give a general idea of what their backgrounds are - should allow for easier input.]

Big thanx for the help - truly appreciated. I am however, still a bit confused about hatching sometimes. How do you determine whether to hatch along or across a surface/plane? I've had the idea that when dealing with a soft surface, one hatches across; and with a hard surface hatching along the surface works best. :shrug:

Anyway - thanx again. The coffee here is great.:bounce::)

- d.

SpiritDreamer
05-17-2006, 04:03 AM
Hi....Demented....:) ......Really like those two master studies above....GREAT LINE and LIGHTING....:thumbsup: ....bottom one is my favorite....like the color of the drawing and the background color, and the way she is stepping out of the colored shadow, and into the light.
You might try using a warm golden yellow for your light source on that one, or in the future.
Along wiht the peach pink color, a warm mild toned down golden yellow would look great,
just like a tree rippened PEACH....LOOKS TASTY..study the color combinations in nature, and apply them to your art,whenever you can...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
05-17-2006, 04:20 AM
demented,

With shading, you are always trying to think of the dimensionality of form ~ picture a fishnet that has been thrown over a statue, with the criss crossing lines draping over the form.

For example, here I've drawn directional lines over one of my master copies, to show that when shading, I try to think of the direction the form is taking in space:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-01.gif

More or less you want to try to capture the sense that form is moving up, over, around, down, and there's really no hard and fast rule for how to do that ~ mainly it's a matter of not using straight lines, and not violating the most basic smaller shapes comprising the figure ~ try with every stroke to express the concept of 'round', or 'flat', or whatever the shape is that you are describing.

Also, if you get the chance, take a look at this tutorial, which has information about digital as well as traditional shading:

TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)



And here is a good shading tutorial I found online:

http://www.rebekahlynn.com/free/tutorial/shading_tutorial.html

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

enthombed
05-17-2006, 01:56 PM
hey dude, tnks for comment in my thrread, hey you have some good stuff here, need trainning more.. the final test of my design school is comming.

Cya

demented
05-19-2006, 05:23 PM
Hey peeps!

sorry I couldn't get back earlier - was busy and didn't want to post without showing something.

Spiritdreamer: wow - thanx for the tip. The colouring is basically due to photographing my works instead of scanning them. I then take them to photoshop, correct contrast and burn and dodge the whole thing, but as you suggested I should get more involved in this thing. Unfortunately today's drawings don't have the cool colours - will remember next time!

Rebeccak: ah! big thanx for all the trouble you've taken - I'm going to try my best to put that to good use:). The fishnet simile really helps to explain - as does the image you posted. I'll be working on my shading alot - what I basically want to able to achieve is the type of shading style of Bjorn Hurri - especially his pen works. Anyway - big thanx again - helps a ton.:)

enthombed: thanx and thanx for dropping by - good luck with the test!

Have an old digital i thought i'd post since this is CGsociety - hope it's ok for an anatomy thread...

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6664/subterraineangod96colorreajust.jpg

90min life drawing wip - no model. This one will be marked, so any crits would be appreciated. Especially trying to get the clothes to explain what lies beneath. C&C on this one especially appreciated:

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6625/2hour6lq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Bridgman's Complete guide to drawing from life finally arrived in the post, and whilst I haven't had much time to go through it and study it, the pictures got me psyched - did these 1-2 minute poses. C&C more than welcome.

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3299/char13gs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/4742/char24cd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3980/char38yn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thanx for looking at this dribble!

- d.

Rebeccak
05-19-2006, 07:01 PM
demented,

Great to see you've discovered Bridgeman! I think he's definitely a useful part of anyone's Anatomy training arsenal. :)

Here is a review of your reclining figure piece, which I think has a nice quality to it ~ the overall gesture, I think, might be better laid in at the beginning ~ the key trick is to always draw a figure as though they are not wearing clothes at first. This makes the placement of the clothes over the figure that much easier: :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-02.gif

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
05-19-2006, 07:45 PM
nice job. keep up the good work:thumbsup:

Rist
05-19-2006, 09:21 PM
Great exaggerated poses! Like the way you are doing them too, the tones and all.

demented
05-20-2006, 02:46 PM
Heya peeps

Rebeccak: Thanx Rebecca! I started out with just placing cubes to represent masses, but halfway in I discovered my proportions weren't one-hundred, and I think overall gesture got lost with all the "corrections" I made. Thanx for the tip - I'll tend more decently to the gesture in the future!

pushav: thanx dude - much appreciated!

Fl3wk: Thanx a bunch man! Exaggerated poses helps me to learn faster, well faster than I usually learn.

Was browsing through some master stuff when I discovered this one by Rubens - don't like religious art, but this one amazed me totally. Decided to do a master copy - this is of course still a wip, but C&C is more than welcome.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/963/04web0cj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT: Got the link: http://www.wga.hu/art/r/rubens/11religi/07desce3.jpg.

Thanx!

- d.

Rebeccak
05-20-2006, 05:09 PM
demented,

Wow, a great start to your Rubens study! I love to see work like this ~ thanks for posting the link to the original as well, that really helps. :)

I hope you don't mind, but I did a review of your piece, and here is what I came up with:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-03.gif

Here are larger versions of the image sequence above:

>>Large Original Image<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-03_large-A.jpg)

>>Large Paintover Image<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-03_large-B.jpg)



Rubens is far more of a linear than a tonal painter, imo ~ some of his paintings are very nearly drawings with light oil washes over them. You should definitely check out his Drawings whenever you get the chance, they're really profound.

I recommend this relatively inexpensive book of Rubens' Drawings:

The drawings of Rubens (Master draughtsman series) (Master draughtsman series) (Unknown Binding) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007FTV5I/sr=8-35/qid=1148141085/ref=sr_1_35/102-7702925-5516940?%5Fencoding=UTF8)

This book is part of the series:

Entire Master Draughtsman Series of Paperback Books: (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=br_ss_hs/102-0177294-1220179?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dstripbooks%3Arelevance-above%26dispatch%3Dsearch%26results-process%3Dbin&field-keywords=Master+Draughtsman+Series&Go.x=15&Go.y=5&Go=Go)
Great books because they are cheap, light, and great for copying from, as you will not be concerned about destroying the book ~ they are really instructional devices, more than anything else.

And of course there are tons of free online resources as well! :)

Also, you might be interested in checking out the article I wrote on Opposing Curves (see the 'Article' link in my signature. Rubens is one of those artists who is a master of the use of Opposing Curves in his Drawings / Paintings.

Looking forward to more progress on your piece! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

razz
05-20-2006, 06:34 PM
Yeah! A master copy! I really found it a perfect way of learning, good luck with yours!

Rist
05-20-2006, 06:44 PM
Good stuff. Do you study anatomy also? Like the muscles and bones? I recommend it as I believe 'knowing' what you draw is key to understanding your subject.

shrey
05-20-2006, 07:57 PM
hi demented.. i think i understand what u mean by feeling the form... will try out what u said.. BTW great work .. i always wanted to work with charcoal.. great work :)

SpiritDreamer
05-20-2006, 08:03 PM
HI...Demented....:thumbsup: :applause:

Rubens.....GREAT......one of my favorites....check out his scenes of guys on horseback, hunting exotic anamals....hippo's, lions, crocks ect ....action in motion...all in the curves.

REALLY NICE JOB ON THAT RUBENS STUDY ...captured the mood nicely....:thumbsup:
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

enthombed
05-21-2006, 04:42 AM
hey my friend.. tnks for care... and continue de good job here, i keeping my eyes here.


Cya

demented
05-21-2006, 07:32 PM
Hey guys

Rebecca: Your reviews are the bomb! Thanx for that one - now I can see exactly where I need to tweak. Rubens is definitely more linear orientated - even with this largely tonal painting I found that when working with the tones, I still had to apply tones with directional strokes before coming close to the right thing. The biggest challenge has been using the shadows to create form. And your Opposing Curves article rocks - very enlightening. Big thanx for all the help - truly appreciated.

razz: Thanx for dropping by dude - quite excited about this one, thanx for the support!

Fl3wk: Thanx man. And yep - I am studying actual anatomy as often as I can. Understanding the bones and muscles is key to understanding the forms which is really what it's all about. Human skin is really just something on the sidelines.

shrey: Thanx for dropping by man; It's not really about bones and muscles - it's all about line and form and how you are drawing what. I think if you keep this sort of thing in mind you'll avoid the detour I am struggling to get back from. On media: try everything out - charcoal graphite oil markers the lot: trying each one out will teach you something and aid your efforts with other media. thanx again!

SpiritDreamer: Thanks man - appreciate the comments. Rubens has just become one of my favourites - I really like his warm colours and use of light. I'm rather light-obsessed...
thanx again - really appreciated.

enthombed: appreciate you dropping by and appreciate the comments - thanks dude.



Right: got into reworking those awful characters of mine, and I've done two so far. The lecturer criticized the previous ones for not being imaginative enough - which was spot on. So I tried doing something that did not look like Lord of the Rings. C&C would be appreciated!

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7673/marah0tc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/1971/gorb8bk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thanx for looking!!
Will make round to all your thread as soon as I have time - right now I'm going to watch what's left of Ocean's Twelve.

ciao,

- d.

Rebeccak
05-21-2006, 11:39 PM
demented,

Thanks, you're welcome! :)

I think doing Rubens copies will really help with your imaginative studies. The opposing curves principle is one you'll see throughout art ~ drawing, painting, and sculpture. I think the main thing to practice is knowing where to emphasize opposing curves ~ Michelangelo is a great person to study for this. Definitely look at his Drawings, his paintings, his sculpture ~ you'll see opposing curves everywhere, and once you start to see them, you'll start to draw them. Try to make this a conscious act.

I hope you don't mind or think I'm picking on you (I'm certainly not, I can just tell you're motivated) but I did a paintover which I hope shows that exxaggeration of curves, lines, and forms can really help make a pose more dramatic:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-04.gif

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
05-22-2006, 11:45 PM
Yo

Thanx Rebecca - no, I don't feel picked on, rather feel picked out - thanx for all the help, really is invaluable to me. Michelangelo is my favourite, so studying his work is a granted.

I've just finished the "cover" art for this project - in which I've tried my best to use your paintover. This is the final - c&c still welcome even though I might not change anything: always good to know.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8845/creativetechfinal6tz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'd have been much more comfortable with doing this digitally, but the project stipulates the use of markers. Each figure is a cutout, since I've gotten so dependant on PS's layers.

thanx for looking!

- d.

Cyanid
05-23-2006, 12:18 AM
just dropping by to say that this is a very nice sketchbook!
especially like the last one and the rubens study.
keep it going!

Rebeccak
05-23-2006, 02:39 AM
demented,

You're welcome! :)

I think the main thing to focus on in order to be able to do drawings from imagination is to do master copies in particular. Fill a sketchbook or two with just master copies. After a while, you will start to recognize patterns that artists make when drawing the figure, and you will start to incorporate that into your own work.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
05-23-2006, 10:35 PM
Hey peeps

Cyanid: Thanx for dropping by man - always appreciate the coffee. Will make rounds to your thread once I'm making sense again. thanx for stopping by.

Rebeccak: Thanx for dropping by again! I'm intent on doing as much mastercopies as possible - I think I've already started learning from the Rubens study which isn't even complete yet. The next three weeks are going to be ultra hectic for me - have a lot of work to do, but after that I'll have lots of time to do hundreds of copies. Thanx for introducing me to The MasterCopy Mission:D - don't think I would have had this type of approach to master studies otherwise:thumbsup:.

Okay - posted this one just to give this heavy and dramatic page some fun: random doodles from my sketchbook - between classes, waiting for friends, falling down stairs. Love ballpoint pen - any crits comments or advice on these drawings or using pen would be deeply appreciated!

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6650/randomdoodlings9hv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looking at the page now I can see lots of stuff that don't look 100... rip away at the wet paperbag.

thanx,

- d.

