CGTalk - Kill Bill Trailer

fango

01-03-2003, 04:46 AM

i am a huge Quentin tarantino fan, he totally changed the way movies are made and brought back independant movies back to the frontline.

The kill bill script was up on tarantino fan websites for a year now, and if you read it , you ll know that each line has at least two references to old kung fu flicks from the Shaw brothers. Kill Bill is a movie made by a movie lover, the same love that makes you yell "That s awesome" when chow yun fat throws playing cards with one hand. It s loving movies not only because they are piece of arts, but also pure entertainment.

i read the script and frankly, each line brought smiles to my face, it was like remembering every movie i saw in my childhood. And i only understood one third of the references in the script, can t wait to see it shot (like the Graduate intro in Jackie Brown)

i know some people won t like kill bill because they will simply not get it. They will see it as a corny action kung fu flick, that will maybe look familiar, but that s about it. But for people with the same background and love of movies as Tarantino, it will be an awesome experience )

bentllama

01-03-2003, 04:50 AM

Worst.
Movie.
Ever.

JamesDeschenes

01-03-2003, 05:19 AM

Seriously it is not the worst movie ever.. we have Final Fantasy, Ecks vs Sever, Equliberiem and all those to take that spot..

But seriously it looks kind of neato because it looks so stylized.. reminded me a bit of Hudson Hawk with the villans wearing eye patches and such.... I hope it turns out to be really stylized like that.. exagerated characters an all. :applause:

AJE

01-03-2003, 05:25 AM

Props to Bent... the words right out of my mouth...lol

I pray he doesn't try and act in this one... not even a cameo...

I guess you really have to be a huge Tarantino fan to be thrilled at this release.

Whatever floats you boat I guess...

Revilo

01-03-2003, 05:59 AM

I hate the hell outta Tarantino but I'll probably see this cuz its got swords and motorcycles and I likes it :bounce:

dmcgrath

01-03-2003, 07:08 AM

How can something so awful still, make me want to see it?
I mean really, I'm not a masochist.:shrug:

My Fault

01-03-2003, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by fango
i know some people won t like kill bill because they will simply not get it. They will see it as a corny action kung fu flick, that will maybe look familiar, but that s about it. But for people with the same background and love of movies as Tarantino, it will be an awesome experience )

Well said! This movie isn't made for everyone, but if you've got an iq over 7 and have a love of old Shaw Brothers films, this movie should rock. :thumbsup:

AJE

01-03-2003, 07:19 AM

LOL... an iq over 7

That's funny...

You actually put an IQ limit on an action movie...

My Fault

01-03-2003, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by AJE
LOL...

That's funny...

You actually put an IQ limit on an action movie...

I should've said between 7 and 9....and oh yeah, NOT a Canadian llama :p

Gentle Fury

01-03-2003, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by My Fault
Well said! This movie isn't made for everyone, but if you've got an iq over 7 and have a love of old Shaw Brothers films, this movie should rock. :thumbsup:

what the hell!!!!! First Tim Burton and the planet of marky mark now this???????

very sad day in cinema.....and im sorry first off, if you had an IQ of 7 you wouldnt even be intelligent enough to drool on yourself (average trailer park IQ is between 85 and 100).....secondly watching another version of charlies angels does not require even the slightest degree of intelligence!!!

I really hope this is one of those movies where it just has a really bad trailer packed with all the cheesy FX and the movie itself is good......i hope i hope i hope......i really dont wanna hate quintin!!

SheepFactory

01-03-2003, 07:27 AM

yo people ,

why judge a movie from the teaser? ,

do you guys know something i dont , why is the tendency to hate the movies without even seeing them.

:rolleyes:

Lunatique

01-03-2003, 07:27 AM

Why don't you guys wait and comment AFTER you actually watched the entire movie?

For me, no matter how much he sucks or improves, Pulp Fiction will always be on my top 10 list of best films of all time. That was a work of pure genius--absolutely brilliant.

For all the Tarantino haters--let's see YOU win the Academy Award in your twenties and influence a whole new generation of young film makers.

AWAKE

01-03-2003, 07:28 AM

no.

This is a bad idea.

and no one is talking about the horrible shot of the jet in slow motion flying over cgcity.

laughable.

SheepFactory

01-03-2003, 07:30 AM

awake so you have seen the movie?

My Fault

01-03-2003, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Gentle Fury
what the hell!!!!! First Tim Burton and the planet of marky mark now this???????

very sad day in cinema.....and im sorry first off, if you had an IQ of 7 you wouldnt even be intelligent enough to drool on yourself (average trailer park IQ is between 85 and 100).....secondly watching another version of charlies angels does not require even the slightest degree of intelligence!!!

I really hope this is one of those movies where it just has a really bad trailer packed with all the cheesy FX and the movie itself is good......i hope i hope i hope......i really dont wanna hate quintin!!

Wow Fury, sometimes you really scare me. You should probably avoid this film as I doubt you would understand even 2% of the references. This isn't a dig at your intellect, but it doesn't sound like you've seen the films that this movie would be referencing.

dark_lotus

01-03-2003, 07:36 AM

Gates???

PLEASE!!!

Trailer doesn't look that bad, choreographing looks alright.

AJE

01-03-2003, 07:37 AM

why is the tendency to hate the movies without even seeing them.

cause Tarantino is involved... for me, personal preference says avoid this like the plague...

My Fault

01-03-2003, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by AJE
cause Tarantino is involved... for me, personal preference says avoid this like the plague...

But how can you not love Sonny Chiba??!!?? I guess you were raised in a normal home and not by a crazy Italian grandfather that loved Kung Fu films like I was.

I hope this film is as good as everything I've read. :surprised

stickyblue

01-03-2003, 08:18 AM

this looks good :)

AWAKE

01-03-2003, 08:19 AM

No Sheep,

I haven't. I saw the trailer. It looks bad. it looks loose.

bentllama

01-03-2003, 09:07 AM

I love swordplay and leather clad hot beotches as much as any other CG/Comic dweeb...but I have a predisposition against anything "Post Pulp Tarantino".

