Character: Sandtrooper

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Excellenet. Anybody out there know how to paint my Marmit Sandtrooper like this? Really nice mapping job.:thumbsup:

[NileshXYZ]

crap total crap that i am the 1st to replay :)

:eek: like most of you 3D work its just more realistic then ur other work.

good work! btw I want to see some Game ART! on ur website! please :) a sneek peeek please please!

[HieSpike]

very nice....but how about some dirt on the shoulder pad..

hahahaha....love it.

peace,
Kane
:wip:

[Dr.Jones]

Did not remember they were so dirty, but it's realy good anyway. However I remember some sandtrooper had larger blaster, maybe you could make one if you had time...
But this ways is already ok, good lightning, quiet simple, but no more was expect

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

I loaded him up with the infamous ZOO refpack. There are plenty of references where some guys are relatively clean, others are dirty scoundrels. The guys in Mos Eisley tended to be cleaner. Makes sense. If you are desert partrol your stuff is gonna be dirty. BUT... JJ has worked it out so there'll be 2 or 3 diff. dirt packs along with a "black" and "white" cauldron too. And another thing you can do is mix and match diff. dirt maps to make an almost limitless number of looks.

With the "black" and "white" sandies comes diff. guns. JJ knows about this and along with the diff. color cauldron each zip file will have diff. maps and a different gun. Each type tends to carry a diff. type of weapon. There also was some diff. in backpacks too. But in the refpack there was no pattern of who had what gun, what size a backpack they had, etc. So we're making one backpack and 1 or 2 of those guns. ;)

I think you guys are right. The cauldron could use a little dirt too.

[ribok7]

makes me want to wave my hand and say "these arent the droids you're looking for"

really impressive work man well done:thumbsup:

[samartin]

I get the impression u quite like star wars... tee hee, as always awesome worx but I don't remember these stormtroopers in the desert ?!?!?! which film was that from ???

u just need 2 create 1 massive anim. with all u're characters now, episode 10 by u...

[Corn Dog]

Anyone seen the show Troopers?

It's a mock of COPS/STARWARS too funny.

[Faraguay]

Great, as usual. How did you make those textures? Are they hand painted? Or did you use any photo? I love them.
Welcome back.

Pensé que habias tenido problemas con el turron y el pavo, porque hace tiempo que no te veo por ningun lao... :beer: Por el año nuevo!
No hace falta que te diga que esta que te cagas, verdad? Pues no lo digo. :insane:

[Gregwid]

Well done.But can someone give us something new,something that belongs in the Star wars universe but is original.
Well with that said I'll say what you do have is a good piece of work.:)

[blasphemy3_d]

Sorry Gregwid

I only post the image b/c some people ask me when the checked the origanl Stormtrooper.

This model are being developped for a movie so they have to be as faithful to the originals as possible.

[CGmonkey]

Originally posted by Gregwid
Well done.But can someone give us something new,something that belongs in the Star wars universe but is original.
Well with that said I'll say what you do have is a good piece of work.:)

*Forums calling Matt Clark* ;D

[IDownupI]

you always forget the wireframed version too....ME WHANT TO SE:bounce: :wavey: :buttrock: :beer:

[IDownupI]

wrah there is something with the right hand:hmm:

[IDownupI]

:lightbulb http://www.artoosnews.com/potjpics/sandtrooper.jpg

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Oh., don't ever go by small toys. They are grossly inaccurate and out of proportion.

[Flog]

Great model

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

But I give another bleh!!! I hate people with so much talent modelling Lucas stuff for free, he's a billionare who pays people to do it!!!

You could accomplish so much more making your own film or characters.

[nervous_twitch]

I love it. Wonderful modeling skills.

Your friends filming a Star Wars fan film? Need to chop up some Stormtroopers? This is a great way to do it!

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Obviously you should do a little of everything. Star Wars is a great subject matter too. Some people aren't very big fans I guess. The thing with the SW universe is it's vastness and richness. It's not just space scenes. There's deserts, snow, water-worlds, all sorts of organic and non-organice characters, and all sorts of craft. It's a great subject matter to learn CGI with. A good artist spends almost all of his time recreating existing things.

[Flog]

Hey if they want some learning experience I got a million things you could model, hehehehe!!! I'm working on an independent film and can only find a few to help. And then I see so many people with this guys talent doing Star Wars, I don't know I guess I get jealous of Lucas, I mean he has billions, his story is being told, and I'm still trying to tell mine and have no money to pay people.

