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FateBringer
04-26-2006, 02:52 AM
Wow, this is such a great site, hard to pull myself away from it. All the great art, tutorials, and tips i just cann't get enough of it.
I have mostly worked with pen,pencil and paint. After going though this sight (some of it ,may never see it all, being such a big place) went out and got a wacom , PS and Corol Painer.
Hehe didn't go so well. I a'm going agaist my norm (staying quitely in the back ground) in making this thread and will post my work here, the good and the bad, maybe the embarressment will push me to do better.

so here goes

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/sketch_1.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/sketch2.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/sketch_3b.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/shoulderX.JPG

ouch this is hard for me

can not
must
can not.....grrr...
m u s t h i t S u b m i t

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 03:27 AM
FateBringer,

Welcome aboard! I think it will really help me to see your traditional works, which you are more than welcome to post here. :)

If I may ask, what is your art training and background? It always helps to know. :) It's good to see you starting with digital art, and don't worry if your first attempts aren't your best work ~ these forums are all about improvement through WIP and through Workshops, which I would highly encourage you to participate in. :)

We have a great continuously running Workshop which is ideal for those starting out in either traditional or digital drawing / painting:

Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229&page=1&pp=15)

as well as the 15 Minute Sketchathon, which you've discovered, and the Open Figure Drawing Workshops, the latest of which is:

Open Figure Drawing Workshop - Rembrandt Master Copy - with Rebeccak 016 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349580)

I encourage folks who are new to digital painting to use the Beginner's Lounge to practice the same exercises in the OFDWs and post them to the Beginner's Lounge. However, you are more than welcome to also hop into the current OFDW, it's totally up to you. :)

Also, there are some great Gesture Exercises posted to the beginning of the Beginner's Lounge which you might try digitally to get warmed up.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work here, and please do not be shy about posting.

BTW, I think the last link is broken, it would be great to see that piece as well. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
04-26-2006, 04:43 AM
Thanks for the welcome Rebeccak

I have had no formal training in art really, but I did take 4 yrs of Mechanical Drawing/ Architecural Design in high school. Art, no drawing is just something i have aways done for as long as i can remember, painting is fairly new skill for me started in about 95, Bob Ross land scapes (big smile) and am tring to work my way up to the artists I admire. I must admit to not spending enough time with my studies any more, time plays a big part, but i think a lack of direction (not knowing) is another major problem. All i really know is my mind goes some where when i draw/paint, time no longer exists, nothing does i even stop looking at my paints and I'm at peace... completely. And when i come back i know i did the work but don't really remember much, yet i do - hard to explain. Anyway i cann't stop drawing i'll go nuts, about 3 month is all i can stand.

ok its late, i'll check out the sites you mentioned and post some of my other work tomorrow

Thanks

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 07:09 PM
You're welcome. :) Looking forward to seeing your work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
04-26-2006, 09:04 PM
Time Time Time where does it go? Running short again. Real quick I'll try to get some old stuff up. The books i have done the most work out of are Dynamic Figure Drawing by Burne Hogarth, Realistic Figure Drawing By Joseph Sheppard and Portrait Drawing by John Lawn.

shoot this is going to take awhile have to resize all my scans,well here's 3 anyway

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/Scan10004.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/DFDstudies3r.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/DFDstudies4r.jpg
more later tonight

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 09:56 PM
FateBringer,

Nice Hogarth studies! The back study is particularly good. Looking forward to seeing more.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
04-27-2006, 12:55 AM
Thanks for the Compliment

heres a couple more

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/DFDstudies5r.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/DFDstudies7r.jpg

and in a differant style

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/RFDstudy1r.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/RDFfmstyr.jpg
https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/RFDstudy3r.jpg


Hmmm, guess thats alot of links, was forgeting to be shy about it ,guess I'll post couple paintings tomarrow and then be done for now. Need to get to work with the wacom.

I checked out your work today loved it,very impressive
the detail in the bones...no words to describe... Awsome!

Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 01:24 AM
FateBringer,

Thank you for the compliments! Much appreciated. :)

I'm really liking your Hogarth studies, and would encourage you to do more of them.

One thing that will help make it easier to see your images is if you copy and paste the URL of the images into the square yellow sun / mountain icon in the EDIT POST text editor. This will make your images visible as images instead of as links. :)

With respect to the first Hogarth drawing, I would say to raise the height of the shoulders a bit, and to enlarge them to match the bulk of the really large chest mass.

I would also suggest spending more time on the studies of the legs ~ Hogarth is one of the best, imo, at breaking down legs in a simple and understandable manner.

I like the expression that you are starting to get in your latter pieces as well ~ the drawing of the buttocks is quite nice and the last piece has a bit of a painterly feel to it which is reminiscent of Bonnard (http://www.portaldepoesia.com/TEXTOS%20DIGITALIZADOS/AFL_Bonnard.jpg).

I would also recommend investing in Vilppu's Drawing Manual (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1892053039/sr=8-1/qid=1146097413/ref=sr_1_1/103-8991821-0763011?%5Fencoding=UTF8). Vilppu is a great trainer and his method is all about breaking form down into simple shapes, and building the complexity back up logically from there.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
04-27-2006, 03:10 PM
Rebeccak

thanks for the tips and recomondations. I really appreciate you taking the time to review my work and making me feel welcome here.

self portrait

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/mplaying.jpg

Study of Proserpine By Dante Gabriel Rosseti (sorry about reflections, photo)

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/Prospertin.jpg

and a quick sketchy painting study

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/figure_study_Acrylic.jpg

guess i should have spent more time on it , maybe now that it's on my computer I can rework it digitally.

Hopefully may have some new stuff soon

Mark

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 08:43 PM
FateBringer,

Wow, this study is really nice! :)

https://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Prospertin.jpg


With respect to your last piece, I think that you can really take an old traditional piece far digitally. I did much the same thing with a horrible old oil painting I had done :D (yours is not horrible, by the way, but mine was :)), the steps can be seen here:

TUTORIAL - Digital Master Copy - by Rebeccak (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=275025)

Looking forward to seeing your new work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
04-29-2006, 03:39 AM
Thanks Rebeccak

I really enjoyed painting that one, but the hair started to frustate me. Couldn't get the flow of it, don't remember how many times i painted over it and it still isn't right. I still need to work on my hair painting skills ( ok it's part of a long list of skills for me to work on ), but that is how i found CGsociety , was Googling for a hair tutorial , found Linda B's . exellent!


The Digital rework you did really brought the painting to life.But their is something about your original that draws my eyes in to the painting, then let's them wonder around all your brush strokes, i like that. In the digital version my eyes lock immediately with the painted ones making it harder to look around. Err, I don't know what i'm trying to say ,but thank you I''ll get a lot out of your tutorial, when I'm ready I'll have a go at it with mine.Right now still trying to get comfortable with my wacom pen and brush settings, hard to loss yourself in piece when you keep having to think about settings and things.
Mark

FateBringer
05-03-2006, 03:21 AM
ok here some ,well,er, um, progress with my wacom. 15 min sketches. maybe i should stick with the pencil.

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/sketch2-4.jpg

maybe some music will help, worth a shot.

FateBringer
05-03-2006, 03:38 AM
here's what i got on the skull challenge so far. About 4 hrs of work, but this is the fourth day since i started, definatly going to run over a week. Too many things going on. anyway what does everyone think about what i got so far?

https://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/skullsofar.jpg

Rebeccak
05-03-2006, 04:02 AM
FateBringer,

Not bad at all, particularly on the skull! :) I would seriously encourage you, if you want to work in color, to create 3 or 4 swatches ~ one a really light, nearly white tint of yellow, one a mid ochre, one a deeper brown, and one a black. This will allow you to quickly sample the basic tones you need for highlights, midtones, and darks.

When you are in brush mode in Photoshop, you can quickly sample swatches (make sure to keep them on a layer above all of your other layers) by alt + clicking the swatch (or any area of the canvas) ~ doing so will temporarily turn your brush into the eyedropper, and you can select the color on which you've clicked.

Looking forward to seeing your progress on the skull especially! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
05-03-2006, 11:43 PM
Thanks for the tip Rebecca. That should be a big help in saving time, which I always seem to run sort on.Also if anyone knows of a good tutorial in traditional acrylic painting about making somthing look very shiney (as in a high gloss black guitar) I would be very appreciative if you could let me know. thanks

SpiritDreamer
05-05-2006, 11:58 AM
Hi...FateBringer...:)

REALLY LIKE THAT SELF PORTRAIT...:thumbsup:
That skull is GREAT...like the atmosphere in and around it, and the colors also...nice job..:thumbsup:
Rosseti study....one of my favorite artist...nice study also...:thumbsup:

If you can, ...buy ....DYNAMIC LIGHT AND SHADE by BURNE HOGARTH...GREAT book, will
show you how to draw shiny effects...once you know how to draw them, they are easy to paint...:)
A pleasure seeing your work, looking forward to seeing more...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
05-05-2006, 07:18 PM
SpiritDreamer

Thanks for the compliments...I really need them somedays.

And I really appreciate the referal to the Hogarth book, maybe I'll be able to finish my painting now (it's only been sitting around unfinished for little over a year.)

I went lurking around over to your web site today. You have very impressive catolog of works,wonderful place.Personal favorite Nude in The Forest

Mark

Rebeccak
05-07-2006, 06:18 PM
FateBringer,

I don't know of any really good acrylic tutorials offhand, but you might want to check wetcanvas.com. They tend to have more traditional tutorials there. Feel free to post your results here. :)

Here's a link I found that may be useful:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233952

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
05-07-2006, 08:17 PM
Rebecca thanks for the web site, didn't find what I was looking for though :(
I'll just have to wing it and hope for the best (like aways.) Maybe that Dynamic Light and Shade book will sparks some ideas,ordered today along with Vilppu's Drawing Manual.

Also discovered, while looking through my books, I've lost a sketch book i filled with mostly with Pre-Rapaelite pencil studies ...cry...


I got a little more done on the skull
https://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sofar2.jpg


and another 15 min sketch

https://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch5.jpg

FateBringer
05-08-2006, 03:14 AM
Here is a study of Isabella and the Pot of Basil by W.H. Hunt

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http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/Isabella.jpg[url="http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/Isabella.jpg"] (http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/IsabellaandthepotofbasilR.jpg)

Rebeccak
05-08-2006, 09:58 AM
FateBringer,

Definitely check out this new Sticky I posted to the top of this forum:

Master Copy Resources (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354836)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354836

I really recommend doing as many Master Copies as you can. It's one of the fastest ways to improve your figurative art skills, and is also a great way to learn digital painting. :)

Your skull painting is going great, keep pushing that!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
05-15-2006, 02:37 AM
ok I think I'm as far as i can go with this

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/finished_skull.jpg

same pic with some filters

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/skull_with_filters.jpg

think it could have turned out better but I need to learn a bit more about the programs.

coments welcome

Rebeccak
05-15-2006, 06:36 AM
FateBringer,

I am liking the original version of the skull a lot. :) It's great to play with filters and settings in PS, but ultimately you want to use filters such as invert, etc. as little as possible in your work. :)

By the way, I've just recently posted this thread because I realized I was not really asking people what their level of experience was with the digital painting tools that most people use:

Digital Painting Primer (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=357486)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=357486

You mentioned that you needed to become more familiar with Photoshop ~ what tools are you most familiar with, and what tools do you feel less familar with? It would help me to know. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
05-16-2006, 12:54 AM
Rebeccak

I know it's cheating, but it make it easier for me to look at, i tend to only see my errors and there are a lot in this one and in all my work really .Always could be better.