Rebeccak
05-24-2006, 05:23 AM
demented,

I think these studies are looking very good ~

Here are some suggestions for how to improve them:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-05_small.gif

Full size version jpgs:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-05A.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-05B.jpg

Hope this helps!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
05-24-2006, 09:54 AM
:) Hi ...Demented......Like those ball point pen drawings...you can really get a nice varied line
just by applying more or less pressure...in the same line...You can also get a nice effect by
smudging the shadow side of figure, and any reflexed shadows on figure and cast shadows
on ground ect., with a wet thumb or rag or whatever...let dry, then go back into it with more line...adds volume and atmosphere to your line drawing...NICE WORK HERE...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
05-25-2006, 06:09 PM
Finally I can reply to my own thread - South African internet is not only the most expensive in the world, it's also the worst in the world. Seriously.:scream:

Anyways:

Rebecca: Thanks Rebecca! Your reviews are killer - especially like what you've done with the left arm with the beak-man in contrapposto: something about how you've handled that pose has made the figure more alive. I now also see how I ruined the stance of the bird man on the right. The bird people are also grateful for your contributions to their (in)existence:Dhehe. Much thanks again:).

SpiritDreamer: Thanks and thanks for dropping by. I'll definitely give the smudging a good try - think it would suit my style perfectly. Thanx for the tip.

no update right nya, working some on the mastercopy and watching the tidal wave of work coming this way.

cheers,

- d.

~bird people bird people - taste like bird, look like s***~

demented
05-31-2006, 07:02 PM
Yo peeps

Thought I might make a little update amidst the chaos of work:). This is a figure drawing from class - there were some better ones, but the lecturer took them. Maybe the biggest problem with this one (something I just noticed) is the pants - they are below the wasit line (as they were on the model), but because of that the legs look too short. This is about a 1hour drawing.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8389/figure1hour4yi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C&C welcome as always.

cheers,

- d.

Rebeccak
05-31-2006, 10:35 PM
demented,

You're welcome for the crits! :) It's a pleasure to have you on the forum, your comments are always generous and insightful. :)

I'm liking the way you are starting to draw the legs here. His right shoulder seems off, though I like what you've done with the left. Try mapping in the facial features just really roughly, to establish their presence, even if it's just a set of axes for the brow, eyes, nose, lips, ears, and chin.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
06-02-2006, 11:06 AM
Hey peeps

Rebeccak: Much thanks - it's a huge pleasure for me to be here. Big thanx for all the help - think the problem with his right shoulder *might* be in the way I drew his chest - not sure. Actually I was thinking about opposing and concave curves when I did the legs so how they turned out is largely thanks to you:).

An extremely minuscule update on the Rubens study - just to show I'm still busy, really. Will complete it with a fury once I have time - hopefully I'll still be in the mood to colour it. Thanks to Rebeccak esp. for the review - tried as best I could to follow through with it. c&c always appreciated.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8362/09web8zi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thanks for looking
cherio,

- d.

SpiritDreamer
06-02-2006, 02:04 PM
Hi ...Demented....AWSOME Rubens study...really captured the power in that one....:thumbsup: :applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
06-02-2006, 11:19 PM
Hi

SpiritDreamer: Thanx man - much appreciated. Glad I got some of the feel right - that was what convinced me to copy it. Much thanks! And much thanx for the inspiration too - your works are killer and fun, killerfun:D.

Got the figurestudies back - would like to try and touch them up to perfection before I hand them in for marking on Monday. Any crits and comments or advice would really be appreciated:).

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/7199/sit6jz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4403/stand6vh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1641/two7wa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/9141/revengeonthefatone0zw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rip away. Kill it.

muchthanx

- d.

Rebeccak
06-03-2006, 12:08 AM
demented,

These are all looking great ~ the main things I would advise you to work on are the feet. These have a wonderful feel to them, I can see why your teacher kept them behind. :)

Keep up the great work on these!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
06-03-2006, 12:26 AM
Hi... Demented.....I really kike those drawings ...ALOT ....nice line. ...only thing I would improve
on them is the lower leg, ankle, and feet,...you seem to shy away from those areas, I notice.
The feet are the foundation that supports all the weight when the figure is in motion, standing,
ect. If you master them, it will make all of your works that much better...Burne Hogarth is the
best one to learn feet from...get DYNAMIC ANATOMY BY BURNE HOGARTH if you can...he has a
way of explaining and showing feet as no one else that I have seen anyway..can do ..
Look at your own feet and ankles in the mirror...put pressure and weight on your toes...ect.
will give you an idea of the dynamic envolved in the make up of the foot...arch..stepped toes ect.
Really like your work alot...keep posting...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

I see Rebecca JUST BEAT ME AT TYPING AGAIN.... LOL.....SHE'S JUST TOO FAST FOR ME...:)

razz
06-03-2006, 10:08 AM
Nice figure studies, Demented. As Rebecca already said, more works on the feet is needed. This will make it look much better. Maybe even to work on the head, but I'm not sure this is neccesary, because you are concentrating on figure now, right? To make it look more finished, maybe try adding a shadow. The light source is seen well in each of them, so just a fast kind of raytraced shadow would be great. Actually as you see I have no critics, just suggestions how to improve if I'm helping at all. Though as i look more at these, I would correct the legs in the two middle drawings. The lying guy looks fine to me. Only the other two ask for improvement. Good luck on these! Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
06-03-2006, 10:32 PM
Hi...Demented...... :) I also think that you might add the seat that they are sitting on ,with a fold of cloth, draped over the edge...will add more depth...along with a few cast shadows like Razz just mentioned.
Cloth always adds to the nudes, plus will show that you can do folds with shadows ect.
Hope this helps some ....GOOD LUCK..:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
06-06-2006, 07:17 PM
Wow - muchthanx all - will make decent rounds to all your threads in the near future.

Rebecca: Muchthanx as always. After going back with feet in my mind I saw negelecting the feet can really destroy the figure - especially if they are weight-bearing. Kept the last one's feet as they were - the lack of shading help to cheat the foreshortening some. Worked some on all the others and the good news the lecturer has decided to keep them for good - muchjoy.

Spiritdreamer: Thanx man - always appreciate your visiting. Had a peak at your thread and the new ones look amazing - will make proper rounds soon! Am planning to take a good look at feet - drawing lecturer also took most of my own notes on anatomy which is great because now I have to redo them - hopefully this time round it'll still better. Currently I'm kinda short on cash but I'm planning to get books by Hogarth, Hale and others asap! Muchthanx for the help.

razz: But the head is part of the figure! hehe - think I should work on the head - facial expression can say alot about a pose and create a mood - so yes, I too think they would require more attention in the future. Shadows is also a good idea - they can explain everything you can't see. Muchthanx for the advice - really appreciated.

SpiritDreamer2: thanx so much Glenn - really appreciate all the advice. Never thought of the fact that adding the chairs could add depth - you're perfectly right. Previously I thought that a well drawn figure didn't need the chair to exlain the pose - and that may be true, but it's really only a test - adding things like shadows and chair will add to the work itself. Muchthanx - it's really great to have people like you and Rebecca help out - much thanx.

k - need to get back to work nya, cya all later and muchthanx again
ciao

- d.

demented
06-07-2006, 09:56 PM
Hey

just a small update - something done when I should have been working. Glad I did it anyway, despite the way it looks. As is obvious it's inspired by Bjorn Hurri, but it took me far too long - bout 30 - 40 minutes.

crits always welcome

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7664/characfinal4hv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

was gonna make his left hand smaller but liked it that big.
muchthanx, cheers,

- d.

razz
06-08-2006, 12:57 PM
Nice speedpaint. I believe it would be good for you (and for me) to do some or many silhouettes. Just some fast ones, 5-15min. For me it helps to relax, but then I get angry because I fail to draw what I see in my mind :scream: Ok, enough of that. Good luck with yours if you decide to do any.

enthombed
06-08-2006, 02:44 PM
yeap, i really like this work right now...

Cheers

Icaro

demented
06-15-2006, 08:14 AM
Sorry for not getting back sooner - continuous internet problems...

razz: Muchthanx! sillhouetes? absoluty - never thought about it. Should help with mass conception and gestural drawing. Drawing from the mind is something that comes with its fair share of practice - one of the keys is of course drawing from life.

enthombed: Thanx man - appreciate it and appreciate you dropping by - cheers!


will update asap got a truckload of stuff.

cheers

- d.

demented
06-26-2006, 11:25 AM
Wow - great to be back...

K, gotta huge update... here goes - hope I'm not killing your bandwidth.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6255/06060818cz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6360/06061213ig.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4717/06061345kf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2825/06061339jf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this one's a study of one of Michelangelo's studies for the The Battle of Cascina:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8/06061619kw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1109/06061659yw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9752/06061642fo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7918/06061911xz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1509/0606221copy6en.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

phew... did you really just wait for this pile of s**t to load?
Muchthanx - C&C really appreciated.

SpiritDreamer
06-26-2006, 12:21 PM
Hi....demented....:thumbsup:

Like the action, movement and line in the first one....wish it had a little more of the face and
it's expression showing through....would really add to it
Like the Michelanglo, and the color and rendering technique on it is ....GREAT....:thumbsup:
IMAGINE if you used that technique on your own drawings and studies....just a passing thought:)
The one right below the Michelanglo study.....my favorite ...great gesture, motion, line ect.
Thing he is carrying on his back...is that a DREAM CATCHER ....would be great to see some
eagle feathers sticking out along the outter edge of the hoop...just another passing thought.:)
GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK..:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
06-26-2006, 11:19 PM
demented,

Great to see you back! :) Lots of energetic studies here, looks like you've been working really hard! :thumbsup:

I really like that first one, but can't see the Michelangelo piece. Did you take that down?

I think with this piece, her head feels small / hunched perhaps a bit more than you intended, but the shading is quite nice, particularly on the black white version:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4717/06061345kf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)



http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6360/06061213ig.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


I think you might really benefit from doing some Gestural and then detailed head and skull studies. The heads of these figures have features that seem a bit squished and somewhat disconnected from the underlying anatomy of the head. I would recommend doing head studies from Statues and Anatomy Studies from such sources as:


http://www.anatomyatlases.org/atlasofanatomy/plateindex.shtml

and from online or book sources of classical / Renaissance art / sculpture:

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/michelangelo/michelangelo.david.jpg

Would love to see a page or two of sketches from classical sculptures! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
06-27-2006, 02:13 PM
Heya

SpiritDreamer: thanx! think the michelangelo technique would be very effective - all the tones have been built up with line, and it seems to work better than just bluntly putting value down. Thing on that dude's back initially started as a play on shapes, but later I evolved into something structural - it was nothing specific, but I like your idea and I like the character, so I'll probably redo him and evolve him - thanx for the ideas! Thanx again Glenn.

Rebecca: glad to be back! and muchthanx! Here's a proper repost of the michelangelo, along with a reference link. This is not the reference I worked from, which was clearer and alot more helpful with the linear approach to shading. Discoverd "The Great Artists" series which is like a collectable set of issues, each issue on a different artist. From Giotto to Late mordernism. Mine was refernced from the inevitable Michelangelo issue. Huge thanx for that link to anatomyatlases - appreciate all the help. Will do more detailed studies on the skull and face asap. Much thanx again!

Here's my attempt
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/6576/06061616nm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and the real deal:
http://www.wga.hu/art/m/michelan/4drawing/cascina/cascina2.jpg

c&c appreciated! ciao

- d.

demented
06-27-2006, 07:51 PM
Just another quick doodle last one for the evening. Inspired by Wesley Burt.

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/4774/06062713wt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C&C appreciated! ciao

- d.

Rebeccak
06-27-2006, 09:35 PM
demented,

Great to have you back! :) And thank you for your comments in my sketchbook. :)

Really love the Michelangelo copy, thanks for reposting! :thumbsup: I think it would be great to see many more of these. :)

On this most recent piece, I think that you might double check the proportions of the arms. The arm coming forward seems really large proportional to his body. I think the more master studies you do, the more you will become comfortable with proportions and with complex poses such as these.

Looking forward to your next update!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
06-28-2006, 02:59 PM
Heya peeps

Rebecca: Thanx! you can count on many more, even more copies of this one. Mentler suggested I redo it a few times to get it 100 and thereby learn more. Also looking into a Caravaggio - The doubting Thomas - loving his colours and contrasts. Tha arm is deifinitely off, only realised it when you pointed it out - muchthanx for that. It's largely the result of poor foreshortening too, I think. Anyways, muchthanx for the tips - appreciate it.

thought I might just pop in another speedy before a decent coffee break. +-25 min, I think, CS2. Mainly playing around with different techniques to get the type of effect I want...

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5936/speedy27pi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c always welcome!
ciao!