I guess the reason I bitched a little on this one is the guy is so talented and did a great job and he chose Star Wars. To each there own. If you want to work on a real project check out the collab section, their are a few guys their that you could find some practice models to work on!!

Again great, great work!!! I love Star Wars too.

I give it :thumbsup: :thumbsup: and if I had more than two thumbs you'd get another :thumbsup:

[FloydBishop]

Originally posted by SCIFI_3D_zoo
A good artist spends almost all of his time recreating existing things.

Yes, but when you send a reel with this on it into ILM or other similar level place, they'll say "Oh look, ANOTHER Stormtrooper."

You have great skill, but I have to say that I can see why some of the other posters are saying that it would be great to see the same skill applied to something new.

The Sandtrooper kicks much ass though!!

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

As far as employers go I don't think they care. Nobody wants to see space shots with little to no lighting and an Enterprise with lens flares. But other than that very little has to be original. It's all about showing your skill. You want to show character modelling and texturing it can be anything. Why not use something pre-existing? I think somebody at ILM would be very impressed with this. Everybody has all of this in their portfolio's:
cars, buildings, general objects to show skill with diff. materials like glass/chrome/etc. None of this is really original. So I don't think it's right to bag somebody b/c of this.

JJ is doing this for an animation project... SON OF THE SUNS. Visit SCIFI 3D animations section for some trailers. Actually JJ has had alot of these models for quite awhile and just wants to finish them off. And I'd say at least one of these will be in his portfolio b/c it's very good. It demonstrates alot of skill. And that's what an employer wants to see. All you need is one thing to show your imagination and originalness too.

Sorry you guys wish JJ was making something for your project. This stuff is VERY time consuming we all know. And most of these guys have jobs, full-time students, etc. People asked JJ to post his Sandtrooper when it was ready. It's just a mod of the stormtrooper. WE're making "white" and "black" cauldrons too.

I'm senstive about people bagging others for doing this sorta work. Not you guys, but some have outright discouraged and harrassed others about doing Star Wars stuff. SCIFI 3D survives off of doing this stuff so I don't like to hear this. We do everything tv/film tho. And some original stuff like THE HUNT. We have a pretty big MISC. SCIFI section. Aliens, Predator, Blade, Blade Runner, Buck Rogers, etc. I honestly don't think we should say anything negative or critical about the subject matter tho. Especially if it's this good and shows alot of skills in texturing and modelling. You guys don't mean it that way but it can be taken as a negative comment. I think if you feel that way you probably shouldn't go into that thread and say anything about it. :thumbsup:

[JasonA]

Originally posted by Floyd Bishop
Yes, but when you send a reel with this on it into ILM or other similar level place, they'll say "Oh look, ANOTHER Stormtrooper."

As far as originality goes, well not all modeling jobs require someone to be designers as well... I suspect modelers at ILM get fed sketches and drawings from concept artists.... really it depends on the employer.
In the end, I think it doesn't matter what you model, animate, texture, light/render, or whatever so long as you do it well.. I think this goes for almost any form of art, not just 3d. The quality will speak for itself, regardless of the concept. I definitely agree tho that a demo reel should be diverse especially if you want it to get past HR people at company X. And the other cool thing about original material is that its yours.


Originally posted by SCIFI_3D_zoo
Nobody wants to see .... an Enterprise with lens flares. But other than that very little has to be original.
hey now, dont be knockin Star Trek!!
j/k :airguitar

[Matt-Clark]

Originally posted by SubDimension
*Forums calling Matt Clark* ;D

<waves hand>

This isn't the Matt Clark you're looking for. Move on.

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

What other Matt Clark is there? There's only one. Is that you?:wavey:

Why don't you guys vote for this thread. I think it's nice work. :thumbsup:

[Jackie_Chan_Fan]

Here's mine :)

mine! (http://www.3dluvr.com/rogueldr/anh_trooper_helmet_replica/anh_trooper_helmet_layout01.jpg)

;) Ok heres the 3d one. WIP of course.

3d 1 (http://www.3dluvr.com/rogueldr/images/storm_trooper/64replica_mapping02.33%20copy.jpg)

3d 2 (http://www.3dluvr.com/rogueldr/images/storm_trooper/64replica_mapping02.70%20copy.jpg)

3d 3 (http://www.3dluvr.com/rogueldr/images/storm_trooper/64replica_mapping02.34%20copy.jpg)

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Hey Adam. What have you been up to? I wish you had time to finish up that old battledroid. Maybe turn this into an ATAT driver. Something different. JJ is knocking out the stormtrooper and sandtroopers very quickly. How is life going? What are you working on?