I only just got everything wacom, Corel painter Essentials, photoshop essentials.
Guess it's been about 4 weeks now.So this painting and the few sketches have all been a learning prossess for me. just need more time and projects under my belt. I think in the last 4 weeks i have taken more time reading tutorials and looking at others work from this sight then drawing.Right now i just do alot of dumb things like spending ten min finding a brush...then turn around and lossing it, make layers and forget to switch to the right one, and unhappy with the work one layer then delete wrong layer...cry.

So in time i think, when i know where things are (brushes i want) and learn to layer my work properly ,my work will come out much better.not to mention improving in my artistic abilities will help too : )

One thing I was wondering about is the size of my wacom 4"X5" is that too small? I cann't stop just using my fingers to draw with. In my traditional work i was trying to get away from that except when detailing.

Thanks
Mark

Note: This post may sound a little down but it's not, I'm really having fun figuring it all out.

FateBringer
05-16-2006, 03:54 AM
couple more 15 min sketches

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Scorpion_Pose.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/victor2.jpg

FateBringer
05-17-2006, 03:26 AM
and anotherhttp://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Kpose.jpg

Rebeccak
05-17-2006, 04:01 PM
FateBringer,

I really liked the start you had to this piece:


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Isabella.jpg

It would be great to see you develop this tonally! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
05-17-2006, 11:54 PM
:) allready started on it.

here are some eye sketches done a while ago

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/eyesrc.jpg

FateBringer
05-19-2006, 04:54 AM
A little color. tried painting out some proportional problems didn't really work. Thinking maybe I should just start over, fixing the sketch first this time.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/close_1.jpg

YMS
05-19-2006, 06:07 AM
Fatebringer, good job on making your sketch come to life. She has really nice colouring!

If she is painted digitally, and you are not happy with her proportions, you can "cut and paste" her head, say, and move it to where you want it.

From the look of it, her neck and head seem to be too far away from her shoulders?

I wouldn't scap the whole thing and start over if you can do the cut and paste, and carry on from there... :)

Rebeccak
05-19-2006, 05:09 PM
FateBringer,

I would agree that it's probably best to start with as strong a beginning as possible drawing~wise, but you can also copy, paste, etc. as YMS has pointed out. :) I think at this stage it's best to redraw ~ are you able to post the reference image?

Liking the eye studies, it would be great to see some full head studies as well. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
05-19-2006, 09:05 PM
YMS

Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to post here. I never thought about cutting and pasting that should come in handy.:) Unfortunatly in this case I think it will just make a problem for every one it fixes. But I'll give it a try before I redraw just to see how it works never know when I could use that in the future. thank you

Rebeccak

Sure, I'll scan it later tonight when I have more time.
Some head studies is a good idea. I'll work them in as I work on this painting.
Thanks

Rist
05-19-2006, 09:11 PM
I have always had a firm belief that working from traditional and then going digital is always best than just jumping straight to digital. What i mean is when someone is still learning the basics, it is best to stick to pencils/pens/inks/paints. This is because 'you' are controlling the medium with 'your' control. You need to concertrate more and you need to be more careful too due to there being no redo. I suggest concentrating on traditional things and then if you are firmly set to go digital, then go digital, not straight away. Some will argue that I am wrong, but I wont be budged from this belief.

Your work is quite good, but i still see the lack of mastery of the basics.

i see you have a few traditional stuff. If you do work traditionally also, then I misjudged, please show some more tradtional stuff please.

Also if that painting on the first page was traditional then I appologize because I assumed it was from Painter IX or some such. Reason is that there are so many people using these programs these days it can be hard to tell.

FateBringer
05-20-2006, 01:06 AM
heres the referance Isabella and the pot of Basil by W.H.Hunt
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Ref_Isabella600P.jpgWow, going for the redraw. I put mine side by side (tried to over lay but could not resize for some reason) with this one, knew there were proportional problems but ...ouch.
Thanks Rebeccak for making me see, I will strive for better.

FateBringer
05-22-2006, 03:57 AM
Ok done with the new drawing and ready to start painting again

9h pencil on heavywieght Charcoal paper
left the values way light to keep all lines visable for now.http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/IsabellaDrawingR.jpg

FateBringer
05-24-2006, 04:06 AM
Almost ready to start with some color I think, any suggestions.
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/IsabellaDrawingvaluesR.jpg

Rebeccak
05-24-2006, 04:22 AM
FateBringer,

Doh, meant to reply to your earlier post, then somehow missed it ~ your rework is looking so much more solid! :)

Without looking at the reference, I would say that the main part that still needs work is the face. Try tilting both your reference and your canvas to the same angle so that the face is in a straight on position ~ this may make things a bit easier to sketch out.

Looking forward to your update!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
05-24-2006, 10:33 AM
:) Hi...FateBringer...NICE JOB ON THAT ONE.......on the face,...watch the distance between mouth and bottom of nose, and the length of lips...corner of mouth should come out further, so that if you run a straight vertacal line down from center of the eye, it will hit the corner of the mouth...check all your distances between strutures on the face, in relationship to each other, and the outside edge of face ect. ...very important, for getting a likeness..
REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THIS TURNS OUT...A LOT OF WORK THERE..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
05-25-2006, 03:58 AM
Rebeccak
no complaints here, I can see you are very busy.

Hehe, yea I wasn't happy with the head, could almost be a guys face. Thought maybe the shading would help, i always think this, it doesn't. I did promise some head studies so I will do several of hers rotating it around, thanks for the tip and thanks for your time.


SpiritDreamer

Thanks for stopping back by. Putting it all together would be the challenge for me. I did many studies of the individual parts of the face but kind of slacked off when it came to putting them together and it shows every time. Thanks for the little tutorial, i don't ever remember reading about the vertical line from the pupil to the corner of the mouth. have to dust off a couple of my drawing books.

I'm looking forward to seeing it done myself, so i don't have to look at it any more LOL.
I probably souldn't say but the sketch took me 5 hrs. plus 2 or 3 doing the values in photo shop, so thats 7 hrs. and I'll guess at least 14 hrs more to finish. Come to think of it probably more because from here on out there will be lots of trial and error going on.

Thanks
Mark

FateBringer
05-29-2006, 03:58 AM
heads the good, the bad and the ugly

wacom tablet
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/headstudy2R.jpg

pencil

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/page1R.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/page3R.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/page4R.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/page5R.jpg

well not great, but the best i can do for now... off to fix the face in the main drawing.
oh SpiritDreamer, dusted off my books errr book with head ref, terrible may have to burn it and lay to rest.LOL found a web site The Phi Guy showed alot of what you were telling me and more. Thanks for the start.:) Couldn't make the vertical line from left pupil work right but found if I made a triangle from outside corner of the eyes to the bottom center of chin the mouth fit inside the triangle, not sure why but it seemed to work better for this face for some reason.

Mark
edit: web site- http://goldennumber.net/life.htm (THe phi Guy)
hope this may help if anyone else like me needs it
wish i went to college phi is alot to think about

FateBringer
05-29-2006, 01:01 PM
Faces from the past
WOW time flys when your having fun,done almost ten years ago and rememberer drawing them like it was just yesterday.

from various ref:

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/PastFaces.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
05-29-2006, 05:45 PM
new face on Isabella

is better anyway, couldn't erase background without loosing paper color, so it is kind of
double lined for now and her left eye is to big.http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/IsabellaDrawingvalues3fixfaceR.jpg
come on big smile, I'm rolling on the floor

Mark

Trunks
05-29-2006, 06:16 PM
new face on Isabella

is better anyway, couldn't erase background without loosing paper color, so it is kind of
double lined for now and her left eye is to big.http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/IsabellaDrawingvalues3fixfaceR.jpg
come on big smile, I'm rolling on the floor

Mark


I am a little confused on this. Which color do you want to use? And why are you blurring everything?

YMS
05-29-2006, 07:17 PM
Mark, nice "faces from the past", especially the cute toy!

Isabella's face was worth all the trouble to redraw and get right. Looking forward to seeing the colour work, now. (Her eye in the original painting seems very small; must be her position and gravity at work.)

FateBringer
05-29-2006, 09:41 PM
Trunks

First let me say that I'm pretty new at this digital painting, this one will be my frst big one (about 2700 X 4100) if I can make it though to the end.
I guess what I was tring to say was: my drawing was scanned in, it becomes my back ground; lines, paper color and all. My mistakes are in the background so if I erase I not only lose the lines but the scanned in paper color. No matter how I try to fix the erased color there will be a flaw all the way though to the final layers.like if you were to spill coffee on a drawing, you may be able to work around it but the stain will never go away. This may be easily fixed but I don't know how. Not sure if that was a better explaination or not LOL.

The blurring is mostly just the brush: airbrush 17% opacity 30%flow all will increase the farther along I get. But like I said I'm new at this so everything is subject to change or be scrapped as I learn new things.

Thanks for taking the time to check out my work.

YMS

LOL ,Thanks

All the work was definately worth it ,should do some more, but this face has burnt itself to the back of my eyelids errors and all, need a new one to do. I think I did 30 of her face just didn't post all, some had to go in the trash.

guess i had better go see how your making out, any finished works yet?

Here is the first layer of color, nothing fancy just a start or a restart rather.
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Isabellacolor1R.jpg

I

Rebeccak
05-29-2006, 09:42 PM
FateBringer,

It's great to see this progressing, and cool to see the effort you are putting into this. I look forward to seeing your progress. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

YMS
05-30-2006, 01:27 AM
guess i had better go see how your making out, any finished works yet?

Whoops.... :)

But, I have a four-day weekend coming up....

FateBringer
06-04-2006, 08:14 PM
This weekends doodles

needed a break from Isabella

varios ref. pencil ...broke out the 6b :)


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/FwarrierR.jpg http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/SittingR.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/LeggsR.jpg

this one inspired by Zhuzhu's water colors but not nearly as good
NOTE : water in sketch book = not a good thing LOL

done with water color pencils, not quit the same

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/DeadWaterColorsR.jpg

wasn't happy with this so I redid it in pencil only

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/DeadbytheWaterR.jpg

LOL the date on the last one! should be 6-3-06, brain must shut down after midnight.

Mark

Edit: Links to pics if you cann't see them already
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/FwarrierR.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/SittingR.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/LeggsR.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/DeadWaterColorsR.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/DeadbytheWaterR.jpg

FateBringer
06-05-2006, 12:23 AM
Looking for my Water color pencils, found my art pens so....

ref. Vallejo Fins1
Goofed it all up, should have stopped work on it sooner


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Fins1R.jpg

Mark

Edit: Link-
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/Fins1R.jpg

Rebeccak
06-05-2006, 05:41 AM
Mark,

For some reason I am not able to see your images ~ I'm having computer problems lately and maybe that is the reason. At any rate, perhaps you could post the images also as links as well as as images, at least for the time being?

Thanks! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
06-05-2006, 11:43 PM
Rebeccak

Ok, no problem. I put the Links at the end of my last two post (new stuff.) Checked all the
links and they work on my end. I will keep posting pic and a link until you say otherwise.

All

Is anyone else having problems seeing my pics?


Note: I hate to advertise for some rich company, but with the photobucket problem thought some may want to consider comcast high speed internet. exspensive fix, about fifty bucks a month, but I get 250 Mb of storage space. I don't think it's really worth it just for the storage but if you were considering it anyway... just another reason.
Though I'm not sure about thier nudity policy, I haven't had a problem with my sketches.