- d.

EDIT: I realise this isn't exactly anatomy but thought I might post it anyway. squint really hard and you can see two eyes and a foot, hehe.

demented
06-28-2006, 10:09 PM
Heya peeps.

Thought I might add this one in the meantime. For the AnatomyClass, that's 1/50. Looking forward to the rest!

http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/427/holofermes3wy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Feeling kinda finished, but of course C&C would be appreciated!
cheers!

- d.

demented
06-29-2006, 12:30 PM
wazup peeps?

Latest completion in the Anatomy class thing, Mr.Marat RebeccaK style. Playing around with all kinds of brushes and techniques. This is one of the dead Marat, which David drew. Essentially a propoganda piece, Marat in reality had a horrible skin disease, confining him to a tub filled with water for the most of his day. David, of course, took artistic liberty and made the deceased Marat conform to the ideals of Neo-Classicism.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1507/mrmaratweb3fl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C&C welcome as always!
ciao

- d.

Rebeccak
06-29-2006, 04:20 PM
demented,

Saw your avatar on another thread, and thought, "Wow!" :thumbsup: Came over to find that you had done two gorgeous head studies ~ I'm really impressed! Keep up the great work, I look forward to some fantastic progress from you!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
06-30-2006, 11:12 AM
Heya peeps

Rebecca: Thanx a bunch! Truly glad to be part of this. been absolutely awesome so far. Will post on the actual anatomy thread soon. Muchthanx for the support, and muchthanx for organising this thing.

Here are two more, expect a change in technique soon, these are taking far too long for far too little:

#35 (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/035.jpg):

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9541/mrjerome27on.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

#59 (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/059.jpg):


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8669/mrdurerweb1wg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C&C would be appreciated, ciao!

- d.

SpiritDreamer
06-30-2006, 12:51 PM
HEY....Demented.....FANTASTIC JOB SO FAR ON THOSE HEADS....:thumbsup:
Watch the hair....you might want to block in a big shape for the hair, then put your strands on top of that underlying shape, with highlights here and there...don't overdo it...you don't want to take attention away from the face.....helps to vary the brush size alot when doing the hair,
so you don't end up with the spagetti look...:scream:
Really enjoying your thread...keep up the GREAT work...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
06-30-2006, 04:49 PM
Yo peeps

SpiritDreamer: Muchothanx Glenn, glad you like it. Thanx for the tip about the, wasn't entirely sure how to handle it. Experimenting with all kinds a stuff now, my digital skills aren't quite what I thought the were. muchthanx again, cheers.

one more for tonight, this time a lady, don't think I'll be able to completely finish another today unless I go tradtional (which I will sometime).

#73 (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/073.jpg):

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7816/mrsboucheweb1sl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Not too happy with this one, my first scultpture, c&c would really be appreciated.
cheers

- d.

Rebeccak
06-30-2006, 05:20 PM
demented,

Wow, am just blown away by your progress here ~ you're better at I am at saying things creatively, but I think you're doing a terrific job, and it's great to see your improvement. Keep up the excellent work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
06-30-2006, 11:37 PM
Yo peeps

Rebecca: Muchthanx! I have a great passion for visual art, but probably an even greater one for writing and storytelling. Heart-warming to hear I speak creatively. And I'm just as glad that you think I'm improving, thanx for the reassurance! just checked out your sb - damn, you're freakin nailing the Barre sculpture! awesome job, will make proper rounds sometime soon.

K, against most odds, I finished with another one, puts me on three today (first one of pre-previous post was from yesterday/very very early this morning) - so I got a hat-trick!
Not really happy with this one either, but at least it taught:

#36: (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/036.jpg)

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5586/emmaus2wg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Will update the Anatomy lesson tommorow/later today.
C&C would be appreciated! ciao!

- d.

SpiritDreamer
07-01-2006, 02:56 AM
Hi....Demented....:thumbsup:

Really like that last one.....some very nice descreptive brush strokes happening...:thumbsup:
You might try on one of the next ones, to soften areas of the lighted side, or edges,.. and drag some of the background into it...here and there....will give you an atmospheric effect...too
much of a hard edge, tends to creat a cutout effect,...or flatness....try to make even the lightest edge appear to be rounded....the lightest value usually appears just before the lighted
edge....not at the very edge of the edge...usually...think in termes of a sphere...you want the minds eye, or imagination of the viewer to... travel around the globe....and to not stop when it reaches the outter edge.
Really great progress happening with each of the heads you have done so far...KEEP GOING..:applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
07-01-2006, 04:17 AM
hi, demented
Awsome work ond the heads :thumbsup: keep it up

Mark

demented
07-01-2006, 10:56 AM
Heya peeps

SpiritDreamer: Muchothanx Glenn for dropping by yet again. muchthanx for the tips - will keep them in mind with the next. The cutout effect is something that I'm usually able to dodge, but playing around with brushes and styles has made me neglect it this time round.

Fatebringer: thanx dude - checked out your sb, great work.

downloaded the z-brush demo this morning, thought i might give it a try. It's a huge load of fun, and very fast. it's also amazingly stable. here's my very first z-brush creation. this actually just one dude, decided to duplicate the old hermit for two good views. the "eyes" are actually just the back of the skull of the other one.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7039/zbrush19pj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c welcome!
ciao

- d.

SpiritDreamer
07-01-2006, 01:11 PM
HEY...Demented.....GREAT to see you got Z BRUSH....some good tips from different people

on the last ten or twelve pages of my thread...concerning Z BRUSH...might help and make it
easier for you.....program is like a combination lock...have to use the right numbers, or you
can't get in...:scream:

HAVE A GOOD ONE
TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
07-01-2006, 01:30 PM
Hey guys

SpiritDreamer: muchthanx again glenn. will definitely go check it out. realised it was kinda tricky - had to consult the web to find out how to sculpt individual object, but it's huge fun. thanx again.

nother head. only realised DoctorBone had done this exact one with markers after I had already started (except he flipped his the other way). Go check out his thread to see how it's done. This one is far too messy, but at least i learnt more about markers:

#54 (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/054.jpg):

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/1729/apostel1yu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c would be appreciated,
ciao!

- d.

razz
07-01-2006, 03:08 PM
Really lovely one with the markers! I like the way it looks. Would try myself, but there's nowhere I could buy good markers at my town :banghead:

BNN
07-01-2006, 04:15 PM
Wow wow!!

Great stuff mannnnn!!!

Hoho let's do more zbrush works!

=D

demented
07-01-2006, 07:50 PM
Yo peeps

Razz: Thanx, glad you like it. Markers are really fun to use, very carefree in a way because they are permanent. If you get an oppurtinity to use them, do so!

BNN: Muchothanx, glad you like. With you on the z-brush - have never had so much fun in 3d.

k, probably last one for tonight. thought the markers would be faster than the digi, not exactly true. Muchthanx to Rebecca again for doing this whole thing.

#60 (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/060.jpg):

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8453/93yearolddudeweb9vt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c always welcome!
ciao!

- d.

Rebeccak
07-01-2006, 07:58 PM
demented,

Liking your last piece, one thing that I would recommend is trying not to rely a lot at this point on a wash. Really try to go after form with cross hatching, even if it means making mistakes and having to deal with them on the fly. I also wouldn't recommend combining traditional and digital at this stage, I would say the benefit of doing strictly digital is not being able to correct things easily, which forces you to concentrate more.

Keep up the great work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
07-03-2006, 11:15 AM
Heya Rebecca,

muchthanx for dropping by - hear you on the wash - will do. As for mixing digital&traditional, also agree with you: want to continue to keep them separate, that way my level of skill in each will improve, and I won't rely on the other to fix it. muchothanx again!

One more so long - couldn't get enything done yesterday, the two drawing of #4 were utter crap. did this one this morning, first I've tried to copy something with colour, so excuse its weakity :D. Colour proved slightly easier than I thought, but I'm still not 100% happy with the result.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8636/comwweb1vp.jpg

c&c appreciated!
ciao

- d.

SpiritDreamer
07-03-2006, 11:59 AM
HEY ...Demented .....:thumbsup: ......Really beautiful things happening in that last head.........lighting.......edges....soft ...hard ...atmosphere...AIR......color.......:applause:

Also liking those markers....:thumbsup:

Real pleasure seeing your experiments working....:)
KEEP GOING...:bounce:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
07-03-2006, 04:36 PM
Heya demented,

I hope I haven't irked you ;) but I think your color piece shows a lot of potential. :) Pretty soon I think you will give zhuzhu a run for his money. :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-03-2006, 05:56 PM
Yo peeps

SpiritDreamer: Muchothanx man, still intimidated by the idea of colour, but will do more. Muchthanx for all the advice, tips and encouragement - appreciate it all! Saw some amazing things happening in your thread - again! Thanx for the inspirational boost.

Rebecca: irked me? :curious: no - of course not! it's always great to have you stopping by:), and I really appreciate all the tons of crits and comment you leave here:). Your combination of digital and traditional has totally worked in your favour, but for now I'll be sticking to your first suggestion for the sake of learning more. And muchthanx for the comments and kind words, though giving zhuzhu a run for his money will require a lot more work from me (and less from him!) Big thanx for the kind words Rebecca!

not feeling 100 right now, will get back in full swing once I feel bit better (after my next coffee!)

cheers peeps, thanx for stopping by!

- d.

demented
07-03-2006, 08:45 PM
Heya folks

Latest one nya, nother one of uncle Al's awesome drawings, again doing the whole marker thing. I still used a wash effect, but not to create form - the exclusive use of line was applied to create form after which I reinforced shadows and balanced the compositions with more wash-like strokes. I think. Discovered that my line control actually sucks quite a bit.

Anyways:

#55 (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/055.jpg):

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/5098/apostlelooking30ub.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c is like coffee - bittersweet and keeps one going. and it's always welcome.
ciao,

- d.

EDIT: will post this one to the anatomy thread tommorw along with those that i do tommorow.

razz
07-03-2006, 08:56 PM
You've recently progressed a lot, great to see that. I like these marker sketches. Reminds me of DoctorBone, but in the say way it's different. Makes me really want to try that, but there's no way i could do that, at least now. Well someday... You keep going! :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
07-04-2006, 10:27 AM
demented,

I think it's hard to make a face cohere without the entirety of the head displayed ~ we read heads as spherical objects, and cutting it off by just showing the face makes it difficult to mentally complete the picture. One of the best artists to study is Michelangelo, because in his drawings, paintings, and sculptures, every line relates to every other in a call and response / opposing curves / rhythmical fashion.

http://www.mcm.edu/academic/galileo/ars/arsgifs/zmichelangelo.gif

It's as if every curve were saying to it's pair "You...complete...me". :D

There you go, I'm officially a cheesepuff. ;) But it's true.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
07-04-2006, 11:11 AM
Yo peeps

razz: thanx man - they were inspired by Doctor Bones' stuff, and apart from looking like his works, markers have also helped me to learn a lot. But yes, I'm still a long way off from getting to where the Doc is.

Rebecca: Awesome, thanx for the advice, will definitely keep it in mind with my next traditional one (might be doing graphite sometime soon...) Trying to think of opposing curves as often as I can, and thanx again for bringing it to my attention - that article of yours was killer.

cheesepuff? you're...edible? :shrug: sorry, please explain :)!

k, here's another one - a concious effort to be somewhat minimalistic with my strokes. Still only my second attempt at colour, so please excuse.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2981/duquesnoy1ik.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c is always appreicated!

ciao

- d.

demented
07-04-2006, 02:48 PM
Heya peeps

Just another z-brush head, four different views. Never had this much fun with 3d.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6163/zbrush14bp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5505/zbrush23fu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c always welcome
ciao,

- d.

SpiritDreamer
07-04-2006, 03:19 PM
HEY....Demented.....LOL....WATCH OUT :) ...that Z BRUSH is very ADDICTIVE.....:scream:

I like that painted head before the Z BRUSH....on the eyeball highlights...the shadow side ...the hightlight should be smaller, and in shadow also.....usually...
I am liking your experiments with styles and brushes...keep going...:thumbsup:

demented
07-04-2006, 08:09 PM
Yo peeps

SpiritDreamer: Hey Glenn, muchthanx for dropping by again. Had to tear myself away from z-brush even though I wasn't getting anywhere. On the highlights: :argh::surprised:argh:. I *had* them right - I actually kinda fixed them up because the original they're the other way around. I made a conscious effort to get that right, but I think I screwed them up later again trying to get the expression right. think i'll fix them up and replace the image - thanx for bringing it to my attention. saw some great stuff going on in your thread, keep it up!

the original dude kinda looks like me on a day without coffee, but this dude looks like me upon waking up and finding out there is no coffee. kinda "WTF? no coffee?!"-expression.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/682/sorrowweb5uu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c is always appreicated.
will once again update the anatomy thread once i have some more to show. and after some more coffee.

ciao!