[squeezestudio]

great work!
really amazing:buttrock:

[Jackie_Chan_Fan]

been doing some other things like...

dragon] (http://www.3dluvr.com/rogueldr/images/dragon_new_maps13.jpg)

As for doing something else, nah i'll keep working on the trooper slowly hehe. Actually i'm working on it right now.

No offense to JJs trooper, but the helmet is very innacurate shape wise. The armor as well isnt very accurate to shape. I think his texturing and modelling is very good overal, as his is rendering but in terms of coming close to the movie suits shape, i think hes way off.

Thats not to say its bad. I think his pic looks really nice. But the shape of these things are a pain in the butt, and its just not close. Even as good as i feel mine is, i know its not as close as i myself want it. But its closer, and my goal is capture the shape as best as possible. Thats why i burned myself out on the battledroid and slowly burning myself out on the trooper :)

As with the battledroid that i never finished :) Having as close to the real thing shape wise is very important to me. I saw EP1 13 times, i think i saw it about 3 or so for fun, and the rest to study the battledroid :)

Its a personal goal anyways for me, ever since i started 3d many years ago. So i plan to see it through.

[Antilles]

awesome model, of course...but i can't shake the feeling that the helmet kind of looks like its made out of clay, like the edges aren't sharp enough. And I've heard it before, sharp is bad in 3d, bevel edges etc etc, but it looks like its a little too rounded, maybe even lumpy. :surprised

also, its a pauldron, not a cauldron :)

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Damn you're right. I did that for a month a long time ago. But it's been so long since I used that I word I forgot and started saying cauldron again... pauldron pauldron pauldron. I'll write it a 100 times. Cauldron is what I wanna put myself in and boil for 30 minutes. :beer:

I think the armor lost it's shiny smooth appearance b/c of a render filter or something. JJ says there is no bump to the dirt maps. He's not gonna make any more changes. People can download it sometime this month on SCIFI 3D and they can play with it all they want.

And to Adam. Remember there are a bunch of diff. verisons of Vader and the Troopers. JJ is working from a physical reference. He saw that there were diff. versions and decided to just pick one he liked best. On yours you're doing that "high brow" version. He bought some replica props of helmets so that's what he's using. And those are all different too depending on which one you get. But he didn't get the real cheap cheesey ones. I've furnished him with nice ZOO refpacks too.:thumbsup:

[Jackie_Chan_Fan]

JJ may be working of a physical version, but its not the real version used on screen. His helmet somewhat resembles one of the liscenese lucas products or fan sculpts. So it may be based off physical armor, but from what i see... the helmet is most definatly not based off of teh accurate helmet used in the movies. The armor however is quite nice. I was admiring it in 3dsmax when i dl'd his regular trooper.

Here's a new pic. I've re modelled the knee guard on the right leg, adjusted the legs in general, also remodelled the right knee guard as well. Adjusted the upper arm peice, fixed up some of the wrinkles in the shoes you folks pointed out on scifi3d. (i'll be fixing the belt, and working on finishing the rear armor next.

This picture features my 3d trooper, composited into pics of replica trooper armor cast from the on screen used armor. (although there is some customization and mixed peices of armor there, its genearlly the same. The Helmet is dead on though. Thats a GF helmet cast from a real trooper helmet used in ANH (which is no longer available since Lucas put the boot down:)) Take a look and read onward.

Test_Composite01 (www.3dluvr.com/rogueldr/images/storm_trooper/trooper_test_composite01.jpg)

Btw the helmet is the only thing mapped in the picture. The dust on the armor is just painted quickly in photoshop to take away that boring unmapped rendered look :)

And now...

Time for trooper school :)

Here's the facts. Very abreviated and generalized.

There are various types of fan made armor, but i'm only concerned with screen accurate armor and not fan sculpts and liscensed artist sculpts which dont resemble at all the thing i saw on screen at a very young age.

There are only 3 storm trooper versions you see on screen in the movies. Each one appearing in each film (ANH, ESB, ROTJ). Technically there's 4, but the 4th variation was the same shape, but made nicer for close ups. I'll explain more below :)

ANH:

There are two versions in this film. They are from the same mold and sculpt. So they have the SAME exact shape. The only difference is flat lenses/bubble lenses and the number of holes on the frown of the helmet.