Mark

FateBringer
06-06-2006, 04:01 AM
another Vallejo attempt

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Fins2R.jpg

Link
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/Fins2R.jpg

Mark

Rebeccak
06-06-2006, 08:49 AM
Mark,

Ah, I can finally see your pieces! I won't have time to crit them til a bit later, but I hope that you keep posting your work and maybe trying some Master Copies! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
06-07-2006, 05:54 AM
A little work done on Isabella, wall and doorway

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Isabellacolor3R.jpg

Link-
http://home.comcast.net/~mlarlham/Isabellacolor3R.jpg

Mark

YMS
06-10-2006, 03:23 AM
Mark, your Vallejo pieces are looking good - dynamic, and nice sketching.

(Hope your tablet pen still works after the tweezer treatment...did you risk it?)

(Next for me? Still working on Mona.)

Isabella's getting there...keep it up. :)

FateBringer
06-10-2006, 08:28 PM
YMS
hehe no tweezers - but teeth worked
oops, mona looked finish to me but who am I to say, keep pushing it ,looks great already

heres an update on Isabella...

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Isabellacolor4R.jpg

Mark

Rebeccak
06-12-2006, 11:40 PM
Mark,

Solid progress on this ~ I like the muted pastels so far, and look forward to seeing how you develop this piece as a whole ~ one of the things that will be important is the edges in the piece ~ a sensitivity to soft vs. hard edges is an artform in itself. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
06-14-2006, 06:14 AM
Rebeccak

Thanks for the comments

one of the things that will be important is the edges in the piece
Hadn't put much thought into that or at least the kind of thought which I think you mean.
Tried to do some research on the subject, didn't find much. Is there a more general term for this?

I tried to anylize the original, seemed to me soft and hard edges were closely tied to the values so I put them together in the study. Started to get a bit messy so I just letf it very general. Hopefully you can follow what I was trying to show and tell me if I'm headed in the right direction or even if this was what you originally were talking about.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/softvshard.jpg

Thank you,

Mark

FateBringer
06-15-2006, 04:18 AM
oops, in the post above along with the rest of my scribbles is the copy i'm working on, which I had planned on scribbling on olso but ran out of time. Anyway appearently the layer for the table cloth got moved, no problem right, well after that I spent about an hour more working on it, then noticed a shadow in the original that I missed somehow,covers whole upper right corner go figure.Spent another half hour putting that in. Then grabbed my soda took a drink and started looking back over my copy with the original guess what the new shadow was gone! Grrr, I'm an idiot. LOL

Mark

Rebeccak
06-16-2006, 03:50 AM
Mark,

I'm not sure I understand your diagram, but edges can have as much to do with the material / substance of the object as with the light. See this post (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3500489&postcount=6) for an example of soft vs. hard edges in a simple object.

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
06-17-2006, 04:30 PM
Rebeccak

I know poor diagraim LOL , but at least I got something from it by making it, I think, hope it will show in the picture when it is done.

I really appreciate your coments, and in pointing differant things out it keeps me interested in the piece. I tend to get uninterested or unenthused in a piece and rush through to just get it done or not , have lots of unfinnished stuff laying around. Hopefully the more I learn about the ideas behind making art the more i will be able to see these things for myself and not have a problem with uninterest and unenthusiasm as much.

Thanks

going to work on shoulders this weekend
heres a couple studies from Anatomy for the Artist by Sahah Simblet

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/shoulderarmR.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/shoulderarmBackR.jpg
hehe first on got a little squeezed, oh well

Mark

Rebeccak
06-17-2006, 04:47 PM
Mark,

You're welcome! :) What a great pair of drawings, I really like the finer linework on the bones and then the softer shading on the exterior surface features. Beautiful work! Hope to see more of these. Doing a facial study from Simblet's book before returning to your original Master Copy will likely help loads with that piece as well. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
06-17-2006, 09:15 PM
Thanks Rebeccak, maybe some day they'll be as good as yours.
ya didn't have this book when I started the copy, but I' m really waiting for Vilppu's and light and shade. they should be here before I' m finished.



2 more shoulder studies
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/ShoulderArmmusculesR.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/shoulderscolureboneR.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
06-18-2006, 02:26 PM
somewhat of an odd pose for shoulders/back

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/oddshoulderposeR.jpg

Mark

Rebeccak
06-18-2006, 04:06 PM
Mark,

Thanks for the compliment! :) I think that these are lovely, and really a huge leap it seems. I think the photographs in Simblet's book are some of the best I've seen. Really looking forward to seeing more of your studies! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

YMS
06-18-2006, 07:18 PM
Great sketches, Mark - very good job! :thumbsup:


Your painted skull has more oomph to it than my grayscale version - colour!

(I was checking, as I thought it might have been one that you did with pencil and hand shading.)

FateBringer
06-21-2006, 05:54 AM
YMS

i didn't know what I was doing...lots of errors


ODFW18

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Waterhouse_sketchR.jpg

guess I'll see if I can manage two at a time ,Isabella-digital and this one in Acrylics
LOL , never going to get done.

Mark

FateBringer
06-25-2006, 04:30 PM
ODFW18 small update

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Waterhouse_sketch4R.jpg

face study using a grid

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Waterhouse_FaceR.jpg

Isabella small update

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Isabellacolor6R.jpg

not much I know but had a very busy week

Mark

FateBringer
06-26-2006, 12:28 AM
some work on the face

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Facecloseup.jpg

Mark

YMS
06-26-2006, 04:43 AM
Her face is looking beautiful, Mark! :thumbsup:

(Her left eye slightly high?)

FateBringer
06-26-2006, 03:38 PM
YMS

Thanks, I'm trying.
I was thinking her left eye was a little low LOL. which ever, their is diffenately something off.
Some of the problem is probably the size and shape too. may play around with it some more.
putting the shadow on her face took most of may attention yesterday, had a really hard time at it.spent hours and still not really happy with it. keep looking like she just had a really dirty face. didn't realize it was possible to get the colors muddy digitally.And then to make matters worse my gray matter pops out a song parody for me that would quit.

She got mud on her face
what a big disgrace
Kickin' my can all over the place


Looks like you had a much better day than me your ODFW18 is looking great:applause:
cann't wait to see it in color.
hehe the house I'm working on has an old loom set up in one of the rooms.

Mark

Rebeccak
06-26-2006, 10:53 PM
Mark,

The face is looking lovely. :) Keep up the good work ~ this will likely get easier, but those first steps always seem the hardest. Looking forward to your update. :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

razz
06-27-2006, 12:51 AM
Yes! This is the thread I was looking for! Nice studies from the "Anatomy for the Artist" book. Shall be doing many of those myself :) Would like to see more from you!

FateBringer
06-28-2006, 04:16 AM
Rebeccak

Thank you, hope to be done the hands and feet by the end of the week, if all goes well.
I"m learning as I go so it cann't get harder :) can it?...maybe don't answer that.hehe.

Razz

LOL looks like next week sometime I'll do some more studies, I'll need a break from painting, probably do some heads/faces next.Finally got my Vipppu book so expect some from there too.Thanks for stopping by.

Mark

FateBringer
06-29-2006, 12:31 AM
just trying to make sig work, nothing to post sorry.
cool got avatar going too, have draw new one, when I get the chance, LOL

Mark

SpiritDreamer
06-29-2006, 03:25 AM
Hi...FateBringer....:thumbsup:

Nice progress...:thumbsup: .....It will get easier, and harder as you go along....:)
every question answered, gives birth to a new question...:eek:
Just take it a day at a time, and enjoy the journy and the adventure,...as much as possible...:scream: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
06-29-2006, 12:24 PM
SpiritDreamer

Thanks for the compliment
every question answered, gives birth to a new question...:eek:
don't I know it LOL 10 new Questions even

enjoy the journy and the adventure,...as much as possible
Always:)



ODFW18 first bit of paint
I know there was still problems to fix in the drawing but decided to go with it

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/FirstwashR.jpg

Mark

Rebeccak
06-29-2006, 04:47 PM
Hi Mark,

Nice to see the start of your painting. :) It's good to see you're starting with a nice sepia / burnt sienna base tone. I might recommend making it even a bit darker (though of course not too thick since this is the base coat). Looking forward to your progress on this! What type of brushes are you using, by the way?

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
06-30-2006, 02:34 AM
Rebecca

I'm a scared to go to dark all at once :eek: I gradually go darker and lighter.

16x20 medium texture Canvas

2" brush...white Gesso + little burnt siennna

Artist's Graphite paper to transfer

white Sable 760B Bright #20
white sable 767 filbert #8

1 : 1 Titanium white / Burnt sienna + water (little thicker than ink)
also throw in the mix above raw sienns / raw umber / brown / yellow here and there


head 01
8.5 x 11 pencil

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch01R.jpg

Mark

sturmkim
06-30-2006, 04:41 AM
nice studies and painting,

see you at the ofdw18.

keep up:thumbsup: the good works

FateBringer
06-30-2006, 04:58 PM
Strumkim

Thanks, Looking forward to seeing your work:)


second head 011
pencil sketch

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch011R.jpg

didn't spend enough time on this one so has a few problems
LOL funky eye and looks older

Mark

Rebeccak
06-30-2006, 05:18 PM
Mark,

That first head is looking gorgeous! Great to see you in this. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
07-01-2006, 03:03 AM
Thanks RebeccaK
quality of my works is going down hill the faster I try to go
think I'll take my time on the first of every set of five

next 3

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch026R.jpg

Mark

demented
07-01-2006, 08:10 AM
Hey Fatebringer

great work so far dude. liking your pencil work. just be careful to not get too fuzzy with the shading. always work as sharp as possible, else it results in graininess. keep it up dude, great work

cheers,

- d.

SpiritDreamer
07-01-2006, 01:36 PM
Hi...FateBringer...:thumbsup:

Those head studies are looking really good so far....you might try doing a couple with a
ballpoint pen...just to experiment....can get a nice line with pen, just by varying the pressure,
plus you don't have to stop every two seconds to shapen it, like you have to do with a pencil.
YOU can put down a colored wash first ..let dry, then do your drawing on top of the color wash.
You might even try working the ink into the wet, and let it bleed out a little...can get great
results doing that sometimes....these head studies are a great way to experiment with different
techniques, and also improve your draftsmanship at the same time....looking forward to seeing
more of your work and progress..:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
07-01-2006, 08:10 PM
SpiritDreamer

Thanks, well didn't have a ballpoint pen at hand but I had a marker LOL didn't work out well for me. Think I should have had a better plan of attack before starting.
might redo this one later have to get ready for band practice now.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch074R.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
07-02-2006, 02:46 PM
8 x 11 pen head 074
not much better


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/pen074R.jpg

Mark

Rebeccak
07-02-2006, 05:43 PM
Mark,

I actually think this latest portrait is a lot better, and you're being too hard on yourself. :) It seems there is definite improvement in your thread, and that each piece gets better. Keep plugging away at these, not every piece will be perfect, but these exercises really are designed to keep us artists from getting obsessive over each piece, and they're also meant to help us to get past a fear of failure, which we all have. Having done hundreds of poor drawings and a few good ones, I can tell you that the sheer mileage really helps you to soldier on, as you eventually discover (after several years, lol) :) that it actually does get easier.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
07-02-2006, 10:00 PM
Rebeccak

Thanks, I can see improvement in just the 2 months I've been here.very happy about it.thanks to you and a few others for support and advice.But still hard not to compare to others that are much better.did the same with learnig guitar as well, missed out on a lot of fun.

pushing on
head 079 8x11 pencil

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch079R.jpg

Mark

YMS
07-02-2006, 10:25 PM
You're going well with your heads, Mark!
Keep at it, though you may be like me, and still trying to finish up OFDW18 at the same time.