- d.

demented
07-05-2006, 01:52 PM
Yo

this morning's one, again trying to simplify and work faster. Still playing around here and there, but I think to get what I want I'll need painter.

#34:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1186/car2web6xe.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT: Just did this one of # 46. Not too happy with it, gave me a tough time, but I think I learned a few things.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/603/chateaubriand8pj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C&C always welcome!
ciao!

- d.

Cyanid
07-06-2006, 12:05 AM
that st.jerome one is really good. nice blocking of colors.
your lines are very nice, I like the last drawing the most. I like the combination of subtle colors and lines.
I would like to see more pure line portraits :)
keep it up!

SpiritDreamer
07-06-2006, 02:20 AM
Hi...Demented....:thumbsup:
A lot of nice things happening in that ST. Jorome....like the way you built up the mass of the
craium..skull...with color VALUES leading into the hightlight.
The old masters used to do every surface plane on the face, and everywhere on their paintings
really... with five values of color...from dark to light shades of whatever color they were using for whatever particular plane they were on...like if the chin for an example , was an umber gold
color,...they would find the midtone ...medium shade,...and get five values ...from dark to light
of that paticular color, and apply it to the chin area, and so on. They would do every surface plane in that manner...The lightest color value...shade, would always be the hightlight...which will never be a pure white, but will always have a little of the color that they were working with on whatever surface plane they were doing...in it.
You pretty much pulled off that technique on the cranium...skull of ST. Jerome.....GREAT JOB:applause:
KEEP EXPERIMENTING.....:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
07-06-2006, 08:47 AM
demented,

Slow down on these a little bit, I think it's important to do a large number of these, but also to work out each piece to a level of your own satisfaction ~ if you have doubts about a piece, continue with it a bit so long as you learn something from the process. I think you have your own good sense of judgement, and really try to pave the road completely, if quickly, as you are driving down it. And that is my attempt at a 'dementism' ~ how did I do? :D :)

Cheers, ;)

~Rebeccak

demented
07-06-2006, 11:14 AM
Yo peeps

Cyanid: Thanx for dropping by dude, and thanx for the comments. Been wanting to do graphite or pen, but each time I run into a Mal-1 or a zhuzhu or a DocBone and then, totally overcome by that, go off and do something like it. Will do some more linear stuff soon - provided someone can keep me away from zhuzhu.

SpiritDreamer: Once again thanx a bunch for dropping. Never knew that's how they did it - thanx for posting that, very interesting, and also very helpful in understanding colour. thanx for the comments!

Rebecca: Couldn't have said it better - as far as "dementisms" go that's gotta rate as one of the best:thumbsup:. Luckily I have been learning a bit from the faster ones too (may not look like it...) - wasn't very happy with how I was paving the road before, so I went back to the basics and found that first I needed to level the ground, so to speak. So muchthanx - I will pay more attention to how I am paving the road. Next one will definitely be a higher render, more thorough study. Thanx for the c&c, great way of putting it - really appreciate it!

ciao peeps

- d.

demented
07-06-2006, 03:32 PM
yo peeps

#43 (http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/00_Anatomy%20Lesson%20Series/Web%20Gallery%20of%20Art%20Images/043.jpg) here is feeling pretty finished, but something is feeling right (apart from the usual lack of draftsmanship ;)) ... any help in this regard would really be appreciated.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6892/doubtingthomas1gg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c would really be appreciated on this one.
muchothanx for the replies so far - will make rounds to all your threads in the near future.

ciao!

- d.

razz
07-06-2006, 05:33 PM
To tell the truth I don't like the wrinkles on his forehead. A little more work would be needed on the eye, to make it look like we're watching to the side of it. Mu drawing teacher told me of a great way how to remember how to draw an eye. It's pretty simple, but effective. Imagine an orange, cut the shape of an eye in it and that's all. it's mainly to remember that the upper an lower lids have thickness and they look different from each angle. I'd also suggest to blend the colors (I'm using painter) an then go on top of it with greater detail. That's what I would do. Hope it helps, good luck with it :)

Rebeccak
07-06-2006, 09:52 PM
demented,

Whenever possible, draw the whole head ~ and since you're working digitally here, that is always possible! :D

I think the main thing is to watch the central axis of the face ~ watch where it divides the wrinkles of the forehead down the center. Hope this review helps: :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Thread%20of%20demented/demented_Review-06.gif

EDIT: Another thought is, when in doubt, ANALYZE. Draw the structure if things don't look right. Block things in, break things down in terms of planes if a particular area isn't working. Generally speaking, you can bring an indeterminate area around if you break down it's form in terms of basic planes. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
07-06-2006, 11:04 PM
hey peeps

razz: hate the wrinkles? so do I. just can't get them to describe the form and be wrinkles in tranquility. I think it's because i've made the whole thing more complicated than it really is. Great tip on the eye - fixed it up a tad whilst still trying to stay true to the original. Not sure if photoshop has a blending option... really want to lay my hands on painter though. thanx for stopping by.

Rebecca: Wow, thanx! Those reviews of yours are absolutely killer. I fixed up a few stuff though, first being canvas size as you suggested as in this thumbnail:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4391/canvasshot8oc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Tried to fix up some obvious stuff, redid the wrinkles but they're still not 100. The final is still missing much of the head, but the original felt a little non-descript and I found it difficult to improvise on this one:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5005/doubtingthomas27na.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

bear-hug for all the helps guys, helped a lot in getting this one where it is now. I'm still doubting thomas, but I'd rather go on to the next one.

thanx!
ciao!

- d.

demented
07-07-2006, 04:56 PM
sup

had to do this one twice - first time I was nearing completion - had to tweak here and there - and then the obligatory power-cut and lost an entire morning's (well, almost) work. That led to me grabbing a pick axe and frantically looking for Murphy. Anyways, here's try no 2:

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/114/lost5face2qw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c welcome!
ciao!

- d.

demented
07-07-2006, 10:56 PM
Just another quickie, still going through different styles and stuff.

#71

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6932/no71zdin9hy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

from this:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9995/no71zdout6io.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c welcome!

ciao

- d.

demented
07-08-2006, 04:48 PM
Heya peeps

nother head, #86. this one was a longer render than the previous one. phew.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7851/thatdude37ef.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C&C is always appreciated!
ciao!

- d.

Rebeccak
07-08-2006, 06:10 PM
demented,

Lovely progress here ~ with each Portrait, I think you are progressing and getting stronger ~ which is exactly the point! Keep up the good work ~ I have one recommendation for this one:


http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/6932/no71zdin9hy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

I think this one needs more contrast / mid values and the distance between the eye and tip of nose seems a bit long. A few key adjustments could make the face a tighter read.

Keep up the great work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-08-2006, 11:27 PM
Hey Rebecca

Muchthanx - it's really very heartwarming to hear that and to know practice and you guys' advice has payed off. Agreeing with you on this last one - was still sort of busy building up the tones when I forgot all about them and starting feeling finished. And tired :D. And yes I definitely need to a lot more attention to structure, constantly neglecting it and constantly suffering therefore. Muchthanx for the advice R, and congratulations on this Anatomy Workshop - the response is totally phenomenal and it's all thanks to your hard work. Michthanx - will return the favour soon.

meanwhile here's another quickie, finished him whilst listening to "The Wall" and some Led Zeppelin....

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/4323/antoniocerri4qt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c would be appreciated.
ciao

- d.

razz
07-09-2006, 10:03 AM
Great studies you have here, Demented. As I've done those three last faces myself, I really like how yours turned out. I think this will make me to do some digital sketches, because I look at these and ask myself "could I do that?". Great going :bounce:

Oh, and one question. How do you start the painting? Line-art? Big shaoes? Because I was told once to start with big shapes, not line-art. Cause line-art gets you trapped inside those lines, but with big shapes anything can be changed.

Good luck with your future studies.

demented
07-09-2006, 10:00 PM
Hey,

Razz: Thanx dude, should try some yourself man! this excercise is the ideal oppurtunity to hone your skills in various media. I start with both lines and shapes. If I see a line flowing there, I draw it, if I see a simple shape there, I draw a shape. You are right though, line does seem make one work inside them, but that's all the more reason to practice your line, not avoid it!

Here's todays update, only one, this one trying too much for comfort to look like zhuzhu's.

#11:

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b0bf9d5ff6.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

c&c welcome!
ciao!

- d.

Rebeccak
07-10-2006, 06:40 AM
Hiya demented,

For some reason your image is not showing up, can you repost it? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-10-2006, 05:10 PM
Heya peeps

Rebecca: Repost nya, tell me if it's not loading again - changed imagehosting as imageshack gave me crap.

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/Francesco.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)


Today's one - not so satsified with it, really trying to get a 3d look going, just wont get there. had to stop myself...

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2382/what35web7so.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c welcome, on the run,
ciao!

DiM
07-11-2006, 01:09 PM
Hey!

It is realy cool heads!

demented
07-11-2006, 07:09 PM
Heya peeps

DiM: Thanx man, appreciate the compliments. Keep up the great work - you've improved tremendously.

Nother head, still playing around, still not getting what I want..... it was killing me so I killed it back and now we are both dead ....
...
...

#84

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6021/knockoff3web7wj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

To everyone from tSoFA and CA, have really limited access right now, will update those threads once I can access the web more freely
C&C welcome

ciao

- d

demented
07-12-2006, 07:17 PM
Heya peeps

head#22 i think....

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9659/tubby8qp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c welcome, ciao!

- d.

razz
07-12-2006, 07:39 PM
I really like the look of these. Always liked those b&w paintings. You know, I'd like to see some colored heads from you, just for diversity. Seems you've become friends with the b&w color palette and I do think you can do great stuff with colors too :)

Rebeccak
07-12-2006, 09:57 PM
demented!

You're becoming a mini~zhuzhu! :D Keep up the good work, buddy! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-13-2006, 04:35 PM
Heya peeps

razz: Thanx bud, will get to colour once I've run out of sculptures! Really loving doing them, but the colour pallete will return! thanx for stopping by.

Rebecca: Heya Becks, hope you're enjoying the beach over nya! Muchothanx for the compliments and for comparing me to zhuzhu - truly appreciated!

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7060/popedude5jm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c always welcome,
ciao!

- d.

demented
07-14-2006, 12:53 AM
Oi

Just finished this one ... get the feeling there's something horrible wrong but it's too late for me to see what it is ... sleep is overrated.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1396/julius3im.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c welcome
ciao

- d.

se7en-z3r0
07-14-2006, 03:24 PM
These b+w head studies look amazing. Great sense of mass and lighting. Keep at it dude.

machu
07-14-2006, 05:45 PM
the studies are getting better and better.. especialy like the #97 and #109..
" You're becoming a mini~zhuzhu! " - true.. very true.. work as much as he does.. and you'll catch him up:) Keep it up!

demented
07-14-2006, 10:26 PM
Hey

se7en: Thanx dude, will do. Keep up the awesome work on your side too man.

nother one, need to move a bit faster with these - which is why this one looks soooo rushed :sad:. Will do something more decent soon, hopefully...

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/638/lenin9lz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

c&c always welcome!
ciao

- d.

razz
07-15-2006, 09:28 AM
Rushed or not, I like how you've painted the face of the last one. Following the steps of Zhuzhu, eh? I should do that too :bounce: Just so you know, I like these painting a lot!

demented
07-15-2006, 01:31 PM
Hey peeps

razz: thanx man - zhuzhu's technique is really the best way to get the 3d going and flowing. Very enlightening to give it a try. Thanx for stopping by man, much appreciated.

machu: Thanx man! Always glad to hear comments such as those.

Will make rounds to all those guilty of posting here soon.