The two versions are HERO, and STUNT. The Hero helmets, worn by Mark Hamil, and Harrison Ford for closeups, featured bubble lenses and had 6 holes cut in the frown area.

The Stunt helmet... Which is what you see 98% of the time in ANH... has flat lenses, and 8 holes on the frown. Some versions of these helmets, have high brows to add some variation and character.

There is of course the sandtrooper, which is the stunt trooper helmet, plus backpack, pauldron, and sometimes missing a box on the stomach plate. (probably fell off in filming)

ESB:

ESB had same situation as ANH. Stunt helmets, were all reused from ANH. Only difference is they got repainted. The frown was painted all black, where as in ANH they were painted Grey. I beleive the tube decales were of a different color as well.

ROTJ:

ROTJ is where the shape of the helmet was altered. It was sanded down due to it being hard for the the actors to perform in the helmets, due to their bobble head nature and how they would get stuck on the armor as the actor turned his head.

All ROTJ helmets had bubble lenses. There were no flat lenses. The colors helmet decales were different from ESB and ANH.

SW: SE:

The suits were a hack job mix of ROTJ suits and new parts.

With the exception of the ROTJ version of the helmet, ANH and ESB had the same exact shaped helmet. ROTJ's helmet was based off the same mold as the ANH helmet, but was sanded down a bit like i said, so it appears narrow and odd.

So there are only 2 shapes to the helmets. ANH/ESB and ROTJ.

I've gone with the ANH version because i think it means more to me. I think the ROTJ helmet is odd looking.

Here's a new comparsion pic of a fan based suit cast from ANH screen used armor and my 3D ANH trooper, entirely hand modelled.

Test_Composite01 (www.3dluvr.com/rogueldr/images/storm_trooper/trooper_test_composite01.jpg)


As you can see, its closer. I've even attempted to model in the infamous "eye bump" located on the left eye.

The only problem that may stick out right now when looking at these pics are... The hand armor, and the stomach armor. They VARIED from scene to scene and film to film in star wars. In this shot you can see Jedi and special eddition hand armor. I modelled the ANH hand armor. The box on my chest armor with the 5 black dots.... is upside down. It is detachable on the real armor, and was sometimes rotated one way, or the other, and sometimes not even on the armor (some sandtroopers).

I also own two (replica) ANH helmet which were cast from an actual helmet used on screen in ANH (obviously not liscensed by Lucas:) They are the essentially the real thing you see on screen in Star Wars ANH. The shape i'm modelling is based on it. Thus being more accurate. I dont like the don post liscense helmets, or other black market helmets which were artist interperations of the movie helmets. They dont come close to the real shape and form.

As i said earlier... I dont want to take away from JJ's excellent work and talent. And i dont mean to sound arrogant. I for a long time have been planning on buying trooper armor, and having read up on many of variations and having been instructed on the variations from people who know FAR MORE than I :) That i can guarrantee... I've learned quite a bit about the trooper on my journey.

And from what i see... JJ's is not based on the real helmet. But its still a fantastic image. The armor is very well modelled, but the helmet just isnt true to the real prop. This isnt about ego or being better than JJ. Its simply about right and wrong. If the goal is to make something as close to possible as the real thing seen in the movies, then the referenced design is wrong. The artwork is fantastic though. He may be planning to make a fan film, and the only armor he currently has is that helmet version. And is simply making a digital double. If so, his goal is different than mine. I think his model and image very well done. Perhaps our goals are different. Like you said, hes modelling off a physical object, as are I. They're just different objects hehe.. but my point is one, or atleast the helmet is more true to on the screen image in the films. Thats my goal.

Forgive me Zoo if you know all of this. But i figured i'd make my case anyways.

Also i should add that i modelled the helmet in peices, exactly like the original vaccum formed helmet. So you can rotate the cap, and create a high brow helmet very easily, just like the real thing. Thats what you saw in some of the other pictures. This model isnt high brow or low, its capable of being either at anytime.

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Hmm... interesting. Now I know why you take years to finish a model. In spite of the fact that you are a busy pro too.

I really can't tell which is real and which isn't. Except for the areas you mentioned like the hands. That is an excellent remake. Looks like you are pretty much done... as far as my standards go.

I think JJ could only afford a Riddell helmet... and yes those are not very good. More like toys or something. Would work perfect for any fan film... or even any other use... except for a 2D image posted in a forum where everybody critiques the hell out of it and "EXPERTS" like you note all the inaccuracies.