I wouldn't mind having just a fraction of your shading skills... :)
I have an almost finished pencil-sketched head (#63 ) and though I have a good likeness from working by eye alone, I'm stuck with trying to shade it and get it finished.

still hard not to compare to others that are much better
Yes, this is tough at times. Just have to think of how much time and practice they have had to put into their art to be where they are now.

Great that you know how much you are improving - you only have your own progress to work with, and be concerned about, really; not anyone else's. :)

SpiritDreamer
07-02-2006, 10:48 PM
HEY...FateBringer...:thumbsup:
Starting to feel the bone structure under the skin on that last one...also like the line quality, and shadeing.....maybe a few more of the type of line that you have under her chin....neck line...the dark one.....would look nice for top eyelids...nostral....center lip line ect. That kind of
dark expressive line that comes to a point, ...can really add punch to a drawing.
Play the drawing, the same way you play your guitar....with FEELING.....:thumbsup:
Some great progress on your thread so far....keep going....:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

kary
07-03-2006, 02:34 AM
8 x 11 pen head 074
not much better
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/pen074R.jpg

The hair seems particularly good in this one, I thought that there was a great difference between the marker version and this one. Then take one of your old ones (http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/headstudy2R.jpg) and then these latest ones and it really is remarkable isn't it? Gives hope to those of us just getting off the start line ;) Very smooth rendering on the last one. Look forward to the rest of the series.

FateBringer
07-03-2006, 06:14 AM
YMS

Thank you, I'll get it sooner or later
LOL not even half way with ODFW18 + still working on Isabella
Rebeccak has posted a good tutorial for shading, may be of some help,though I thought your shading was pretty good :thumbsup:

think of how much time and practice they have had to put into their art
yea I know just impatient


SpiritDreamer

was a bit happier with this one

lines went back and darked up some as suggested, thanks, think it helped might have went over board though :) I'll repost it tomarrow.

shading went back to using my finger to smudge with, loose a lot of texture though

Thanks for the suggestions :wise:


kary

Thanks :D ok when you put it like that there is a big differance, but the early one is with wacom pen and I have just started with that. That reminds me I need to get back to that. One of the reasons I started this thread.



Mark

FateBringer
07-03-2006, 12:41 PM
head 010
8x11 pencil
definately not feeling this hair dew :eek:

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch010R.jpg

head 036
unfinished pencil

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch036R.jpg

Mark

Rebeccak
07-03-2006, 04:26 PM
Mark,

Regarding hair or anything else, a good rule to follow is, "When in doubt, ANALYZE". The main thing not to do is to average out a form and then to emphasize it in an attempt to finish it. Even hair can be broken down into planes, and I think the problem is that the hair is oversimplified, and then emphasized. Try sketching in the planes of the major locks of hair instead of averaging out the shape with a simple curve. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
07-03-2006, 09:44 PM
Rebeccak

hehe sould have stop and went back to computer to try and lighten it so i could see, just got lazy. curly hair gives me trouble even when I can see though.

Thanks for advice :)

saw you did 074 maybe I'll go back and redo comparing with yours.I can see my errors better looking at your. Thanks.Did a little make over on my pen version -- Water color-- LOL-- just experimenting :D


head 024
8 x 11 pencil

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch024R.jpg

small make over on 079 -- some darker lines

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch079FR.jpg

experiment on 74

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch074fR.jpg

once again water in sketch book is not a good thing
I'm slow LOL

Mark

YMS
07-03-2006, 09:49 PM
water in sketch book...

...gives # 74 a background radiant glow, LOL :)

Rebeccak
07-04-2006, 10:15 AM
FateBringer,

Nice work on this one, the delicacy of the contour vs. the soft shading of the interior is working nicely I think:


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch079FR.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
07-06-2006, 02:57 PM
head 060
8 x 11 pencil


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch060R.jpg

Mark

aLoneCuzzo
07-06-2006, 03:04 PM
I really like this last one! keep it up

SpiritDreamer
07-06-2006, 03:39 PM
Hi...FateBringer...:thumbsup:

BEAUTIFUL job on that last one...:applause:

Always keep in mind that you are dealing with values ...even in line drawings....you want to have a range fom the lightest light..value,...to the darkest dark..value....to really carve the form into, and out of the space it inhabits.

HUGE LEAP IN PROGRESS ...on that last one...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

razz
07-06-2006, 05:23 PM
Big progress shown in the last piece. Now I can't wait to see more :thumbsup: I see you've put a lot to the last one, I like it.

Rebeccak
07-06-2006, 06:56 PM
FateBringer,

Oh, I agree with all, that last piece is gorgeous! Lovely attention to detail, yet not overly uptight in the shading ~ a perfect balance! Keep up the good work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
07-07-2006, 12:58 AM
YMS,
radiant glow
hehe just what it needed, LOL


aLonecuzzo,

Thanks, I'll try


SpiritDreamer,

Thank you... that's as dark as my HB will go :)
was afraid to mess it up with softer B pencils, but this time around I kept the pencil sharp like you mentioned before, think that really helped. Normally just shapen one or two times a drawing. Next one I'll try to get to jump off the page, LOL maybe.


Razz

Thanks,

I did try to put a little more into that last one, glad that you noticed.
but I think It had more to do with how great the original is than anything I did,
just put in the time and sharpened the pencils.

Rebeccak,

Thank you, deffinately going to try. hate when that 2 steps back thing kicks in.
Studing your work with the cross hatching really a big help, thanks for sharing. :)

Mark

YMS
07-07-2006, 01:46 AM
Definitely agree with the others about head #60 - very impressive sketching, Mark.

You obviously put in a lot of time and effort and it shows! :thumbsup:

aLoneCuzzo
07-07-2006, 02:28 AM
Hey how long have you been playin your axe?

I'm a novice, got a fender strat over here

FateBringer
07-09-2006, 02:56 AM
YMS
Thanks ,was about 4 hrs I think, took alot of breaks. Should have been working on ODFW18, never finish on time. So I did another head, took about the same time.

AloneCuzzo
been playing 20 year, still learning :). i have several, favorites are Jackson electric,
Epiphone double neck (like jimmy pages :)) and an Ovation acoustic/electric.



todays head
8 x 11 pencil

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch057R.jpg

didn't jump off the page this time but I think I'm getting closer. :)

Mark

aLoneCuzzo
07-09-2006, 07:00 AM
20 YEARS?!?!? haha! That's so cool!

I like this head, especially the circular shading, sort of like it follows the shape of the head. Great job!

FateBringer
07-14-2006, 10:00 PM
aLoneCuzzo

Thanks, just coping the original the best I could




have been away a few days, argueing with computer, I say go it limps, crawls and then nothing. Love it
Anyway few more heads. On this batch I was tring to go as fast as I could so maybe I would stop thinking about it so much or something like that If you know what I mean. There not great but ok I guess for what they are.

14 x 17 newsprint
Pencil 3b,5b,6b
10-20 min each

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/group6.jpg

Mark

EDIT: umm, that last one really got away from me...supose to be 075 LOL

FateBringer
07-15-2006, 02:16 AM
003
8x11
pencil/charcoal


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch003R.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
07-15-2006, 07:54 PM
038
pencil hb
8 x 11

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch038R.jpg

Mark

YMS
07-16-2006, 01:46 AM
Great going with your head drawings, Mark! :thumbsup:
It's very impressive that you do so well with that pencil.

I've chickened out with sketching any heads so far, apart from a start on # 63 :)

(I've also realised that producing the whole 50 is a big ask, so I've modified my target to 35. Got to leave some energy and time for OFDW18.)

Hope you get some time to work on Isabella and your OFDW18 :)

Edit to add: argueing with computer, I say go it limps, crawls and then nothing.
That's got to be frustrating! At least it's not the blue screen of death, , which I've heard about, but luckily not experienced :)

FateBringer
07-16-2006, 03:40 AM
YMS

Thanks I should be working with my wacom like you thats was my original intention when I start out back in april but it takes me more time which I don't seem to have enough of lately,I mean ever. LOL still learning so it's all good.

i decided to put Isabella and ODFW18 off pretty much till the head thing is over, think I get more out of that at this stage.

computer back to normal, no blue screen thank god, been there done that not good!


last head for the night I think, tried something differant again :)
scanned in saw some errors, tried to fix, made worse, oh well :eek:
head 096
9 x 12
charcoal/chalk/rag and couple fingers , what a mess but fun

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch0963R.jpg

Mark

Trunks
07-16-2006, 01:00 PM
Hi FateBringer,
I have a question to you. The next time you scan your heads, can you post them a little larger? It is hard to see the brush strokes on your drawings and I would like to see them a little more ;) (I did not read every single post if you explained the size please forget about everything)



Keep them cooming !

FateBringer
07-16-2006, 07:16 PM
Trunks
didn't really think my stuff was worth studing, but I'll post them bigger, not a problem :)
thanks for checking out my work.

next head posted bigger but is divided into 4 sections so won't help much sorry
making things hard on myself I decided to play with the lighting using same fig 030
the back light one seemed to give me the most trouble, guess I need a model

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch0302R.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
07-17-2006, 05:14 AM
one for the redo pile, first thing tomarrow
that hand/arm was kicking my butthttp://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch012R.jpg

Mark

YMS
07-17-2006, 06:32 AM
decided to play with the lighting using same fig 030
Great idea, Mark, to experiment like this :thumbsup:

Your sketches are mounting up - don't let that guy's arm and hand get the better of you :) Looking forward to seeing how you "redo".

FateBringer
07-17-2006, 03:36 PM
YMS

Thanks that was interesting would like to do some more like that but not 012 LOL to hard
speaking of 012 ...umm...tried again...throw in the towel :shrug:

012
unfinished pencil
8 x 11

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch0122R.jpg

Mark

Rebeccak
07-17-2006, 03:41 PM
Mark,

I've been following your progress and I think you're doing a remarkable job ~ far better work than you are giving yourself credit for, that is for sure! :) Lovely job with this last pencil piece, you and other people working traditionally are inspiring me to work more traditionally, which I have been neglecting. Looking forward to seeing much more! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Trunks
07-17-2006, 06:06 PM
Thanks a lot for posting your images bigger! I can really see better how you put your strokes and how you try to give your heads volume!

Keep it up I am really tired and sleepy I can't say anything usefull sorry ;) Next time :)

OK only one thing: Have you tried to give volume and form by only shading? I mean make no outlines ... just the rest. Try it if you want, this is really interresting and funny and a good way to learn :)

FateBringer
07-18-2006, 01:39 AM
RebeccaK

Thanks for the great compliment :) pushes me harder, builds confedence which I just may need a tiny bit of. Doesn't mater what medium you work in it's all awesome and helps greatly see how differant things are done. Took some notes on your pencil work last night. tried to apply what you did to my work. think it was better but hard to keep at it, took along time.kind of petered out by the end.
... I know, i know go darker. LOL


Trunks

no problem hope it might help
about the shading I believe I did try it a long time ago when I was in high school.funny i never took art in school so might have been in english class LOL
may still have it, post it if I can find it
Thanks


head 083
pencil
8 x 11

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch083R.jpg



Mark

Edit: :eek: looked better in sketch book, oh well

Rebeccak
07-19-2006, 08:00 AM
Mark,

You're welcome! :) I think it's always inspiring to see people who work hard toward their goals. I was always the person in school who had to work hard in order to get decent grades, do well artistically, etc., so believe me when I say that the results you will get are 90% effort and hard work. ;)

With this last piece you have gotten a great sense of volume, and I really like the combination of shading and line. Keep up the good work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Trunks
07-19-2006, 11:37 PM
Trunks

no problem hope it might help
about the shading I believe I did try it a long time ago when I was in high school.funny i never took art in school so might have been in english class LOL
may still have it, post it if I can find it


Thanks, I am looking forward to see this :) Haha I always forget that most of you guys here are not in school like myself and that you might have done sketches when I was not even born ;) But great you used your english hours like I am. Sitting there listen, understanding nothing and drawing on the copies you get from your teacher ;)

FateBringer
07-20-2006, 04:43 AM
RebeccaK

thanks, hard work never deters me, I think I look for it, so i'm never bored :thumbsup:


Trunks

I couldn't find that drawing, guess I might have to try one of that type again.
Looking back I regret that statement I made about English class. I know it sounded as if I would draw instead of doing my work but that was not the case. I only drew before class started and after I was finished my classwork. Though I didn't plan on going to college I always took the classes needed to get in to one just in case I changed my mind. Ended up being able to get in but I chose not to go. It wasn't because I didn't make the grade.
I would recommend doing everything you can to keep your grades up to get that spot in a university :) that goes for everyone still in school.
...getting off the soap box now.