A return to pencil has shown me how much I've slacked off, so I'll wait for some c&c on this one before I post it in the Anatomy Lesson thread:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2995/maninturbanyg6.jpg

c&c would be appreciated
ciao

- d.

Mu
07-15-2006, 02:41 PM
Hi demented,

I saw you fallin into trance on zhuzhu's thread and thought I'd pay you a visit.

Just browsed through all of your thread and

WOW

you are good.

The Mentler studies especially are so close to the source it's frightening. I also like these heads you are doing, the values just seem ...right.

:thumbsup:

btw, when you talk about using zhuzhu's technique for doing these heads what does that mean in particular? Just being an effing genius or what...:D ?

Because, if there's something like a technique I would like to add this to my schedule...:)

Keep on updating this thread, because I am subscribed right...

*subscribes*

...now...:scream:

demented
07-17-2006, 07:41 PM
Hey peeps:

Mu: Aw thanx man - appreciate the comments man! This is the first time someone has subscribed to my thread, I feel so unworthy :blush:. As for zhuzhu's technique, it basically involves getting the basic, intrinsic tonal values and shapes down as quickly as possible in a very impressionistic fashion. From there it's a lot easier to work. Think it's definitely wroth a try, able to achieve great 3-dimensionality with it. But there are many ways to skin a cat. cya round dude!

did this one nya - very rough and I'm falling behind.........

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/fatsyweb.jpg

c&c welcome as always!
ciao

- d.

demented
07-18-2006, 02:24 PM
Yo

jus'sum doodles. college is starting to get hectic, dunno how many more faces I'll be able to do, but I'm doodling all the time:D.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060718.jpg

c&c welcome
ciao

- d.

Rebeccak
07-18-2006, 04:56 PM
demented,

Great progress here on the digitals ~ :thumbsup: but wow that traditional sketch is amazing! :) Reminds me a bit of Llewellyn's style. Great stuff, your improvement is really inspiring! I was glad to see also your collage of portraits in your CGPortfolio. Keep up the good work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-19-2006, 07:19 AM
Hey Rebecca

Muchothanx, appreciate the comments! Was going after Mr. Burt in that sketch, glad you liked it! Saw some coloured stuff in your thread - will go comment once I have time, but it looked awesome. Will also get back to doing some more heads once possible..

just another doodle before I head off to college - inspired by but not referenced from the Phantom of the Opera.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060719.jpg

This one is too jittery and iffy, c&c would be appreciated!
ciao

- d.

demented
07-19-2006, 10:37 PM
Sup

two more doodles, doing some character designs as part of a character-modelling assignment, will be posting lots more. It's painfully obvious that these are inspired by Wes, but it's also obviously painful to try and compete with his level of skill... like all the previous doodles these are from imagination:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060719InventorandTheAwesomeBirdman.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060719MeleeAssassin.jpg

c&c welcome
ciao

- d.

Icey
07-19-2006, 10:42 PM
this last guy rocks d.! :) so is the one inspired by the movie!
i see a lot of progress here! And what's most remarkable is that your traditional skills are stronger and stronger! :)

cheers dude!

Icey

Rebeccak
07-20-2006, 03:56 PM
demented,

I read that you are headed off to college ~ will this be your first year? My apologies, it's hard for me to keep track of everyone...but I wish you the best and hope you have a great semester! What will you be taking, art~wise? :)

I really think these latest pencil studies are looking good. Lots of potential, I think doing dedicated anatomy and life studies will really help. Looking forward to seeing much more! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-20-2006, 04:30 PM
Heya peeps!

Icey: Muchothanx man - appreciate the comments, especially from skilled guys like you. cheers mate!

Rebeccak: Yep - started now with the third semester of my first year. I'm doing Visual Communication - lotsa fun but of course very intense.

The anatomy in these are still very dodgy, but I simply don't have time to make too detailed studies - need around 20 more of these by next week tuesday, along with a shitload of other things I need to do. At best I'll get round to Bridgman for these ones.

But I'm glad you see potential - really want to push my pencilania much further. Muchthanx for dropping by, Rebecca, always a pleasure.

ciao peeps

- d.

razz
07-20-2006, 05:14 PM
Very nice doodles, Demented. Great to see you pushing your pencil skills :thumbsup: So, these designs are for modeling? You're going to choose one or few and model? You know, that's what I was thinking all day today. Make a design of my own and then make a 3d version of it. I'd love to see you doing it.

Now in my opinion the best is the four-handed guy/beast and the standing guy from the last sketch.

If you ARE going to model one of your designs, I can't wait to see that!

SpiritDreamer
07-20-2006, 05:55 PM
HEY....Demented.....GOOD LUCK WITH SCHOOL....:thumbsup:

You have come a long ways, in a short time, in this forum....some really great progress shown:applause:

REALLY like that Phantom of the Opera drawing ....the design is great....always go with what really inspires your imagination, and you'll never be let down...:)

I think that when you have time, you should continue to play around with Z BRUSH. It is a great, and quick way to study facial expression, which is key, if you are dealing with human emotion ect. in your concepts....just renew your demo, when you get situated...:)

Well....KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK....REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEEING MORE...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
07-21-2006, 12:04 AM
Yo peeps

razz: Muchothanx man, appreciate you dropping by! Would really like to see you design your own character and model it too - think it's a great idea and you should grab it by the balls. Will be doing many more concepts, which will first need to be approved before I can choose one to model. Really looking forward to completing this assignment.

SpiritDreamer: Always great to have you here Glenn, and muchothanx for the kind words. I'm easily inspired - which is sometimes bad as I tend to copy and not interpret my inspiration. To tell the truth, I am itching to get into z-brush and do something proper, but I'm just not finding the time. Usually end up doing 3-d doodles that look like farm-yard roadkills, but I'll definitely get back asap. Thanx for stopping by!

two more doodles and adding some colour to an existing one. Crits and comments on these would be greatly appreciated, as I'm not really happy with what's happening with these quick designs:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060721twoinone.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060721Assassincolour.jpg

c&c is like coffee - g'me some.
ciao

- d.

Trunks
07-21-2006, 02:26 AM
Ok, I hate coffee.... but I'l give you some cc ;)

The colored images looks like you used hard brushes with low opacity ... maybe try to use more opacitiy ... maybe even 100% and then when you want to put some highlights and shadows use lower opacity ... especially his girth looks like you started with to little opacity.
The rest of him looks better!

Keep it up!

Rebeccak
07-21-2006, 06:36 AM
demented,

I think mainly you need to really study structure in close detail ~ the faces at the small size you are drawing them lack depth, and the full figures seem unfinished ~ really I think the best approach is to do detailed studies of individual features as you can ~ such as the eyes, nose, lips, chin, ears, etc., as I think you are better at drawing bodies atm than faces. :) Would like to see you push the realism of your characters and the only way to do that is to buckle down to some anatomy and structural studies.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

demented
07-21-2006, 04:38 PM
Thanx guys

Trunks: Thanx mate, but hating coffee is like refusing to breathe, and trying to get through life without coffee is like trying to swim accross The Pacific in a wheelchair :D. The brush was hard, but it was also high opacity. I purposefully selected pale colours as to not fight too much with the graphite base, but your crit is well founded, I'll take a look at it.

Rebecca: Thanx a bunch - always appreciate your crits. As I've said I'm pushed for time, but I think some studies into these features will be possible a bit later today. Muchthanx for dropping by.

Will get round to both your threads as soon as I can.

For now, here is a doodle design I'm busy with, but the more I go along the less I know what I want to do with it:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060721doodle-2.jpg

c&c always welcome!
ciao peeps

- d.

demented
07-22-2006, 03:04 PM
Yo peeps

one more character design, this one for a project that requires you to blend animal and human characteristics. Figure i'd make the dude bigger than the bear...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/070722Bearendition.jpg

c&c welcome
ciao

- d.

Rebeccak
07-22-2006, 03:13 PM
demented,

While I like your shading style a lot, the main thing that I think you need to do with these sketches is to start from a looser base, and gradually and organically build the form up on top. A key thing to do is to draw the gestural center line of the figures, as on the last one and in other drawings I've noticed that this center line is frequently lost. Remember that the most important thing in a drawing is the gesture as that is the essentially the expression of the life of the drawing ~ with a more or less dead gesture, you will have a more or less dead drawing, no matter how much rendering you place on top. In your figure drawing classes, do you do short format gesture drawings? I encourage you to approach these character sketches with the same mentality ~ sweeping gesture first, build form on top after.

EDIT: The key thing I see missing from your studies are structural studies. I think that copying from masters like Bridgeman, Hogarth, etc. will really inform your drawings from imagination much more.

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-22-2006, 11:50 PM
Hey

Muchothanx thanx for that Rebecca - truly really appreciate all your support. So this update is for you - structural studies. Lost a bit time soing them, but I think they'll pay off wonderfully and I'm really glad I did them. I see what you mean with dead, and even though these do start out fairly gesturally, I'll try as best I can to improve on that, give them more believable movement and poses. Muchthanx, posted some of the structural studies I did:

these are fairly rough, and are just copied from the book. But they have given quite a bit more insight into the human anatomy:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/070722study1.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/070722study2.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/070722study3.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/070722study4.jpg

Sorry about the bad quality - cheap paper, so everything behind it shows through.
c&c or any tips to how these should be approached or implemented would be appreciated!
ciao!

- d.

Intervain
07-23-2006, 12:31 AM
those designes of yours are pretty creepy :eek:

I really like the anatomy sketches - sweet!:thumbsup:

krispee
07-23-2006, 09:17 AM
hey, Demented, first saw your work on the 50 head study, nice to see your anatomy thread.....great imagination you have and some great work on the character sketches....i love your B&W studies of the busts on the 50 head study.......anyway, keep it up dude, you`re doing well and really improving, Rebecca, has given you some great advice....


kris

razz
07-23-2006, 11:14 AM
Great job with the last studies, Demented. And I really like your concepts. Rebecca already gave you great tips, so I don't have anything more to add. Id like to point to a great artist, from whom you should get a lot of inspiration for your work. His name is Kevil Llewellyn and he does something trully amazing! You can find his work here (http://www.kevart.com/pages/menu_pg.html). Keep up with the studies and concepts! Ah yes, and how many concepts are you going to draw before the modeling?

Rebeccak
07-23-2006, 04:29 PM
demented,

Wow, it's fantastic to see these studies! :thumbsup: You really seem to have a strong affinity with Bridgeman's work, and I would love to see fill a sketchbook with these types of studies. Looking forward to much more! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
07-23-2006, 10:47 PM
Wow - muchothanx for the replies peeps

Intervain: Thanx! Glad you found them to be creepy - these kind responses are always appreciated. Maybe you'll be able to give me some tips when I start to model my character!

krispee: Muchothanx, appreciate the comments - glad you liked my heads. Thanx for stopping by!

razz: Muchothanx bro - just checked out Kevin's stuff and damn he is good - why didn't anyone tell me about him before!? Apart from Rebecca who hinted at him ... he's a definite talent, but I still prefer Wes' lively energetic and imaginitive works - rocks my boat. I'll be drawing as many as I can - around 20 I think - of which the lecturer will approve one for modeling.

Rebecca: Thanx for dropping by Becca - and muchothanx for the comments! Like the way Bridgman explain and breaks down. I need to get myself a proper sketchbook, and I'll immediately start filling it with Bridgman and Loomis. I still need to push out another 10-15 of these before Wednesday, but I'll see how many studies I can get to. Currently I am referencing certain areas from Bridgman and Marko Djurdjevic - really like the way he handles his anatomy. Thanx for dropping by and for the invaluable tips - I can't tell you how much I appreciate all this help!

Not sure what to make with this dude, but this is the "Maniac Under Construction" - hence those bars all over him. "Maniac Under Construction" was, however, not the original idea, and I'm going to play around with the concept some more...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/070724Maniacunderconstruction.jpg

c&c would be appreciated!
ciao!

- d.

Intervain
07-23-2006, 11:14 PM
anytime m8 - it'd be a pleasure!

now that guy - not only is he disturbing but also freaking awesome - I love that mouthhole - he sure'd be sweet to model and texture!

Frejasphere
07-24-2006, 11:51 AM
Hey demented :)

Seen your work on the 50 heads and enjoyed surfing these personal threads.. as I'm a new member, it's a bit of an ocean ;) you have some really cool ideas and seen heaps of progress in your work since you first posted your personal :bounce: keep it up!

I tend to find that getting willing friends to pose in awkward ways is a great help with any form of drawing... You have the advantage of looking at a 3D form (even though it's for a limited time depending on how long you can bribe them with coffee or otherwise to stand, sit, leap through the air for you ;) where shadows and the halted movement becomes more obvious than when looking at a flat image :) If you see someone in the street and they fit what you are looking for... perhaps try asking.. you never know, many would be flattered, and you can always do a quick sketch and then take a snapshot to keep working from...

that was just my 2 cents worth, your latest studies on paper are looking really good :thumbsup:
I so agree with you on the coffee thing: it's necessary and bittersweet (yet I have mine black :D) so a good attitude that helps learning tremendously :)

cheers a. :)

SpiritDreamer
07-24-2006, 12:36 PM
Hi....Demented....:)

I notice you are having a problem with the forams....study the two bones from elbow to wrist...key.
When the palm is facing up, ...the two bones are...side by side
When the palm is facing down, the two bones...crisscross...forming an ...X
On that last drawing...run a line from the outside of the elbow, to the thumb side of wrist.
That line will represent the top bone of the ...X.... and will devide the muscles corectly on the
forarm.
If you can get a cheap small skeleton...joke shop...art store or wherever...get one....will make your studies with anatomy that much easier...especially when you go to creating a figure from
your imagination...:)
Hope these little tips help...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
07-25-2006, 06:04 AM
demented,

I agree with Glenn that you are getting lost with the specifics ~ the only way to remedy this is to continue to draw from Reference and to do Anatomical studies specifically. Every drawing helps, particularly ones that are detailed ~ since you have taken on a fine pencil rendering style, you might try doing more anatomical studies in pencil, rather than the softer medium you appeared to use for the Bridgeman studies ~ the only way to learn the specifics of anatomy is to chart them in your mind via copying from Reference and from Life. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Mu
07-25-2006, 08:21 AM
When the palm is facing up, ...the two bones are...side by side
When the palm is facing down, the two bones...crisscross...forming an ...X
On that last drawing...run a line from the outside of the elbow, to the thumb side of wrist.
That line will represent the top bone of the ...X.... and will devide the muscles corectly on the
forarm.


damn! I need a Glenn-o-mat in this forum to tell me when Glenn posts, so I dont run the risk of missing valuable hints like this one...:thumbsup:

demented, man! I really like your structural studies... and your post titles...:scream:

always a pleasure dropping by in this thread...:)

demented
07-25-2006, 05:26 PM
Woah - thanx for the replies peeps!

Intervain: Thanx! Glad you found him creepy! Will start modelling one of these concepts within the next two or three weeks, looking forward to your crits on it!

Frejasphere: Thanx mate. Drawing from life is definitely advantageous, especially when trying to breathe life back into your drawing. Marko Djurdjevic commented just the other day that one should not sit hours on end in front of books, but get out, enjoy yourself, and bring that life back into your drawings. I've been thinking of just taking my sketchbook and going through streets sketching people, but it a bit of a safety hazzard here in SA.... Thanx for the props mate!

SpiritDreamer: Aye Glenn, having HUGE difficulties trying to translate bridgman into my own style, so I've gotten Andrew Loomis's "Figure Drawing for All it's worth" to aid. Been doing more studies and I think I'm getting closer... didn't realise the anatomy on that one was so crap until people started pointing it out ....:eek:. Thanx for the props and the quick lesson man!

Rebecca: Heya Becca - thanx for the help! Yeah, I'm experiencing difficulites translating bridgman into my own style, but I've done some studies since and I think I'm starting to get into it. Will post these studies a bit later, plus Ive gotten "Figure Drawing for all it's worth" to translate where Bridgman doesn't. Think having as many different takes on the subject will also help lots, not just a whole nucha stadies from one dude. Thanx for stopping by Rebecca! Always appreciate your help!

Mu: Thanx Mu, and there are tons and tons of tips and tuts on these forums and other forums - always helpful. Thanx for stopping by Mu!

Replies and rating will be dealt to all of you soon....

todays updates - character designs that had to combine an animal and a human being into one character. Whilst the execution wasn't exactly backbreakin, thinking of original mixes proved hard - they always feel cliches, no matter what you do....

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060724ravengirl.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060724crabwoman.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060724buffaloboy.jpg

Rebecca told me not to mix traditiobal and digital, but the light quality in my room is so bad and my camera sucks so much that I was practically forced to dodge some places just to get the lighting going. Sorry Becca :blush: ...

c&c would be appreciated peeps, trying to go places with my graphite, can only happen with lotsa coffee!

ciao peeps, return replies and ratings soon if not already!

- d.

razz
07-25-2006, 06:09 PM
I like teh last one the most, only I would've widen the shoulders a bit. I think those horns make him look the most like a beastie :) I believe they look even better in real. Now the photos knock down the quality. You need a printer, man! Looking forward to you modeling one of these :thumbsup:

demented
07-26-2006, 10:13 PM
Sup Razz

thanx for the props dude! Yep, really need to work on my anatomy....

Today's update is a prelude to character that will be modelled - have called him "hitchhiker on the highway to hell" for no apparent reason. Played around with the anatomy to get a freaky effect (eg hipbones), so there are some obvious deviations apart from the billions of mistakes :P

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/drawinweb.jpg

Did a digital on him as a sorta warm-up, as I will be doing the next concept also in digital format as well as traditional:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/drdigif.jpg

c&c would be appreciated!
ciao!

- d.

SpiritDreamer
07-26-2006, 11:43 PM
HEY...Demented....:thumbsup:

REALLY like that raven woman.....great feel to that one...beautiful line, shadow, composition ect.....:applause:
Was wondering if you have any Burne Hogarth books....if not,you should get them.He is the one
who can help you the most I think,when it comes to creating figures from your own imagination,
...his specialty.....:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
07-28-2006, 05:10 PM
Yo peeps

Glenn: Thanx man, glad you like it. Nope, don't have anything by Burne, think I'll get myself one of his books - any recommendations as to a specific book are welcome! My aim is to draw the figure from the mind - no reference. Thanx for stopping by!

This is the final creature design and will be the one I'm going to model, it's not really anything new, just merging two older concepts and playing around with stuff:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/MayaFinalDrawing.jpg

and the digi:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/MayaFinalDigi.jpg

This one is Photoreffed from a pic on the Massive Black website, thought I migh add it just to break the monotony some. This one isn't as well drawn, mainly because it was done around midnight after a loong day. Think Welsey Burt did this one too sometime, almost sure of it:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060728Photoref.jpg

c&c welcome!
ciao!

- d.

SpiritDreamer
07-28-2006, 06:32 PM
Hi...Demented...:)

DYNAMIC ANATOMY is a good start, that book leads into the second book you should get, which is DYNAMIC FIGURE DRAWING...Those should keep you busy for awhile...:scream:
All of his books are great, I have the whole set myself, and always find myself searching thru them to find the answers to problem figures that I am trying to creat from imagination.
It is a matter of learning the princables that he teaches, rather than imatating his style.
I had him as a teacher years ago, and learned the most about drawing the human figure using my own imagination from him.....he put everything he knew into his books..deffenitly treasures.:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Frejasphere
07-29-2006, 03:41 AM
Hiya Demented :)


Cool to pop back and see what's happening in your fast moving thead ;)

Like the concept of your creature, and some of the shading and background are really coming together :) There's just something about his posture that bothers me a little... it's like he's suspended in mid-air, not really leaping or flying... Perhaps that's the way you want him... in which case I do apologize :shrug:

If you wanted him to be intimidating and sort of pouncing... putting more emphasis on his thighs, bending legs at the knees slightly so the claws on his legs become more dramatic - would make him look more like an attacker. Describing his strength and movement. Looking at dynamic anatomy.. and Hogarth... and if you could get a friend :D to pose hmmm know it's a hard pose...

Anyway... look forward to seeing more :)

cheers a. :)

razz
07-29-2006, 09:24 AM
You've improved the character from the first sketch, which is great. On to the modeling now? Lookings forward to that. One question, are the colors in the digital piece painted the way it will be in 3d? Ok some more questions. As you've come now to the modeling stage, how are you going to do it? Model him in pose like in the sketch or in the T pose and then rig and pose him? How about the orthographic drawings? Are you going to draw them to make the modeling easier? Enough for now :)

krispee
07-29-2006, 01:26 PM
really like these last few more conceptual sketches, nice departure and shows you are getting to grips with anatomy as well.....nice style and the digital concepts are coming along as well.....been trying to do more of that sort of thing myself but it`s not easy!


kris

demented
07-30-2006, 03:48 PM
Wow - thanx for the replies peeps:

SpiritDreamer: Muchothanx for the info Glenn, will try to get Dynamic Anatomy as soon as I've got some extra cash! You were actually a student of Burne's??

Frejasphere: Muchthanx man - yeah he's supposed to be suspended, but most of the others aren't suppose to be like that. Thanx for tips though, they're stiull very useful! cya round, thanx for stopping by!

razz: Thanx for dropping by mate! This digital version is the one I will be using as reference to do all the details and to get the feel right, so that's why its coloured. Not sure if I'll be getting to texturing though. I will do him in the T-pose, with orthographic drawings for reference, but I don't think I'll post them - they'll be quick and functional only.

krispee: Thanx man, and thanx for stopping by. Glad to hear my anatomy is looking better. Thanx for the props!

two portraits, the first one in graphite is a preliminary study for the second, which is done with chracoal. Charcoal one is not finished - well, don't think it is - would like some harsh harsh crits before I finish and hand it in!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060730theselfgraphite.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060730theself.jpg

c&c appreciated!
ciao

- d.

Intervain
07-30-2006, 04:00 PM
nice!!! I prefer the first portrait - the angle of the face seems more correct - although I like the rendering with the charcoal more the way the nose is shaded makes it looks flat... I think you could correct it though without any problems :) I really like the eye in the charcoal one :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
07-30-2006, 04:59 PM
Hi...Demented....:)

Kind of partial to the second face myself...has atmosphere...mystery....the white background
kind of takes away from it though....are you planning on putting the other eye in...just curious:)
In answer to your question about Burne Hogarth
I studied under Burn Hogarth in the late 70's, maybe early 80's at OTIS PARSONS ART INSTITUTE...L.A....been a long time :scream: .....he was a GREAT teacher, and INSPIRATION...that much I do remember....One of the best teachers I ever had...and the one that I learned the most from, when it comes to CREATING the human form....made us work bigger than life....using conte crayon on newsprint paper in class .... worked from models in class...His first assignment ... go home and creat a figure from imaginatin, that is eight feet tall,...had to buy a roll of paper,...the kind that is used to mask windows ect. by house painters...four feet across , and tape two sheets...ten feet high // four feet wide...side by side
no shorthand or fakeing it when you work that big ...:eek:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

krispee
07-30-2006, 09:46 PM
interesting partial studies, i also like the first one, more of a classical look to it, the second looks quite sinister, the light in the eye is very good....
are you going to finish them or keep them partial?

kris

Mal-1
07-30-2006, 10:32 PM
I'm with the second study group...full of atmosphere, and that eye is intense...real character.

I really like them in this unfinished state, the different mark making in the second is outstanding, the thin line of the pencil playing off the marks of the charcoal. Brilliant, nice work.

Frejasphere
07-31-2006, 03:08 AM
Hey again Demented :)

Cool and thanks for clearing up the suspended bit ;) hope I didn't barge in :blush: :)

Charcoal study is my favourite, be careful to not turn the shaded area near nose into a defined outline of a triangle.. Looking good around the eye, good expression and yes, curious to see if you put the other eye and background in...

keep it up and always exciting to pop by here :bounce:

Take care and cheers
a. :)

demented
07-31-2006, 10:15 PM
Yo peeps, muchthanx for all the replies!

Intervain: Muchthanx, appreciate the props! Glad to hear you like the pencil, good to hear my pencilania is actually getting somewhere!

SpiritDreamer: Thought you may like the one with stronger atmosphere, glad you do. You studies under Hogarth? That's fascinating, though and 8 foot drawing sound like a schlep to me. Must have been fantastic practice though! To tell the truth I'm a bit jealous - but atleast this explains everythings that's going on your insane thread .... well most of it. Thanx for dropping by!

krispee: Thanx man, glad you like! Will keep them partial - rendering everything often takes the life out of the drawing and kills it for me. I want to keep it active, bussing, breathing. But I still have lots to learn in this department! Thanx for stopping by!