It comes down to goals I guess. JJ's goal was probably to just make one based on the best reference he had... and with the small amount of time he's had. Very few people have the time or desire to go into like you do. In fact, I think you're a little NUTS. :rolleyes: SCIFI 3D's goals are quite simple... anything that looks good for potential CGI use. Nobody is gonna notice all these little things in an animation or film. I think that's why there are so many diff. versions to begin with... ILM didn't care either. They did whatever was easy to make or easy to use for the wearer. They knew nobody would notice or care watching the film all these subtle differences. But to most of us we are SO familar with these images if something isn't right... we'll notice. So I think it's MORE than close enough for anybody.

It's a double-edge sword sometimes. We need participation and want to support artists.. but sometimes people make things for the sake of detail overkill. Just b/c they have turned it into a modelling project... lets see how detailed I can get it... or how accurate it can be. Then it goes beyond potential use. We don't need say a snowspeeder with every little button and screw. If somebody wants a close-up of a cockpit that will be an entirely separate model. At SCIFI 3D we think in terms of use. If something is too detailed, no matter how good, it won't be of any use b/c it's too big or sometimes it won't even load.

But your models are excellent and I would NEVER complain about them being too detailed or anything. I do feel I need to urge you to get them finished and make them available to us. We are all LUCKY to just look at images of your stuff. THis trooper is of yours is absolutely EXCELLENT. I would rather you guys do what you want, whatever makes you happy, and we'll deal with the consequences of that. BUT maybe... you could consider just finishing something like the Battledroid or Stormtrooper... and offereing it to SCIFI 3D. And over time if you want you can go back and update it as many times as you want. That's IF you want to make it available. We also use models that are available only for SON OF THE SUNS and not allowed in public domain. We can do that too but I'd prefer that everybody had a chance to look at it of course.

Anyway... absolutely stunning model. Looks just like the ANH version. I've noticed that grey frown before and some other things you mentioned. I think I like the black better. I like the eyes that look black too. Troopers and Vader in the early versions had those bubble eyes that kinda looked red a bit. I never liked that much.

[Jackie_Chan_Fan]

heheh bubble lenses were dark green in the film ;)

Yeah i'm nuts. And this is why i never finish models that i truly care about. I'm also an animator and not a modeller. Go figure. I'm more of an acting, animating, direction kind of person. I only model really when i want to or have to. I guess that sums up most. But generally i dont want to model.

Focusing on something that means that much to me is exhausting and things like the battledroid lose my attention after focusing so much on it. I guess its yin and yang:) If you focus really intense on something.. there's probably going to be an equally extreme period of abandonment of the project ;)

Actually the trooper will be finished. The broid isnt finished because of mapping issues. I need to map so many peices that i got turned off. I still want to do it though. And i will. Perhaps doing a nice digital trooper and bdroid animation would be fun :)

As for JJ's... Ridell helmet, fan sculpt whatever. Its a good model.

i'm definatly insane when it comes to the trooper and battledroid. Both are on my mind heavily lately right now actually because i really want to finish them finally.

Modelling a trooper, in any form is dam hard. So i give JJ a lot of credit for creating a great model and image. It took me a dam long time to model a trooper. This one i started this year not too long ago as you know. But i've attempted to model the helmet early when i started 3d , and i've always thought about doing it, but the surface was too complex and the lack of reference was a factor. I almost gave up on this helmet because of the detail i wanted to acheive and the amount of intensity it would take to do so.

10bucks say i give up on the gun ;) hehehe

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Yea yea... green. I hated that. :shame:

I wish some of you guys were more productive like me. I'm like a director. Whatever gets it done in the most efficient expedited way possible... with a high level of quality. If you and I were working on something together we'd both be living in your car. We'd be broke with your level of accuracy. But it's all just for fun of course. :buttrock:

I wish you had more time to do something with us Adam. We are severly short on animating, character work, etc. Let me email you a couple of test animations. See what we're doing. :thumbsup:

Ying/Yang is about human nature yes. And it is natural to burn yourself out on something. That may be another reason why you never finish. Even 20 years later I don't think Lucas is still happy with SW even after redoing some of it. Alot of people don't like the Jabba redo in ANH. I don't like some things in ESB. So maybe you are a little bit too much of a perfectionsist. ;) You're driving yourself AND others crazy man. :scream: Most guys around here do a dozen things at once. The problem with CGI is it is very time consuming. So it helps to have diff. things going on at once. This is the best way to maximize efficiency. Even ILM probably wouldn't be happy with you b/c you take too long. I imagine they would tell you the same thing... do ONLY what is necessary as quickly as possible. BUT perfectionism is a sign of a real artist too. It's a trait of many successful people. But you gotta be in control of it. Maybe it drives you mad?

Do a droid and trooper animation with us? Maybe there's something we're doing that will interest you and serve both our needs OR maybe there's something you want to do that can be fit into our project. I'd like to get as many names in the credits as possible so we've created alot of shots for this purpose.

If you're happy with JJ's gun use or modify his. Why beat yourself up over it. Surely there are a 100 other things you'd like to do.

P.S. You don't have an email that I can send anything to you with.

[blasphemy3_d]

Chepeau man!

Incredible work!

[gL_spear]

cool!!!! still waiting to see a snow trooper from 'Empire Strikes Back' :thumbsup:

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

There is a Snowtrooper on SCIFI 3D. It's very good too. Steve Green did it and he's an excellent professional. I have some aniamtions he's doing with it too.. BUT I can't show them yet. Sorry.:shrug:

[frameless]

Not bad....WOW IT LOOKS SO GOOD:bounce:
Looks like the original. Really well done:thumbsup:

[blasphemy3_d]

Hi again friends.

Well, I´ve read the entire message of Jackie_Chan_Fan (I have no time before)

Have to say that I´m impressed man. How can sombody know as details as you know?

You´re right man. Be sure I can´t get a real helmet (don´t want to think about cost) for making a free model. All I can do is try to get the most accuracy using what is at my reach. I´ve to say that the only real reff I had was a PEZ toy. I think the model is not so bad. Belive me I wish I had one real helmet.

I´m impressed with your work man. Your modelling skills are great but your perseverance touch the sky. Your model is perfect... so here is my head without any kind of dirt so you can see it well. Thanks for the SW class man. You´re a master.

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

All three of us can live in his car then. :rolleyes:

Now you know how he spends so long on things.

Damn China. They make everything. Them or Taiwan. :hmm:

[ZeeverFett]

Truly I don't see an end or a completion date for your Son of the Suns project, you've been working on it for over 3 years with nothing but a small trailer to show for it. Sure you have test animations and other animations stored on your harddrive, but you keep adding things, which prolong your completion,and no doubt you want to wait till Ep3 comes out so that you can add more, by then there will be even better models out there than the ones you have,and all of the models that you are keeping from the public will be all for not. On a side note I think that is kind of shitty to keep models away from other potential users (not myself, for I have no need) but from otheres of creating something great. That is very selfish, I would understand if you personally modelled the models you are holding, but not this.


Vader had red lenses, the troopers had a green tint. Both models are great, whether they are meticulously detailled or modelled good enough to be passible. I can see where people get the "why not model something else other than SW" which is the ideal approach, it's just that if you want to improve your skills you will model something that you can reference, that others can point out your shortcomings. Then you can move onto something else. But it is a smart idea to pic something that you love or are really excited about modelling to help motivate you to finish. That is the main problem with a lot of artists is that they don't finish something they start; which also says a lot about a person's character and reliability.

I wish JJ good luck on his modelling, he did a great yoda, vader, boba, trooper and now sandtrooper, and good luck to you too Jackie Chan Fan, you have a great looking battledroid, stormtrooper and Jackie Chan model ;)

anyway, that is my 2 cents, I am not trying to start a verbal battle with anyone I spoke about, just pointing out some obvious issues...

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Well... hmm. I'm kinda drunk and high right now so I'm not worried about saying anything to upset anybody b/c I don't give a crap about anything right now. So it doesn't displease me that you have no confidence in us. Finishing as quickly as possible isn't something we've never thought about. We think about it more than you do. But you have alot of mixed up facts. The entire site has only been around for 3 years. It's only been 2 that we started SOTS. It's all in the newsarchive on the site. Only reason we came out with a trailer at all is b/c we needed one to be featured on Fan Films at TFN. And the trailer came out after one year. That's pretty typical as far as fan films go. But I don't think we'll be done in 2 years total. We'll probably need the rest or most of 2003. We aren't adding any shots. We started last year editing the script and cutting it down. If anything new is done it's in place of one or more other shots. Next, we want to be done way before EP3 b/c we want to participate in the last Star Wars Celebration. We might update it with EP2 shots. We're already kinda turned some of our Coruscant shots in to EP2 types. So nothing was added. Who cares if is there are better models out after we release. We don't hold hardly any models back. Topa always insisted that everything be shared. What we do instead is share our core models like the Galactic Senate... but not our version that you see in SOTS. People can setup and light their own versions. But I'll release even this too eventually. Topa spent over 100 hours on the Senate so we weren't gonna put special stuff like that out before we even get a chance to use it. We're not selfish. I think it's selfish to think you have rights to something that somebody else made. Everybody is entitled to their rules and no complaints. Beggers can't be choosers right. Some people are more picking than others about when to release stuff but we have no right to complain. I win people over by being patient and respectful to their wishes. That's how I've learned to get stuff on the site for the rest of you guys. Lastly.. no models are mine. It's up to each artist how and IF they want to release it. Some don't ever want to. So you are wrong on all of these counts. You kinda come across as someone who would complain about a free meal. :shame:

YOu gotta remember what makes a good artist is perfectionism. But I think it needs to be controlled perfectionism. I don't understand all this bagging people about the subject matter. I think some people don't like a particular subject and that's why they complain about it. There's nothing wrong with being totally sick of seeing Star Wars stuff. But you don't go in a guys thread and bag him b/c you don't like the subject. I think there's enough variety of images at CGtalk to satisfy everyone. It's not fair to say somebody not finishing a model says something about their character and reliability. It's possible but I wouldn't ever say that to anybody. It's much more likely that they don't have time. Most of the people I know are full-time students who work also, or are already busy pros.... and they all put in 60+ hrs./wk. Most people don't go to the extreme Adam has. But I know he is in this very busy crowd too.

Jackie Chan? I haven't seen this. I'll have to search the forum.

No harm caused or intended. :thumbsup:

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Another thing about this BAGGING on people for doing Star Wars or other such licensed properties. My question is really.... what's the difference whether it's Boba Fett or Corvette?? Neither are original. Anybody say "oh another white volkswagon bug" when JJ posted his car image. And as in either case you shouldn't convey that opinion even if you do feel that way. Can't people keep some things to themselves sometimes. You read JJ's interview and he says twice that he's a bit bored with the SW subject b/c "people don't value the work". This is the second person just today that has told me this after posting stuff in the SCIFI MESH and CGTALK forums. I think people really should chill out on bagging people b/c of the subject they choose. It's totally unconstructive to make this kinda comment. :shame:

/zoo steps off speech box.

[Antilles]

drunk and high, huh?

brilliant.:shame:

[ribok7]

maybe its just me but that trooper helmet looks like a pain in the ass to model.....

[blasphemy3_d]

Thanks Ribok, you´re so delicate and your comment is so constructive :*

[ribok7]

actually that was a compliment to your abilities.I cant model nearly as well as you:beer:

[blasphemy3_d]

ah ah ah aha

thanks man But, as you can read, mi helmet isn´t so good!!!


:beer: :beer:

[Faraguay]

Joder tio... Ya son ganas las de la gente de decir gilipolleces. Cuanto friky hay suelto!

When I look at some piece of art, I look at the overall piece, and then I decide if i like it or not. The first impresion is what remains.
And if you like one piece of art the first time you look at it, it's very difficult to change your opinion abuout it after looking at it for 30 minutes.

I didn't realize anything wrong with the helmet of this model...Until now. And even now I don't think it is so bad as people say... How many crappy visual effects we see on films such as Harry Potter or even Star Wars in some scenes and nobody plains about them...

Me pongo de mala ostia de ver tanto inutil suelto que ademas no hace mas que joder a los demas... Lo siento, JJ. Tenia que decirlo.
A mi me sigue molando un huevo. Y haz lo que te de la gana tio, que para mi eres lo mejor de España. Sin peloteo.

Excuse me and my words... I just had to say it. I dont understand some people...

[ribok7]

Originally posted by blasphemy3_d
ah ah ah aha

thanks man But, as you can read, mi helmet isn´t so good!!!


:beer: :beer:

better than I can do.I am what they call a padewan learner..;)

[xo36]

When I first saw you model a week or two ago, I thought it was a person in a suit. Thats how good it is. I can't believe that you are letting 1 comment get you down after all of the positive stuff that has been said about your work. It seems to me like JCF is hating on you. :thumbsdow
Firstly because in an utmost display of tackiness, he posts his images in your thread. Then he goes on and on about how inferior your model is compared to to his (I was far more impressed with yours). As a matter of fact, I spent about an hour trying to find the model in theforce.net just to look and marvel at and I don't even have the program you made it in!
Anyway, with his apparent "endless" resources and references, he never once offered to lend an "all knowing hand" with a few of the helmet pics he used but instead posts more pictures of how his is "more" like the real thing. Shit, your stormtrooper inspired me to dust off Maya and take another crack at modeling MY favorite helmet wearing menace (Marvin Martian) LINK HERE Just kidding!!! ;) . But fustration got the better of me. (newbie stuff).
So dont let anyone get you down. Keep your head up and keep on doing what you're doing cause what your doing is some good stuff.