I checked out your thread by the way, you have done a lot of great work
keep it up :thumbsup:

Mark

Trunks
07-20-2006, 08:49 PM
Thanks, I'll keep up my work ;)

The english class sentences of mine were meant as a joke ;)

(don't laugh I have opened the reply to your thread window now for 1hour because I chatted with friends and thought I had send the reply - and now I forgot what I wanted to write HAHA)


I am looking forward to your drawing :)

FateBringer
07-21-2006, 01:12 AM
head 054
pencil
8 x 11

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch054R.jpg

Mark

Trunks
07-21-2006, 02:31 AM
This looks great! I wonder why the shaded areas are looking .. well ... like they look ^^ I mean the top left shadow area. This is looking a little strange because there are small white dots everywhere. Maybe next time you can try to get this better ... maybe it depends on the paper or which with what angel you hold your pencil. Don't know but I hope you can fix it :)

Maybe I am a little fussy... anyway I want to help you to improve even if it is just some little thing and maybe it really does not depend on your style ... but maybe it does ;)

FateBringer
07-21-2006, 05:11 AM
Trunks
thanks and yea it's a combination of both, not much I can do. little less noticable in the sketch book though.


a quickey
034
pencil
8 x 11

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch034R.jpg

was suppose to be a quickey until i gave it a slow death LOL
033
pencil
8 x 11

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch033R.jpg

Mark

Thomasphoenix
07-21-2006, 05:38 AM
Hi Mark,
Lots of nice studies here!:thumbsup:
I have a small tip for u , maybe you ought to give your drawings a second "correction Pass"
to finish out details like eyes , nostrils ears and hair which falls inside the facial area.Mostly all artists work with multiple such correction passes.I work with three passes for fast drawings or seven to eight passes for detailed stuff ! that way u seperate out the rough sketch from the layers of detail!


rgds

Siju

Rebeccak
07-21-2006, 06:11 AM
Mark,

Head 054 is looking great! :) While the back of the head may be elongated, I think the overall effect of the drawing is really cohesive and nice. With the last two I think a bit of your focus was lost, but that's to be expected when doing so many of these ~ am trying myself to regain focus after being at the beach, lol. :D

Great stuff, looking forward to more. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

YMS
07-21-2006, 11:41 PM
Go, Mark! :)

Your pencil heads continue to impress - keep it up.

Have you kept track of how many, now - must be burning them up yourself at this rate :)

FateBringer
07-22-2006, 06:13 AM
Thomaspheonix

Thanks for compliment and tip, appreciate it a lot :)
I wasn't 100% sure exactly what you ment, so I went back and really went over some of your heads (awesome) and i think I got.I don't think it showed in the next 2 though. Will be some time before I reach your level confedence and abillity.


RebeccaK

Thanks, hehe had some problems with the shape of his head.
Think your right about the last two, probably thinking of my pillow.The last one is just horrible looks more like that evil guy in star wars.

maybe an idea for a tutorial-- exploring the really dark side


YMS

Thanks, trying - must go faster
LOL, no I lost count I think around 30 done, not counting a couple redos.


couple more - worked on a clip board for these on smoother paper
seemed to be able to get darker and crisper lines.
didn't come out as well as I had hoped though

head 049
pencil
9 x 12

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch049R.jpg


head 095 or maybe a martian got the proportions off
pencil
9 x 12

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch095R.jpg



Mark

FateBringer
07-22-2006, 06:43 AM
ok fixed this one, much better now 095 the Martian :eek: :rolleyes:
I better get some sleep getting stupid

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch095RMartian.jpg


night
Mark

YMS
07-22-2006, 12:20 PM
#95's a colourful fellow! :)

FateBringer
07-22-2006, 08:12 PM
30th head
skills waning, brain turning to mush
good thing for band practice

085
9 x 12

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch085R.jpg


Mark

FateBringer
07-23-2006, 03:39 PM
try for 10 today LOL


Coral paint shop
grayscale
1600 x 1600 pix

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch071R.jpg


Mark

Rebeccak
07-23-2006, 04:01 PM
Mark,

LOL at the Martian! :D The head of #085 is very nicely drawn, lovely work there. :) I think the upper torso looks a bit large for the head but I'm not comparing it to the original. Really liking the detail on the hair and the close relationships of lines used to draw the face and neck. Keep up the good work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
07-23-2006, 07:07 PM
RebeccaK

Thanks
on 85, started to re-adjust but just to much fixing for the tim i had
maybe later


031
coral paint shop

32/50

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch031.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch031R.jpg

Mark

Jho
07-23-2006, 07:46 PM
The Medusa is looking good. The expression is awesome :D
I also like your rendering, but I think yuo should sketch more before starting to draw the details (marking the correct positions of eyes, nose, mouth etc.).
But you sure can put a state of mind in your pictures, those eyes of the Medusa are hypnotizing (as they should be, her gaze turned to stone you know :))

FateBringer
07-23-2006, 11:35 PM
Jho

Thanks for the compliment and the suggestion, I do tend to rush onto the shading.


2 more
64 & 58

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch064-58R.jpg


Mark

FateBringer
07-24-2006, 04:26 AM
last one of the day

059 35/50

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch059R.jpg


Mark

Frejasphere
07-24-2006, 12:26 PM
Hey there Mark :)

Have seen your work on the 50 heads and thought I'd pop in and say hi :) great work and super progress... like your sense of humour too ;) Funny with these heads, that ones you've been staring at and drawing pop up seen through others eyes... I love it :) Today I did a pastel drawing of #59... and getting to the end of your thread and seeing it there again was pretty cool :)

keep it up and cheers

a.
:thumbsup:

krispee
07-24-2006, 05:12 PM
hey, mark, cheers for the comment on my thread, some nice anatomy studies you have here, and the amster study on page 1 is really nice.....haven`t had time to look through all your work so i`ll try later.....
keep up the good work.....

kris

FateBringer
07-25-2006, 03:12 AM
next 2 got al little lazy with them

065 woops guess thats only one LOL no other #,

that'll teach me to get lazy

err 36/50


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch065R.jpg


Mark

FateBringer
07-25-2006, 03:25 AM
Frejashere

Thanks for the compliment.It really is neat seeing the same face though other eyes. The really amazing thing is how many people draw the same face around the same time as you, must be some psi taking place. :) thanks for stopping in



Krispee

Thanks, i apreciate the compliment.



Mark

YMS
07-25-2006, 05:01 AM
Mark, it should count as "two"! :)

You've done very well to have produced all of these sketches - much harder than digital paint, I think - 40 heads, you're almost there :thumbsup:

FateBringer
07-25-2006, 09:46 PM
YMS
I think digital is harder for me at this time
50/50 just not gointg to happen


37/50
097
colored pencil
aprox. 6 x 6
goofed up his left eye

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch097R.jpg


Mark

Intervain
07-25-2006, 09:58 PM
Really like to see the improvement in your drawing skills from image to image! I love the martian btw, LOL Keep'em coming <img>

FateBringer
07-25-2006, 11:58 PM
Intervain

Thanks


38/50
035
colored pencil
aprx. 6 x 8

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch035R.jpg


Mark

FateBringer
07-26-2006, 04:00 AM
killed another, but I think I could get the hang of colored pencil eventually
39/50

093
colored pencil
aprx. 6 x 9
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch093R.jpg


Mark

FateBringer
07-26-2006, 05:10 PM
40/50

091
pencil
9 x 12

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch091R.jpg


Mark

Trunks
07-28-2006, 04:14 PM
You should try to define more shadows and do less border lines ... (like the nose) ... hope you understand :) But good work !

Maybe you can try another paper? Might be interresting ;)

FateBringer
07-29-2006, 01:24 PM
Trunks

Thanks, I'll work on it



Back to this one
switched to another computer, I think screen res. is different. This could be a bad thing for me every thing looks differant.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/iscolor10laptopR.jpg

Mark

Frejasphere
07-29-2006, 03:30 PM
Hey there again Mark :)

Think there's been a fair bit of psi going around with these heads ;) pretty cool to see same one popping up in lots of places and then a different one doing the rounds the next day...

Even though you said you got lazy with #65... it's a funny capturing of his face that has some charicature like elements to it :)

Good luck with painting will be back to see how you go :) :thumbsup:

cheers a. :)

FateBringer
08-02-2006, 11:57 PM
Frejasphere,

Thanks for stopping bye

Good luck with painting will be back to see how you go
working on that was the start of a disheartening week :sad:. went from not being able to paint the hands to my liking, to not being able to draw a stick figure right. LOL. Think I'm finally coming out of the slump. :D I hope!

I've read that when that happens your on the the verge of breaking through a plateau you've reached. LOL, not seeing it, but I still can hope for it anyway.

Mark

FateBringer
08-03-2006, 12:09 AM
A couple attemps at hands at the end of my dreadful week

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/hand001R.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/hand002R.jpg

and a trunk study, working on my hatching, not sure why I like blending.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/trunk001R.jpg


Mark

Trunks
08-04-2006, 05:02 PM
Hi there!

This last studies have to much outlines. Try to do them softer. MAybe use a harder pencil ;)

Keep it up :)

FateBringer
08-05-2006, 12:57 AM
Trunks

LOL I've been trying very hard to refrain from using my beloved 4h.




heres a study i did while trying to set wacom up more to my liking
is there any way to turn tablet up side down and still be able to draw right side up?
that's probably hard to understand. I'm left handed and my palm always hit the control area.
hehe fixed it with baseball card and tape was just thinking it might be nice to be able to use the controls if i needed.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/legstudy01_copy.jpg

Mark

Cris-Palomino
08-05-2006, 01:16 AM
Just went through your thread, Mark. It is great watching your initial work and development on the Hunt piece. The cool thing about these threads is that you can see your progress. Come back a year from now...the hope is that we will all truly see a difference and, with rare exceptions, time and effort pays off. I can already see it in your pages.

Great work...I look forward to more.

Cris

Frejasphere
08-05-2006, 06:01 AM
Hey again Mark :)

Love that leg study, it really has great volume and shading detail :thumbsup:

Wish I could give some advice on the Wacom for lefthanders (I live with one so I know how many things are totally righthanded in design.. unfair at times ;) ).

keep it up and great to see your constant progress here :bounce:

cheers
a. :)

Trunks
08-05-2006, 06:17 PM
Trunks

LOL I've been trying very hard to refrain from using my beloved 4h.
Mark

You are using a 4h pencil? WOW this is crazy ... I don't even have a 4h ... my collection begins with 3h and end with 8b. I wonder how you can do such strong lines with a 4h ? I personally prefer hb or 2b ...