Mal-1: Thanx man - I'm really humbled by those words coming from you! Glad you liked it!

Frejasphere: No worries - there's no such thing as barging in on these forums - if you put your work up here you need to take what comes your way, good or ill. Plus it was helpful in identifying a mistake - muchthanx! Glad you liked the portrait - posted the final here, and thanx for dropping by!

Return replies soon if not already!

Miniscule update - finished the portrait, not much a changed though. c&c still welcome!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060801portraitfinal.jpg

ciao peeps!

- d.

SulaMoon
07-31-2006, 11:09 PM
:eek: its alive!!!1one

Wow, amazing, it looks so alive. I think I liked the the last version a bit more, It was.. a bit more creepy.

You have a wonderful and creative thread here - keep it up! Im watching!

demented
08-03-2006, 04:33 PM
Sup peeps,

Sulamoon: Thanx man, glad you like. Also like the previous a bit more, to be honest, but my lecturer want to see more rendering on these.... thanx for stopping by, will return the favour asap.

Doodle, maybe unfinished, maybe not - might go on with it; paper has a lot of dents and dips, gives and awkward pattern...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060803urbanmyth.jpg

trying on some colours:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060803coloururbanmyth.jpg

and a reference pic from a photo on the MassiveBlack website:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060803photorefflamegirl.jpg

turned out rather wierd...
c&c would be appreciated!
ciao!

- d.

razz
08-03-2006, 09:10 PM
Very great, I like the almost colored version :) I'm so looking forward to start drawing something of mine own, now it's just studies. I like the stuff you're doing here. If you're trying to color a pencil drawing, you should really give a try at painters digital watercolor brushes. It's a technique Puddnhead uses, take a look at the gnomon dvds if you have a chance and if you're interested in it.

Keep up with these studies, I really like them. Don't ever stop!

Mu
08-04-2006, 08:48 AM
hi there,

the rendering on the charcoal portrait rocks. Your technique in general seems very efficient and striking to me. This, combined with the last bits of more certainty about anatomy and stuff, and you'll rock the freakin house.

and, erm yea....still lovin the way you post your posts....:D

I am thinkin of havin a T-shirt made which says " ...'sup! " on the front...:scream:

demented
08-04-2006, 04:19 PM
Yo dudes

razz: Thanx man, appreciate the props dude. Just got Painter 9, and I used the technique briefly as you suggested - quite pleased with the type of results I'm getting! This one is still very fast, might still try a more rendered one later. Thanx for the suggestion mate! Don't have access to Gnomon DVD's, will check out Puddnhead asap. thanx for dropping by dude!

Mu: Thanx dude! Glad you like, but there's still so much more to learn before I can rock anyone's house... Glad you like my writing too - makes me want to take up writing again. Think I'll have one of those t-shirts too :D. Cheers dude!

Nother doodle from the realms of doodelania. Any tips on composition would be appreciated....

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060804openframe.jpg

And playing around with Painter's digital watercolours..... just fun really:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060804colouropenframe.jpg

c&c always welcome, hope you like!
ciao!

- d.

Trunks
08-04-2006, 05:04 PM
The mouth looks very small too me ... also his skin color is a litte too yellow (just my oppinion).

Keep it up!

SpiritDreamer
08-04-2006, 05:46 PM
Hi...Demented...:thumbsup:

Nice to see you exploring painter #9 ....you might want to check out pages #12, 13, and 14,
on my anatomy thread...might give you ideas for using watercolors....I used just the plain
watercolors in painter #9...very bottom of menu...I like the wet and runny brushes...great
effects....make brushes really big, and watch the magic happen...:scream: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Intervain
08-04-2006, 05:59 PM
nice experiments :) :thumbsup:

Frejasphere
08-05-2006, 05:41 AM
Hey demented :)

looks like doodelania is a fun place to be :) like your experiments and will be exciting to see where they take you :)

take care
a. :)

Rebeccak
08-05-2006, 07:39 PM
demented,

Eek I'm finally back! I see you've done a lot of nice work while I was gone...great to see that! I think you're on a good path and I'm excited to see what you do next. Keep after those Anatomy Studies! ;)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

demented
08-05-2006, 11:23 PM
Am humbled by your responses peeps - don't where I will find the time to get back to all of you, but will try soon!

Trunks: Fatter people's mouth are usually smaller, and with the supposed expression his mouth should not stretch far beyond the horizonatal length of his nose .. the colours at this time are compositional and abstract, just playing around and slapping them on - will get to more detailed ones later. Thanx for the crit.

SpiritDreamer: Ha - your sketchbook is like an online manual! Have tried out the usual ones - great effect but not to my liking for immedaite painting. I am a control freak with regard to mediums, but I think that using these for the block-in will create something interesting! Thanx for the tips Glenn, always appreciated!

Intervain: Thanx!

Frejasphere: Thanx - and yes I am intrigued where they will take me too. I am trying to compose on the go - as you can see it isn't easy for me - but the journey is always rewarding, muchthanx for stopping by!

Rebecca: Hey welcome back! Glad to hear you enjoyed siggraph - the photos looked amazing, Boston is beautiful. Thanx for the props! Am doing anatomy studies more often now, but I'm not posting them - they are often too light and difficult to photograph. Always looks crappy. Currently taking a look at Loomis! Cya round!

K, thought I might post this potrait wip - need some crits on this one before I hand it in... any advice would be appreciated!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060806portraitoftheself-1.jpg

Zoom out a bit and starts to look like Russle Crow to me..... :curious::argh:


ciao!

- d.

Intervain
08-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Oh I love that eye on the left - you really got the hang of drawing eyes to look moist :thumbsup:

I think the bottom part of the nose [don't know what it's called to be honest - that part above the lips] looks too pushed to the front - I mean that dark nose hole should go back a bit more - like the sides of the nose do... ehem ... sorry I should start learning English anatomical terms ... I cannot speak clearly...

Icey
08-08-2006, 01:31 AM
hehe! Dude! this is the road to the top! ;)

rblitz7
08-08-2006, 01:50 AM
Those eyes look really nice!:thumbsup: the lips might be a tad small.

demented
08-08-2006, 11:29 PM
Yo peeps!

Intervain: Thanx! I see what you are seeing - will post an update of this one soon, where some of these things are fixed! Thanx for dropping by!

Icey: Ha - yes I can see your footprints here, must be the right way. Thanx for the props dude!

rblitz7: Thnx! - dead on bout those lips, will get fixed! cheers!

K, now we get to some really mediocre updates, none of them truly finished. Hopefully some proper updates soon!

As mentioned, I laid my grubby paws on painter for the first time ever, and am trying to get the hang of it:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060808barbarian.jpg

A tribal-leader-pirate-witchical-doctor-shaman-monkey type of creature thingy...the concept needs some work.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060808Jack.jpg

And having a go at a very underrated theme: Gypsies!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060808Gypsy.jpg

It's still a wip, and it's very messy, more work and colouring on it later!
c&c welcome of course!

ciao peeps!

- d.

razz
08-09-2006, 12:14 AM
Great try on Painter there! I like it. And you're doing a wonderfull job with all these pencil works. But now as I've seen the Painter one, it would be nice to see some concepts done with it. Just quick scribbles. I believe you could do an excellent piece. Good luck :)

SpiritDreamer
08-09-2006, 02:15 AM
HEY....Demented....:thumbsup:

Those last few drawings look great....really like your gypsy concept, and that shaman...:thumbsup:
Glad to see you got PAINTER...WILL BE GREAT TO SEE WHERE YOU GO WITH IT....:)
If you want to, check out page #26 in my anatomy thread...towards the bottom of that page, you'll find a way to make great crystal balls....a little tutorial that I put put together for Icey...using PAINTER.....Might be useful to you , with your gyspy concepts..:shrug:
If you have any questions on that shere and lighting,...if you decide to try it ..you know where to reach me, be more than happy to help...:)
Keep up the GREAT work...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
08-11-2006, 01:13 AM
Yo dudes

razz: Thanx man, glad you like it. Will try out painter some more soon, feels like a lot to get used to. Feels a lot different than photoshop... thanx for dropping by dude!

SpiritDreamer: Hi Glenn. Thanx a bunch! Remember the crystal ball. Think I'll use it and then do a paintover - muchthanx for the tips and adivce, I really truly appreciate all the help! Will definitely let you know if there if there is something that I want to know that you know, so that you know I would like to know what you know about that which I do not know, afterwhich you may knowingly inform me and put me in the know :D. Thanx again Glenn - apprecaite it all tons!


Now to some more middle-class updates. Hopefully I'll be able to squeeze out something proper soon, not just more doodles...

Saw the second Pirates of the Carribean movie yesterday, and of course no inspiration goes by without its fair share of tribute paid. Tried my best to work from the inside out and unify line and value, though in practice these concepts feel very vague; CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow, savvy?

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060811Jack.jpg

and a doodle, might expand on this one later:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060811Brokenwings.jpg

c&c alwyas welcome, hope you like!
ciao peeps! Return visits soon!

- d.

Mu
08-11-2006, 08:37 AM
Hey demented!

'sup

:D

I really like your Jack Sparrow, great likeness while putting a lot of your own interpretation in it.

Question: do the pencil drawings have to remain in this half shaded state because you prefer to leave the rest to our imagination (i.e., you prefer to suggest rather than to render), or are you sort of looking for a drawing that catches your interest strongly enough to fully render it?

As a viewer, I am sorta fine with both approaches, I was just wondering.

demented
08-11-2006, 10:11 AM
Sup!

Mu: Thanx Mu, appreciate the kind words. Currently I am trying to work on drawing in such a way that it won't look unfinished, or at least that the viewer does not expect to see the drawing finished. Mentler works in this way and it makes the drawing so much better... but I often get carreid away with line, and then this unfinished look seeps in. My aim is to communicate what I want to communicate, so it differs from drawing to drawing... Anyways, enough of my bullsh1t: Thanx for dropping by dude!

Just thought I might add this one, trying to get the hang of painter, can't get much right. Coloured version of CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow, savvy?

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060811Jackincolour.jpg

Any tips on using painter would also be welcome, as would c&c! Thanx!

ciao!

- d.

SpiritDreamer
08-11-2006, 11:16 AM
Hey....Demented....:thumbsup:

I like both the drawing and the painting of the pirate.
The viniette type of drawing you are partial to can be found on all sorts of paperback book covers, that have to leave room for type ect....you might take a look at a bunch of them,..might give you ideas that you hadn't thought about yet.
In Painter, in the brush section, there is a section at bottom of list called Tinting...in there, is
a brush called Softener....vary the size of brush according to how much of an edge or area you want to soften....might work weil on your pirate painting, along the hard edge of his face.
Good to have variations of hard and soft edges in your painting....creates depth...ect.
That brush will get rid of any jaggedness that happens along edges, without destroying the edge like the blenders tend to do. The Softener brush is what I use to get rid of those jagged edges that Z BRUSH creates...:)
Looks like you are off to a great start with Painter....give yourself room and time to experiment with it, and most of all have fun with it...:bounce: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
08-11-2006, 11:18 PM
Hey Glenn!

Wow - really appreciate the help. Painter is a lota fun, great playing around with it. Will defintely check this brush out - really don't like those jagged edges at all. Will also check out the book covers as you suggested - the are great ideas to be found in everything. Thanx for the props!

K, updates:

Some more playing around with painter, got a bit inspired by Mandryk's latest.
"March of the Ancients":

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060811MarchoftheAncients.jpg

photoreffed:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060811dressingorundressing-1.jpg

And some shitty dooodle:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/0608012doodelania.jpg

c&c always welcome, hope you like!
ciao!

- d.

krispee
08-12-2006, 09:39 AM
hey, D, cooking up some stuff dude, like your painter work, you can keep that up! lol especially Cap`n Jack....pirates was cool wasn`t it?
but your doodle`s are coming along as well......i`m having trouble seeing them completely, that`s my monitor i think, i always have trouble seeing pencil sketches, they appear washed out.....
anyways, keep it up!

kris

demented
08-13-2006, 11:51 AM
Sup! Peeps!

krispee: Thanx a bunch mate - POTC2 was the bomb! You don't understand - love Mr Depp's character more than anyone else could lol. Sorry bout those doodles, I'm always pushing the contrast and brightness on those. Thanx for stopping by!

K, WIP of another portrait study, and trying it out with some colour in Painter too, mazetormer style (well, had max's awesomenessness in mind when I was doing it)!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060813sp.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060813spcol.jpg

c&c welcome, realise the mouth still feels off, will get to fixing that this afternoon.

ciao!

- d.

SpiritDreamer
08-13-2006, 01:20 PM
Hey...Demented....:thumbsup:
Your really starting to get a feel for drama....through the use of lighting and shadow, with color...very powerful mood created in that last one.....GREAT JOB...:bounce: :applause: :thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Mu
08-13-2006, 01:30 PM
Hey D...:D

I am sort of intrigued by the wet look of your pencil drawings. You don't add water to them, do you? Looks great.
You know, I have been thinking that maybe the suggestive and open look would look less like unfinished if you would leave the forms open, too. Right now, most of the time you close the forms (like the outline of that last head). But if you would just not go there at all I would have to use my imagination more than now where I see you definitely outlining the form, but leaving the shading up to the viewer.

urgh...hard to convey what I mean in english. Hope you get it...:D


That painter overpaint is freakin awesome. Looks wet, too and very transparent! Which variants did you use?

Frejasphere
08-13-2006, 02:39 PM
Hi again :)

Oh that painted version of head is looking awesome :thumbsup: great choice of colour and shading, you're really going places with this :) right about the mouth.. and to me his nose looks a bit broken... with that dip being more than a dip... But the rest... WOW! the eyes are really good! great expression and the colour makes the face take on volume, mood, the lot! great to see :applause:

take care and keep doing what you're doing :) oh.. and hmmm... I do understand the Cptn Sparrow thing :D

a. :)

razz
08-13-2006, 08:14 PM
You've done some great stuff while I was gone. Good to see that. I like the doodles and the "March of the Ancients" is looking really well. Great to know you liked Painter. Amazing tool if you ask me. Keep up with it.

Cyanid
08-13-2006, 10:38 PM
hi demented,

good work on that last portrait! nice lightning/ texture, really catching!
like the colors as well, looking forward to your improvements.

keep it up!

-Cya

demented
08-14-2006, 04:38 PM
Yo peeps!

Thanx for all the replies! Really appreciate it!

SpiritDreamer: Thanx Glenn - heartwarming to hear those words come from you! Muchthanx for all the help, glad to hear you like!

Mu: Get exactly what you mean - it's something that sometimes works, and sometime not, but you are defintiely right. That is what I need to do more of - my problem being I tend to get carried away with line.

Frejasphere: Thanx! The broken nose is due to one of the highlight that got destroyed, very subtle but enough to make it look bad - tried to fix but it made the nose look worse. But thanx for the compliments! - really appreciate the positive feedback!

razz: Ah, damn I feel bad - completely forgot to get back to your thread: checked out and the updates look superb, will make proper round later! Thanx for the props man, really appreciate it!

Cyanid: Thanx dude, glad you like, grateful for the props

K - updates!

Unexcitingly finished the portrait - not much I think, just thought I might post...:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060814spf.jpg

Doodle I'm busy with - so many unfinished stuff lying round, shit need to finish something...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060814doodelania.jpg

playing around with markers between classes...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060814markers.jpg


c&c welcome, hope you like! Return vists soon (hopefully)!
ciao!

- d.

Mal-1
08-14-2006, 04:50 PM
Well D I have got to say your recent stuff is blowing me away, I especially like the sketch of the asian girl draped in fabric, and the coloured charcoal piece is great...keep up the good work.

razz
08-14-2006, 06:15 PM
You've got strong with your stuff from imagination. After seeing your new doodles here and reading what you've writen at my thread, I'm really keen now on doing some of my own stuff. From imagination. I was at the capital city of my country and got some markers and sketchbooks there, so about time to try them out. Thanks for pushing me forward.

demented
08-15-2006, 05:40 PM
Yo dudes

Mal-1: Likewise man - glad you like these!

razz: Go for it man! Glad I could help, thanx for stopping by and for the kind words!

Just a tiny update - fineshed version of that doodle, "steam":

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060814steam.jpg

c&c welcome!
ciao!

- d.

SpiritDreamer
08-16-2006, 01:19 PM
HEY....Demented....:thumbsup:

Really like where you are going with that last doodle....carving the figures out of darkness in
some areas, and vaporizing them into the light in other areas....NICE...:thumbsup:
Also really like that little face you did above the marker drawing...the one at the top of that page...face looking down.....GREAT little rendering....and mood captured in that one....:applause: :thumbsup:

GREAT to see you using your imagination in conjuntion with your master studies...GREAT COMBINATION.....THE ONE HAS ENHANCED THE OTHER ...:bounce:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

demented
08-16-2006, 03:13 PM
Hey thanx Glenn, been making a concious effort to incorporate the two fields, great to hear it's paying off! Thanx a bunch for the props!

Thought I might post this WIP - started out as an Android styled portrait, but it's going other places. This where it is now:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/portraitofajawlessconsumor2web.jpg

hope you like, c&c is of course still welcome!
ciao!

- d.

razz
08-16-2006, 08:46 PM
I like your stuff more and more each time I get here and see something new. Very nice! The painting here could be pushed a lot further and become an amazing peace. Great start with it. Or maybe I just love this kind of stuff? :arteest: The finished drawing looks great too. I especially like the girl. Be sure to do more of this!

demented
08-19-2006, 02:06 PM
Yo, thanx razz! Glad you like 'em. Think I'll take this painting a lot further, which is unusual becasue most of the time I don't finish anything.

K:

update on the painting:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/portraitofajawlessconsumor4.jpg

speedpainting:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060819speedy.jpg

and a doodle, "fragments":

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060819fragmentedflashes.jpg

c&c always welcome!
ciao!

- d.

krispee
08-19-2006, 02:17 PM
hey man love some of those speedies......especially the guy with the red stripes.....

kris

razz
08-19-2006, 10:20 PM
Keep pushing the striped one further! You could make the mouth area more clear. Tentacles or something, now I don't get it. The new speedpaint looks great. The textures look great on it. Is it just a brush? Do you mind telling how you've done that? Because I try to make the backgrounds grainier in my paintings, but it doesn't work for me.

The doodle looks fine. Not finished yet, m?

Keep up with the great work you're doing :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer
08-19-2006, 11:36 PM
Hi...Demented....:)

I was just thinking that it would be great to see you incorporate a classical figure or two, into your drawings from your imagination....maybe have them as giant sculptures,or whatever,.. like those two giant figures in lord of the rings,...along the river....but set in your personal scape....this would allow you to kill two birds with one stone, ...so to speak. You would be learning from the copying of a master work, plus you would be able to use your own imagination.
Just some food for thought...:)
Keep up the great work,...always a pleasure seeing where your mind is traveling...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Frejasphere
08-20-2006, 03:15 PM
Hiya demented :)

I really like these last two paintings :thumbsup: , going interesting places here :) great colours and dramatic feel about both of them!

cheers and take care
a. :)

demented
08-22-2006, 11:05 PM
Man, feel so bad that I'm not getting back to you guys as often as I should .. Thanx for the support!

krispee: Thanx man - everyone seems to be partial to the speedies so I'll be doing less of those and brushing up on my tradtional skills more. Thanx for stopping by!

razz: Thanx man, lot more definition will come into play soon. Used photoshop for the speedy. You might know this, forgive me if you do: right-click on the cnavas, click the arrow in the top right corner of the submenu and select "Wet Media". There, I always use the first 2 or 3, and the sumi-e styled one. Also try out some of the brushes under Dry Media, overlaying these and applying them in different modes such a multiply and overlay usually gives off some great texture. Doodle is not finished and will probably never be finshed lol. thanx for the props!

Spiritdreamer: Thanx Glenn - that's a great suggestion, will try and see how I can incorporate somthing like that into a graphite design - even a painting or so could work. Thanx for the thought - will put it into practice as soon as I have a chance! Cheers!

Frejasphere: Thanx! Glad you like those, establishing an atmosphere is very high in my humble books, since it gives the viewer the oppurtunity to feel or see more than there really is on the page. Thanx for the kind words always! cheers!

Two updates: 1 figure drawing from class, and another crappy doodle from between class - really come out bad with photography, so have mercy on it lol.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060821figuredrawing.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060821phobiac.jpg

c&c welcome!
ciao!

- d.

Cyanid
08-23-2006, 01:54 AM
they have some wes burt feel to them, especially the flying girl, wich looks very very nice.
not sure bout the profile under it...feels kinda flat.
I like the way you just don't care about them and leave them unfinished. I think they are good because they are loose in a pretty way.

-cya

Trunks
08-27-2006, 10:20 AM
Hi demented!
Very nice work here ... I like your style keep it up :)

demented
09-01-2006, 07:52 AM
Thanx dudes

Cyanid: Yep still trying to get away from the flatness. The unfinished feel is something I'm trying get away from, I want to apply rendering only where necessary and still get away with a finished feel. Something to master. Thanx for dropping by.

Trunks: Thanx dude, glad you like!

K, huge update.

Some doodles, update on a painting, lifedrawings, inkwork for college, portrait studies, more dooodles, exploring painter and some 3d work in there, c&c welcome!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060826doublevisionviolinpiece.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/portraitofajawlessconsumor6.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060828lifedrawing.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060828monkeycraps.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060828sp.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060831blow.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060831envirospeediefinal.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060831Scavenger.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/060831Scavenger2.jpg

ciao!

- d.

Mu
09-01-2006, 08:25 AM
sup!

when I browsed through your latest updates I was thinking that I could probably tell your drawings from any other artist's drawings and I think that - whatsoever it is you are trying to achieve apart from that - this is quite an achievement.

to quote Xtina A.

"You got style, you got class..."

:D

Frejasphere
10-13-2006, 10:36 AM
Hiya there... :)

Just thinking it's been a long time no post from you... hope it's just creative work at school keeping you away - and that all's going well!

cheers :)
a. :)

NR43
10-15-2006, 04:14 PM
Yeah that's right.. where is the creator of this kickass thread?
:D

Cris-Palomino
10-15-2006, 06:00 PM
Really wonderful work. I'm still going through all of it, but am very impressed and delighted to see your work.

Cris

demented
10-17-2006, 10:36 PM
Hey peeps

Sorry for dropping dead, lately I've been busy, ill, and busy again.

Mu: You are too kind. that's a great compliment, really flattered, though in truth I still need to arrive at something that is decidedly my style. I'm going to take a look at other types of layering, even incorporating motion blur and stuff like that, to get some more definitition into my works. Thanx for stopping by in any case - always appreciated.

Frejasphere: That's very sweet of you! Yes, busy, ill, and busy again. Our supposed holiday turned out to be loaded with too much work to rest.

NR43: haha - Right here! thanx!

Cris-Palomino: Wow, thanx, you are too kind! Earlier stuff sucks, really weak work please ignore! It's only the last couple of months that I've gotten round to making some leaps.

Anyways, the bad news is I'm goint to get a lot busier, and I'm going to find it hard to make any meaningful contribution until early to mid November. The good news is I'm to start a brand-spanking new thread once I do get into posting again. This one is far to full of mediocrity. Maybe I can also get some stars onto that one.

In the mean-time, here's a rushjob I did for a character thing over at CA.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l174/the_demented_one/demented_chow43_bipolardudesmall-1.jpg

The composition isn't doing it, had no clue what I was doing at the time and I still don't.

ciao peeps!

- d.

razz
10-18-2006, 12:07 PM
Demented!! What a progress from you, man. The latest image show a huge leap forward. I really like the idea of it. What was the topic for it? Great to see it. I like how his legs is disappearing into depth. Amazing, what more to say :bounce:

Frejasphere
10-18-2006, 02:17 PM
Hey :)

Good to see you back! (or even just for a pop in to let us know you are too busy to post :D ) sorry to hear you've been ill, but good that you've been busy - IT SHOWS!! great last piece, agree with Razz, going leaps and bounds here :) the anatomy of this guy is working really great :) Let's hope you find a moment every now and then to update, or we'll just have to be stunned when you do... after another big LEAP ;)

take care and keep (moderately) busy ;)
a. :)

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