[blasphemy3_d]

Oh men.

Well, first of all thanks all. I really apreciate your trust in me. (Please xo36 don´t dust off Maya.. I´m learning now and I would need your help ;) )

My head is up friends. I still think my helmet is good enought in spite of the lack of resources. I know it´s a good job. I made it more than a year ago and I´m allways developing my skills. Maybe next helmet be better than it is. Don´t know. It´s tue Chan that you can help me with a pack of good photos :D b/c I´m not gonna be able of purchase some real good helmet, that´s for sure. I enjoyed with your Troop class man!! I´m not joking. It´s awesome. Your model looks great, you know. I take what I liked more of the diffs helmet from the photos I had, so it´s true that my helmet is a bastard :wip: If I get your help I could do it better. I would thank you.

I know that Chan don´t hate me. It´s absurd. I allways make the submit and add "C&C" are wellcome. And that´s what Chan did. C&C. It was just what I want. People showing what they´re able to do. Comments and crits from Chan are the most impressive I never got. I´m grateful so. Be sure I´ve learned with your explanations CHAN.


And now beers for all

:beer: xo36
:beer: Faraguay
:beer: Chan of course
ZOO, you got enought last night:shame:
:beer: CGTALK PEOPLE (THIS SITE ROCKS MEN!!!!!)

[blasphemy3_d]

Uppssss! I forgot ribok7


That´s for you :beer:


Your droid looks great! And I know Zoo will want take care of it (If he don´t have it yet :))

[Jackie_Chan_Fan]

X036:

dont try and start a fight.

I've been aware of JJ's work way before this thread. I had already seen his storm trooper and he had already seen mine way before this thread.

He knew what i was doing... So posting an imagine in his thread is not a kick in the face, or atleast it wasnt the intent. I wanted to show him a new update because i'm still working on mine and havent shown anyone an update since November

I only stated mine is more accurate, becaues Zoo had basically said "why dont you do something else because JJ's finished his and its pretty good" Which it is. I only meant to point out the differences to ZOO.

JJ's work is very good. Its just our reference material is different. Thats all. Its as simple as that. I have no doubt with the right reference material JJ could whip out one hell of an accurate 3d storm trooper.

My reference material could be entirely accurate and my model look like shit.... and i would STILL point out the differences because its fact. And the goal at least for me, and i would expect others is to try and match the onscreen design as close as possible.

Anyways take from it what you will. Perhaps it would have been nicer to start a new thread. But, couldnt you infer the same thing?

And just because someone posts an image its silly to not expect criticism or praise. I get a lot of criticism when i post updates of my trooper :) Beleive me hehehe I'm pretty aware of the things i hate about it, and often folks will come right out and point out the same thing :) Its the way it is. JJ's is great. My only critique is the accuracy, not the quality of worksmenship.

[xo36]

Chan Fan,
OK. That's fine. I am only saying that there's a difference between noting inaccuracies with suggestions and offending someones work. JJ was obviously offended.
Or at least thats what I observed.
No harm, no foul.

JJ,
When I say "dust it off", I mean that I am starting to use and learn it again. but I only have about 15 hours of experience with it and no other 3d training so my help is the last you'll need.

[blasphemy3_d]

Hey Chan... what about sharing out some of your great resources... Just like photos, info,... you have not said a word. It would be great.


xo36, sorry about my poor english level. Belive me I would need any kind of help friend. I´m currently what I call a PAKETE (complete useless).:rolleyes:

[Flog]

I looked again at the pic, great lighting and background. This looks like a photograph from the movie!!!

:beer: cheers

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

Oh man JJ... I hope you're not thinking about changing your helmet now?:D

[hellblazer]

cool texture.. like it .. but i dun like the striking yellow on top of his shoulder, can make it dirty or less saturation to blend in with the main character outfit

[SCIFI-3D-zoo]

It's really supposed to be just like that. It's actually orange. There is a white and black pauldron sandy too. I'm sure we won't have a problem all liking the color of those. Don't change nothing JJ. :airguitar

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