This leg study looks nice to me ;) Good work ;)

Rebeccak
08-05-2006, 07:13 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/sketch091R.jpg
Mark,

This is a gorgeous drawing! I agree with Cris that it is great to see your improvement ~ you seem to be developing a lot more confidence with the traditional pieces which is really cool to watch.

I quite like this piece as well:


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/trunk001R.jpg

Keep up the great work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

FateBringer
08-05-2006, 11:00 PM
Cris-Palomino

Thanks for visitng and taking the time to review my progress. The hunt piece is very much
a learning and relearning piece for me. Hope it's done before the years end. LOL



Frejasphere

Thanks for the compliment. The left hand thing...I'll manage...ambidextrous mostly LOL check my avatar, hehe, playing right handed.


Trunks

Thanks, my set goes from 9b to 8h. My question is hows idea was it to though an f in the middle? Them 8h pencils last for ever LOL have watch out for cutting throught the paper.


RebeccaK

Thanks for the compliments, I really appreaciate your reviews and suggestions. It helps me to focus my attention i tend to go all over the place at once. LOL



*
Every day you may make progress. Every step may be fruitful. Yet there will stretch out before you an ever-lengthening, ever-ascending, ever-improving path. You know you will never get to the end of the journey. But this, so far from discouraging, only adds to the joy and glory of the climb.
Sir Winston Churchill


Mark

FateBringer
08-05-2006, 11:18 PM
wacom practice from the other day
playing with colors, need to have more contrast i thhink

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Untitled-1.jpg

wacom practise today
foreshorting the head from the side
from Drawing the head and figure
by Jack Hamm

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/foreshortening_the_head_from_the_side.jpg
working toward more confident lines...a bold line in the wrong direction is no help lol

Mark

Intervain
08-06-2006, 12:14 AM
great sketches - I like this wacom practice - will have to give it a go!

and I love that thigh on yellow bg!

FateBringer
08-06-2006, 12:59 AM
INTERVAIN

Thanks for the compliment, only have had wcom for 4 months and end up doing traditional most of the time. Need to practice with it




Mark

FateBringer
08-06-2006, 03:18 AM
check 123 check

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_6.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_8_14.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_15_2.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_5_108.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_6_5.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_13_6.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_4_6.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_4_4v.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_1_230.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_9_11.gif


well i guess that's enough of that, just found them been on-line since 95 LOL

Mark

FateBringer
08-06-2006, 04:19 PM
more practice, blah

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/foreshortening_the_head_from_the_side2_copy.jpg

Mark

Trunks
08-06-2006, 10:40 PM
The nose of the girl in the middle looks not very nice ... the rest of this piece is well done :)

FateBringer
08-07-2006, 02:42 AM
Trunks

LOL your being to kind. whole list of problems I have noted on this page
the only reason i posted is because when I started this thread i would post every thing done with the wacom, good or bad. it's too easy too hit delete and move on.
and besides if i only posted the good, may never post anything.

Mark

Frejasphere
08-07-2006, 04:55 AM
Cool sketches Mark :)

Very curoius about trying out a Wacom or similar... can you use colour with any of them or does it need to be a special colour version? (obvious doh question from one who knows zilch ;) )

Keep it up :thumbsup:

cheers
a. :)

FateBringer
08-07-2006, 05:20 AM
Frejasphere

Thanks

umm... not the best person to answer this but will try.Wacom pen and pad is to me just a replacement for your mouse but is easier to draw on the computr with since it is a pen shape. you can use it in any program but in a drawing program like photoshop it just makes it easier to control the strokes. I got a small one pad 5" x 7" for 200$ on sale and it came with demo versions of photoshop and coral painter. i believe most people here that are doing digital use a wacom pad & pen. the colors and textures you can work with will be determined by the program you are using it in.should be millions of shades.
I would recomend one if your thinking of trying digital painting or drawing

hope this helped
Mark

Frejasphere
08-07-2006, 11:03 AM
Thanks Mark :)

That's great :) it's good to have a few good points when starting to look :) much appreciated!! As I gather you come from a traditional background, you are perfect to ask ;) and I am thankful for the feedback :thumbsup:

I guess my main idea is to be able to use digital as a tool-extention or similar... and need to have a play with it before I put my foot in my mouth :D I do have photoshop.. that I'm sort of learning bit by bit as I go... mainly to scan images - and I think just to have a dabble if anything, and see what digital feels like - would be exciting :)

btw I liked your collection of emoticons too...

cheers & take care
a. :)

FateBringer
08-09-2006, 01:25 AM
Frejashere

np, glad to be of help, only other thing I can think of is that I miss being able to turn my paper quickily and easily. And when painting I like to stand up.
and there's something about the smell of art supplies that seem to be missing on the computer, LOL.



made a mess of this one, may need to draw a splint over this leg, may be fractured
also maybe I should go back to manual control of pressure
wacom

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/legstudy2_copy.jpg



Mark

Rebeccak
08-09-2006, 01:28 AM
Mark,

As usual, you are too hard on yourself. :) I find this last drawing to be stunningly beautiful ~ would love to see more work like this!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Thomasphoenix
08-09-2006, 02:25 AM
The thigh is rendered beautifully in this piece! The knee and down seems to be a bit mushy!
I think u can use a soft eraser and then rework the knee and shin area, its a piece well worth rescuing!:)

SpiritDreamer
08-10-2006, 01:32 PM
Hi....FateBringer....:thumbsup:
REALLY like where your going technique wise, with those leg studies....GREAT LOOK TO THEM.:applause:...The accuracy comes with practice....just like it does with your music..:)
GREAT AND BEAUTIFUL progress happening in your thread...REAL PLEASURE TO SEE IT HAPPENING...:thumbsup:
The difference between traditional and digital, is like the difference between accustic and electric instruments...the one cannot achieve the effects that the other can..:bounce: :eek: :scream: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Frejasphere
08-11-2006, 12:01 AM
Hi Mark,


Thanks for the comparisons and advice - think it would be hard for me to give up traditional materials, simply because of the way they feel, smell and work, it's part of the joy, walking in to the art-supplier and going "ahhhhhhh :D" like the kid in the candy shop ;) But then like Glenn says... different methods and tools have different qualities :)

Really like these leg sketches :) keep them coming :)

cheers and take care
a. :)

FateBringer
08-11-2006, 12:02 AM
RebeccaK

hehe your to kind, thank you though, i really appreciate it.:) Definatly be seeing more, I think hatch is starting to grow on me.

a thought if you happen to have time...
I got the Vilppu drawing manual, after going though it a couple of times I have been having mixed feelings on weather to go through and copy (like I have done with hogarth)or use other ref. photos trying to use his technique.
What would you recomend? Thanks

Thomaspheonix

Thanks, think I need to go back and do bone and muscle studies was having trouble translating photo to hatching. I see what i can do with the knee on down first.


SpiritDreamer

Thanks,glad you like it, not sure where i'm going in terms of technique,beter is my usual goal, guess i need to rein it in some LOL
come to think of it that's my goal in every thing
just curious, do you play an instrument too?




tried to fix up that last leg some ... already see where I missed on the fixing up part :scream:

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/legstudy2b_copy.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
08-11-2006, 03:07 AM
ok going easy LOL
leg study...err sketch some errors
had a go at OC4 after watching zhuzhu's magic

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/legstudy3_anteriorview.jpg

didn't realize i was recording at first, kind of got an adrenilan rush once I realised,LOL.
easy,easy...anyway will try to figure out how to link to event file if anyone is interested
it's in Open cavas 4.06


hmm... can't seem to make it work right ... work on it more later

Mark

FateBringer
08-12-2006, 05:38 AM
little work on the waterhouse painting

http://home.comcast.net/%7Efatebringer/P1010016R.jpg


Mark

krispee
08-12-2006, 09:31 AM
coming along on the waterhouse....tell you what i looked at that one and passed, that`s a hard one!

kris

YMS
08-14-2006, 04:50 AM
it's in Open cavas 4.06


hmm... can't seem to make it work right ... work on it more later
Hope you can get it to work, sometime, Mark. It's interesting to see them - have you watched any of Zhuzhu's yet?

Good on you for getting back to the Waterhouse. You're also going great with your sketching. :)

FateBringer
08-14-2006, 05:22 AM
krispee

Thanks, may take awhile



YMS

well that's the program I got but when I try to reload from web site it tries to open in 2.0 not sure why maybe something to do with it being a trial version , not sure. not that great anyway, but I'll work on it some more.
zhuzhu's I watched them all --awesome--


some bones

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/knees001R.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Feet001R.jpg


Mark

FateBringer
08-20-2006, 03:25 AM
a few leg studies

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/legs002R.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/legs003R.jpg

sketches no ref

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/tattoos001R.jpg


Mark

SpiritDreamer
08-20-2006, 04:02 AM
Mark......:thumbsup:

WOW.....That line of yours is GREAT....BEAUTIFUL....:applause:
Think you are going about it the right way...studying Hogarth, plus the bones and tendons ect.
from other artist...Hogarth will teach you how to apply what you learn from the others.
Keep up the great studies....consentrate on your weak areas first, then the rest will come easier...:)
REAL PLEASURE SEEING YOUR PROGRESS...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

razz
08-20-2006, 09:45 AM
I've learnt that when learning anatomy (muscles in this case) it's much better to know from where to where it attaches. I did some drawings of muscles when I just started learning anatomy, but I couldn't memorise it. Let's say the muscles of the arm and forearm. There are lots in there. Just by knowing how it looks from outside I got lost when I wanted to draw from imagination. In other words, I didn't really know the muscles that are there. So now I'm learning where muscles attach. Easier to memorise and better when drawing because it affects the form. Hope this helped a little :)

I could write more of what I want to say, but I think you get my point.

Frejasphere
08-20-2006, 10:55 AM
Hi Mark :)

These muscle and bone studies are looking great :) :thumbsup: Like your shading, and the lines are lovely :) Been a long day; I would write more, but fear I'll go into blabber-mode, so just to say hi and great work and I'll pop back soon :)

cheers
a. :)

FateBringer
08-20-2006, 07:15 PM
SpiritDreamer

Thanks, trying to get though the whole body, eventually


Razz

yea i know what you mean i can get lost looking back and forth from original to copy.
Thanks for the advise


Frejashere

Thanks I appreciate you stopping buy. LOL you can blabber all you want :) I don't mind



Feet for today

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/Feet003R.jpg

Mark

Frejasphere
08-21-2006, 12:54 AM
Those feet are spectacular :) :thumbsup: nice... very nice... and another one of those slightly surprising moments scrolling down to find.... feet, when I'd been drawing hands and well yes, a few feet - the same day :D

cheers and take care
a. :)

FateBringer
08-21-2006, 02:26 AM
Frejashere

LOL, another one for you. A few days ago i agreed to do a mermaid painting (freebee) and then i find you just painted one. spooky


Mark

Frejasphere
08-21-2006, 04:20 AM
Hey Mark!
:D laughing my head off!!! that is very spooky, but way cool at the same time ;)
can't wait to see what the next one will be :wavey:

:) a.

NR43
08-21-2006, 06:24 PM
Mark,

just went through your entire thread. Lovely!
I really liked your head studies, especially nr 0 and 63 (or was it 87?)
I hope you will continue the Isabella study... really enjoy seeing the progress on that one.