I loved the devices he used in Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction was entertaining, mostly due to a great cast and a clever style. I love the fact that Tarantino was Executive Producer for Killing Zoe...another good film. I liked his writing efforts on True Romance. I just cannot forgive the man for From Dusk Till Dawn...just when he started to earn my respect as a patron of his work he throws FDTD in my face.

Oh boy.

I will go see this, because it deserves a look...after all it has boobs and swords...let's just hope that is not the movies only redeeming quality.

:beer:

bentllama

01-03-2003, 09:13 AM

PS: I just wasted my 800th post on this thread.

Damn.

red_oddity

01-03-2003, 09:22 AM

Hmmm...never was a big fan of kung-fu movies...an certainly not that asian bimbo, wasn't she in Charlies Angels aswell?

But, it might be fun to watch on DVD with friends on a Saturday night.

fango

01-03-2003, 10:54 AM

Kill Bill is like the result of a director watching Shaw Brothers and exploitation films all night long. Once you read the script twice or more, you realize that EVERY SINGLE line of text has been thought about, every single line shows the experienced movie fan, that there was another movie, QT has seen, where he got the idea from. There are a zillion references in the Kill Bill script, and at least 40% will remain uncovered.

well, in the trailer, Uma is wearing Bruce's Game of death suit,
the mythical Sonny Chiba wields a sword from Ran,
the creepy girl from Battle Royale uses a weapon seen in Tsui Hark's the Blade,
Uma 's fighting a bunch of Kato clones (remember the Bruceploitation years ?)
the bikes and their riders look a lot like those in John woo's HardBoiled (or any hong kong polar for that matter :P)
the old master looks exactly like Long eybrow in Zu warriors of the Magic mountain,
Lucy Liu under the snow is in the same pose as in the Bride with White Hair
when Uma is readying herself to fight the Katos with katanas, it s the same build up as in Fist of Fury before the nunchaku scene

sonny chciba and carradine in the same movie ?

:eek: geek's dream :P

cuse

01-03-2003, 12:18 PM

QT makes good flicks, i dont think anyone that is a REAL movie lover can say they didnt like at least one of his films, or even just appreciate them... lets face it, theres quality in the scripts and the only way the movie would be let down is the fact that miramax have spat it out... they have made some reeeally bad movies recently so hopefully its true to mr tarantino.

BUT i do see the charlie's angels (http://www.apple.com/trailers/columbia/charliesangelsfullthrottle/large.html) feel that eveyone seems to have made references too. however, i think this is partly from the stylized look everyone had jumped on board with since the matrix and partly from the mis-casting of a terrible actress --->> lucy lui.

anyway, i dont think you can read too much from the teaser but i think itll be a good flick, cant wait to see what uma does after that geeza kicks her in the face, didnt expect him to jump on your sword with his feather feet, did ya love? :)

cuse

p.s. 'MY FAULT' sparkle motion... haha, donnie darko, what a great film. was waiting nearly two YEARS for that, missed it at the cinema as well cause i was working 90hour weeks but got it on dvd now, ohhh yes

:)

jeroentje

01-03-2003, 12:58 PM

YES!!!
I have waited ages for this movie to come out! I love Tarantino's work :)
Yes I know the trailer just shows the stupid action scenes, but a true Tarantino movie is about twisting plotlines and insanely written dialogue (covered with a thick sauce of gore and action). Something you cannot show in a few minute trailer...

I am really looking forward to this one :)

spr0g

01-03-2003, 01:05 PM

Quentin Tarantino - the film god! :bounce:

what a different style tho... its hardly reservoir dogs is it? lol

can't wait :D

Isopod

01-03-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by fango

sonny chciba and carradine in the same movie ?

I know! It's kinda wierd. But I'm still a little angry at Carradine for taking the Kung Fu series from Bruce. Even if Bruce came up with the idea. But still. Although I agree that the trailer is kinda loose, I'll hold my review until I see the whole movie.

cheers,
--Albert

eric P

01-03-2003, 02:17 PM

what the f*ck is this crap,.......wanna be a "game of dead" satyr or what.
It make me sick,there is no f*cking martial skills just some stupid bitchs with stupid cable.
Tarantino must stop LSD
f*ck it.

:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

jeroentje

01-03-2003, 02:20 PM

Don't judge a book by it's cover.
Don't judge a movie by it's trailer.

E.Z. Schwartz

01-03-2003, 02:24 PM

Terminator 3 sucked! I hated it!

Anyhow, what do people have against QT? Which one of his movies was so awful it made you hate him? Or was it that he was so popular you wanted to distance yourselves so as not to be like everyone else? I just don't really understand.

Thank you.

Ezra

punchatz

01-03-2003, 02:50 PM

Awake wrote

"and no one is talking about the horrible shot of the jet in slow motion flying over cgcity. "

Dude, its obviously stylized intentionally. Not everything has to be photo real. The flick seems to be an homage to classic Kung Fu movies which had cheesy effects.
The shot you mentioned looks like a model shot to me and I bet the film makers wanted it that way.

eric P

01-03-2003, 02:54 PM

I'ts not about Q.T,
it's just a lack of creativity,you take 3 bitchs,make them look trendy,give them guns,make them fight,put one or to car race or bike what ever,and take id from other movie,it's just like what's happening in the recording industry. you take a hit from the 70's put a more recent tempo,and put a girl or a man criyng on it(half naked if possible) and you got POP on MTV.

sorry guys but f*ck that.
it's just my opinion,i don't want to hurt or attack anyone

Corn Dog

01-03-2003, 03:13 PM

It's 2003 every story out there has been told at one point in history or another, the only thing that changes are the settings and method of telling the story. Name one story and you can break it down to basic themes which have been rehashed endlessly. At least a movie like that is paying homage and not just copying.

Indolent

01-03-2003, 03:17 PM

Ok, kiddies... settle down. Play nice. For those of you who like QT, but are afraid of where he's going with this latest flick, do yourselves this favor: Go rent "Iron Monkey" on DVD and watch the Interview they have with QT in the special features section. He produced the American release of the flick and, though it's not at all a serious movie, it's a classic kung-fu action flick and it doesn't try to be anything more than that. Kill Bill looks to be done along the same vein. It's his tribute to all his favorite kung-fu flicks that he grew up watching. Just watch the interview on that movie and it'll give you an understanding of his appreciation for the genre and why he's going in this direction. I can't wait for the flick to come out. It looks to be a lot of fun.

eric P

01-03-2003, 03:28 PM

hey kid,
i also grew up with kung fu flicks,and i will never try to do a classic
kung fu movie with actors who dont have martial art skills.
If you do a classic,respect the rulz,to me they are killing a style.
american kung fu,.....yeah yeah,.....please dont make me laugh...

jeroentje

01-03-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by Corn Dog
It's 2003 every story out there has been told at one point in history or another(...)
Quote from Charles H. Duell, Commissioner US Office of Patents, 1899
Everything that can be invented has been invented.

Indolent

01-03-2003, 03:49 PM

Eric P, why're you so angry? It's just a movie. If you don't like the idea or direction, fine. Just don't condemn any of us for being excited to see it. You're entitled to your opinion. Others are entitled to theirs. Settle down, already. It isn't worth gettin' all bent outta shape over.

froggyplat

01-03-2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by punchatz
Awake wrote

"and no one is talking about the horrible shot of the jet in slow motion flying over cgcity. "

Dude, its obviously stylized intentionally. Not everything has to be photo real. The flick seems to be an homage to classic Kung Fu movies which had cheesy effects.
The shot you mentioned looks like a model shot to me and I bet the film makers wanted it that way.

i thought the same thing when i first saw that shot: "cheeze", but i think you are right. i'm sure that look is intentional...which makes it kind of cool in a way:)

SheepFactory

01-03-2003, 04:17 PM

eric p , ease up on the caffeine dude. No need to get worked up on a trailer.

MCronin

01-03-2003, 04:17 PM

I was raised on Kung-Fu films as well. When I was growing up we had two televsion stations that ran Shaw brothers movies regularly, one of which actually ran 60's and 70's Kung-Fu movies back to back nightly. I absolutely love these old movies. I'm not a QT fan at all, but I'm sure this movie is going to be very entertaining. You can pick on QT and his rabid fans all you want, call him a hack (I don't think he ever denied being heavily influenced by movies he saw growing up) and it still doesn't change the fact that for the most part his movies have been very entertaining, had snappy, unforgetable dialogue and performances, and interesting casting choices. He's made and ressurected more than one acting career in just 3 films, which is more than 99% percent of all Hollywood Directors can claim. He may be too pedestrian for the tastes of some of you film scholars, but I don't think he cares. He gets to make the movies he wants to make, which is something so many directors can only dream about.

beaker

01-03-2003, 04:21 PM

>>I just cannot forgive the man for From Dusk Till Dawn...just when he started to earn my respect as a patron of his work he throws FDTD in my face.

bentllama:
Aww, common, Dusk till dawn was alot of fun. It was just an over the top hack and blood fest. Can't beat the cameo by Savini as Sex Machine. Senseless blood and violence.

>>i also grew up with kung fu flicks,and i will never try to do a classic kung fu movie with actors who dont have martial art skills.
If you do a classic,respect the rulz,to me they are killing a style.

eric P:
So I guess you hated the Matrix then. Jason Scott Lee in Dragon had no former martial arts training before the movie, but Im sure you overlook that because he is asian.

>>american kung fu,.....yeah yeah,.....please dont make me laugh...

Maybe I am taking you out of context, but does this mean that even if they are american and a martial artist, they suck too? Only Asian people can be good at kung fu?

jeroentje

01-03-2003, 04:26 PM

Wow, amazing :surprised
If just a trailer brings up such heavy reactions, how good must the entire movie be? :)

docfunkalot

01-03-2003, 04:26 PM

i hated reservoir dogs but respect QT after seeing his interview on iron monkey. THis movie has some serious potential: a Kung Fu movie produced by a HK/Shaw Brothers fan? Awesome. Even renowned coreographer Yeun Woo Ping is on board. it's going to be everything Charlies Angels should have been but wasn't. QT's style is for real. And who said Equilibrium sucked?

Raji

01-03-2003, 05:27 PM

so i haven't seen any of quentin tarantino's movies but this trailer was just HILARIOUS!!! That looks like a complete teenager flic... sorry that really REAAAALLLLLYYY looked like crap to me. It'll have zero story, zero acting and only have lots of pointless swordfights.

oh man still laughing...:scream: :D :thumbsup:

arvid

01-03-2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by jeroentje

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haha :D

fango

01-03-2003, 06:19 PM

well, here s some snippets from the Kill bill script :

after someone has taken a chest full of lead, courtesy of Budd:

BUDD
That gentled you down some, didn’t it?
Yep…ain’t nobody a badass with two barrels
of rock salt dug deep in their tits.

still the good old Tarantino knack for strong dialogues, that s for sure)

I m curious why people throw away the movie based on the tailer. I mean, first time i saw Reservoir Dogs trailer, it looked like nothing ("they robbed a bank, you re mr pink because you re a fag, there s a rat, they are the reservoir dogs.") not to mention Pulp fiction 's (bunch of images then all the actors listed.)

if you can read Kill bill's cript, please do, it wont spoil any of the movie and you will HAVE to smile whispering "that s awesome" if you have anything resembling but a sparkle of movie pop culture in you

someone said the movie will have zero story , zero acting. THink he also said he never saw a tarantino movie (how can that be i wonder.) . anyway, having read the script, Kill Bill does have a story, it does have the "frickin awesome oh my god did that just happen" situations (think Marvin in Pulp fiction) , it does have very very strong characters (quote from the script "this guys is Mr Blonde meets Jack Daniels") , it does have the spicy tarentino turn of prose, it s FILLED with movie reference, styles, shots . example :

The BRIDE
on the porch; we do a quick Shaw-Brothers-style Zoom into her
eyes.
FLASHBACK - SPAGHETTI WESTERN STYLE
(That means our Heroine is remembering something, and we see
it with an orange filter.) We're back inside the wedding
chapel. The Bride is taking the beating of her life by four
people in black suits.

i also dont understand why people compare this to Charlie's Angels. Kil lBill is a FAN flick, a guy who used to watch kung fu, blackxploitation, 70s, 80 s flicks all day at a video store. He got Yuen wo Ping (whose career didn t start with the Matrix), and Sonny Chiba , the Humphrey Bogart of of Asia. Charlie's Angels was a movie jumping on the rock and roll/matrix style, Kill Bill is an homage to a whole genre condensed in a 200 pages non-stop script. hell , principal photography was done on the old Shaw Brothers studos and sets, restored for the occasion. All fight scenes are more reminiscent of Street fighting/ samurai sword fights than clean charlie angels kung fu and they are EXTREMELY gory (again, sony chiba's movies, Tsui hark's The Blade.)

Carradine said it better :

''You've really got to be four different kinds of freak to get this script,'' muses Carradine, who was offered the role after Warren Beatty backed out. ''You've got to be into trashy movies and epic movies and kung fu and samurai stuff and comic books and cartoons and spaghetti Westerns and gangster movies. Lucky me. I'm into all of it.''

and from the weirdo director himself :

''What I always tell people is that I have two universes, okay?'' says Tarantino, watching Thurman limber up between takes. ''There's the Quentin universe, the 'movie' universe that 'Reservoir Dogs,' 'True Romance,' and 'Pulp Fiction' take place in. That universe is realer than real life. Then I have what I call a 'movie movie' universe. Basically, okay, when the characters in 'Dogs' or 'Pulp Fiction' go to the movies, these are the movies they see. So that's 'From Dusk Till Dawn' and 'Natural Born Killers.' This is the first time I've directed a movie in the 'movie movie' universe. I just wanted to do something fun...''

Sieb

01-03-2003, 06:31 PM

Hmm.. Just watched the trailer.. Looks interesting.. But.. Kung fu.. Yellow death outfit.. seems very familiar... :) Its always nice to see movies make references to classics, as long as its a good movie of course.

Raji

01-03-2003, 06:38 PM

All fight scenes are more reminiscent of Street fighting/ samurai sword fights than clean charlie angels kung fu and they are EXTREMELY gory
ah so that makes all the cheesy crap ok? phew

Indolent

01-03-2003, 06:56 PM

Fango: I applaud your attempt at informing people, so that they too may enjoy the fun of Tarantino's films, but it appears to be a wasted effort on some people. Seems like once someone gets the slightest inclination of an idea in their head, informed or no, they feel the need to defend it to the ends of the earth, as soon as you challenge or upset their delicate sensibilities. Oh well. Their loss, I say. Let 'em miss out on it. People only hinder themselves, when they choose to be close-minded. If someone just doesn't like Tarantino's style, that's their perogative that they're entitled to, but most of the time, you're just dealing with someone whose ego is too worthless and overinflated to actually allow an outside influence to sway their initial impression of something. Sad, really... won't keep me from enjoying it, though.

Raji

01-03-2003, 07:30 PM

indolent, i found your comments to be quite insulting considering (as you said) everyone is entitled to their own opinions on any matter that is brought up in this forum. Although i agree that some trailers are not at all indicative of the quality of the movie's content, a trailer is still there to let the audience judge the movie. If the trailer sucks, the only thing left to save the movie is the director's name. Kinda like seeing a sucky Canon product and only buying it because the thing clearly says Canon on it.

Seems like once someone gets the slightest inclination of an idea in their head, informed or no, they feel the need to defend it to the ends of the earth, as soon as you challenge or upset their delicate sensibilities
defend it to the ends of the earth? delicate sensibilities? First of all, i never said i wouldn't go see that movie. Actually i may rent it when it comes out on dvd (i'm poor). Am i in the right place though? Is this a discussion about how good or bad the trailer looks? my impression is that it is and the trailer really SUCKS big time. period. I couldn't give a friggin' crap how good the movie is or how great Quentin Tarantino is *at this point*, we're discussing the trailer here and that really did stink. Second, delicate sensibilities? what's that supposed to mean? I saw Natural born killers a long time ago and hated it. Pointless killing. All Oliver Stone seemed to have tried doing is intensify a very high shock factor of blood and gore etc. "Lots and lots of pointless killing should grab the world's attention". How innovative. Now multiply the violence etc by 10 and you get another movie that was made in Belgium. MUCH more gory, MUCH more pointless and MUCH more disturbing. Still sucked and i try every day to forget i ever saw it. It did attempt to convey some very good points, but still. If that's what you meant by "delicate sensibilities", then that should have answered that.

but most of the time, you're just dealing with someone whose ego is too worthless and overinflated to actually allow an outside influence to sway their initial impression of something
by this i guess you mean "anyone who doesn't agree with your tastes in movies etc"? Cause you just gave a lot of people a tag that says "i have a worthless and overinflated ego". awesome, keep at it.

MCronin

01-03-2003, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by fango
and they are EXTREMELY gory (again, sony chiba's movies, Tsui hark's The Blade.)

If this movie is anyhting like The Blade it is absolutely going to rock. As far as Kung Fu movies go, The Blade is one of the goriest, most action packed, over the top Kung Fu movies I have ever seen; probably even more so than than Riki-Oh because The Blade takes itself so much more seriously. It's supposed to be available on Region 1 DVD but I've had no luck finding it around here. Anyone know of someplace selling it online?

My Fault

01-03-2003, 07:50 PM

.......

Indolent

01-03-2003, 08:01 PM

Raji: ooh, that got a rise outta ya! :thumbsup: I don't remember naming any names, there. ;) I apologize if my comments insulted you, that wasn't my intent. Don't take me too seriously, man, I just get on here and blow off steam and see who bites the bait, first. The point that I neglected to make, out of sheer boredom, really, was just watch the movies that Quentin Tarantino directed, and wrote, himself. They're his bread and butter and are what all his other movies should be measured by. They'll also give you an idea of what his true directing style is really like. Very dialog-oriented, chock full of attitude. I wasn't too happy with Natural Born Killers, either. From Dusk til Dawn didn't entirely float my boat, but I can see that the movie didn't take itself seriously, just like Kill Bill appears to be and it's really all in the name of fun. He didn't direct FDTD, either. heh... I mean, you do live in Utah and all, and that in itself has got to explain at least half of your angry disposition... :) Caalm, calm, I wasn't serious. Harmless joke. I didn't mean it. heh... We're all friends here. You are entitled to your opinion. But I'm bettin' you'll deffinitely go see the movie, now, just to spite me. :buttrock:

fango

01-03-2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Raji
ah so that makes all the cheesy crap ok? phew

where did i say that ? it means the style is taken from sword samurai movies, fast paced, dynamic and gory. It s a GENRE and Kill Bill is swimming in it. if you saw sonny chiba's movies (street fighter, return of the street fighter, revenge of the street fighter) you d understand where Tarantino is coming from with this movie.

as far as the TRAILER goes, If all the references in the trailer just went past you, then i can understand why you would find it "cheesy crap". But for people who actually know what these references are, it s all good fun.

reminds me of my girlfriend when we saw Tim Burton's Ed Wood. she didn't get it because she never saw an Ed wood movie or even a Hammer horror movie. she had to go through a lot of my old videotapes to finally appreciate Burton's Ed Wood.

Raji

01-03-2003, 08:36 PM

indolent, i know you didn't name any names, but i too don't read every single post on a 15 page thread... lol. so that meant that since i replied twice to the same thread in the same manner, i figured *someone* would get annoyed at me and kick my butt. It just felt to me like you were the one that did that. lol. Also, i didn't mean to sound too angry. I was a bit insulted because i thought your comments looked to me like they were directed at me, but it wasn't *that* bad. I just always speak with emotion... oh and i'm not utahn, i just *live* in Utah. I'm originally arab, which would explain my being so strongly opinionated among other things i guess. hehe. I'm really a nice guy, i just discuss things in a more aggressive fashion. My wife has gotten used to it but it took her a while poor thing. She always thought i was mad at her!

Anyway, yeah i know i can't judge the movie from its trailer but the trailer did look like crap to me... and if i did go rent it i wouldn't do that out of spite. It's not coming out for a while *plus* it'll take even longer for it to come out on dvd so if i saw it, it'd be because i wanted to see what it was about.

anyway... i reread your post and still can't see it as an attempt to joke... lol. still looks dead serious to me.

oh well, me and my hotblooded character

Raji

01-03-2003, 08:41 PM

fango, see that makes more sense. That does explain a few more things that i didn't get from your earlier post... so basically Kill Bill isn't trying to take itself too seriously? because if it isn't, then i guess my laughter was justified when i saw that trailer... right?

hehe

fango

01-03-2003, 08:47 PM

you got it :bounce:

:thumbsup:

Indolent

01-03-2003, 08:53 PM

Raji: heh.. in all honesty, that post was directed at you. I just wanted to do it in a way that would allow me to use the indirect nature of it as a means of subterfuge, should you go off on me and I could play the whole "I'm innocent" angle. :p I just like seeing what kinda reactions I can get outta people, because I get reeeaaaally bored, here at work. I honestly don't mean any harm or ill-will, I'm just passing the time, 'cause it's friday and my higher-ups haven't given me much of anything to work on. But I'm straying off topic and the moderators get all pissy, when you do that, so uh... Kill Bill, yeah. I'm dying to see it! :D Knowing what I know about Tarantino, I can see the potential this movie has, just by watching the trailer. Actually, I wasn't even very excited about it, UNTIL I saw the trailer. It makes me happy.

Raji

01-03-2003, 09:10 PM

awwww shucks man.... now you got me wanting to find out what this is all about... and no i swear i'm NOT gay!!! i SWEAR!!!

dutch

01-03-2003, 10:11 PM

looks great to me.

hes awesome at maken shit cool

electropulse

01-03-2003, 11:33 PM

um, any movie with Uma in it....IS GREAT!

Jigsaw

01-03-2003, 11:43 PM

Yeah man, Batman & Robin was really great.:p

Anyway, this movie could be really interesting. Could suck though, but for now I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt... I haven't seen the trailer yet though, but I read some stuff about it earlier, and I saw some pictures.

Well, time will tell, I guess. :)

AJE

01-03-2003, 11:47 PM

Batman & Robin was really great

LMAO

Add the Avengers and Gattaca to that list...

SheepFactory

01-04-2003, 12:04 AM

gattaca was great

dmonk

01-04-2003, 12:14 AM

HonestlyI liked Charlies angels, but this will be alot better.

These Kind of threads always happen so instead of saying the same ol' thing I always say, which is " wait and see", I'll just make a list.

Corn Dog
bentllama
AJE
Gentle Fury
AWAKE
eric P
Raji

These are people who talk shit, prematurely (spelling!?).
Yeah it might suck, but if it doesn't and is actually pretty good, you guy's might feel a bit silly and learn the valuable lesson of not judging a book by it's cover.

:wavey:

Raji

01-04-2003, 12:20 AM

well considering you liked Charlie's Angels, I feel much better about being on that list.

:scream: :D :bounce:

dmonk

01-04-2003, 12:26 AM

to each his own.

You should should be the last person to condemn someone for having an opinion.

Raji

01-04-2003, 12:30 AM

i couldn't resist making a little joke... ;) all in good fun!:) didn't mean to judge at all so i apologize for not making that clear enough :)

dmonk

01-04-2003, 12:36 AM

don't worry I got the joke.

AJE

01-04-2003, 12:50 AM

ROFL at Raji!...

And this whole 'judging a book by it's cover' thing happens every time a new movie comes out... someone uses that phrase.

The fact is that the trailer IS the cover that we're supposed to judge whether to spend the money... that's why there made.

If course, maybe it's just a really bad trailer and doesn't do justice to the actual film... but something tells me it's gonna be cotton candy way over the top just-had-to-do-wirework-to-get-over-the-top-action that is entirely implausible. Sensationalistic garbage... at least the Asians do it with their style.

Come on... the action looks straight out of every North Am martial arts movie since the Matrix. And don't even get me started on how many Asian movies he's ripping off... **er** cough, cough** ... giving homage to.

Tarantino is still a hack... even in his genre pictures. And I have seen nothing in this thread to change that opinion yet.
Res Dogs and True Romance were the only films with his involvement that are remotely decent.

AJE

dmonk

01-04-2003, 12:58 AM

Updated list!

Corn Dog
bentllama

AJE** ( really thinks the movie will be shit and no better than the rest of the garbage us North Americans put out. )

Gentle Fury
AWAKE
eric P
Raji

Indolent

01-04-2003, 01:05 AM

hehe.. Look at dmonk... he's hell bent on rounding up all the nay-sayers and puttin' 'em all in front of a firing squad. You get 'em, dmonk! :thumbsup: :beer: :airguitar :buttrock: :p

My Fault

01-04-2003, 01:11 AM

Put AJE on the list twice cuz he really seems to hate it alot!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :p

Raji

01-04-2003, 01:14 AM

OOoooOOO OOO can i be on the list twice??? I LIKE IT!!!

:scream: :applause: :D

dmonk

01-04-2003, 01:14 AM

He got 2 asteriks.

My Fault

01-04-2003, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Raji
OOoooOOO OOO can i be on the list twice??? I LIKE IT!!!

:scream: :applause: :D

Raji should get an asterisk and one of these ^

Not really sure what it means, but he's earned it!

:beer:

seantree

01-04-2003, 02:00 AM

Damn, now i really want to see this. I wasn't too thrilled when i had read the movie plot etc.. but after seeing the trailer I'll be there opening day. As a long time fan of HK cinema, this looks right up my alley. With Tarantino being a fan himself I'm hoping he'll nail this down and it won't be like the other US film makers attempts at recreating something that they cannot touch. Uma decked out in Bruce Lee's Game of Death jumpsuit looks too good.The Rza composing the score is wicked too, we all know the Wu-Tang boys are all fans of Kung Fu flicks. I'm just wondering what Miramaxs release schedule looks like. Shaolin Soccer, Legend of ZU, Jet Li's Hero, the Matrix sequels, and now this.

yeoua

01-04-2003, 02:21 AM

Before more of you bash QT for stuff... get your facts a bit straight.

Though he was part of some pretty bad movies, he did not direct them. He has only directed 4 (plus Kill Bill), those being:

Kill Bill (2003)
Jackie Brown (1997)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
Reservoir Dogs (1992)

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Tarantino,+Quentin

And although he did write some stuff for some of the not-so-good stuff, the director can throw it out the window anyway. You just don't have much control unless your the director. He can look at the script, say he doesn't like this scene, and redo it if he so wanted. So saying that you hated From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) (which did get horrible reviews) isn't saying much, since he didn't direct, only wrote and starred.

As well as the cameo, yes he is in Kill Bill, check imdb...

But personally, I liked his previous 3 films.

seantree

01-04-2003, 02:25 AM

I'm checking out the script right now. So far it sounds pretty good, although i'm not sure of the authenticity of it.

Gentle Fury

01-04-2003, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by dmonk
HonestlyI liked Charlies angels, but this will be alot better.

These Kind of threads always happen so instead of saying the same ol' thing I always say, which is " wait and see", I'll just make a list.

Corn Dog
bentllama
AJE
Gentle Fury
AWAKE
eric P
Raji

These are people who talk shit, prematurely (spelling!?).
Yeah it might suck, but if it doesn't and is actually pretty good, you guy's might feel a bit silly and learn the valuable lesson of not judging a book by it's cover.

:wavey:

ummmmm, first off did you read my whole post or just the first line.......to quote myself

I really hope this is one of those movies where it just has a really bad trailer packed with all the cheesy FX and the movie itself is good......i hope i hope i hope......i really dont wanna hate quintin!!

happen to notice that part........so....did i just say, awww, this is gonna suck no question........no........i said the trailer sucked and i hope the movie is good!!!!!!

I for one think Tarantino has made some amazing movies........

Oh and Charlie's Angels was one of the biggest pieces of shite since Batman and Robin INHO!

So please.....again.......so many are quick to rip on me when i have an opposing opinion, and yet rip on me again if i say anything defending something someone else had an opposite opinion on!

Chill out people......if the trailer sux people can say the trailer sux.....if the movie ends up being crap too.....then we are fully free to say its crap.....if its good (i hope it is) then rock on!!

and if you want to debate me on anything, you KNOW i will have something to contribute in return :)

and i think its funny, you are saying dont judge a book by its cover.....i just watched a ridiculous 3 min trailer.........that is not a cover.....that is what the company wanted you to see. Wouldnt automatically saying this is going to be a great movie based on who wrote/directed it and no real knowledge of it be judging a book by its cover? ;)

fango

01-04-2003, 03:09 AM

seantree,

the current script found on tarantino.info is genuine, but it s a 2 year old draft, the revised final script though is unavailable at this time, it will come out as a book after the movie is released.

as far as judging a book by its cover and stuff, this is more a question of "dont judge a book if you have not read the whole genre it draws from." The trailer may look cheesy for the lambda viewer, but for the audience with cultural references similar to tarantino, it s extremely enjoyable and builds up the excitement well.

finally, someone said kill bill looked like some american kung fu rip off and that the asians did it better, i don t know, for me hiring Yuen Woo Ping (does yuen woo ping have an asian enough style for your taste :rolleyes: .) , having a cast of bad guys taken from a range of asian flicks (a Lot of familiar faces here and there, i personally like the girl from Battle Royale) and shooting at the original Shaw Brothers' studios.. it seems Kil Bill is comfortable in the "asian kung fu style (heh.) ".

again in the trailer the only part that is wire fu is the sequence with long eyebrow (so the rumor on the internet says) the rests of the fight look closer to the old street fighting/ samurai swordplay some of us love, enjoy and actually saw.

quoting carradine again,

''You've really got to be four different kinds of freak to get this script,''

''You've got to be into trashy movies and epic movies and kung fu and samurai stuff and comic books and cartoons and spaghetti Westerns and gangster movies. Lucky me. I'm into all of it.''

So am I .

bentllama

01-04-2003, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by dmonk
These Kind of threads always happen so instead of saying the same ol' thing I always say, which is " wait and see", I'll just make a list.

Corn Dog
bentllama
AJE
Gentle Fury
AWAKE
eric P
Raji

These are people who talk shit, prematurely (spelling!?).
Yeah it might suck, but if it doesn't and is actually pretty good, you guy's might feel a bit silly and learn the valuable lesson of not judging a book by it's cover.

:wavey:

dmonk. you need to check yourself....calling people out for "talking shit" (in your eyes) does not make friends in the tight knit cg community. those on the list are entitled to an opinion, as you to yours...

you also need to read through the whole thread...cause if you did you would have seen this quote of mine:

I will go see this, because it deserves a look...

next time dmonk, before you start making premature lists...make sure you have read through the entire thread...

...as far as judging a book by its cover...I saw you at siggraph and I didnt make any judgemnt then, just like I don't make any judgement now, even when your replies in this thread have been out of the ordinary for your usual demeanour...

...dmonk, you are a nice guy, please stay that way. :)

peace.

:beer:

fango

01-04-2003, 03:20 AM

it s getting awfully hot in there :eek: :beer:

Scuba

01-04-2003, 06:08 AM

obviously not a movie for everyone... its the type of movie 20% of people will love and 40 % will hate, no point in argueing over it... if you dont like certain styles of movies you wont like this, and even if you do like kung, etc you still might not like where he went with it... me personally i dont like intentionally campy movies... i prefer a movie that seriously tries to do something,even if it seriously tries to be funny (paradoxiacal) campy movies work because its unintentional luck, intentionally campy movies that are actually good are so rare i cant even think of one right now...i aint going to judge this to harshly... and i do love kung fu movies both new style and old school, plus love hong kong action joints... and this trailer is not indicating to me anything great.

AJE

01-04-2003, 07:08 AM

So saying that you hated From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) (which did get horrible reviews) isn't saying much, since he didn't direct, only wrote and starred.

Actually, didn't Tarantino direct half of it and Rodriguez directed the other half?

And without a doubt, the boy can not act.

My Fault

01-04-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by AJE
Actually, didn't Tarantino direct half of it and Rodriguez directed the other half?

And without a doubt, the boy can not act.

What a foolish statement, he was spot on perfect in those Golden Girl episodes! :p

piajartist

01-04-2003, 10:44 AM

the hell is this sh*t. I am expecting action, blood, and gangsters, and I get action, chicks, and comedy. Anyway the trailer does sound like Charlie's Angels, and I hope its really not!

Mangaka604

01-04-2003, 11:05 AM

I remember watching the commentary from Iron Monkey that QT did on the DVD and he mentioned how much he like HK martial art movies. However, this movie so far doesn't look like it will do any justice to the HK flicks. I hope it's just a really bad trailer 'cause I'm a big fan of his work. Altho I do question why Lucy Liu (that is her in the trailer right???) is cast as an Japanese character. Have we not learned from Die Another Day?

I shall await the next trailer...it's been awhile since we've seen him at work again.

Jenner

01-04-2003, 11:40 AM

These are the people who talk shit:

Dmonk
Dmonk
Dmonk
Dmonk
:wavey:

bentllama

01-04-2003, 12:08 PM

Now now Jenner, let's all get along...

dark_lotus

01-04-2003, 01:05 PM

Um hello?:wavey:

Something bothers me about this whole I love tarrentino/i Hate tarrentino thing.

Allow me to put some perspective (well this IS a cg forum) on this.

James Cameron made

Terminator, which is a masterpiece,
he also made
Titanic , which is a polished turd

But back to tarrentino People please, if you don't like his other 3 films, don't expect that you definitely won't like it.

Just keep you minds open. Please?

AJE

01-04-2003, 01:29 PM

Are you kidding?!!? Titanic... a polished turd???

Did you not see the part where Di Caprio dies?

Any film that kills off Di Caprio is ace in my books.

:)

Hell, if Tarantino killed off Di Caprio in one of his movies, I'd pay to see the film...

Gentle Fury

01-04-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by AJE
Are you kidding?!!? Titanic... a polished turd???

Did you not see the part where Di Caprio dies?

Any film that kills off Di Caprio is ace in my books.

:)

Hell, if Tarantino killed off Di Caprio in one of his movies, I'd pay to see the film...

Actually, have you seen Gangs Of NY???? I would have been happy with that movie had decaprio died or lived.....it was just a great movie (notice how i didnt spoil anything in that :) )

o-phile

01-04-2003, 01:55 PM

i read about this movie in either psm, or the official xbox mag... but i didn't know that there was a trailer out already :)

HIS FOURTH FILM = Back in the day Martial Arts Flick + hot chicks + making lucy liu look like she can actually kick ass + MAKES UMA SERIOUSLY WOOP ASS + some dude that looks like the green hornet's side kick + David Caradene sp* ( the guy from KUNG FU: the series)

how EFFIN GREAT IS THAT!?:bounce: :surprised :applause: :beer: :buttrock: :thumbsup:

santiago

01-04-2003, 05:36 PM

I found this trailer more interesting than T3's
But I'm watching both films anyway
I love reading fans' posts, everytime I see somethin out of Tarantino, I really don't know what to expect, I don't know him that well at all, which is fun, I really enjoy going to see a film of which I really don't know what to expect, provided the trailer was interesting

I really must say that the T3 trailer... I'm not watching T3 because of anything its trailer showed

3dean

01-04-2003, 05:40 PM

any of quentin's real fans know about his love for the corny kung-fu films. kill bil appears to be a 'tip of the hat' to all those who have enjoyed these films over the years. if you would like to get "it" rent or buy these films:

anything by sonny chiba, but start w/street fighter

tai-chi master, one of jet's and yeoh's best films and one of the coolest sword fights ever filmed.

butterfly & the sword, yeoh again.

storm riders, sonny as an old ass kicker.

the dragon from russia.

fong si yuk one and two.

once upon a time in china.

and of course all bruce lee films, which i am guessing is where the yellow jump suit and david caradene are coming from.

you can find all of these films and more at:

http://www.asianxpress.net/

kill bill

later

dean

dmonk

01-04-2003, 07:35 PM

First off. I didn't mean anything by the list, although I may be guilty of a bad choice in wording and not reading through threads completely. This what happened yesterday, I worked an 11 hour shift and finally got home to see the trailer and I absolutely loved it because this is a genre that I completely grew up with and I completely get what QT is trying to do. So as
always I check cgtalk in the zombie state that I'm usually in after work the this what I see:

Aje
"That looks awful.
Tarantino is a hack."
Bent
"Worst.
Movie.
Ever."
gentle fury
"very sad day in cinema.....and im sorry first off, if you had an IQ of 7
you wouldn't even be intelligent enough to drool on yourself (average
trailer park IQ is between 85 and 100).....secondly watching another version
of charlies angels does not require even the slightest degree of
intelligence!!!"

Eric P
"what the f*ck is this crap,.......wanna be a "game of dead" satyr or what. It make me sick,there is no f*cking martial skills just some stupid bitchs with stupid cable.
Tarantino must stop LSD f*ck it."
'If you do a classic,respect the rulz,to me they are killing a style.
american kung fu,.....yeah yeah,.....please dont make me laugh..."
Raji
"so i haven't seen any of quentin tarantino's movies but this trailer was just HILARIOUS!!! That looks like a complete teenager flic... sorry that really REAAAALLLLLYYY looked like crap to me. It'll have zero story, zero acting and only have lots of pointless swordfights."

What some of you actually said:

Bent
I will go see this, because it deserves a look...after all it has boobs and swords...let's just hope that is not the movies only redeeming quality.

Gentle Fury
I really hope this is one of those movies where it just has a really bad trailer packed with all the cheesy FX and the movie itself is good......i hope i hope i hope......i really dont wanna hate quintin!!

dmonk

01-04-2003, 07:35 PM

Your right bent I am a nice guy and usually wouldn't post that, I didn't mean anything buy it. I said it before if I ever post anything out of line i'd be the first to apologize. You met me at Siggraph and I look like a linebacker, so you can imagine how often people are quick to judge and dismiss me when I tell them I do cg. It's just one of my pet peeves and this always happens with trailer discussions.

Gentle Fury I did only read the first line so my apologies. To me it seemed that you were insulting anyones intelligence who liked that stuff, which your state ment still hints at.

Jenner only a hand full of people on this board have ever met me face to face. Only 2 actually know me. I really hate arguing over the internet, But I honestly can say that I think if you met me in person you wouldn't have the stones to say that. Wait a minute your only 15, nevermind.

Tony

Cogliostros

01-04-2003, 07:49 PM

Some food for thought... too much bullshit, ignorance, and stupidity going around from those not fit to post an response. Rather then rant about what you don't know, go do some research.

--- Posting from Chuck Palahniuk.net by Dennis
KILL BILL is going to rock. I have the utmost faith in Tarantino. Plus, don't forget guys: As big as you think Tarantino is into gangster films... he is much more influenced by Asian cinema. I've now read 3 biographies on the man and all he does is quote his endless inspirations for Shaw Brothers films, John Woo films, and anything with crazy wire work and samurai action.

So while KILL BILL may seem different to you then the standard Tarantino fare..... it's actually the most passionate and personal film he has thus far made. In short, it's going to rock.

__________________
Dennis
Webmaster
www.chuckpalahniuk.net
www.ourladyofsorrow.com

Fans who are have intimate knowledge of Tarantino and his work need not worry, for those who aren't, eliminate that ignorance and go bring yourself up-to-date, Tarantino is a great film maker :thumbsup:

madtank

01-04-2003, 08:06 PM

mmmmmm makes me just wanna hump it :airguitar

AJE

01-05-2003, 12:03 AM

dmonk: don't worry... it takes a lot more than that to offend me...

And it should take a lot more for everyone else on that list too...

Even if dmonk was hellbent serious, we're artists, and allowed to have opinions. And with the right to voice our opinions comes the need to grow a thicker skin and greater tolerance for the times when we don't agree.

I think a lot of people on this board are really over sensitive. They're scare to get slapped for giving in depth crits or honest opinions.

And I still think the movie is going to suck.

:)

AJE

bentllama

01-05-2003, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by dmonk
Your right bent I am a nice guy and usually wouldn't post that, I didn't mean anything buy it. I said it before if I ever post anything out of line i'd be the first to apologize. You met me at Siggraph and I look like a linebacker, so you can imagine how often people are quick to judge and dismiss me when I tell them I do cg. It's just one of my pet peeves and this always happens with trailer discussions.

dmonk...no harm no foul...I still like you :) :p and I respect your opinion...I just make it habit to always respond when the "shit" call gets thrown down :)
As for the linebacker syndrome, it is unfortunate that both you and I fall victim to it...I was even asked in an interview if I ever used my physical size to influence and argument [I almost died laughing]...it sucks when people are quick to judge...

but, to sum things up, I am aware of Tarantino's strengths and weaknesses. I usually give any movie with martial arts in it a "fighting chance" and I will go see this one. I have a respect for martial arts films, most likely due to my almost 14 years of mixed martial arts experience...I am not going into it with my brain turned on, as I do not expect anything too intelligent, but I will give it a chance...[I even went to go see MK: Annihilation in the theatres - there goes my credibility :D lol]

boobs and swords...mmmmmmmm :drool:

Gentle Fury

01-05-2003, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by dmonk
Gentle Fury I did only read the first line so my apologies. To me it seemed that you were insulting anyones intelligence who liked that stuff, which your state ment still hints at.

actually you missed something else :)

my post of :
and im sorry first off, if you had an IQ of 7
you wouldn't even be intelligent enough to drool on yourself

was in response to

Well said! This movie isn't made for everyone, but if you've got an iq over 7 and have a love of old Shaw Brothers films, this movie should rock.

so, no i was not insulting anyones intelligence, merely pointing out that if you had that low of an intellegence quotiant that you would not even be able to hold your head up and drool rather then watch a movie ;)

samartin

01-06-2003, 08:50 AM

Well I'm no film critic but if it has martial arts sequences a plenty and uma thurman looking as hot as she does most o' the time then it's a :thumbsup: from me... :D

Raji

01-06-2003, 05:45 PM

last friday i spoke with one of my co-workers about the movie and parts of this thread.

I did learn to understand through what he explained what Tarantino was trying to do. I realize it has been attempted here too and i'm not saying that i ignored those attempts at proper explanation, just that i didn't quite get it. You just can't convey as much over the internet... we're just not there yet technologically.

Anyway, i did end up understanding what QT was doing and so now i have very little to say, other than the fact that i never saw any of the stuff Tarantino is basing his movie on... nor did a lot of people who are going to either professionally or personally "review" this movie. So this is going to confuse and annoy a lot of people.

I was one of those people. :)

Raji

ps: this trailer didn't annoy me, just confused me and made me laugh because of its *spectacular* cornyness. And i know cornyness is not a word. hehe