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HieSpike
01-02-2003, 11:07 PM
Hi all,
I'm currently working on a short animated piece (of course) and I need reference pictures of bird wings. I'm trying to figure out how the wings go from their spread to relaxed position. SO, any suggestions where I can look would help. The bird that I'm modeling is a Turtle Dove.


peace and thanks,
Kane
:bounce: "I can fly, I can fly, I can fly"

SheepFactory
01-02-2003, 11:29 PM
Go to the small park at market & 2th , next to the muni entrance. Thats the meeting place for all the SF birds , at any time you can see a hundred pigeons there :)

i ran after them with a digital camera and captured one and a half hours of reference footage. it beats anything you can get from the net.

than there is the san francisco zoo , they have some nice birds too.

Marion
01-02-2003, 11:32 PM
Hi,

I did a short with a flock of geese a while ago and had a hell of a time finding useable information on wing motion, so I sympathize :D

The best reference I could find was David Goodnow's book "How Birds Fly". It has anatomical drawings of the bone structure as well as series of high speed photographs of birds in flight (mostly Canadian Geese).

Here's a reference with some example JPEGS:
http://www.benrey.com/birds/

and its Amazon reference:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/isbn%3D0963424408/pippahunnechurch/102-6559033-0856950

Hope that helps

Good luck!

Marion

koinu
01-02-2003, 11:32 PM
I remember looking through a book that a Disney animator had that was all about animals and the way they move, can't remember what the title was. Check with the national audobaun(sp?) society.

E.Z. Schwartz
01-02-2003, 11:32 PM
I remember someone sugest once to get a full chicken from the grocery store or butchers. That would be some good hands on refrence as to how the bones work and all that. And then you can eat it! Good luck.

Ezra

SheepFactory
01-02-2003, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by E.Z. Schwartz
I remember someone sugest once to get a full chicken from the grocery store or butchers. That would be some good hands on refrence as to how the bones work and all that. And then you can eat it! Good luck.

Ezra


ROTFLMAO!

Man i nearly had a stroke :D

HieSpike
01-03-2003, 12:02 AM
thanks guys,
I have been trying to study the pigeons in front of BART for the past 2 months now...it's been helpfull but and I've got the flight down....it's the landing that I'm stressed about. THat whole wing folding into itself is bugging me.

oh well...I'll keep looking.

peace,
Kane
:cool: "Look it's stevie wonder"

E.Z. Schwartz
01-03-2003, 01:15 AM
Don't keep looking! Buy a chicken! Then you can grab it in your hand and open and close the wing and see exactly how it works. Won't that work?

Ezra

HieSpike
01-03-2003, 01:20 AM
Actually I'm waiting for my girlfriend to get in touch with her ex-boss. He has a store called The Bone Room. It's in Albany (CA that is-it's a realy cool store to know about if you live in the S.F. area. - a lot of Pixar and other CG company people buy reference things from them.) I'm hoping that she can get me a dove wing. I guess they usually have dried ones there...but to move it she's going to try to get a fresh one....so, while waiting for that I was hoping I could find something online? Also in case that doesn't come through.


peace chicken man...

Kane

DrAdamDinosaur
01-14-2003, 01:16 PM
Don't know if you're still looking or not but I came across this one yesterday: http://www.ups.edu/biology/museum/wingphotos.html . Poor little birdies.

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