Keep it up man your work is inspiring!
Excuse me, gotta sketch a bit now :D

take care,
johan

Trunks
08-27-2006, 10:21 AM
Hi FateBringer!
I really like your anatomy stuedies! Very nice work :) Keep it up :D

FateBringer
08-29-2006, 04:55 AM
Frejashere
yea me too


NR43

thanks , slowly coming along with Isabella, probably have an update soon


Trunks

Thanks


been doing more research than drawing last few days (for a freebie, lol, I must be nuts)
here's a couple of things I managed to do

hip & knees- not very accuate - got lazy

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/hip_001R.jpg

mermaid sketch think this is the pose I will go with- various ref.
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/mermaid001R.jpg

a land scape that just popped out, no ref , maybe do another mermaid different pose.
more of a doodle
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/scene0001R.jpg



Mark

SpiritDreamer
08-29-2006, 02:41 PM
HEY....FateBringer....:)
Just stopping by to see what you've been up to....looks good....:)
On your landscapes.....might try doing the same thing next time ....with your clouds, as you did with the stream...path INTO your doodle.....give those clouds perpective also...will creat great depth in your scapes....also might think about something to bring viewer back out, and around
in the scape.....entrance...round and round... and exit also....:scream: :)
FREEBIES are great to do.....one thing always leads to another...the point is to...DO...:thumbsup:
GREAT to see your studies,...and imaginings...:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
08-30-2006, 02:11 AM
SpiritDreamer

Thanks for the comenents.

an Exit ! haha, it's part of my master plan, no exit, trap all veiwers (evil grin)
back to reality. I know about the leading in and around (haven't mastered) but have never thought or read about an exit, tried looking for this in a few paintings I don't see it. have to look into this.


underwater sketch

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/scene0003R.jpg

a little cutting and pasting

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/scene0004R_copy.jpg

this is not working think I will do some more sketching


Mark

SpiritDreamer
08-30-2006, 12:04 PM
Hi....FateBringer...:)
The exit, is an art in itself....kind of like when the band leaves the stage,...leaving the audiance
wanting more....hence the oncore.
The reason you don't see it,the exit, is because it was done...composed properly...but in a great painting,...it will always be there...don't want the viewer to be aware, that they are being led through a journy....:)
You want the viewer to have the freedom to leave the painting,...but the desire to go back for more...NOBODY LIKES A PRISON...:)
You might go to the library, and get as many books on composition as you can find.
There are some great books on composition, can't remember the names of them off hand.
I remember reading one awhile back, that showed great examples of old masterpieces, and their
exit stradigies ....used diagram overlays of thier paintings, to show how they did it.
I first heard about it years ago in my fist painting class.
There is a sequence to a good painting....kind of like a roller coaster ride....you go up that fist hill, then the journy and real excitement begins....:scream: ....the ride comes to an end,...you exit,...and if it was a GREAT ride,.....you go back, ..FOR MORE....:bounce:

Sorry that I can't remember the names of those books,....but any good book on composition
will show you what I have just tried to explain...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
08-31-2006, 02:16 PM
SpiritDreamer

Thanks for the great explination :) this is something I should take more time with, usually concentrate more on getting the figures drawn right, oops. Found some stuff on the net about an exit. it baically said it is usually a part of the painting with less detail to give your eyes a rest and to take your eyes away from the painting if you choose. now I must find out more to see how it fits in with the rest, becuase i aways thought the path lead you to the focul point of a painting.so question for me is how to get from focal point to the exit point?

another artist i once knew gave me i big old book(1 1/2 thick) on composition with no examples, was a tough read, didn't make it to the end of the ride LOL. must have lost it when i moved, have to find a new one.

thanks again
Mark

FateBringer
08-31-2006, 11:16 PM
re-did the mermaid sketch
still have to work on the left arm and right hand
composition ? seem ok i guess, suggestions welcome

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/scene0006R.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
09-01-2006, 04:45 AM
hands and feet done for now may need to adjust some later, NOT that happy with them but feel the need to go forward.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/iscolor12laptop_copy.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/iscolor12laptopFeet.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/iscolor12laptophHANDS.jpg



MARK

NR43
09-01-2006, 07:43 AM
Heyah FateBringer

I'm really pleased you didn't abandone her :)
Her right hand seems a bit short compared to her left. I'm sure you noticed. Maybe you'll want to fix that later on
Carefull not to get the edges of her figure too blurry. I'd love to see some deeper shadows in this piece... would really increase the wow factor I think. What I'm trying to say is that my eye keeps being attracted by the dark space of the doorway, away from the character.
Anyway, I think you planned to move on so maybe I just need more patience :)
Keep at it!

FateBringer
09-01-2006, 02:39 PM
omg, a perfect day, nothing to do but try and be creative and wait for the cable guy (11-2:rolleyes:.)
was reading everyones new posts when my dog (135 lb mastif) comes running toward me, i smile it's good to be loved, he turns and goes to middle of the living room (carpet) turns around and looks at me( not smiling,hmm whats wrong boy) then looks down and lets it rip :scream: last nights dinner and morning breakfast every where :sad:
grrr, that take an hour to clean up and not feeling very creative any more
cann't wait so see how the rest of my perfect day goes.



NR43

thanks for stopping back by
the hands, hehe yea i did notice have to work on it some more later
door way, hmm i see your point, was hoping not to have to draw the bed and things that go in that room but i may have to :sad: maybe when the blanket if finished it will balance things out, will see
shadows, i have a hard time with making them look right when they get real dark, need to work on it

starting to feel better already maybe i will get something done after all :)

Mark

Frejasphere
09-02-2006, 12:29 AM
Hey again Mark... :)

Been in non-post mode for a while, had the earth giant hanging over me (in ideas only stage.. :scream: ) and too much work on the side to get my act together... Pop in here to see how things are going :thumbsup: I like how your master is coming along, great sense of softness and colour shading. Her left foot (looking at) might be a tad small, other than that I think it's looking good :)

Oh and re your poor dog... I guess I shouldn't even mention that the main reason I've been gone a few days.. is becuase the whole house here came down with something similar :scream: .. and it started pretty much the same way (carpet) although it was 6 year old boy instead of the non-existent dog :D

Hope all is well now and creativity returned :)
take care and cheers
a. :)

Cris-Palomino
09-02-2006, 09:36 AM
Hiya, Mark.

I like the mermaid sketch...I am thinking that it may be cropped in a bit too much. Somehow it looks like an interior now, rather than the expanse of the ocean. There was something nice about haveing the rocky terrain and the sealife about her. I am wondering what the story in your head is here.

What expresses it in your image? You don't want to have to explain it...you want to be able to show it.

Your master copy is coming along nicely, too.

Cris

FateBringer
09-04-2006, 05:24 AM
Frejashere

thanks for the C&C hehe i forgot a wrinkle in her left foot that seperates her left foot from her leg, maybe this will make foot apear larger.I'll see what happens tomarrow. thanks


Cris

Thanks for the good advise. The first version started with a story in mind but when i put the pieces together I realized a few things.
1 mermaid needed to be turned into the picture more (who whats to see her back, except me, all ready painted one a while ago)
2 had touble drawing the facial expression needed (suprised/troubled look, i should post them, good for a few laughs.
3 would be a huge under taking for me and may have been beyond my ability.

second version has no story, kind of forced for ease and more of what i think is expected. maybe i can get a story from her face, I hope.

oh the story behind the first one.
you the veiwer see the mermaid, she has already felt your presence and is heading away from you-she turns and sees you right before disapearing into the kelp.
implied-the mermaid does not fear the dangerous sea life around her but you the viewer and this all happens in a split second.
you realize this is a once in a life-time event, thhink about giving chase but you know it's hopeless.


todays work, seems like i did so much but looking on the whole did very little probably shouldn't even post...basil plant and some on the blanket
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/iscolor14R.jpg

and same with slight ajustment with the curves function. RebeccaK what can i say
I just cann't achieve this on my own yet :sad:.will be working toward it though :D

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/iscolor14RF.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
09-16-2006, 04:51 AM
I'm so far behind with everything thought i might as well start the torsos. learned so much doing the heads workshop just have to do this one too.

1/50

002
8X11
pencil

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/002R.jpg

Mark

Frejasphere
09-16-2006, 12:31 PM
Hey Mark :)

great to see you join the torsos :thumbsup: and good start too :)

keep them coming!

cheers and take care
a. :)

FateBringer
09-17-2006, 04:33 AM
Frejashere

Thanks :)

next2

2/50
003
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T0030001R.jpg

3/50
006

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T006R.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
09-19-2006, 12:40 AM
4/50

010
photoshop

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T010R.jpg

might work on this some more later, not quit happy with it
first time using masks thought it might speed up the process- not yet lol

Mark

NR43
09-19-2006, 11:07 AM
Hey Mark

I really like that last one
Allthough it's not all that detailed it actually looks like a real statue
Lots of depth and nice texture on the base

good to have you in the torso challenge :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
09-19-2006, 03:20 PM
4/50
010
photoshop

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T010R.jpg


might work on this some more later, not quit happy with it
first time using masks thought it might speed up the process- not yet lol

Mark, I think this piece exhibits a lot of confidence of form - and wonderful use of opposing curves.

Cheers,

-Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
09-19-2006, 06:01 PM
Hi.....Mark...:thumbsup:

Totally agree with Rebecca and NR43 on that last one you posted....GREAT JOB....not sure how you did it
but it has a lot of nice volume, weight ect.....you can always soften up an edge here and there
to creat atmosphere , and give it unity with it's surrounding background, if you do try to make it into a painting with depth ect....just blend some of the background color into it....that is where the dark almost black purple background comes in handy....creates a nice purple shadow when dragged into the figure ...uniting it with the background....just thinking out loud here....got excited when I saw this figure of yours...really different than the drawings you have been doing. I also like them...BUT..
I think you have stumbled onto something really nice here...technique wise. Hope you decide to explore and experiment further with it..:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
09-22-2006, 04:20 AM
arrrgh,bad couple of nights with the comp. have to switch back to pencil for a couple.
two nights and this is as far as i got...frustating

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T015Runfin.jpg


NR43

Thanks, glad you liked it

RebeccaK

Thank you, have read your thead on opposing curves many times maybe, it's starting to sink in.

SpiritDreamer

Thanks for the comments and tips really apreciate it. was hoping to take the next one a little futher but staring to get frazzled have to take a little break from the computer then have a go at it again.

Mark

P.S. maybe i should start each session with some warm up practice like i do with guitar. couldn't hurt

NR43
09-22-2006, 06:29 AM
Yeah just doing a few 2-5min gestures before starting a longer study does miracles...

I hope your hardware problems will be fixed soon
Good luck

FateBringer
09-24-2006, 06:46 AM
NR43

LOL the problem with the computer was me, not sure that's fixable! :scream:


next two not so good either

6/50
005

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T005R.jpg

7/50
069

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T069R.jpg

Mark

Cris-Palomino
09-24-2006, 07:35 AM
Mark,

Try to simplify your shapes and if you're having trouble placing where things should be, give yourself some guidelines to look at that will show where landmarks lie.

http://www.elektralusion.com/painter/torso05grid.jpg

Cris

FateBringer
09-24-2006, 02:51 PM
Chris

Thanks for the tip. :) guess I'd better break out the t-square,off to a bad start again today, these poses are getting the better of me.

7/50
055

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T055R.jpg

Mark

Cris-Palomino
09-24-2006, 06:02 PM
Mark, on the use of grids and other aids, this was an interesting article (http://www.acmi.net.au/AIC/DRAWING_MACHINES.html).

Cris

FateBringer
09-27-2006, 03:19 AM
one done with a grid (back muscle didn't all print clear in ref., so i made some up again):)

8/50
078

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/T078R.jpg

Mark

Frejasphere
10-21-2006, 10:32 AM
Hey Mark :)

Long time no post.... :shrug: :)
Just thought I'd pop in to see how you're going, hoping things are creatively busy and that we'll see more from you soon :)

You did some really nice studies for the Torso challenge; you have a good eye and are really going places with your drawing skills - hoping you are keeping it up!

Your suggestion to do warm-ups before starting on say a more detailed drawing is great, in life-drawing we generally start with a whole heap of 30 second quick sketches; just to get everything moving and to chase out the cob-webs... The other thing it does, is train your eye to look more at what you are drawing than at the paper you are drawing on, and that kind of looking - seeing, helps immensely in getting things in the right places - perspective and all that :D

Anyways... hope all is well
take care and hope to see you back soon

cheers
a. :)

FateBringer
10-22-2006, 07:08 AM
Frejashere

wow it has been awhile, :eek:
does it count if i was thinking creatively while doing not so creative things, if it does
well then i've just been at it non stop. otherwise just been getting things done before cold weather and holidays get here. accually did a little painting today, hope to be back at it more soon.

torso studies... well... cough cough... didn't get as far as i would have liked, need to continue with it i think

warm-ups, oh yea forgot about that already, if only i could convey that in picture form then i would remember to do it forever. LOL

i see you've been hard at it, lots of great work you have done since i last posted, but i already knew this, had to peek in a few times :) also checked out your web sight :thumbsup:hmm Christmas is just around the corner, just may have to head back over there :)

all is well, thanks for thinking of me...ahh ESP... all is ok, lol
Mark

little work
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/waterhouseCR.jpg

Frejasphere
10-23-2006, 12:35 AM
Hiya there Mark :)

Good to see you back, and creative work is creative, no matter what level it's happening on ;) so do keep it up! - all sorted for that Northern Hemisphere winter...

Good to see that you are working on canvas :thumbsup: I like the translucent quality you are getting on her robe - the only two things at this stage that feel a little out of line - are her neck and her up-stretched arm (looks a little long) - but that could be the photo angle too...
The arm holding the cup looks great, and the way you've captured it in the mirror :thumbsup: it will be great to see more as the painting progresses! Are you working in Oils or Acrylic or.. ?

Oh and the picture-form warm up... :D I'm sure that you'd be able to find an emoticon out there that says just that... (you might even design the quick-sketch warm-up emoticon ;) )

Thanks for kind words too :blush: very sweet!

Good to hear that you are well, will pop back very soon to see how things are going, torsos - well with your great start, there's no need to stop :)

and now I shall stop hassling you ;) it's all for the sake of art and enjoyment!

cheers
and take care
a. :)

FateBringer
10-23-2006, 03:00 AM
hey Frejashere
thanks for the comments. I think the neck will look ok when finished shading under the chin but i don't know what to do with the arm :sad: i had the feeling i was lossing my way on the robe so i stopped to go study up on wrinkles, will help with isabella painting too.

working in acrylic but at my pace might as well have used oil.
emoticon- great idea thanks
if it snows i get to stay home and draw all day :D

some wrinkle practice for today -unfinished
from Dynamic wrinkles and drapery by hogarth
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/wrinkles001R.jpg

no caffine= one giant head ache

Mark

FateBringer
10-25-2006, 11:54 PM
some more winkles

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/wrinkles002R.jpg
think this is lacking depth...maybe next one i'll try from a photo and see what happens

Mark

Frejasphere
10-26-2006, 06:15 AM
Hi Mark :)

I like the drapery "wrinkle" studies you are doing - the last one has good lines, adding some darker shading will help create depth :) Like in the first one you did - that's gorgeous draping! :thumbsup:
With your painting; shading her chin will define the area around her neck and I'm sure it will look great :) With her arm; I'm sure you've compared placement of the bar she's holding, the angles and all of that (this is making it pretty obvoius that I haven't looked at the original - sorry :D ), To me it looks as if the bar was lowered a bit, making her hand smaller, then the proportions would fit... Sometimes a bit of artistic freedom is required ;)

Acrylics are great to work in, now a days they aren't really that different from oils (considering all the mediums available to slow drying, add texture or thinning without loss of pigment) you can work fast - or slow, it doesn't matter - I like the freedom of that process :)

Do keep it up, I think you are going great! Will be exciting to see how this one develops - and also Isabella. I've never done a proper canvas painting of an old master piece (only drawings and sketch paintings on paper)... you certainly have me inspired!

take care and cheers!
a. :)

NR43
10-26-2006, 06:34 AM
Hey Mark,


love the wrinkles
I have the book too since last week but I've got 2 others from Hogarth to get through first :)
Keep 'em coming m8. Very pleasing to the eye, these last ones...

SpiritDreamer
10-26-2006, 11:30 AM
HEY...Mark...:thumbsup:

Nice to see those drapery studies....for added depth, you might get a barby doll or manaquin,
something with moveable joints.....get a few pieces of different kinds of cloth...silk, cotton, ect....cut them to size, and creat the folds wrinkles ect. on the figure..doll//maniquin.
Then spotlight them with a lamp, flashlight or whatever, creating dramatic lighting and shadows.
This method will give you a better and more realistic impression of the fabric and depth in it.
You can apply this method to all of the princaples in Hogarths book on drapery.
Each type of cloth will handle and react to the spot light a little differently...these subtle differences,
are what make for great drapery drawing and painting,...and this method of actually being able to see the surface shimmer ect. will stick in your mind better, when you acually are able to see how the light flows over, around, and into the drapery...:)
Just a thought for you to consider while doing those draperies...:)
Nice studies so far by the way.. really like the nice flowing line work..:thumbsup:
Looking forward to seeing MORE..:)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
11-01-2006, 03:15 AM
Frejashere

Thanks :) drapery wrinkles seem to make my forehead wrinkle.
hehe yea i went an scaled that arm out it is very very close not sure why it looks so wrong,have to put some more work into it
slow drying agent that would be nice have look for some, just hate when i mix a good color stand back to ponder, for a minute get one brush full than it's dry LOL
Thanks again for the help :thumbsup:


NR43

Thanks man. I'm going to keep an eye out for yours, sure they'll be great :)


SpiritDreamer

Thanks, great idea. just happen to have 6'x8' black piece of felt.Started with that, did a little holloween thing. dim lit room with bright flash worked pretty well, got the dark darks and white highlights. photos ok not that great of drawing though, seem to be missing something...will be giving it another go :)


my version of headless horsemen
left side ref of black felt, right side no ref

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/headlessR.jpg

and seeing it's holloween,photo of a pumpkin I carved
no filters or effects
just started carving this is what came of it

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/PA280005R.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
11-03-2006, 04:17 AM
wacom scribbles...all i could muster tonight... if you get up stretch walk across room and look back at monitor there not so bad

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/scribblesR.jpg

mark

FateBringer
11-03-2006, 03:20 PM
from sketchathon 15-18 min

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/nudesittingR.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
11-03-2006, 04:12 PM
25 min

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/laying.jpg

Mark

FateBringer
11-03-2006, 05:35 PM
28 min

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/standing_copy.jpg

Mark

batte812
11-04-2006, 03:13 PM
You are making a steady progress. Watch out for proportions on more complicated poses, like those last ones (sitting and lying figure). Keep on going.

Frejasphere
11-05-2006, 02:57 AM
Mark :thumbsup:

Nice work on the cross-legged woman! Working fast can be a great way to loosen up and capture gestural qualities in a pose :)

cheers and take care
a. :)

Cris-Palomino
11-05-2006, 07:46 AM
Love that 25 min. study, Mark. Great to see you continuing your studies.

Cris

FateBringer
11-06-2006, 04:42 AM
Battle812

Thanks:)


Frejashere

:)Thanks, going to try to do at least one fast one a day, you know that warm up thingy :)
have another smilely to add to my list "save often stupid" something about the power blinking out for no appearent reason :scream:

Cris

Thank you- never ending :)


Todays sketches, so much for speed...the more i do the slower i go

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/110506wrinklesRG.jpg

Mark

NR43
11-06-2006, 06:23 AM
The 30min one and the 35min one are much more detailed than the others, plus the higher contrast make them much more vivid...
the foreshortening of the girls left arm in the last pose is just a tad off I think but overall you've spent your time very well I'd say :)

SpiritDreamer
11-06-2006, 10:35 AM
Hi...Mark..:thumbsup:

REALLY like those last studies...getting a nice flow in the cloth, and the figure:applause: ...looks like those fabric studies are paying off..:thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
11-09-2006, 03:12 AM
NR43

Thanks...oops missed that, i tend to focus one aspect and slack in others, hard for me yet to put it all together.

SpiritDreamer

Thank you, feels like i'm gainning something from doing these, going to keep at it and see where it goes.

2 more, trying to incorporate dodge, burn and multiply, really have to watch the settings on these tools LOL

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/110806edit4R.jpghttp://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/110806spinedit2R.jpg

Mark

YMS
11-10-2006, 07:05 PM
Great going, Mark! Your dancers have such life to them.

Frejasphere
11-10-2006, 07:58 PM
Hi Mark :)

Keep them coming!! :) great to see these fabric-in-movement studies - those creases and folds of yours are really going places! :thumbsup:

cheers and take care
a. :)

SpiritDreamer
11-11-2006, 11:02 AM
:) HEY..Mark...Thanks..:)

WOW...That dancer on the left in your last post...she feels as light as a feather, which is what that pose is all about....great sense of movement also...lots of air in there..FANTASTIC JOB..:applause: :thumbsup:
Real pleasure seeing your work come to life..:bounce: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

FateBringer
11-17-2006, 04:22 AM
YMS, Frejashere, SpiritDreamer

Thanks guys i realy appreciate you kind coments, it keeps me motivated to do better. :)
This next one is just...i dont know, just wanted to see what i could do and see how far i've come since April.

photo ref from sketchathon
photoshop
grid, air brush 28/28, earaser 100%, bright/contrast layer
aprox. 25 hrs (20 hrs seeing - 5 hrs painting )

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/110906landingFblackR_.jpg

w/o bright, contast layer

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emlarlham/110906landingFgrayR.jpg

LoL , didn't get the face right but i'm calling it done. ready to look at something else


Mark

NR43
11-17-2006, 06:06 AM
wow I think it's one of your best paintings in terms of texture and light

only part I'm having a bit of trouble with is her lef foot... hard to tell... just something odd about it.

But the texture on that dress is simply mindblowing! The legs are really well rendered too
:bounce:

Keep going Mark you're improving vastly!

Rebeccak
11-17-2006, 06:17 AM
Now *that* is impressive! :) One minor suggestion is to enlarge the size of the hands slightly, and I think that the face needs more work, but the overall impression this gives is very, very impressive. Stunning to see your progress! :)

EDIT: lol just saw what you wrote about the face - I totally understand. :D

SpiritDreamer
11-17-2006, 10:13 AM
WOW....Mark....:applause:

Great to see this kind of progess happening....leaps and bounds...practice makes perfect.
each of your works is getting better and better...Can't wait to see your next piece...:thumbsup: :)
TAKE CARE
Glenn

batte812
11-17-2006, 07:14 PM
Great update! Wonderful how you got that see through effect on the cloth.

Frejasphere
11-17-2006, 11:48 PM
Hi Mark :)

You have really captured movement and the way her muscles are working.. you can almost hear the thud of her foot as she moves into the next spin :) Great work, oh and that translucent fabric! :eek: :thumbsup: 25 hours seeing and painting... awesome!

cheers and take care
a. :)

anandpg
11-18-2006, 06:58 AM
Wow, Mark... Awesome!!:thumbsup: I totally love that drapery!!
... just some minor glitches like the left hand, left foot etc. great going!!:applause: