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Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 01:00 AM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/OFDW-016-Announcement.jpg

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Welcome to the SIXTEENTH thread of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop!!!

This workshop is open to any medium and any style. Some informal moderation
will be gladly provided by Rebecca Kimmel ~ however, the purpose of the
Workshop is for Artists to interact with and informally critique one another’s work.


Due to the popularity and outstanding success of the previous Master Copy Workshops, we will be continuing this week with another Master Copy Workshop! This week we will be working from a choice of 4 new Master Paintings by Rembrandt:

Note: This Workshop will last 4 weeks.

Choice 1: (See below for links)

Rembrandt (1606-1669)
Self Portrait as the Apostle St Paul
Oil on canvas, 1661
35 3/4 x 30 1/4 inches (91 x 77 cm)
Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam

Choice 2: (See below for links)

Rembrandt (1606-1669)
Titus van Rijn in a Monk's Habit
Oil on canvas, 1660
31 1/4 x 26 1/2 inches (79.5 x 67.5 cm)
Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam

Choice 3: (See below for links)

Rembrandt (1606-1669)
Portrait of Johannes Wtenbogaert (1557-1644), Remonstrant Minister
Oil on canvas, 1633
51 1/8 x 40 1/2 inches (130 x 103 cm)
Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam

Choice 4: (See below for links)

Rembrandt (1606-1669)
Jeremiah Lamenting the Destruction of Jerusalem
Oil on panel, 1630
22 3/4 x 18 inches (58 x 46 cm)
Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam


>>RULES FOR THE THREADS<<




1. Photographs are the property of artrenewal.org (http://www.artrenewal.org/) and are copyrighted as such.

2. The drawings created from the photo reference provided here MUST be TASTEFUL, SINCERE, RESPECTFUL, and for the purpose of serious study of the human figure. Those who post silly, disrespectful, or tasteless work will have their posts deleted immediately
and will no longer be allowed to post on this thread. Rebecca Kimmel reserves the right to determine which drawings are considered to be in poor taste and / or disrespectful to the Reference used here in the OFDWs.3. There is NO TIME LIMIT for posting on this thread.

3. Typically, new threads containing new photographs will be posted on a bi-weekly basis ~ however, for this Workshop, 4 weeks will be allowed before the next OFDW.

4. There is NO LIMIT to the NUMBER of posts an artist may make. However, we ask that you post only your BEST WORK, even if it is considered unfinished.

5. Artists who post comments and critiques of other artists' work on this thread must be RESPECTFUL, POLITE, and offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Flaming will be NOT be tolerated, and constitutes dismissal from this and other threads.

6. I will be offering the occasional comments / critique ~ however, the main focus of the Open Figure Drawing Workshop threads should be on Group Critique and interaction. :)

7. ANY MEDIUM or STYLE may be used: Traditional or Digital Drawing or Painting, Gestural, Sketch, Finished Render, etc.

8. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

9. Please limit the SIZE of your POSTS to 800 pixels WIDTH x Appropriate pixel LENGTH. No huge posts, please!

10. Have fun, enjoy, and create great art! :)



LINKS to Images:

>>REFERENCE IMAGE #1, Self Portrait as the Apostle St Paul<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13635&hires=1)

>>Alternate REFERENCE IMAGE source (same painting as above): Master Painting by Rembrandt<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt_01.jpg)

~~~

>> (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13634&hires=1) REFERENCE IMAGE #2, Titus van Rijn in a Monk's Habit (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13634&hires=1)<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13634&hires=1)

Alternate REFERENCE IMAGE source (same painting as above): Master Painting by Rembrandt (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt_02.jpg)

~~~

>>REFERENCE IMAGE #3, (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13615) Portrait of Johannes Wtenbogaert (1557-1644), Remonstrant Minister (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13615)<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13615)

>>Alternate REFERENCE IMAGE source (same painting as above): Master Painting by Rembrandt<< (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt_04.jpg)

~~~

>>REFERENCE IMAGE #4, (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13612) Jeremiah Lamenting the Destruction of Jerusalem (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13612)<< (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=13612)

Alternate REFERENCE IMAGE source (same painting as above): Master Painting by Rembrandt (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt_05.jpg)

~~~

PLEASE NOTE: WIP (Work In Progress) images are an important part of the OFDWs and are encouraged. Please DO post WIP images as you work on your pieces. :)

PLEASE NOTE THAT ANY USE OF PAINTINGS WHICH ARE RELIGIOUS IN NATURE IS IN NO WAY AN ENDORSEMENT OF RELIGION OF ANY KIND.

Good luck! :)



~Rebeccak

billcunningham
04-24-2006, 06:33 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/sets/72057594115532298/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/sets/72057594115532298/show/)(To view o slideshow of progress to date, click here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/sets/72057594115532298/show/)!)

Hello,

I'm starting this thread to do a fairly detailed Work In Progress step-by-step of the work I'll be doing on the new Rembrandt challenge. I didn't want to clutter up the main thread with lots of intermediate steps, so I'll post those here, but I'll still update in the main thread when I hit good milestones.

So, here's what's up:

I'll be working in Corel Painter. I started by opening a copy of the original reference, and creating a blank canvas of the same size:

http://static.flickr.com/45/134010538_b01f21b39c_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134010538/)


Next, I filled in the canvas layer with a neutral tone, then created a new layer and named it "Charcoal Sketch". Using the Soft Charcoal brush set to a darker value of the background tone, and eyeballing the original off to the side, I roughly sketched in major masses:

http://static.flickr.com/51/134010539_513c4ca3bd_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134010539/)


Next, I created a third layer and called it "Color Roughs", and on this layer, using a bristly oil brush, I blocked in general colors. I eyeballed these colors, using the mixing palette in Painter to blend them more like actual paint. I didn't want to just eyedrop sample the original picture, because that felt too much like cheating!:

http://static.flickr.com/45/134010540_ded410f9d1_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134010540/)


You can see I got all the colors a bit too bright, so next I used the adjust brightness/contrast control to lower the brightness until it looked closer to the original:

http://static.flickr.com/54/134010541_4543149f2a_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134010541/)

And that's where I stand tonight. I'll post again after the next time i work on it.

Yoiur comments, if you feel so inclined, are most welcome!

Thanks! -Bill

billcunningham
04-24-2006, 06:42 AM
Am I the first one to throw his hat into this challenge? Woo hoo!

I've been peeking in at the Bouguereau and Carravaggio challenges and feeling so JEALOUS as I didn't have time to participate, but I'm doing this one, dammit!

I started another thread to post lots of WIP screenshots (I didn't want to clutter up this thread with anything less than milestone pics), here's a link to my first night's work:

WIP - Rembrandt Copy (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=3482407#post3482407)

I'm not at a point I want to post a full milestone shot yet, but you can see where I'm at thru that link. Hopefully I'll be far enough along to post a real shot by Wednesday.

Good luck everyone (And THANKS! Rebecca for keeping these challenges coming!)

SaraD
04-24-2006, 07:24 AM
I´m gonna try to participate in this one:) Too long since I hade the time to paint and hang out with you guys:)

Elliepower
04-24-2006, 08:28 AM
Hi all,

@saraD and billcunningham
Great to see you here, hope we enjoy this together. Not only as a challenge but to learn from each other.

I love this, but my... hehe (pssst, the word with p)... starting fast and failed much faster. So I decide to do parts of some originals, if this is allowed, because a whole piece is too much for me.

This sketch done in 1 hour, trying out some brushes, nearly 1:1 size

Ciao,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/test36.jpg

billcunningham
04-24-2006, 09:34 AM
Ok, I couldn't sleep, I've got a headache, so I did a little more work on this:

On a new layer, named "detailed drawing", using a color that stands out, and the soft charcoal brush, I start drawing over the color roughs a more detailed sketch. I'm not tracing the original, I'm eyeballing it on my copy with the original open to the left. You can see hash and guide marks around the drawing. I try to hash in a mark at the top and bottom, left and right of the face, then throw in cross lines to mark the nose, eye and mouth positions, then start drawing around those to get the shapes in general correct proportion:

http://static.flickr.com/48/134069165_cb563361b1_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134069165/)


Continuing to also fill in the neck ruff... this is difficult and a little tedious. If you're not tracing something like this, the best way I know to do it is try to keep in sight the shapes the negative space between the complex, mazy lines make, and keep looking back and forth to make sure things are staying genetally in proportion. That's what I've done here:

http://static.flickr.com/55/134069166_ade10199f1_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134069166/)

Now I thre in another layer, called "Neutral", and filled it with a flat neutral shade so I can move it between my color roughs and the detailed drawing to isolare the lines and see what they look like:

http://static.flickr.com/55/134069167_c75ebfa316_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134069167/)


Now, keeping an eye jumping between the original and my rough copy, trying to make the line drawing closer to exact as far as position an proportion goes to the original, I draw in the rest of the picture (you can see my color roughs have the hands fairly badly misplaced... I'll try to correct that now with the drawing):

http://static.flickr.com/56/134069168_f831fe88cf_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134069168/)


And here it is against the neutral layer:

http://static.flickr.com/44/134069169_ef484c121f_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134069169/)

And that's it for tonight... really!

Here's a link to a slide show of this Work-in-Progress (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/sets/72057594115532298/show/)!

As always, any comments are most welcome! -Bill

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 01:01 PM
billcunningham,

Hey there, great to see you in this! :cool: You know, the kind of work you are doing here (WIP) is exactly the kind of thing I like to see on the OFDW threads ~ you are more than welcome to post WIP there.

It's up to you, but I would actually prefer it if you posted your WIP there. I am happy to merge your thread into the OFDW thread, but I won't if that is not what you prefer. :)

Great start! I can't wait to see this develop! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 01:05 PM
billcunningham,

You're more than welcome to post WIP here! :) I don't actually think of the OFDWs as challenges, but it's fine to think of them that way :) ~ really it's more of a workshop where artists help and support one another. But there's an element of challenge, I suppose, to it as well. :)

SaraD,
We really miss you! Come back! Hoping you can find time for this one! :bounce:

Elliepower,

Wow, fantastic start! It's no problem doing a portion, it's probably what I'll do myself for this one. :D The eyes are really very expressive...

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Iridyse
04-24-2006, 01:41 PM
Yay!
This will be such good practice for my Portraiture final exam (which started today and will go on for 6 more days, bleh). I was feeling so terrible about missing the Bouguereau, there's no way I'd miss this one!
*gets started*

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 01:44 PM
hiiri,

Great to see another person on board! What great timing with your Portraiture exam! :) I really look forward to seeing your work here. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Iridyse
04-24-2006, 02:09 PM
I said I would start right away and I did!
Here's the colour rough. Just trying to get the colours in place.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem1.jpg

I feel like painting all 4! Maybe I will..hehehe.

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 02:13 PM
Hey, go for all 4! Why not? :) There are 4 weeks in the Workshop, so that would be one week each. If you have enough time, this might be doable ~ though I would go for quality and maybe recommend two weeks for two portraits. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

billcunningham
04-24-2006, 02:19 PM
Hey Rebecca,

I don't mind at all having this thread merged with the OFDW. I only started it separately because I wasn't sure posting this many WIP screenshots was acceptable.

If there is some administrator magic you can do to merge the threads, please feel free to do it. Otherwise, I'll just copy all these posts over to the OFDW myself after work tonight, and post updates there from now on.

Thanks!

zhuzhu
04-24-2006, 02:20 PM
hiiri: wow~! what a nice start~~~!!!

my quick start in Photoshop 7 with custom Bristle brush.


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/517/770wip13ho.jpg

ceresz
04-24-2006, 02:31 PM
Damn, I have to join this time :D

zhuzhu : I hope you will continue this one ;) :D

aggie93
04-24-2006, 02:31 PM
... to join this one after sitting on the sidelines for the last one. Not sure which one I will do, possibly Titus or Jeremiah. I am thinking charcoal right now for the medium. This will be FUN!

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 02:33 PM
Wow, zhu, this is perfectly suited for you! :D Great start! :thumbsup:

ceresz,

Come on! We know you can do it! :)

aggie93,

This would be a great one to try in oil! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

aggie93
04-24-2006, 02:37 PM
aggie93,

This would be a great one to try in oil! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

You know you are right. Very dark though, I am afraid I would make a black blob. It would also take a long time to finish, letting it dry and stuff. Have you ever painted on anything other than canvas? I am thinking of trying to do oils on wood.

Iridyse
04-24-2006, 03:04 PM
Wonderful strokes Zhu! I want to try that brush!

Here's the next stage. I worked a little on the face, fixed the crappy hand and did some general adjustments. I'm going to tear myself away from the 'puter now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem2.jpg

Please ask me to stop if I start flooding this forum with my images :D

Argh, I keep getting an invalid thread error.

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 03:08 PM
billcunningham,

Ok, I have merged the two threads, and now your posts exist in chronological order (as to when they were posted relative to other posts in this thread) so that is why they are a little spaced.

Thanks for allowing me to do that!

I don't mind WIP at all ~ in fact, I highly encourage it! This Workshop is all about seeing the process and helping each other out ~ it's really useful for everyone to see the WIP.

hiiri,

When are you getting the error, and what exactly is it?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Iridyse
04-24-2006, 03:15 PM
It's been happening for a while now, when I try to reply to a thread. I usually go back and try a few times (and it works) or just give up and decide my comment was worthless anyway :D

Edit: It happened again, it says "Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster".

DigitalSol
04-24-2006, 03:20 PM
SaraD.
Hello, Good luck on this.

:surprised:Elliepower.
Wow, impressive work, really, im impress u are fast as light.:applause:

hiiri.
Amazing Work, Good Luck

Zhuzhu.
Great as always.

aggie93,
Good to see you are here for this.

ceresz.
Hope u join.

Rebecca.
Hello Becca, im here for the workshop again, wow, is rembrandt. :)

Zephyri
04-24-2006, 03:42 PM
I was mighty peeved to not have had the time to partake in the carravaggio copies (something I will do of my own accord in oils at some point in the future for my own benefit) but when this showed up I thought I'm just going to have to make time! I saw more than one Rembrandt in real life in amsterdam a couple of years back, and they were magnificent to behold, in the felsh, to see how much paint he managed to get onto the canvas, the way he created texture with it. It really becomes apparent in RL how he builds his colour up to light too... so thats what I'm doing here. Started with a very very dark red-brown background as I find black too lifeless. And this is a great challenge to get to grips with some of the textures in PS too. And even so little time in there is some quality work! Zhu, amazing as usual, instantly recognisable, even with those few strokes, and it's your work thats convinced me to let go more with this piece. Hiiri, a fantatsic start there, i really love the colour variation in his hands. Aggie If you do go with oils, try starting with black and working up to the highlights, then you won't! Also, try mixing it with a faster drying medium... I can't recall what it is that I use, but it's workable on within about 24hours and dries with a lovely glossy sheen.

And here's my start, working mostly with PS's natural brushes a couple of self made brushes and some brushes downloaded from here: http://www.cybia.co.uk/brushes/. About two hours work so far. Also... does anyone know if there's any higher res versions or detail shots of this anywhere?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/rembrandt-copy.jpg

zhuzhu
04-24-2006, 04:03 PM
Rebeccak:thanks~!


ceresz:of course i will finish it.

hiiri: great update~! check these 2 image links and get the bristle brush,enjoy~~~:)

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1108/bristle4jb.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/845/definebrush1lc.gif


Zephyri: dammmmmmmmmmmmmm~! that was amazing~! i can't believe it that you did such as a good job ~~~!!! :thumbsup:


face update before go to bed. i know still has some bug there, but i am too tired to sleeping, see you tomorrow...:wavey:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/70/770wip20pf.jpg

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by hiiri: It's been happening for a while now, when I try to reply to a thread. I usually go back and try a few times (and it works) or just give up and decide my comment was worthless anyway :D

Edit: It happened again, it says "Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster".
Hmm, strange! I don't know what the answer is, but I recommend posting a thread here:

CGTalk Support Forum (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=79)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=79

Bear in mind that the webmaster is in a different timezone (Australia) but if you post a thread and subscribe to it, you are likely to get an answer. :)

Sometimes I have problems with my preferred browser, Firefox, and have to switch to IE temporarily to post replies. I don't know why this is, but Firefox usually works 95% of the time. :)

Enrique,
Fantastic to see you back, and I can't wait to see what you produce! :bounce:There are no jerks this side of the Forum, so no worries. ;)

Zephyri,

Wow, great start!!! This is going to be a great Workshop! :thumbsup:

zhuzhu,

WOW! You'll probably do all 4 of these in a week! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Iridyse
04-24-2006, 04:19 PM
Zephyri, that's just GORGEOUS! I'm stunned. Great work, can't wait to see the rest of the stages.
zhuzhu: I like how it is turning out. Heads are fun to paint! I'll have a look at your thread, thanks!
Rebaccak: I'll do that if this continues. I'm using Firefox too, I guess that's what's causing problems. Thanks though.

DigitalSol
04-24-2006, 05:07 PM
Thanks Becca, this is my lineart, the first step, I did this in a sketch book, then I scanned it, and after I cleaned up in PS.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/lineart.jpg

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 05:40 PM
Looks like the start of another great painting Enrique! :)

EDIT: Zephyri, I don't know of another source for a larger version unfortunately ~ but actually I think if you click on the version that is in the artrenewal link, it might take you to a higher res version. :)

Cheers,

~Rk

DigitalSol
04-24-2006, 06:10 PM
Rebecca.
Thanks a lot, I will do my best, but will be hard, people in this OFDW, is very talented.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch.jpg

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 06:15 PM
So much the better! ;)

Can't wait to see what everyone does!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Iridyse
04-24-2006, 06:42 PM
Looking good DigitalSol !
I think I have to adjust my monitor, I can barely see what he's holding (in the original). Hmpf.

Here's the last update for today(today here anyway), a little work on the face. Doesn't look like him yet, the expression eludes me. Tomorrow! *heads to bed*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem3head.jpg

DigitalSol
04-24-2006, 06:44 PM
Amazing work there u have hiiri, really awesome. *hats off*

audit
04-24-2006, 08:50 PM
:D Hi guys. I just got my life back and i'm hoping to take part in this workshop. I must say, these are already some of the most wonderful WIPs I've ever seen!

Zhu, hiiri, Zephyri, DigitalSol -- hats off to you for producing such quality so quickly. Can't wait to see how it all progresses...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem.jpg

The first effort, about 1.5 hr. I tried to get the whole image and restrain myself from zooming in (too much)! The face is so hard to capture....i'll keep trying...

-audit

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 09:16 PM
audit! Great to see you back. :D Lovely start! Really looks like this will be an outstanding OFDW. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-24-2006, 09:50 PM
Hello everyone, great work, I mean all, this OFDW is outstanding.

Audit.
Amazing Update, that is a beautiful paint.

This is a little update, I have lots of work over here, hope u like it, all critics are welcome.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch2.jpg

Thanks

Aedilhum
04-24-2006, 10:11 PM
Hey all,
I'm new here looks like a fun thread/workshop with a lot of nice work!

Here's my progress so far.

Photoshop CS, I started out using the oil brush on the background and then switched to the large charcoal smear on the face.

http://jsimeth.com/gallery1/albums/digital/rembrant_post001lr.jpg

DigitalSol
04-24-2006, 10:23 PM
Aedilhum.

Great progress so far!, I like it so much, I like the texture, I almost can touch it, great work

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 10:27 PM
Enrique,

Progressing fast! Looking great so far, will wait to crit til it's further along. :)

Aedilhum,

Welcome aboard! Always nice to see a new person join in. :) Your piece is looking great so far! Looking forward to your next steps.

Great work on your website as well! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

RedSquirrel
04-24-2006, 11:30 PM
Well its the first time posting at OFDW and seeing that it was Rembrandt, I just couldnt resist.

http://www.solo2design.com/Imageweb/painting01.jpg


I'm amazed at everyones work so far. :bounce:

Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 11:56 PM
RedSquirrel,

Welcome aboard! The face in your study is looking great! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pierceda
04-25-2006, 02:24 AM
With Rembrandt involved, I figure I have to give this a shot. In one day people have made so much progress already!

Aedilhum, you've made some beautiful texture with the face! It has the feel of real oils.

Here's my first step, a base sketch:

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/3701/20060424rembrandtmastercopy2de.jpg

Shawshank
04-25-2006, 02:46 AM
Here's my first [wobbly] step. just mucking around with the composition and trying to get everything vaguely in the right place before tightening up the image...

My one's on the right ;)

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/andy24shaw/pics/J4zBMA38uCt6dl5j.jpg

laterrr...

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/andy24shaw/pics/zSVZEvNyT0VhaRyv.jpg

zhuzhu
04-25-2006, 03:32 AM
thanks all~~~!

finish:

< Rembrandt with a little bit smile > ha ha~~~:)

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3253/7705tk.jpg


face close up:


http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9639/770closeup9rb.jpg

Rebeccak
04-25-2006, 04:31 AM
pierceda,

Great to see you here! Nice start! :thumbsup:

Shawshank,

Welcome aboard! :) It's nice to see your work as well! This is quite cool to see so many pieces so quickly!

Well, zhuzhu is a hard act to follow, but here's what I have so far: :D

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-01.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-02.jpg

DigitalSol
04-25-2006, 04:45 AM
Heya,

RedSquirrel.
I like very much what are i doing with the character.

pierceda.
Really good looking sketch, strong structure, good luck.

Shawshank
Great progress, all are going so fast.

zhuzhu
Im huge fan of ur work, this is not the exception, supberb work.

Rebecca.
I like it very much, great colors, interesting textures, really like this one.

here is a little update, hope u like it

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch3.jpg

later!!

Ego
04-25-2006, 05:25 AM
Great job everyone. I am the leader of the cheer group! :thumbsup:

Hey Bill, how do you manage to keep those two windows (your ref image and your canvas) open at the same time in photoshop? No matter how much I try, am unable to do it.

Rebeccak
04-25-2006, 06:05 AM
A screenshot:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-03.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-04.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-05.jpg

SaraD
04-25-2006, 07:02 AM
And I´ve started :bounce:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/OFDW%20016/Monk_002.jpg

Aedilhum
04-25-2006, 07:05 AM
DigitalSol. Thanks. Looking good!

Rebeccak. Thank you. Glad you like 'em :).

pierceda. Thank ye.

zhuzhu. Nice final. congrats. :thumbsup:


Here's my update...now I'm off to bed.

http://jsimeth.com/gallery1/albums/digital/rembrant_post002lr.jpg

pierceda
04-25-2006, 07:14 AM
zhuzhu, that's some great work, and done so quickly!

DigitalSol, the face is nicely built, I like the detail spent on the eye sockets.

Shawshank, looks like good blocking, it'll be interesting to see what directions we go with this piece.

Rebeccak, I like the texture you've started adding to the hat.


Had some more free time tonight, so I got some paint in there:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2806/20060424rembrandtmastercopypai.jpg

billcunningham
04-25-2006, 07:53 AM
Hey Queensoul,

In this case I'm using Corel Painter, not Photoshop, but it works in Photoshop too... you just open both pictures at the same time, make sure they are not maximized. If they are maximized, each picture will be filling the whole screen, and you'll only be able to see one or the other.

In the upper right corner of the frame you should see a pair of overlapping squares... click them to reduce the window for each picture. Make sure you click the ones INSIDE the Photoshop window, not the ones that are actually in the Photoshop toolbar. If you click the toolbar ones, your whole Photoshop window will shrink. If you click the ones INSIDE the photoshop window, just the open picture will shrink, but Photoshop will stay the same size.

http://static.flickr.com/51/134706725_e688d032c7_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134706725/)


You can shrink both open pictures like this, then click and drag the two sub-windows to the size and shape you want them to sit next to each other.

http://static.flickr.com/44/134706726_0c029ae1bc_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/134706726/)


To make for a good reference, make sure the original and the copy have the same magnification. You can see the magnification as a little percentage number in the lower left corners of each separate picture window frame. Just click on that number and type in the number you want it to be. You can adjust the magnification to the size you want, then set the next window just like it.

(These notes are for Photoshop on a PC... on a Mac, the boxes might be in slightly different locations.. if you dont see them in the corners I've described, look in the opposite corners. But they are all there somewhere.)

I hope all this vague talk of boxes and windows makes sense... if I've totally botched the description and you have no idea what I'm talking about, let me know. It's actually pretty easy, just hard to explain in words.

And, on another note, this workshop is blowing my mind... every entry is excellent! I'll be back to mine tomorrow evening, hopefully I'll be able to catch up!

SaraD
04-25-2006, 09:09 AM
Small update
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/OFDW%20016/Monk_003.jpg

Zephyri
04-25-2006, 11:38 AM
Always amazes me how quickly the quality work builds up here! Digitalsol This looks really tight so far, the attention to the eyes is really paying off.. will you be continuing the rest of the piece to such intricacy? Zhu gods I love your brush work! Rebecca Really love the warmth you have in your coloured version and can't wait to see you work some texture in. SaraD looking promising, your figure renderings are amazing, so am curious to see where this will lead! Aedilhum I think yours is my fave so far, love the textural quality and the colours of it, looks so much like thick, slathered on paint! Pierceda really liking the slap dash approach your early stuff has.. looks like you took a large dripping brush to the canvas! And billcunningham That is a rather useful tip.. i knew you could do something simiar in PS, but not in Painter.. thanks for that!

And on to my own update, this is such a fantastic exercise... I wouldn't have thought myself able to do something like this in photoshop! His foot was particularly fun to do.:D

EDIT: oops... should point out that the overlaid closeup is of my painting too, not the original, it's at 100% size.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/rembrandt2.jpg

Maladie
04-25-2006, 12:26 PM
Hey guys, mind if I join in?:)

I'm going to use this OFDW as gesture/value/colour practice and I combined the three in the below sketch. It was done in about 15 minutes.





http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Rembrandt/colorvalue.jpg

aggie93
04-25-2006, 12:54 PM
WOW :eek: Great job everyone. I did absolutely nothing yesterday after my training. Too tired! I will start tonight.

Sara - you have done a fantastic start and I pointed you out because that is the one I have picked and I like you because you are from Sweden. lol :scream:

Mal - Speaking on the forums behalf, you are more than welcome. If they let me a traditional artist in...

Sam - You amaze me with your talent. Are you sure you are not an artist? Just kidding!

pierceda - You too have picked the one I was going to work on.

Rebecca - Great Start!

Sol - You too are an amazing artist. So fast to get to a refined piece!

I have noticed over the last few OFDW everyone that has been participating has increasingly gotten more talented. Great job guys.

SaraD
04-25-2006, 01:28 PM
Thanks Aggie:)
Here´s an update. I´m gonna leave this one for now, and start on one of the others. Just to keep the flow, and not get into to much detail.
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/OFDW%20016/Monk_004.jpg

Rebeccak
04-25-2006, 02:40 PM
Wow, guys, very very cool!

SaraD,

Finally! :D Great to see your WIP! :thumbsup:

Aedilhum,

Nice update ~ very cool! :)

pierceda,

I'm liking your brushstrokes, they're a bit Sargent~like. :)

Zephyri,

Wow, hard to tell the difference between the original and your copy! :eek: Awesome work!! :bounce:

Maladie,

Welcome back! It's great to see you in this OFDW as well! You are always welcome to join, as is anyone else who has the interest. :) Looking forward to your next steps! ;)

aggie93,

Thanks for cheering!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ego
04-25-2006, 03:02 PM
My first step during a boring watercolor class. Next steps, fix up the drawing errors in photoshop. *waves at everyone. Bill thanks for your helpful hint. I know I can open up two images side by side, however if I start working on one, the other goes in the background, which makes it a pain for sketching refs digitally. This is why I bought artrage for its ability to 'pin' reference images. I never knew photoshop and painter could do that as well. I'll try your step by step and see if it works.
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/titussketch.jpg

Rebeccak
04-25-2006, 03:04 PM
Lovely start, QS! Liking the shading a lot, and your structure is really improving! Looking forward to seeing the start of your painting ~ and don't forget to post your WIPs! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Rebeccak
04-25-2006, 04:42 PM
Well, this isn't going quickly...:rolleyes:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-06.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-07.jpg

Iridyse
04-25-2006, 05:06 PM
Great start Audit! You're almost there already:D

DigitalSol, I'm really looking forward to seeing all the stages. I love how you build up the image!

Aedilhum : That's just beautiful. Awesome strokes! Oh and welcome :D I'm new here too!.

RedSquirrel: Welcome too! You've done a great job so far.I really like the textures, what are you using?

pierceda: I like the sketchyness you have right now! Some more texture and you're set ;)

Shawshank: Nice start :d Can't wait to see more.

Zhuzhu : :O You finished so soon! It is beautiful! The textures are great.

Rebeccak : Neat! I love how it is looking so far.

SaraD: Great going!

Zephyri: I'm speechless. The textures are spot on and the painting on the whole looks so perfect! Very very well done!

Maladie: Welcome!

Queensoul: Good job so far!

billcunningham: Oops, I missed you, and you were the first to post! The WIPs look great so far!

Elliepower: Nice start! I really like how you're handling the textures, they flow with the form.

I hope I didn't miss anyone else >.<

Anyway, here's my tiny update.Didn't do much, I got back from an exam and didn't want to look at any other face, haha. But then I couldn't stay away for too long, so I worked a bit on the face and the lace.I have a whole new level of respect for Rembrandt now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem5head.jpg

This OFDW is really about textures isn't it? I need to work on that aspect anyway. Haha, I think right now the reason why I'm drawing is so I can show you guys, this forum is so nice! I love it.I'm getting a little intimidated by all the great work here though.

Elliepower
04-25-2006, 05:56 PM
Hi,

it is amazing to see this good work all around.

For me, I am going offroad.. a bit, but not much.

:eek: Who is that, I think my boyfriend. Hehe... not a reference, because it doesn't work.

http://www.elliepower.de/myimg/chris1.jpg

Ciao,
Ellie

http://www.elliepower.de/Elliegalerie/remchris800.jpg

DigitalSol
04-25-2006, 06:16 PM
SaraD.
Sure this is looking good.

Aedilhum
Great work, it really looks like a traditional media painting.

pierceda.
Good work on your as well, can't wait to see your update.

Zephyri.
I had always liked your work, Im your fan, this is looking great. Congrats.

Maladie.
That looks like a good start for me, keep on going with it.

Aggie93.
Big thanks.

Rebeccak.
Really cool work on yours, I like the temperature that your paint have, great work overall.

Queensoul.
I like very much your sketch, I will only add more contrast, good job.

Hiiri.
I love the way u paint, awesome, just that, awesome.

Elliepower.
Fantastic job, hahaha, well they are almost the same,

Here is my update, critics welcome.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch4.jpg

Ego
04-25-2006, 06:28 PM
Aaawww Enrique love that underpainting.
Becca: Its coming along nicely. Dont worry :)
Audit: Long time no see. Welcome back. I love how vibrant the monk is turning out.
zhuzhu: what can I say? Great job.
Here is my second stage. Ugly stage part 1. :P
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/uglystagepart1.jpg

audit
04-25-2006, 06:38 PM
Hellooo! My my what a busy thread this is...

Rebeccak - hi! nice to be back...love the greyscale. keep going!
Hiiri - seriously, that is looking stunning.
Zephyri - wow! that pastelly look is extremely convincing. isn't photoshop great?! :D
Aedilhum - another wonderful start...again, the texture is working really well
DigitalSol - looking good. the more refinements you make, the more i want to see it finished!
Queensoul - hello...yeah I was away for quite a while, college just took up too much time. It certaintly was quite a surprise to see the anatomy-shop reorganised.

Anyway, I did another copy today. I've included some images from the process as well ------

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem2Brushtype.jpg
The brush type I use for most of this work. Goro's Structure3. I set it to about 90% opacity. There isn't much universal variation needed, since the brush is set to opacity jitter anyway.

I set the piece up with the original to the left, open a new canvas to the same size, and then double it. This makes a lot of room for stroke sizes, especially small ones which are necessary to bring off the final highlights, and in detailed areas such as the hair and face.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Remsc1.jpg

You can really see the compositional errors in this way!! (sorry everyone...)

My method is...horrible: start in the top left corner and work to the bottom right. This is really wrong, since the sketch should come first, then major tonal areas, etc. I just start colour picking (alt+click) and away it goes. You can see the results below. Look at the left eye...haha :D I often correct the anatomy quite a lot as I go through. Once I have most of the 'paint' down, it's much easier to see relationships between areas of tone and value and the entirety of the image.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem22.jpg

Colour picking has its advantages, but it's hard work. Ideally I would pick a new colour from the area I'm working from every few seconds. The nice (or nasty, depending on your perspective) thing with Rembrandt is that you're likely to find all kinds of colours everywhere on the canvas. This is a real help as it allows a proper dynamic range in a copy, rather than blocks or ultra-smooth gradients.

I don't actually zoom in much past what you see in the screencap (about 28% zoom is the max) since I don't want to be bothered with too many details...! Here is a bit at 100% res to show you what it actually looks like:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem2100.jpg

Mmm. Nice. You'll notice I've corrected the eye...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem2.jpg

I might add that in the final image, I added a googled image of some marble to the back wall set to 'multiply' at low opacity, to try and get more texture. I think it's just about visible...


-a

Aedilhum
04-25-2006, 07:28 PM
hiiri. Looking great! very nice indeed.

Zephyri. Again, awsome job on this.

Here's my final, or nearly final update. Depending on if I feel like going back to it. There's a lot that could be done to it but hey, it's done for now.
http://jsimeth.com/gallery1/albums/digital/rembrant_post003lr.jpg

Rebeccak
04-25-2006, 07:43 PM
hiiri,

Yours is looking effortlessly beautiful! Congrats on a great job so far! :thumbsup:

Ellie,

LOL, your posts always make me smile. Rembrandt + significant other = masterpiece, no? :D

Enrique,

Great update! Hard to crit at this point since so much is likely to change. Really looking great so far, though!

Queensoul,

Great start to your painting! :)

audit,

Awesome, thanks for that great tutorial! It's really cool to see everyone's work processes, since we all work in slightly different ways. The explanations are really useful, so thanks! :)

Aedilhum,

Wow, that was fast! Considering we are barely into the first week of a 4 week Workshop, do you have any plans to tackle any of the other pieces? Really lovely work, and what a pace!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

RedSquirrel
04-25-2006, 10:35 PM
Zephyri: wow, excellent work so far on the body and face, I like the foot too. :D

Zhuzhu: I'm envious of your quick start, its so loose yet looks so good. And your detail build up is looking amazing.

Aedilhum: great work on you piece, I like the textures and the brush strokes, especially.

Audit: Awesome work.

Digitalsol: Nice use of colour tones.

SaraD: I think your image is good so far, I hope you get back to it soon.

Queensoul: Stage one looking good.

Rebeccak: Thanks for the welcome, your WIP is looking good, great lighting.

Hiiri: Love the update on the face, excellent detail BTW the program I'm using is Project Dogwaffle Pro, with their standard oil brushes, while also changing the intensity of the canvas to give the image more texture.



http://www.solo2design.com/imageweb/painting03.jpg
Here's my final, its been fun and its amazing what you notice in Rembrandts works when your trying to duplicate them.

Maladie
04-25-2006, 10:53 PM
Everyone: great work!! Particularly the progress of hiiri, audit and Digital Sol is stunning! I like how everybody whines about being lazy, not having done enough work, and then I scroll down and WHAM there's incredible work there:).

Sol, yours looks almost edible:). And hiiri, your lace looks great!

Here's a line sketch I quite liked. I was spooked by my earlier study, btw! I worked on it with bright sunlight coming through the curtains, and it looks way different (and worse) now!! I guess I'll have to become a nocturnal creature to work more on it:).

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Rembrandt/lines.jpg

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 01:11 AM
RedSquirrel,

Wow, that's coming along really well! The textures of the habit are looking superb!

Maladie,

I really like this line study, and think it's a great starting point for a painting. Looking forward to seeing it develop. :)

Small update: he's looking a little...fuzzy :D...still trying to find the right balance. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-09.jpg

EDIT: Another update:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-10.jpg

billcunningham
04-26-2006, 06:22 AM
That's what I am when I see the casual grace with which these paintings are falling off all of your digital brushes!

In particular I'm in awe of hiiri... that's the same face I'm working on, but for me it's a grueling wrestle with detail, and for hiiri, it looks so brilliantly nonchalant. That ease of strokes is something I've always envied in others, and have never been able to reproduce in myself.

Anyway, here's my work from tonight:

I'll be working on the face, so I zoom both pics in and dim the drawing layer so I can paint more easily on the paint layer under it:

http://static.flickr.com/47/135226461_51416e3b2f_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/135226461/)


Next, I paint in basic colors and shapes under the drawing, using the lines to get me a bit more accurate. Build this up just to the point I feel confident doing away with the lines:

http://static.flickr.com/47/135226462_fdce717cc6_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/135226462/)


So I shuffle the drawing layer under the paint layer, to make it disappear... from now on I'll be painting this face without those guides:

http://static.flickr.com/47/135226463_f5df1d942d_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/135226463/)

Now I start getting heavy handed with color and thick, grainy shapes... trying to exaggerate the details of creases and wrinkles of skin:

http://static.flickr.com/53/135226465_ab800437bf_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/135226465/)


Then I switch to a glaze brush set to very minimal opacity, and start glazing light ivories and yellows, and dark browns, and some pinks, around, following general planes on the head. This seems to subdue some of the clumsy harshness of the exaggerated lines, and give a bit more life:

http://static.flickr.com/51/135226466_e188db6abd_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/135226466/)

And that's as far as I got tonight. This one is coming slowly. I think next I need to concentrate more on the colors in the original... I've been trying to stay close, but not being too accurate yet. I'm trying to build this up in translucent layers, but it's going too far from the feel of the original now.

Does anyone know how Rembrandt actually painted? Did he use thick solid paint from the start, or did he layer?

This is a very challenging exercise for me. I think at the moment I'm learning the most from trying to build the wrinkled skin around that eye on the left.

For anyone who likes slideshows... here's a link to a slideshow of progress on this painting (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bill_cunningham/sets/72057594115532298/show/).

DigitalSol and Rebecca, I'm really loving looking at your tonal studies, it looks like a good way to extract some specific knowledge from the act of copying... focus just on light and dark and gradients, don't worry about color, and it looks like you get a real sense of how light is being used, and how form is being given volume. If I keep struggling with this, I may try to do some quick tonal sketches of it over the weekend.

This is my new favorite thing on the inturwebs.

pierceda
04-26-2006, 06:48 AM
Queensoul, looks like a good start with some nice gestural texture.

Here's a minor update, didn't have much time today but I got some work done on the face. My next step'll be to size up the image and start some detail work.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8468/20060425rembrandtmasterco9mr.jpg

Ego
04-26-2006, 08:31 AM
In a hurry guys but I'll come back and take a closer look at all the awesome entries while I was asleep.

Here's my update to the sexy monk.
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/uglystagepart2.jpg
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/comp.jpg

SaraD
04-26-2006, 09:29 AM
Moving on to the next painting. Always had a problem with wrinkles so this will be a good exercise :scream:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/OFDW%20016/Selfportrait_Rembrandt_001.jpg
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/OFDW%20016/Selfportrait_Rembrandt_002.jpg

RedSquirrel
04-26-2006, 12:04 PM
SaraD: nice use of colours and a good start.

Queensoul: Excellent update, I think the nose needs to be lightened up a little so that it is a similar shade to his right cheek.

pierceda: great stuff.

billcunningham: wow, nice work on the wrinkles, especially under the eyes

Rebeccak: brilliant, with those added highlights it really brings the image alive.

Maladie: I love the looseness of your sketch

Corvax
04-26-2006, 01:29 PM
alright here is my start.

15 min.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem15min.jpg

5 min.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem5min.jpg

I haven't had time to look through this this thread too much but, everybody seems to be doing well.:thumbsup:

--David René

aggie93
04-26-2006, 01:51 PM
Alrighty now! I am posting my start of the work, FINALLY! :bounce: Don't laugh, I am going to try this again. It is oil on masonite I found in the shed. I am tired of putting a blob of oil on canvas and throwing it away. So I decided while I am practicing I will use what I can find. This particular board is about 36 X 18. Therefore, I am doing two studies on it, this OFDW and a Nydia Lozano study. I am also doing a color pencil of a lady from FTW for a donation :deal: (you can see that on my anatomy thread :eek: ). I have left the self portraits. It is difficult to keep up with it all. :sad:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d50/Aggie93/060425019.jpg

I cannot wait until I get a digital pin and pad so I can work like y'all. I feel like I am imposing on your site.

Corvax - That is a great 15 minutes... Hell a great 5 minutes.

Queen - you have this in b&w are you leaving it that what or do you add color later?

pierceda - your monk is looking great!

Bill - you are starting a great tutorial with you WIP.

Reb - I love the softness you have going with yours

Mal - good to see you here again. You have a great start with your sketch. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

Looks like I am the only traditional on this OFDW. Sorry guys!

Ego
04-26-2006, 02:11 PM
Aggie dont apologize about using traditional!! Soon I'll be doing the OFDW only in oils. Thats what I wish I was using. But right now I cant. I've started coloring.

Enriquez thanks. I'll fix the values where you pointed out.

Maladie
04-26-2006, 02:34 PM
Thanks Aggie and Readsquirrel for your encouragements:)! I went ahead with my sketch and tried to make a very rudimentary comp. I noticed that I had to stretch R's head quite a bit. I hope it's not considered cheating to free transform it instead of doing it all over? hehe.

This light in my room is killing me though. I mean, it's great for sitting outside, but hopeless for monitor work! This probably looks like sh*t because of that, I haven't been able to do much, I can't even see what I'm doing...I'm gonna sit outside now:)! (the only reasonable answer)


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Rembrandt/linecomp2.jpg

Cyanid
04-26-2006, 03:16 PM
I missed this thread, but I was working on a master copy too:



http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/ref_detail.jpg (http://www.mondomostre.it/images/caravaggio/cat_caravaggio_04.jpg)
by Caravaggio

15 minutes
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/sketch2.jpg

1 hour
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/painting2.jpg

DigitalSol
04-26-2006, 04:00 PM
audit.
That looks pretty good, how u get that traditional look, can I see the brush you are using for this sometime?. Awesome work. :thumbsup:

Aedilhum.
I love the paint, seriously.:thumbsup:

RedSquirrel.
Great work, it haves a nice texture sense. :)

Maladie.
I like very much your work keep on going, I want to see it finished. :D

Rebecca.
Wow, I like it very much, con u tell me how do u set that texture on the paint, really great work. :applause:

Wow, Billcunningham, wow, that looks pretty good, I dont know to use painter like that, but the result is impressive.

pieceda.
Looking good :thumsup:

SaraD.
great start.

Corvax.
that was really fast :eek:

aggie93.
That looks really good, sometime soon i would like to try a traditional for this workshops, i used to paint in oils and watercolors, but for the moment I have no digital camera, that is looking really good.

Queensoul.
Great work, is looking really good.

Cyanid.
I love the colors on the copy.

Here is mine, still is far from finish but I want to keep that rough look, please tell me what u people think please,
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch5.jpg
Here is a little color test.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch6.jpg
Hope u like it.

Corvax
04-26-2006, 05:03 PM
45min.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem45min.jpg

--David René.

Iridyse
04-26-2006, 05:23 PM
Elliepower : I love the direction you're going in. It's such a neat idea. I want to adapt/change one of the paintings too, seems like fun!

DigitalSol: I think your painting is looking great! How do you do the colour test, it looks so lovely. I know it's something to do with layer modes but I can't seem to use that well enough.I'm stuck with painting like I do with oils. I need to learn to use Photoshop's tools, hehe. The eyes look a little too blue in the colour version though, but that should be simple to change. Those folds are gorgeous! And thank you :).

Queensoul : Nice tonal study. Haha, I just noticed your signature, great!

audit: Thanks for showing your process! It's turning out so well :D I opened a new canvas with the same dimensions too.It was mostly so I could check the positive/negative space, easier that way.

Aedilhum : Wonderful work! and so fast. I'm very impressed :D


Rebeccak : Thank you :) I really like the softness the face seems to have, it feels like flesh.

RedSquirrel : Thanks! I don't know what Dogwaffle Pro is but I'll look it up now. It seems to give great results. You have so many colours in there, I'm in love with the painting. I just realised that the colours are so "red squirrel" too, haha.

Maladie: Very nice lines! You have really captured the form of the face. :thumbsup:

billcunningham: Wow those stages are neat! I love the progress from one to the next.The strokes are gorgeous. I like how how you paint on top of the red-based underpainting, do you paint with traditional media too?

pierceda : Good stuff, keep going! :)

SaraD : Looking good :thumbsup:

Corvax: I like how you've painted the hand, great start! Edit: That's a lot of work for 45 mins, the head's looking nice!

aggie93 : Yay for oils! I don't know what masonite is though, we don't have it around here. I've heard about it a lot. I want to try a copy in oils too, the last I did was landscape by Corot.It was fun!

Cyanid: Very nice! You still have time for this one though :D


Here's my update. I've just been painting all over the image really. I worked some more on his left hand, a little on the lace and a bit on the books. I'm trying hard to work all over the image, I have a tendency to finish off one part and to move on to the rest. The colours are proving to be a bit of a problem too, because of the dark background. I don't colour pick, so it's usually glazes of colour over each other till I'm satisfied with how it's looking, or till I get tired :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem6.jpg

DigitalSol
04-26-2006, 05:35 PM
DigitalSol: I think your painting is looking great! How do you do the colour test, it looks so lovely. I know it's something to do with layer modes but I can't seem to use that well enough.I'm stuck with painting like I do with oils. I need to learn to use Photoshop's tools, hehe. The eyes look a little too blue in the colour version though, but that should be simple to change. Those folds are gorgeous! And thank you :).


Many thanks Hiiri, yeah, the eyes are blue, will work on it, thanks.

I used to paint in oils too, as a fact sometimes I do, not to often but Im not good enough working the colors and the form at the same time, even in oils I use a seven layer technique, very close to this, I made a tutorial if u are interested the link to there is in my signature, My painting tutorial, look around please.

Gorgeous paint, I really love your work. :thumbsup:

Ego
04-26-2006, 05:39 PM
I have gingerly started a coloring wip. This is an adventure which I may very wimp out of :scream.

http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/colorwip.jpg

DigitalSol
04-26-2006, 05:42 PM
I like it very much Queen, good work :applause:

Maladie
04-26-2006, 05:43 PM
Good structural work, Oueensoul!! Also, the faces anatomy looks much more balanced now. His mouth makes him look like a geisha. But that's not necessarily a bad thing;)

aggie93
04-26-2006, 05:52 PM
aggie93 : Yay for oils! I don't know what masonite is though, we don't have it around here. I've heard about it a lot. I want to try a copy in oils too, the last I did was landscape by Corot.It was fun!

Masonite is a composite board. It varies in thickness. http://www.pearlpaint.com/shop~ocID~500~parentID~500~categoryID~9863.htm I just did a general search and found this site. It appeared the oil was drying faster on it than on canvas. It is the first time I have used it too. We will see.

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 06:04 PM
Wow, so much great work going on here! :bounce:

Great stuff everyone ~ wow, QS, I'll say it again ~ your improvement is remarkable! I'm really proud of you. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Iridyse
04-26-2006, 06:27 PM
DigitalSol: I checked out your tutorial, very nice!Thanks :D

Queensoul: Wonderful! The colours are lovely and the image on the whole is looking very nice.

aggie93: Ah, thanks. Drying fast in a good way? Otherwise the paint looks dull, doesn't it? It may need some priming then.

Corvax
04-26-2006, 06:29 PM
1 h. 15 min.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem75min.jpg

Im gonna slow down for a bit now... :)

DigitalSol
04-26-2006, 07:03 PM
Good work Corvax, can u please show a close up of the paint?

Corvax
04-26-2006, 07:15 PM
sure thing here is a crop at 50% :)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/covax123/rem50p.jpg

--David René.

TheDagger
04-26-2006, 08:37 PM
I haven't participated in OFDW in quite a while now, but I've been browsing through these threads regularly. It's nice to see that OFDW is still going strong. :)

Anyway, here's my attempt. I'm not exactly happy with it, maybe I'll start over or continue with this one if I have time.

http://www.winterkeep.com/ofdw/testi.jpg

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 09:00 PM
TheDagger,

Great to see you in this! Nice start here ~ you might want to darken the whole picture with a low opacity layer on top of all of your other layers, then rebuild the lights gradually. Looking forward to seeing your progress!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

aggie93
04-26-2006, 09:06 PM
aggie93: Ah, thanks. Drying fast in a good way? Otherwise the paint looks dull, doesn't it? It may need some priming then.

You know, like I said, this is the first time I have used it. I will have to see.

Cyanid
04-26-2006, 10:08 PM
very nice progress here!

the dagger: nice start!

corvax: nice! the nose is especially good!

digitalsol: very nice sense of color, maybe the look is somewhat too polished, too smooth. The thing I like the most of Rembrandt are his rough, nearly overtextured paintings!

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/painting3.jpg

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 10:11 PM
Cyanid,

The dome of the head is looking great! Great lighting so far, really liking it a lot! :)

If I may, my recommendation would be to be careful about not making the features of the face too small / bunched together...otherwise, really liking the color pallette so far and think you could really create a nice, finished piece!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Art2
04-26-2006, 10:14 PM
Great stuff! :thumbsup:
I'll be joining the fun too, I wanted to join for a long time.
I'll start this weekend :)

Cyanid
04-26-2006, 10:16 PM
thanks for the fast reply rebecca!

I think I leave the face for what it is now, I focus more on the brilliant lightning of the original. You think the face is too 'compact' yet?

Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 10:19 PM
Marlon,

It will be great to have you aboard! :bounce:

Cyanid,

You know, you're right, because in the original, the face is pretty compact as well. :) I wouldn't change it much, then, except to refine. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-26-2006, 10:26 PM
Hi Rebecca :) and Everyone

Who could resist trying to paint a Rembrandt?
Started this yesterday. Started smooth, wasn't satisfied, so broke out the thickest bristle oil brush I could find!

Everybody's stuff is looking great so far.
And it's a real pleasure to see it!

Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/REMBRANT_3.jpg

DigitalSol
04-26-2006, 10:29 PM
Hey Glenn, I like very much, really :), are u using Painter?

SpiritDreamer
04-27-2006, 12:12 AM
Hi....Enrique....and THANKS...:)

Nice to see you painting this...Rembrant....he's a tough act to imatate....one of a kind style.
almost as hard as trying to do a copy of a Van Gogh...LOL ...:)
In answer to your question....The only program that I use is PAINTER # 9...I am in the process
of trying to learn Z BRUSH at the moment...hope to combine what I learn in Z BRUSH, with what I have learned so far in PAINTER # 9 .....Should be a nice combination I THINK...:)
Really looking forward to seeing your painting develope...if it comes out half as good as your
last painting, it will be ...GREAT...:thumbsup: .....Don't be afraid of those thick juicy brushstrokes...:scream:
IT'S ONLY PAINT...:eek:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

DigitalSol
04-27-2006, 02:08 AM
Corvax.
Looking good, thanks for the close up.

TheDagger.
Really like your paint look, it seems it has painted in a cotton canvas or something like that, looking for your updates.

Cyanid.
Your work is going lovely, your color palette is great, with those vibrant color, congrats, I made a little test by aplying some textures with a brush hope u can give me an opinion.

SpiritDreamer.
So that is Painter, hu?, looking really good, I have Painter IX too, but I almost don't use it, because I dont know the program, since I work and studied Graphical Design, Im most confortable with Photoshop, but your paints encourage me to study Painter, great results, Thanks for the compliment, I hope u can give an opinion about this update.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch7.jpg}

Thanks to all

tayete
04-27-2006, 11:20 AM
Well, here is my temporary advance. I hope this weekend I may be able to add some more detail:

I'll work in Painter IX (it rocks!), and well, I first created a small colour palette (you may watch the colour watches at the right) which will guide me more or less... I just used the technique described in Lynda.com's Colour DVD (which you MUST buy, it is the most comprehensible colours lessons I've ever had) to create that palette...

Then, I just started by creating a document the same size as the reference pic, with a medium grey background, and started doodling. After I started to paint with some oils I noticed my sketch had some flaws (for example, his left hand is not exactly at the same point as Rembrandt's one...).

Well, I hope I'll finish this!

Ego
04-27-2006, 11:20 AM
yeah Glen! Nice to see you and a good start you got already.

Enrique, I love the painting with the texture; I happen to think that textures is what I need for this piece as well.
Great job guys. Put in an hour starting to work in the colors. I have to do something else but in the immortal words of the terminator 'I'll be back'!

http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/colorwip2.jpg
I also reduced the left cheek. It was a bit puffy in my previous version.

tayete
04-27-2006, 11:20 AM
The next step:

Cyanid
04-27-2006, 12:17 PM
DigitalSol:

Thanks for your comments.
I think the textures are a little bit over the top now. Not that much, but espescially on the cheek and above the eyebrow it looks a little bit strange. the somewhat grainy red hues on the right side of the head look very Rembrandt!

SpiritDreamer
04-27-2006, 12:49 PM
Hi ....QueenSoul....:wavey: THANKS
....Great to see you working on this one also..:)
....what's that saying...
YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY...BABY....LOL :scream: .....very true ...:) :thumbsup:

You might want to lighten up that dark line or creases edge on the side of his face..just a tad.
Other than that, it looks GREAT so far...can't wait to see how far you take it...you captured the
mood and expression perfectly....:applause:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

SpiritDreamer
04-27-2006, 01:25 PM
Hi....Enrique.....:) .....I like the textured version better....think you should cut loose, and just
experiment a little with your painter # 9 program.....just make another version, or copy
of the one you are working on...put it into painter, and try out different brushes ect. on it.
You will still have the one you posted saved, with the method of painting that you already know so well, ...plus an experimental version done just for fun...you might just surprize yourself,.....your experimental version might come out better than your tried and proven method of painting.....you'll never know until you give it a try....but you''ll probably always
WONDER...:shrug: :eek: .... :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Cyanid
04-27-2006, 01:57 PM
close-up of the head,
think it is coming along nice now.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/painting4.jpg

Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 02:01 PM
Heya Cyanid,

That's looking great! :) My one suggestion would be to make his right brow a little less prominent, since it is further away from the viewer. Really nice atmosphere! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-27-2006, 02:33 PM
Queensoul.
looking good, thanks for coment my image.

Glenn.
Thanks for the coments, I will try to do something with Painter, by aplying the color directly in the next Rembrandt's portrait, I will try finish this one this same week, and try the next on Painter, thanks again.

Here is an update for mine, hope u can give me some feedback, thanks from now.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch8.jpg

aggie93
04-27-2006, 02:46 PM
Here is my update from this morning. I didn't get to work on it much last night. I worked on my pin-up and started my other study. I am taking my boy on a boys weekend camping at Corpus Christi starting today. Therefore, I do not have time to even comment this morning. Sorry!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d50/Aggie93/060426OFDW16.jpg

PS Masonite did appear to soak up the oil and dull it out. The oil did dry quite rapidly. Maybe you need to put some sort of primer on the surface first?

Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 02:49 PM
Enrique,

That is looking great! I'll post some crits in a little while.

LOL, Aggie, :D

I posted something about priming and such on your Anatomy Thread here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3491925&postcount=64).

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Zephyri
04-27-2006, 04:05 PM
Wow, loads more great work! Thank for the positive feedback so far, this is proving to be a very interesting study for me. It's stunning how well versed Rembrandt was in the subtleties of hard and soft edges, and creating contrast with them. Glenn Wonderful to see you here, and looks like you've already broken out the heavy paints for this, cracking stuff, can't wait to see you build it up. Queensoul I've not been about as much as others, but you're stuff really has taken a leap on here, fantastic start and good call on the cheek. Aggie As rebecca's put something up about priming, I won't add -other than to say you can buy black primer, which might be better for this than straight white and covering in black again., Good to see you're doing this tradtionally... it's something i really want to have a go at! DigitalSol I think I like the texture... but Glenn's suggestion is a good one! The heavy oil brushes in painter are great for adding texture. However, I know what a nightmare painter can be to get to grips with if you've not used it much. Have you tried using a light chalky brush in PS to add texture? It's what I've used pretty much exclusively on mine, and its work well over a smooth base. Cyanid That carravagio is coming on beautifully... keep it up! Corvax wow.. thats great work for an hour and 15 mins! Are you going to keep going with it or try one of the other pieces? TheDagger I love the canvas effect you have on that, it looks like really smoothly mixed oil paints, I'd keep working with that rather than start again, it has great potential!

And an update on my own... the shinies are giving me headaches!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/rembrandt3.jpg

Maladie
04-27-2006, 05:24 PM
Wheeee! I love this!! I wish I had the beautiful oil brushes from painter, but it seems I have to make do with the natural brushes in PS?
Never mind, I know it doesn't look that great, but I'm learning so much about colour and Rembrandts style just makes me very happy:). Btw this took me quite a long time, like 2 hours or so. So at this rate I might not finish...

Digital: his eyes look a bit neon on my screen. The whites of the eyes look blueish. Also his moustache looks not quite belonging. For the rest I think you're doing superb work!



http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Rembrandt/colours1.jpg

aggie93
04-27-2006, 05:34 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/painting4.jpg

Hey Cyanid, where did you find this picture of my bald head? lol Looking great.

Zeph - You have done such a great job in this little time we started. Are you sure you didn't start ahead of time?

SpiritDreamer
04-27-2006, 05:49 PM
Hi Zephyri ......THANKS...:) .....GREAT TO SEE YOU HERE TOO.....:thumbsup:

SPIRIT WIND.....BLOWN AWAY.....SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL...:bounce: .can't wait to see it finished.:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 07:13 PM
Zephyri,

That's looking amazing! Really astounding progress, just can't wait to see this finished! :thumbsup:

Maladie,

I continue to be so impressed with your progress! It's always fun to feel that you're learning to master something ~ I think we all naturally like rules and it's great to see when following a specific course yields positive results...keep going, you're doing great so far!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Art2
04-27-2006, 07:41 PM
Zephyri, that is one awesome copy! :thumbsup:

Great job by everyone!!

Jack Shannon
04-27-2006, 10:46 PM
Omg I cannot believe that I missed this thread! Such exellent work. Zhuzhu, amazing stuff. Digitalsol, great start, i loved your last one. Rebecca, those textures are great!

Grr, must finish this ones, i've started differently.

Anyway here it is, quick start, I know the right eye is mashed but meh, I'm tired. Goodnight.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8527/011vf.jpg

Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 11:00 PM
Jack,

Great to see you on board this one! Just bear in mind that these start up around every 2~4 weeks. We're only in week 1, so you've got three more weeks on this one, plenty of time! :)

Great start, and thanks for the compliment!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Jack Shannon
04-27-2006, 11:07 PM
Thanks for your awesome reply Rebecca, I'm new to going colour straight away, looking to learn lots from this one, i did in the last one.
I nicked one of my grandads books on Rembrant, called Rembrants eyes. It was really interesting, had some of his early paintings when he was fifteen, same as me because my birthday was last week :) Please excuse me for my absence lately, been really busy with school and coursework and stuff.

Cheers,
Jack

SpiritDreamer
04-27-2006, 11:22 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone

Started working on the face today. Just roughing it in - long ways to go.
Having a hard time trying to get that little smile he has going on.
I can't believe how many colors he puts underneath his colors!
Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/REMBRANT_10.jpg

ThreedyModeler
04-27-2006, 11:23 PM
Hello All! I've been checking out these workshops for a while now, and have really wanted to participate. I started on #14, but got swamped with work and life and didn't make significant headway on it.

Here's my start on this one. About 90 minutes, including one Photoshop crash (I need to save more often!) Sorry it's so dark... got started on the highlights, but I gotta wrap it up for today.

http://www.malomations.com/taber/cgtalk/ofdw16/OFDW16_01.jpg

Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 11:33 PM
Glenn,

Great update! I like that you're straight painting this one ~ it's looking really solid! :)

ThreedyModeler,

Great to see you aboard this one! I think it's better to start out too dark than too light ~ nice start, looking forward to your next update!

/me goes to do some needed cleaning. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-28-2006, 12:27 AM
THANKS....Rebecca....:)

REALLY ENJOYING THIS ONE, AND THAT METHOD OF PAINTING...:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 12:36 AM
Colorized update...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-11.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-14.jpg

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by tayete: Well, here is my temporary advance. I hope this weekend I may be able to add some more detail:

I'll work in Painter IX (it rocks!), and well, I first created a small colour palette (you may watch the colour watches at the right) which will guide me more or less... I just used the technique described in Lynda.com's Colour DVD (which you MUST buy, it is the most comprehensible colours lessons I've ever had) to create that palette...

Then, I just started by creating a document the same size as the reference pic, with a medium grey background, and started doodling. After I started to paint with some oils I noticed my sketch had some flaws (for example, his left hand is not exactly at the same point as Rembrandt's one...).

Well, I hope I'll finish this!
Tayete, welcome aboard! I didn't see your post earlier, but it's great to see a new person join! Looking forward to your next steps, it looks like you have a great start! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-28-2006, 01:19 AM
Rebecca....how are you doing the color....are you trying out Enrique's method for coloring,
just curious...that method he used on that last painting really amazed me...I did not
understand how it worked, because I don't use photo shop, but I was pretty surprized by it.
Am curious to see if any of the coloring methods work besides just eyeballing the colors on a
Rembrant...he used so many colors...:shrug:
I like your painting so far, was wodering if you are planning on going into it with the brushy look, like you did recently. I really liked those paintings and that style...those kind of strokes would look great on top of your curent painting I think...would really give it that extra punch.
plus you said that you really enjoyed painting in that brushy style, if I remember corectly.
Can't wait to see how you merge the two styles, if that is the direction you decide to take.

Just saw your golden version...like that one a lot .....:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 01:40 AM
Glenn,

Here are the steps I took ~ you can easily toggle through all of the different blending modes for a layer (described in depth below) by click on the layer and Shift + =. Each blending mode will give you a different result, and so I just play with Blending Modes, Color, and Opacity of a layer until I'm happy with the results.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Colorize-steps.gif

I plan to paint back over this, sampling the colors created using blending modes.

Blending Modes are described as following in PS Help:

The blending mode specified in the options bar controls how pixels in the image are affected by a painting or editing tool. It's helpful to think in terms of the following colors when visualizing a blending mode's effect:






The base color is the original color in the image.
The blend color is the color being applied with the painting or editing tool.
The result color is the color resulting from the blend.
To select a blending mode for a tool:

Choose from the Mode pop-up menu in the options bar.

Normal

Edits or paints each pixel to make it the result color. This is the default mode. (Normal mode is called Threshold when you're working with a bitmapped or indexed-color image.)

Dissolve

Edits or paints each pixel to make it the result color. However, the result color is a random replacement of the pixels with the base color or the blend color, depending on the opacity at any pixel location.

Behind

Edits or paints only on the transparent part of a layer. This mode works only in layers with Lock Transparency deselected and is analogous to painting on the back of transparent areas in a sheet of acetate.

Clear

Edits or paints each pixel and makes it transparent. This mode is available for the Line tool Line tool (when fill region Fill Pixels icon is selected), the Paint Bucket tool Paint Bucket tool , the Brush tool Brush tool , the Pencil tool Pencil tool , the Fill command, and the Stroke command. You must be in a layer with Lock Transparency deselected to use this mode.

Darken

Looks at the color information in each channel and selects the base or blend color--whichever is darker--as the result color. Pixels lighter than the blend color are replaced, and pixels darker than the blend color do not change.

Multiply

Looks at the color information in each channel and multiplies the base color by the blend color. The result color is always a darker color. Multiplying any color with black produces black. Multiplying any color with white leaves the color unchanged. When you're painting with a color other than black or white, successive strokes with a painting tool produce progressively darker colors. The effect is similar to drawing on the image with multiple magic markers.

Color Burn

Looks at the color information in each channel and darkens the base color to reflect the blend color by increasing the contrast. Blending with white produces no change.

Linear Burn

Looks at the color information in each channel and darkens the base color to reflect the blend color by decreasing the brightness. Blending with white produces no change.

Lighten

Looks at the color information in each channel and selects the base or blend color--whichever is lighter--as the result color. Pixels darker than the blend color are replaced, and pixels lighter than the blend color do not change.

Screen

Looks at each channel's color information and multiplies the inverse of the blend and base colors. The result color is always a lighter color. Screening with black leaves the color unchanged. Screening with white produces white. The effect is similar to projecting multiple photographic slides on top of each other.

Color Dodge

Looks at the color information in each channel and brightens the base color to reflect the blend color by decreasing the contrast. Blending with black produces no change.

Linear Dodge

Looks at the color information in each channel and brightens the base color to reflect the blend color by increasing the brightness. Blending with black produces no change.

Overlay

Multiplies or screens the colors, depending on the base color. Patterns or colors overlay the existing pixels while preserving the highlights and shadows of the base color. The base color is not replaced but is mixed with the blend color to reflect the lightness or darkness of the original color.

Soft Light

Darkens or lightens the colors, depending on the blend color. The effect is similar to shining a diffused spotlight on the image.

If the blend color (light source) is lighter than 50% gray, the image is lightened as if it were dodged. If the blend color is darker than 50% gray, the image is darkened as if it were burned in. Painting with pure black or white produces a distinctly darker or lighter area but does not result in pure black or white.

Hard Light

Multiplies or screens the colors, depending on the blend color. The effect is similar to shining a harsh spotlight on the image.

If the blend color (light source) is lighter than 50% gray, the image is lightened, as if it were screened. This is useful for adding highlights to an image. If the blend color is darker than 50% gray, the image is darkened, as if it were multiplied. This is useful for adding shadows to an image. Painting with pure black or white results in pure black or white.

Vivid Light

Burns or dodges the colors by increasing or decreasing the contrast, depending on the blend color. If the blend color (light source) is lighter than 50% gray, the image is lightened by decreasing the contrast. If the blend color is darker than 50% gray, the image is darkened by increasing the contrast.

Linear Light

Burns or dodges the colors by decreasing or increasing the brightness, depending on the blend color. If the blend color (light source) is lighter than 50% gray, the image is lightened by increasing the brightness. If the blend color is darker than 50% gray, the image is darkened by decreasing the brightness.

Pin Light

Replaces the colors, depending on the blend color. If the blend color (light source) is lighter than 50% gray, pixels darker than the blend color are replaced, and pixels lighter than the blend color do not change. If the blend color is darker than 50% gray, pixels lighter than the blend color are replaced, and pixels darker than the blend color do not change. This is useful for adding special effects to an image.

Difference

Looks at the color information in each channel and subtracts either the blend color from the base color or the base color from the blend color, depending on which has the greater brightness value. Blending with white inverts the base color values; blending with black produces no change.

Exclusion

Creates an effect similar to but lower in contrast than the Difference mode. Blending with white inverts the base color values. Blending with black produces no change.

Hue

Creates a result color with the luminance and saturation of the base color and the hue of the blend color.

Saturation

Creates a result color with the luminance and hue of the base color and the saturation of the blend color. Painting with this mode in an area with no (0) saturation (gray) causes no change.

Color

Creates a result color with the luminance of the base color and the hue and saturation of the blend color. This preserves the gray levels in the image and is useful for coloring monochrome images and for tinting color images.

Luminosity

Creates a result color with the hue and saturation of the base color and the luminance of the blend color. This mode creates an inverse effect from that of the Color mode.
Cheers, :)



~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer
04-28-2006, 03:10 AM
THANK YOU ....Rebecca....I THINK.....:banghead: :)

Almost the same effect that I get in painter, when I tint the whole painting, and then shine
colored spot lights on different areas of the painting...and then ajust the contrast, color,
values ect, afterwards.
IS the method you are using the same as the method that Enrique decribed while doing the
Caravaggio painting, or is Enrique's method totally different...just curious...it seemed like
Enriquie was able to pinpoint small areas of color, like grapes, bread, shirt sleeves, ect, and
superimpose them on his monochromatic golden colored version.
Not trying to make your head hurt or anything....LOL ...was just curious.
TAKE CARE
Glenn

aggie93
04-28-2006, 03:12 AM
Reb - You make that look like once you get the rendering down, you can just pick and choose a color scheme. Not trying to take away any talent that is in here, but you made it look like it was almost cheating compared to traditional art work.

I know this is probably going to open up a can of worms. I do not have any means of digital art knowledge. Be nice to me and explain it. I do want to get into it but just do not have the funds for all the stuff right now.

depleteD
04-28-2006, 03:15 AM
Holy...Crap....

SpiritDreamer
04-28-2006, 03:22 AM
Hi ...aggie....Boy are you in big troble now.....worms everywhere....LOL...JUST KIDDING...:scream:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 03:31 AM
Aggie,

Ah, welcome to Digital Art Debate 101. ;)

Cheating...hmm, well, in traditional work, many 'Old Masters' built up a monochrome or black and white or brown / white underpainting, and then glazed with multiple successive layers of thin paint on top.

Leonardo da Vinci (http://www.welcometuscany.it/tuscany_photo_gallery/arezzo_anghiari_Battle_standard_leonardo_da_vinci_paint.jpg) is a great example of this.

If I waited for for hours before creating a new blending mode layer, would this then not be 'cheating'? :) Digital art is faster, and this debate is not one that is likely to end.

I've spent so much time focusing on grayscale pieces because of a number of reasons. The first is that I know that the value structure matters far more than the colors placed on top. Even in traditional painting, the drawing is FAR more important than the colors used. You may have heard the mantra, Drawing IS Painting. Michelangelo said this, I believe.

Apart from this, as an artist, I am using Photoshop ~ Photoshop is not using me. Photoshop did not make the value structure choices for me, I did. Nor does Photoshop know how to draw or to make proportional judgements, I do. Photoshop does not know what colors look good together and what looks 'right', that's me. The tool never does the entire job for you ~ that's quite clear from all of the different results we are seeing here on this thread. Each person's personality is coming out through their discriminating use of digital tools.

The second reason I've focused so much on grayscale is because I know how quickly one can add color with the use of Blending Modes. Yep, it's loads faster than allowing a canvas to dry for days before going back to it and painting again. But, let's put it this way ~ is using a pre~stretched canvas that you buy at the artstore 'cheating'? Shouldn't you stretch it yourself? Or, if you go further, shouldn't you grow the cotton, grow the tree for the wood, cut it down, and make it into the canvas supports, make the nails from metal you've mined, put the support together, stretch the canvas, and then go about making your gesso and brushes and paints? :) Digital art has made me realize the extent to which oil paint and acrylic paint and even a charcoal pencil is a technology. You and I don't create those tools, Aggie, or understand their chemical properties any more than we understand the technology that enables digital artists to use the blending Modes of Photoshop to add color.

If I get a good result quickly, it's in part thanks to the technology, but it's also due to my years of traditional training. These days, however, people can start totally from a digital beginning and improve quickly, thanks to the tools. But a person still has to have skill and be willing and able to learn the basic principles of art. That's why we're focusing here in these Workshops on a Master Copy ~ not to emulate the exact way in which the painting was constructed ~ that would take years, not weeks, after all ~ but to learn the basic aspects of drawing, color, composition, value, etc. In fact, this is really the whole purpose behind the Workshop ~ to emphasize that principles inherent in traditional art should be carried over to Digital Art. However, digital art is distinct from traditional art, and by no means is the purpose of digital art to replicate the traditional MEANS of achieving a digital end.

To think of it another way, Aggie, what happens if you take away oil paints and acrylics and pencils and pens, canvas, and paper? Are you an artist then? An artist relies on his or her tools. Photoshop is a digital tool, meant to be used. It has properties which enable certain things to be faster. For example, a pencil and paper enable you to make marks on a page. It's a tool / technology that lets you do something that you couldn't do without them. And the same with oil paint. You can get marvelous effects with oil paint, thanks in large part to the paint itself and the brushes and canvas ~ not you. Tools are as much a part of being an artist as is talent and hard work. Photoshop is a tool. It is as much a part of being a digital artist as is talent and hard work.

Other 'cheating' analogies ~ driving a car is faster than walking. Is driving 'cheating'? Well, it's not walking, it's driving. It enables you to do something faster. Another analogy is this: communication in it's original form is through talking face to face or by writing letters on paper. Are we 'cheating' by communicating through the internet? Are we cheating because it's faster? Should we all abandon the internet and go back to just speaking to only those people we would encounter in our real lives, because that is communiation in it's 'purest', most original form?

That being said, not everyone who purchases a copy of Photoshop is going to become an artist. A person using a digital painting program has to be able to make the same kind of judgements as a traditional artist.

It's a subject that will likely always be debated as long as digital and traditional art are around. To my mind, as long as someone doesn't trace / sample colors from the original, or downright copy / paste elements into their own work, all of the other digital tools on hand are there to be used.

Glenn,

Everyone approaches things a little differently. I am laying down the biggest areas first and will refine later. This is WIP, remember. ;) You don't have to fill an entire layer set to a blending mode with color ~ you can carefully paint just a grape, and leave the rest of the painting untouched. I could do the same thing on any or all objects of a painting. It just depends on the individual artists' approach.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego
04-28-2006, 04:37 AM
That word 'cheat' makes me cringe.!

LoTekK
04-28-2006, 04:41 AM
Psst, aggie: "Undo" would also be a cheat in some sense of the word. ;)

Too early in the day for a coherent reply beyond that. ^_^

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 05:01 AM
@Glenn.
I like very much your paint's mood, the colors they are too much in the original, and the textures are looking really great, congratulations, great work.I will try Painter for the next portrait

@ThreedyModeler
Looking good.

@Rebecca.
Great update, i like very much the colors u are using, as for the method I think the base is the same (I mean play with the layer's blending modes), but the execution is diferent, looking really great,:thumbsup: u exposed the point very good the results depend enterly by the artist not in the tool that use, no matter if is traditional or digital, that is the same thing that once a student of mine ask, and same answer I gave.

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 05:01 AM
All
There is a method called the seven layer method for painting in oils, is the method that I use in traditional oils, I learned it at the univ, as I know, it was created in the 16th centyury and great painters as Rubens, Van Duke or Snyders used it, it is very confortable for me, since as i said Im not good working in color and form at same time, when i learn to use the PS for paint, I tried to translate that technique to the digital media these are the steps.

Drawing on paper
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a00.jpg

Transferred to the painting
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a0.jpg

IMRIMATURA
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a1.jpg
1ST LAYER

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a2.jpg
2ND LAYER

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 05:03 AM
PODMALYOVOK
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a7.jpg
3RD LAYER

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a3.jpg
4TH LAYER


DEAD LAYER
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a4.jpg
5TH LAYER

1ST BODY
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a5.jpg
6TH LAYER

LESSIROVKA
2ND BODY
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/6.jpg
7TH LAYER

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 05:06 AM
aditional to this when u have the seven layers complete, u can colorize the paint with light oil washes, covering the underpaint created.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/7.jpg

I think that one is better digital artist when u have painted in traditional before, because that way u think about the computer as a tool.

Aw, I almost forgot my update

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch9.jpg

MatthewRodgers
04-28-2006, 06:27 AM
Hey all,
been lookin in on the master copies. decided to chime in.
Heres a quick start - its not much but i kept puttin git off, so i thought it was time to chime in :)


http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/GabyQHLnRVPWknH4.jpg




my guy is a bit larger atm.But was using a pretty large brush for most of it.
Great work everyone - daunting how quickly you are all getting on with your pics - you know its 4 weeks long aye? or are you all doing multiple rembrandt copies :P
Very inspiring.
And rebecca thanks so much for setting all this up - the best of the spotlight thread has consumed several hours of my work time already :P
I know you really must dedicate a lot of time here and i just wanted to say how much we all appreciate it. Respect.
anyways off for some dinner.
update in a couple days (im away for the weekend :)

pierceda
04-28-2006, 06:40 AM
Cavematty, looks like a good gestural start.

DigitalSol, the frills look great.

Rebeccak, I really like the grain texture you've got going.

Here's tonight's update:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8514/04272006rembrandtmastercopy0ii.jpg

MatthewRodgers
04-28-2006, 07:29 AM
heehee once i posted i could see how off some parts were so i spent a lil longer correcting it.
plus someone turned up to work with food leftover from todays shoot so i got some yummy cake to tide me over for a bit :D
Heres the update:
http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/G7mBO9Y1gLpZdQFb.jpg

Cyanid
04-28-2006, 07:39 AM
cavematty, nice colorscheme...keep it up!!
digitalsol: aahh where are the colors?? :D
rebeccak: thats a great technique...though I don't use it, it seems worth trying :)
Though I one would learn more by trying and blending colors instead of adjusting some hues with layeropacity's etc. But maybe I am wrong.
I adjusted the eyebrow a little bit. better now?

I am stuck with the beard, its very hard, any tips/suggestions?

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/beard1.jpg

the overall:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/painting5.jpg

I'm off for the weekend now :)

Maladie
04-28-2006, 10:38 AM
WOW! I think the discussion here is sooo interesting. It certainly has me thinking about workflow, artisticity (if that's a word:)), colours, values, everything! Sometimes I almost get overwhelmed by this new world that's so rich and fascinating (and then I have to sit down and have a cookie:)).

Rebecca, I would love to try your method. Just not sure I completely understand. Would you mind validating this guess:
- make a black and white value layer
- put a coloured layer on top
- make a layer mask (?) for the areas you want to apply the colour to
- experiment with the blending modes
- make a new coloured layer and mask
- experiment
- merge satisfying result.

Right?:)

I was never that great at using masks, I don't fully understand how to make and use them. I'll see if I can get a book about it somewhere.
Btw, I thought your explanation about the computer as a tool was really great. It moved me. It was a friend of mine that I always thought was a total whizzkid, who explained something very similar to me and got me involved in cg and animation.
A huge thank you for your passion, help and dedication!!
(need another cookie now:))

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 01:24 PM
Enrique,

Your Tutorial steps are great, thanks for that! :) And wow, the ruffles are just looking amazing! :arteest:

Cavematty,

Welcome aboard! It's great to see your start. :) Thank you for your very kind words! :)

pierceda,

Thank you! Your update is looking great. Definitely great to see your work. :)

Cyanid,

That's looking really good! I'm really liking the painting so far of his right arm and hand. :)

Maladie,

Thanks for the kind words. :) You should bear in mind that as much as others are learning digital painting here, I am too. ;) You don't have to approach things in the same way as I do, nor do you have to approach things strictly according to anyone else's formula. I'm setting down the base colors and will likely build more paint on top of the base as I continue with my painting. :)

For a really good explanation of the technique I'm using, see Stahlberg's excellent Tutorial:

Jealousy Step by Step Digital Black and White to Color Painting Tutorial (http://www.androidblues.com/JealousyStepbystep/jealousystep.html)

He explains it much better than I can. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 01:32 PM
Cavematty:
I like the color scheme

Cianyd:
Lookin great, when Im makin hair or fur, I start from a dark base, it works better, and try to use some bristle brushes with smudge tool, that works for me.

here is a colorized update, hope u like it.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch10.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch11.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/sketch12.jpg

Ego
04-28-2006, 01:37 PM
Enrique thanks for the demo. Also your copy is wow!

Beh, this is where am at. Hey I was reading up on Rembrandt. He had a son named Titus. Is that who the model is?
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/color.jpg

SpiritDreamer
04-28-2006, 02:21 PM
WOW....LOL....:)
A lot happened while I was sleeping.....guess it pays to stir the pot of imagination once in
awhile.....keeps the stew from stagnating and becoming stale....:scream:
I think it is great how everyone is applying the old principles of painting, that have evoled over
a long period of time, and are still evoleing... in this new medium..as evidenced by these paintings....the evolution continuies.....GREAT...:thumbsup:

Rebecca....THANK YOU....for your energy...explanations....and everything really...I THINK that
your painting and aproach or technique to this painting is .....GREAT..:thumbsup:

Enrique.....THANKS, AND THANK YOU for the apple demo....made it a lot clearer to me about
the technique that you are using....knew it looked familar, but could not quite put mt finger
on it...think it is great that you have adapted that technique to this new digital medium..:thumbsup:

Aggie.....LOL....THANKS FOR OPENING THAT CAN OF ...WORMS...:scream: ...WORMS MAKE NEW DIRT, AND KEEP THE SOIL ..FRESH ...:thumbsup: :)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

krispee
04-28-2006, 04:30 PM
wasn`t sure if this thread was fiinished or not, so i thought i`d post anyway, i`d soon know....my first time posting here and i decided to go for Rembrandt as he`s one of my favourite master painters.
here`s my start, i hope this is the right thing to post.....

http://www.fluidimage.co.uk/images/ofdwmastercopy_rembrandt1.jpg

as you see don`t usually start with a sketch just get painting in some blocks of colour and start refining.....
i was wondering what peoples opinion was on painting in the background, do you usually do that first or last?

krispee

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 04:38 PM
Enrique,

WOW! That looks awesome! :thumbsup: Inspiring stuff again, and I can't wait to see this finished! :bounce:

Queensoul,

Good grief, you are doing a number on this one! Keep up the amazing work! :thumbsup:

Glenn,

Thank you for the comments! :)

krispee,

Welcome aboard! :) We are at the end of the first week of what is a 4 week Workshop. So there is plenty of time left here for everyone to post. :) It's great to see your start, and there's really no 'right' approach ~ however, I think it's usually easiest to fill in the background first with a dark color as this kills the white ~ something that even traditional artists like to do immediately, and then work from dark to light. Looking forward to your progress! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 04:48 PM
Rebeccak.
Thanks a lot, glad it was understable, this is a method that almost nobody plays, because almost all, work with the color inmediatly, but I think that as everything it depends how u are more confortable, the most of the times, before begging my paint in oils or PS, i make a color scheme with prismacolors or watercolors, that way when I have my vlaues I paint refered with that scheme.

Queensoul.
Thanks a lot, yours is going great too, I like very much the texture on the cloth and the wall, as I know, the model of that paint was Rembrandt's son Titus, once I went to a Rembrandt's exposition here in Mexico, and I saw that Paint, it was wonderful, I think it will be the next I try.

Glenn.
Thanks a lot man, when I start to paint in PS, I didnt have a teacher or something like that, (I dont know about the other countries but in all Mexico, that I know, there is no body that teach digital painting, I have a project to open a school, with a good friend of mine) my only experience with the paint was in traditional so i tried to translate it to the digital media, and tried to get it complete with my PS knowledge as designer, thanks again, hope the demo was usefull.

krispee.
It looks very good, I always do one layer for the background and other for the foreground, that way the order dont matters, hope it was usefull, looking forward to see your updates.

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 05:00 PM
Offtopic.
Im working on a project for the Pirates of the Caribbean, they want a 3d model of a pirate shipp but I have no references and I look into google and they are too small to see anything, I was wondering if somebody have some references of a Pirate shipp that could e mail me, thanks.

Ego
04-28-2006, 05:39 PM
Offtopic.
Im working on a project for the Pirates of the Caribbean, they want a 3d model of a pirate shipp but I have no references and I look into google and they are too small to see anything, I was wondering if somebody have some references of a Pirate shipp that could e mail me, thanks.
You can get some ships from this site. To get the big images, register for free.
http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=search&txt=ship&w=1&x=27&y=12

Rebeccak
04-28-2006, 05:40 PM
Enrique,

You might try www.imageafter.com (http://www.imageafter.com). Lots of hi~res images and textures. :)

I ran an image search for ships:

http://www.imageafter.com/search.php?offset=0&search=ships

There is a ship in Baltimore Harbor that looks like a pirate ship, the USS Constellation:

Link to Google search (http://images.google.com/images?q=%22USS+Constellation%22&btnG=Search&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=)

1 (http://www.dreamstime.com/thumb_36/1135783681199A3K.jpg)

2 (http://laeren.zoggins.net/pers/galleries/pics/baltimore2004/uss%20constellation.jpg)

Our own Lemog has a great free Maya texture reference site:

http://lemog.free.fr/lemog_v5/index.php

Scroll to the bottom for textures. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 05:44 PM
Thanks Queensoul and becca, will try both, thanks again, u save my life. :)

Iridyse
04-28-2006, 05:44 PM
In a hurry here, here's my update. I haven't had a chance to look at the other paintings :-/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem7.jpg

Zephyri
04-28-2006, 08:29 PM
hi Enrique... did a quickie search for tall ships, and cook's ship.. this site might be of interest, lots of close ups of an actuall wooden model, at fairly decent res: http://www.yachtsdownunder.com/hms_endeavour.htm

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 09:32 PM
Awesome thanks Zephyri, Im very thankful, did I say you thanks, already? :)

krispee
04-28-2006, 10:46 PM
ok, blocked in the background mostly here, little work on the face...


http://www.fluidimage.co.uk/images/ofdwmastercopy_rembrandt2.jpg

kris

DigitalSol
04-28-2006, 11:02 PM
Looking good krispee, I just change a little bit the colors to other more saturated, and give it more deep shadows, thats all, good work overall

audit
04-28-2006, 11:32 PM
Interesting discussions recently...Rebecca, I enjoyed your little thesis on the subject! Very well put. Personally I am one of those who discovered painting and computers at the same time, so my problem is rather the opposite: to train myself in traditional approaches after learning the photoshop tricks. it's a challenge...

ah, hiiri - wow! :D
digitalsol - yours is really looking good, too. :) I have attached the brush I'm using for these sketches, Goro's Structure3, to this post as a .zip file...enjoy!

Sooo, I tackled the toughie today. I'm not attempting those ruffles just yet though! An hour's blocking and value:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem31a.jpg

I'm going to work on this, the original is too exquisite not to. Please give me some c&c about value, colour and composition/anatomy before I get too stuck in! (ps I know the hands are atrocious.)

cheers, (you've got me doing it now Rebecca...)

-audit

DigitalSol
04-29-2006, 12:35 AM
Audit:
Thank you so much, yours is looking good, good color scheme :thumbsup:

This is my final image for Mr. Johannes Wtenbogaert, hope u like it, I will try another in Painter, thanks for the feedback on this.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/final.jpg

Rebeccak
04-29-2006, 12:49 AM
audit,

Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you liked my little speech. :D ;) Hehe, I appreciate a good question, and it's definitely a good one to talk about...but I don't want this thread to turn into a debate thread, that's for a different forum. :)

Here is a little review of your piece so far, to be taken for what it's worth:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/audit_review-01.jpg

I think the key to the composition is the monumentality of the pose ~ the A frame is sort of classic, and in Rembrandt's portrait, it is on full display. The A sort of suggests stability and power, I suppose, sort of like a mountain. I would really ratchet that up in your piece, and make the base of the 'A' wider.

EDIT: LOL about the 'cheers' thang :D ~ once you start, you can't stop! :D

Enrique,

Beautiful work ~ either tonight or tomorrow I'll post some in depth comments. Without comparing it to the original, it looks great. A quick comment might be that I think the colors of the book might be a bit richer / more yellowish. But I haven't yet compared yours to the original. One thing I notice is that the upper hand looks a little flat ~ you might try to enhance it's shading to make it a bit more volumetric. :) I also think that the pages of the book in the original are really expressive ~ they seem almost to be alive, like wings or a pair of gesturing hands. You might try to bring a bit more of that into the pages in your painting. :) You might extend the bottom of the painting and make the 'A' shape wider and heavier at the base, similar to what I've suggested for audit's piece ~ really the guy is like a rock or mountain, very imposing, with a massive black triangle leading up to and culminating with his face.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
04-29-2006, 05:01 AM
Glenn,

Here is a little demo of what Blending Modes look like in Photoshop:

You can toggle through all of the different preset Blending Modes in the Layers Pallette in PS ~ each different blending mode affects how one layer blends with the one beneath it, as demonstrated below:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Blending-Modes.gif

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

RedSquirrel
04-29-2006, 10:48 AM
Wow, its been a few days since I had a look through this thread, so much has has been added

DigitalSol: outstanding work! :applause:

Queensoul: excellent, the way the image developed over time it just kept getting better and better.

Zephyri: a stunning update I'm very impressed with it.

SpiritDreamer: great rough start, I really like that brush strokes.

Hiiri: amazing!

Rebeccak: Thanks for showing us how you work, and with all those layers, wow.

DigitalSol
04-29-2006, 03:06 PM
I fixed up a little bit, I worked more the upper hand, the book pages, and did the "A" excercise, hope u like it.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/Johannes-Wtenbogaert.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/a.jpg

Corvax
04-29-2006, 03:20 PM
Digital Sol: it is turning out really nice, an excellent render it is :thumbsup: :applause: .. only critic would be that his left hand looks a little flat.. - maybe you've just painted the bounced light a little too strong giving it kinda an outlined effect.:shrug:

--David René.

DigitalSol
04-29-2006, 06:41 PM
Corvax:
Thanks a lot I made some adjustments, hope they like u.

Im working in the next Rembrandt's copy, this is the lineart that Im going to use, Im using a grid, in the copies for aproach all I can to the original

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/captura2.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%20Master%20Copy/lineart-otra.jpg

Rebeccak
04-29-2006, 06:47 PM
Hi Enrique,

Thanks for posting your WIP. :) I'm excited to see the start of your next painting! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

krispee
04-29-2006, 07:39 PM
digitalsol: cheers for looking and thanks for the advice, have been darkening those areas and refining the face.....
rebeccak: thanks for making me feel welcome....

http://www.fluidimage.co.uk/images/ofdwmastercopy_rembrandt3.jpg

kris

Rebeccak
04-29-2006, 09:22 PM
kris,

You're welcome! :) It looks like you're progressing really nicely on this piece ~ my main suggestion would be to really notice how warm the lighter areas of the skin are ~ in grayscale mode, you would see that these 'light' areas on the face in particular really fall somewhere in the mid~gray range. The key I think is to have the colors warm and rich and not too light in terms of their value.

Looking forward to seeing your next update! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

ricma
04-29-2006, 10:25 PM
Hello everybody,
this is my first time participating in s drawing workshop. Your paintings are awesome!!! I have just recently started drawing and this is my humble contribution to this amazing workshop.
It is plain paper/pencil, but I intend to paint it further in PS as soon as I establish some more detail (face, wrinkles, improve proportions of the book, hand etc)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6503/rembrandt14my.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rembrandt14my.jpg)

:D

Rebeccak
04-29-2006, 10:36 PM
ricma,

Great to see you joining in! :thumbsup: This is definitely the next logical step after your really cool skull drawing (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3499708&postcount=2), and I look forward to seeing how this progresses! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-29-2006, 11:42 PM
Krispee.
The face is lookin great, the deep shadows are working really good, keep on going.

Ricma.
You are very humble, the skull paint u did is outstanding, and the Rembrandt's draw is pretty good, that will be a great paint.

Here is my update, I were painting it in painter, but I couldn't get a good reasult so I get back to Ps, but Im trying with chalk brushes hope u like it

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%202/rembrandt01.jpg

Mu
04-30-2006, 12:05 AM
Argh, so many things to refer to and talk about, please know everyone that this has been an amazing read (I just today looked into this thread for the first time).

Rebecca - I really liked your little essay on tools and techniques and cheating

Maladie - your progress is frightening. You will be so good in no time.
*skin takes on green shade*

Queensoul - all the oil colour eating must have done you good. Spectacular progress.

Glenn - I found it funny somehow how everyone was flabbergasted at your beautiful and natural looking oil brush strokes and decided to give painter a try. The first one came back to Photoshop, beaten by Painter's brush settings...:scream: (which I can understand, struggling with the same things right now) - anyway, this just shows that you know your stuff. Great painting.

keep it up, everyone!

ricma
04-30-2006, 12:25 AM
DigitalSol,
thanks a lot :) The problem is I haven`t got a clue about painting in PS, so far I`ve only managed to paint a layer in a specifoc color and change its mode from normal to something else, and make a huge stack of them...click a few times with airbrush here and there :arteest:

Your work is amazing by the way!!!

Rebeccak
04-30-2006, 12:37 AM
ricma,

I know you've seen the Anatomy Review 003 as evidenced by your lovely skull piece, but you might consider revisiting this recently compiled thread, which should, I think, help to get you started on working digitally using a limited pallette of three values: black, white, and gray.

TUTORIAL SUMMARY - Anatomy Review 003 Shading Tutorial - Tutorial Material Only (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=351832)

I've taken all of the Tutorial material and compiled it into one thread and closed the thread for posting so that just the tutorial material remains and is easier to browse.

Having said that, you are more than welcome to use a combination of traditional and digital, or to only work traditionally. In fact, working traditionally is really important and shouldn't be overlooked as an important part of one's development as an artist. Feel free to work how you choose. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
04-30-2006, 01:07 AM
Ricma:
Thanks a lot, my recomendation is, paint with large brushes first with the shape dynamics, and other dynamics set in large areas, and then paint with small bruses in small areas, these are my settings

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/pincel.jpg

Thick Heavy Brushes gallery are my favorite Photoshop default brushes, or why not to work traditional a render with chancroal, pencils or prismacolor, sccan it and then colorize it, will wait for ur work

My update:
A close up
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%202/rembrandt03.jpg

I want to keep some little roughe chalkie look, a good friend show me a trick to paint something in PS and then rework it in Paiter for the look, I will try this later, hope u like it.

SpiritDreamer
04-30-2006, 01:22 AM
LOL!! ....MR MU...:scream: .

Just don't forget, that I have seven years of experimenting, and well over a thousend failures
behind me in that PAINTER program, ...and there is still a lot of things in it that I have not
tried, and do not understand...and I am pretty sure that i'm not the only one in that boat.
ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY....it took a lot of life's time....and had a whole lot of failures
along the way...same thing applies with any of these programs I think.
I think that everyone in here is doing a fantastic job, and it is impossible to not get better,
with a lot of effort, practice, and of course failure's along the way.
Nice to see you back in action....MR MU....SO ..WHERE IS THAT FIRST PAINTING DONE
WITH YOUR BRAND NEW PAINTER# 9....TOY.....THROW THE INSTRUCTIONS AWAY, AND
JUST PAINT...:eek: :scream: :)


Hi....Enrique.....Really like that chalk effect....worked really nice in Zephyri's painting also.
GREAT JOB so far by the way...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

aggie93
04-30-2006, 02:11 AM
:blush: Alright guys, I am a little scared to show my face now, but I felt I should. Rebecca, I know that even in digital art you need the artistic ability to put something down on the virtual canvas. I understand the putting down of layers to build a painting. I know that the old masters did this as well. What I didn't understand was it looked like a click of the mouse to get from a monochromatic painting to a beautifully color rendering. This was my own stupidity of not knowing how the software does this. I see brushes, tubes of varying colors of paint, thinner, etc. when I am painting. This is all but missing inthe digital world.

:wip: I deserved that wipping for bringing up such a topic in a soley digital forum and expected it, right Spirit. Rebecca, I know you are a expert in art and understand all avenues of creating and discussing it. :bowdown: I hope you and all the digital artist will forgive my ignorance and allow me to stay and watch the experts at work here.

ricma
04-30-2006, 02:25 AM
Oh, guys, one more question...
Do all of you paint with a stylus?

Did I forget to say I don`t have one? :banghead: So is it good idea for a beginner like me to paint with a mouse only?:arteest::curious::hmm:

Rebeccak
04-30-2006, 02:26 AM
aggie, :)

LOL, forums are nothing if not for the exchange of ideas and work / WIP. ;) I think your question gave me a good opportunity to sort of put into words some of the random gibberish that floats around in my mind from time to time ~ your question was a really good one, and definitely worth addressing! :) From my point of view (which is not an 'expert' point of view, by the way) digital art has advantages and disadvantages, just as does traditional art. I've personally struggled to connect emotionally with the process of creating digital art ~ I admit to 'feeling' a lot more when I draw and paint traditionally than I do when painting digitally. But I'm also very interested in digital painting and artists that I encounter here on the forums are really pushing me to try to improve. Frankly, prior to joining CGTalk I wasn't aware of the extent to which digital art ~ 2D or 3D ~ could be taken. So it's a huge learning curve for me as much as for anyone else, and I think about the same questions as you do. So there's no need to hide, aggs, you're always welcome for participation of any kind! Frankly, I still consider myself more of a traditional than a digital artist. The road can sometimes be slow going, but the forum has definitely made the transition a lot more fun. :)

EDIT:

ricma,

It's really tough to paint with a mouse. I would definitely advise against it. I would recommend working traditionally until you can get a Wacom tablet or other stylus. There are lots of threads on CGTalk about tablets, I would just run a search, and you will find many threads devoted to the subject. :) But painting with a mouse is dangerous ergonomically as you can get nerve damage to your hand, wrist, and arm called carpal tunnel syndrome. So I would definitely advise against it.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

krispee
04-30-2006, 07:49 AM
rebecca: thanks, good point, i`ll try and push the warmer colours a bit.....lots of work to do yet....and sorry about my images being lost, my site host seems to have gone down so my site has gone down as well, hope that`s fixed soon....gulp!

enrique: cheers for your kindness, your work is fabulous by the way.....and i`m interested in your PS brushes, i see a shot of them, didn`t know you could use them like that, or have those brushes....i`m still a newbie really in digital painting.....

kris

Art2
04-30-2006, 11:21 AM
Great work and progress everyone, I really enjoy seeing everybody's wips!
DigitalSol, you've already started your second painting? :thumbsup:

I've started to sketch in Artrage2.
Here's the workspace:
http://www.marlonart.nl/pics/Artrage_workspace.jpg

The sketch:
http://www.marlonart.nl/web/Remb01.jpg

I'll be doing the painting in PainterIX.

Keep up the good work everyone!

ricma
04-30-2006, 12:38 PM
DigitalSol, I am going to work in plain pencil, and see what I can come up with it :shrug:

Art2, oh, wow, this looks niiicee!! Sport elegance - nike, my favorite! :)

Rebeccak
04-30-2006, 02:07 PM
krispee,

No worries! :)

Marlon!

It's so great to see you here! :) That's a beautiful sketch, and I'm really excited to see what you will do with it. :thumbsup:

OMG...I just realized he is wearing a Nike logo...a supremely Marlon touch! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu
04-30-2006, 02:31 PM
Art2 - wow, how accurate you translated the contour! And the logo is just...:scream:

aggie - hope you don't mind my saying this, but: don't be silly! You don't apologize for asking questions! I enjoyed the the read along with the answer.

DigitalSol
04-30-2006, 02:56 PM
Glenn.
Thanks for looking, The chalk brushes are a little hard to control for me, in the last paintings I was painting with the grid on, to get all the close I can to the orginal, but my brushe were more stable than this,yeah, Zephyri's painting is awesome, with a such beautiful technique. :)

krispee
Aw Thanks, I recomend that you experiment with the default galleries, some of them are great, here are the brushes Im using by the way, some of them are modification of existent brushes others are mine, try them with the smudge tool too, glad to be helpful.

Art2.
Beautiful lineart start, good to see im not the only one that start with linework, really looking for your next update.

Ricma.
Will wait to see your work:), BTW Neville Page haves a DVD here http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/npa02.html explaining how to colorize a traditional B/W render, in PS, basicly, he uses brushes with differents blending modes such colorize, multiply and softlight, good luck on your paint.

Art2
04-30-2006, 03:00 PM
Sport elegance - nike, my favorite! :)

OMG...I just realized he is wearing a Nike logo...a supremely Marlon touch! :scream:

And the logo is just...:scream:

Glad you guys like the sketch, here's hoping the final painting will be acceptable too.
I can't wait to get started!

DigSol, yeah, I wanted to make sure the proportions, elements, comp etc were correct.
And Artrage has this handy ref pic feature.

Heheh... I wanted to give him a Kangol logo or some other Hip (Hop) logo, but I couldn't remember how they look like, LOL... So, I chose Nike :shrug:
Don't worry, it won't show in the final painting :D

Rebeccak
04-30-2006, 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by Marlon the Misquoter:
Originally Posted by CGtalkerz
Sport elegance - nike, my favorite! :)

And the logo is just...:scream:

Hey, what the...I never said that! :scream:

Marlon, I want to see you bring it. :) :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rk

Art2
04-30-2006, 03:07 PM
Hey, what the...I never said that! :scream:


Hey, I quoted some "CGtalkerz"... (Mu, you and ricma)
I know you are Miss CGtalk.
I understand your misunderstanding :P

Haha, I don't dare to include any kind of logo in the final :D

Rebeccak
04-30-2006, 03:09 PM
Ah...carry on. :blush: :D

krispee
04-30-2006, 04:44 PM
art2: very nice sketch to start, look forward to seing your painter work....

enrique: thanks for the brushes, downloaded, i`ll check them out soon.....

rebecca: i`ve done some more work on the face, brushed over it all with a large opaque brush using a golden colour to blur everything and then blocked everything back in using warmer colours i think.....

http://www.fluidimage.co.uk/images/ofdwmastercopy_rembrandt4.jpg

maybe it`s too painterly.....i`ve always regarded Rembrandt as being a more painterly painter myself....
kris

Rebeccak
04-30-2006, 04:54 PM
krispee,

Nice progress on this so far! You're building things carefully, and that's good to see. :) There's a saying in traditional painting which you may know, which is to paint 'fat on lean' ~ in other words, to build your paint up slowly, and not adding really bravura style strokes til the end and all the color / value relationships are worked out. :)

I still think you can go darker with your tones ~ here's a comparision of your version and the original, for the purpose of showing how deep and rich Rembrandt's color choices are:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/krispee_01.jpg

and just as another way of looking at things, I've blurred the same comparison:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/krispee_02.jpg

Painting the background a darker hue will also help to bring out the saturated richness of the face. Also notice that Rembrandt has gone with a complementary color scheme in terms of the background color and the flesh tones ~ the background is a desaturated green and the flesh tones more in the red range, with lighter pinks being tints of the hue red.

You may not need it, but here (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2926349&postcount=3) is a link to a post that describes color terms in a bit of depth.

Hope this helps! Keep up the great work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ego
04-30-2006, 04:59 PM
jolly good show guys!

Hey Marlon welcome buddy. The sketch is looking real nice :) Bring it on :)

Art2
04-30-2006, 05:15 PM
krispee,
I quickly made a copy on top of your original and I've set the layer blending mode on 70% softlight. Try experimenting with this in Photoshop (or Painter), flatten and save the image when satisfied and you can continue your work in Painter using the adjusted color palette.
http://www.marlonart.nl/web/krispee_02.jpg
hope this helps.
Hey, my lovely Queen! Hugs! :bounce:

krispee
04-30-2006, 05:25 PM
enrique: right, those brushes, downloaded but not sure where they go in photoshop.....

rebecca: ok, the link is a help, thankyou.....i see that i`m still light in value so i`ll have another go, another possibility is that because i use the brushes quite opaque(usually around 30% and up to 50%) i wouldn`t obtain the right saturation unless i pressed hard on tablet for quite a few strokes.....i have heard of fat over lean...

art2: thankyou for your help, i won`t use the paintover, hope you aren`t offended but i won`t learn anything if i use that, i`ll need to do it for myself.....cheers

kris

Art2
04-30-2006, 05:58 PM
kris, no problem buddy, happy painting!
You're definately on the right track, so keep it up.

Rebeccak
05-01-2006, 12:44 AM
Just a little more work on this...this may be where I end up stopping on this one. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/Rembrandt-Copy_post-16.jpg

audit
05-01-2006, 01:49 AM
hi guys...

Rembrandt...i am in awe...


Rebecca - I like how yours is looking. As for stopping...your choice, but I'd love to see what your next step would be.
Art2 - Nike...lol. But very good sketch. Should give you a great start to your painting.
SpiritDreamer - lovely start...
(..where is Hiiri..? want to see that finished!)

---

I worked on the face tonight...it took so long to get anywhere near a resemblance. Also been juggling the composition to get the correct A-frame, as Rebecca suggested. More accurate now - still not satisfied, but since its 3am I have to stop, or I will die from square-eyes.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem32.jpg

100%:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/86audit19/cgforums/Figures/Rem32100.jpg

more c&c would be helpful.

-a

Art2
05-01-2006, 07:23 AM
audit, I'd say that face is pretty spot on :thumbsup:

Iridyse
05-01-2006, 08:28 AM
Aw man, I just can't seem to paint lately. I think it's the exams. Gah.
Another update, this might or might not be the final. One can never know, hehehe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem8.jpg

Audit, that face is looking lovely! Almost like an oil painting. Have fun with the frills *giggles*

Rebecca: I think you've really captured the mood of the image, his expression and the softness of the colours go so well together.

krispee: Good work so far. I like your swatch :D A tip, keep flipping the image horizontally, it helps to paint more accurately.

DigitalSol: one more! Yay!

Art2 : Nice drawing! I can't stop laughing about the Nike logo, hehe.

krispee
05-01-2006, 10:19 AM
rebecca: nice work on your study, you have a very smooth style....

hiiri: cheers, i`ll keep the flip in mind, good tip.....nice work on yours, especially like the face....and the ruffles are fantastic.....

audit: i like the face too, look forward to seeing the finish....

http://www.fluidimage.co.uk/images/ofdwmastercopy_rembrandt5.jpg

do the colours look a bit more saturated to you guys? anyway, worked on the hat and background a little more and the book in his hand as well....actually i`m running out of room, have to watch my composition in the future.....

kris

ceresz
05-01-2006, 11:22 AM
Okay, here is my start on a rembrandt copy:
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/1641/rembrandtcopycopycopy0ui.th.jpg (http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rembrandtcopycopycopy0ui.jpg)
~Ceresz

ricma
05-01-2006, 12:42 PM
Hi guys,
Here is what I have done so far...It is paper/pencil and a bit of clicks in PS. It is most likely going to stay a drawing since I don`t have a wacom, but I like experimenting in PS, so who knows...

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/5721/rembrandt20hv.jpg

I devided the drawing in quadsin order to match the drawing with the painting as much as possible...

Aedilhum
05-01-2006, 06:30 PM
Hey,
Things are looking great! Lot of progress on all your paintings since I was last here! Can't wait to see them all finished.
Can't comment on all of them but I'll make a few.

hiiri. final or not it looks great.

Enrique. nice to see this finished. great details.

Zephyri. Looks fantastic! well done.

3 weeks left right? hmmm. I may be able to start on another...
Cheers.

Maladie
05-01-2006, 11:38 PM
Hey everyone!

It took me a lot longer than I thought to get back here. I don't know if other countries have something similar, but here in Holland we have 'Queens Day' (Koninginnedag) when it's her birthday. It comes with a great big party on the night before and national fleamarkets that last 24 hours. So...I did a bit more partying than expected:).

Still working slowly anyways. For me this is about imitating Rembrandts way of using flecks of colours, building everything up, sort of sloppily going over and over the shapes. I totally love it, I can't explain but it just makes me go all happy and exhilirated:). I'm proud that he's from Holland (even though he's dead:)).

hiiri: What are you on about?! Saying you can't paint lately and turning up with a perfect copy! I really don't understand you're so deceived about your abilities...they make me envious allright!

Digital soul: Great work as usual. What can I say?

audit: great loose style. I love it!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/rava1981/Rembrandt/closeup1.jpg

DigitalSol
05-02-2006, 02:35 AM
Krispee.
You should copy them and then paste it at, Program files_Adobe Photoshop_Presets_Brushes, or at the brushes palette click the arrow at the upper right corner and choose load brushes and select the file, that will work.

Rebeccak.
I like your version very much, the tones are lovely warm, great work overall.

Audit.
Great update, I like that loose style in your work, I tried to do something similar, but Im still not good enough by controlling the scattered brushes, looking really good.

hirii.
Awesome work there, yours is the more close to the original, IMHO, great work, I hope u consider do other paint, i enjoy your work.

Ceresz.
Stunning start there.

Ricma.
Looking good, I just would add some more contrast, lovely start.

Aedilhum.
Thanks so much man :).

Maladie.
Thank you very much, glad it likes you, I love your paint, looking really great.

Well here is my final image for this, I tried to do something less exact, and tried with scattered brushes, this image was done really fast in comparison to the others, since I use a grid for the lineart, but not for the painting, hope u like it, I think will try another with more details, thanks to all, critics & comments are most welcome.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%202/rembrandt04.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/Rembrandt%202/rembrandt05.jpg

ricma
05-02-2006, 03:29 AM
DigitalSol, thanks. It seems the more I work on my drawing, the worse it looks... I am going to finish it though, no matter how lousy it turns out, but...I guess this is not just my cup of tea, yet! Or it was just a copule of awkward days for me :banghead:

I think you did a great job, especially in a short time.I`ve seen some of your other work here at cgtalk....jaw dropping pieces!!! :scream:

I`ve taken a look at that DVD on painting in PS you told me about, seems like a very good one! Thanks.

Take care!

daWinky
05-02-2006, 07:24 AM
Morning everyone!

Hey, I'm just back from a little holiday trip and wanted to look if the new OFDW is already online...and now I see that you crazy people have already finished the first pieces:D ...I'm too late again:banghead: , so only here for some cheering business!
I'm amazed to see a lot of entries and you've all done a fantastic job, really:thumbsup: ! I hope to find the time to read through all the pages this evening, don't want to miss anything here!

Have all a nice day!:wavey:

-sabrina

Ego
05-02-2006, 07:30 AM
Maladie its looking really good.

Enrique, awwwww. Great job there. Be sure not to make it too smooth.
Marlon :scream: Comeon buddy, update update :)
DaWinky its not too late. I am starting on my second piece today and there's still 3 weeks to go. * I think.

*waves at krispee: Good to see some members of A and A here.

Cyanid
05-02-2006, 10:01 AM
wow this thread is so fast!

digitalsol: your first one turned out awesome!
hiiri: so nice, inspiring stuff, nice colors.

Cyanid
05-02-2006, 02:22 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/hand1.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/hand2.jpg

DigitalSol
05-02-2006, 02:56 PM
Ricma.
Thank you so much, glad my pieces liked you, I hadn't the enough time for set my work and upload it, I hope to update my portfolio with my pieces before CG talk soon.

Queensoul.
Thanks a lot, will try to do something less smooth on the next one, it seems is a subconscient fixation of mine. :eek:

daWinky.
Hope you join there are 3 weeks still to go.

Cyanid.
Aw, thanks a lot for your words, yours is turning amazing.

Here is a little update I did this quick sketch in a common notebook, as a study but it liked me as for keep as lineart, hope u can give me some feedback, thanks.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/rembrandt3/TITUS.jpg

Rebeccak
05-02-2006, 06:15 PM
Hey everyone,

Great to see everyone doing such a great job! Will post some comments later. Sabrina, it's great to see you back here, and there are 3 weeks left, plenty of time to hop in! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Zephyri
05-02-2006, 07:11 PM
More awesome work here..

hiiri Great piece as is, I'd be curious to see what else you do with it, should you continue.
Krispee looking good, though just a quick fiddle with your levels would really help pull the the whole thing together, making that dark much darker will make the figure pop.
ceresz Great! soemone else chose to tackle that one... I was beginning to feel lonely! Nice start!
DigitalSol To say that's a quick piece, it's turned out really well.. i like the orangey highlight on the eye in shadow. And love the pencil sketch for the next one. You're on a roll!

And another update from me. Not a huge difference from last time on first glance, but the devil, as they say, is in the detail. And I'm a stickler for detail. Though I think I'm done with the figure now, just the background to sort, and then I'm done!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/rembrandt4.jpg

And some closeups:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/remmycloseups.jpg

krispee
05-02-2006, 09:16 PM
queensoul: nice to see you here and there lol.....

enrique: thanks i`ll try that.....

Zephyri: dude, that is a serious piece of artwork, very nice indeed...love the highlights....and i get you on the shadows and greater contrasts.....i`ll have a fiddle with mine near the end.....

kris

ThreedyModeler
05-02-2006, 09:25 PM
Wow... everyone is doing incredible work in here!

Here's another hour on mine....

http://www.malomations.com/taber/cgtalk/ofdw16/OFDW16_02.jpg

Gah... I think I need to adjust my gamma settings again... this looks a lot darker than it does in PS...

SpiritDreamer
05-02-2006, 10:21 PM
Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Refining colors and facial features etc. Sticking as close to the traditional method of painting on this one as I can and a computer allows for. Manually eye-balling and picking colors, thick oil brushes etc. Just plain old fashioned direct-painting method. Figure this will be the only method enabling me to get something even similar to the original.
Long ways to go yet!
Take Care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/REMBRANDT_30.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/REMBRANDT_Close_30.jpg

Gomez
05-03-2006, 12:56 AM
Hi, this is my first post ever in this forum, or any other related to CG. Let me present myself...I am from Brazil, and an architect, and i work with architectural visualization for about 10 years. I got a wacom (A4 intuos 3) some months ago and begin to learn painting in the computer....i draw since i can remember, but i never had studied it seriously. I am just loving all the new horizons that are opening for my creativity with digital painting....i love photography too and is my second passion...

I would like to congratulate Rebeccak for the wonderful work with these figurative art foruns..they are simply amazing...you, and all the people that help and support this forum, have all my admiration.

ok....

here is my try at this Rembrant copy....i would love to know what are my faults in this picture...it is a work in progresss...

First stages...took me about 2hs to complete.

http://www.aep3d.com.br/daniel/Post/Remb_progress.jpg

I am at this point now..fixing proportions, colors and adding details....Still WIP.

http://www.aep3d.com.br/daniel/Post/Remb7_post.jpg



100% crop...

http://www.aep3d.com.br/daniel/Post/Remb7_post_det.jpg


i would love to know your opinion....

Congratulations to all of you for the great work.

Daniel.

Iridyse
05-03-2006, 08:18 AM
Krispee: Looking much better. Great going!

Cerez : Nice start!

ricma : Are you going to stipple that? wow.

Aedilhum: thank you :)

Maladie: Haha, I didn't mean to be fishing for compliments or anything. It;s just that I'm suddenly all out of ideas and inspiration. Artist's block and all that. Your image is looking very nice so far. I like the subtle textures on the nose.

DigitalSol: You're going really fast, and great stuff so far. My only crit would be that the shadow side of the face is looking a bit flat right now, but I know you'll work on that ;)
And thank you :) I'm totally and completely free from all college-related work starting tomorrow (yay for vacations) and I'm hoping to do another one.
I just scrolled down and there's one more drawing! You're going to do all 4, aren't you? :thumbsup:

daWinky: There's lots of time, join in! :D

Cyanid : Thank you :)

Zephyri : I'm completely and utterly at loss for words. I looked at the full image and thought "wow, that's really really good " and then I saw the close ups and you have all these subtle amazing textures there!And it all falls together so well, the tones, colours, textures- it's better than perfect. I have so much to learn about textures, you must do a tutorial or something (pretty please?)
As for me, I think I've just painted my copy like I usually do, I haven't played with textures a lot and I think I need to work on that part now.

ThreedyModeler: I like how it looks. The darks are strong, but they look good.

SpiritDreamer: Beautiful image! The brushwork is yummy!

ricma
05-03-2006, 10:32 AM
wow, those pictures are amazing guys!!:scream:

hiiri, well, I guess I`d stipple it entirely, I`m not very excited about it actually, but It`s a good exercise anyway.
Here is a scanned drawing:

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2426/rembrandt39xd.jpg

I still do not dare to start drawing his face...:) I was a bit lazy past few days:shrug:

DigitalSol
05-03-2006, 04:33 PM
Zephyri.
What can I say?, it is an awesome paint, its hard to say wich is the original and the copy, congratulation everything is perfect. :applause:

ThreedyModeler,
That piece is looking really good, much yours, I would only enlight the face, great work overall

Glenn.
Looking really great, I like that oily texture, really, great color use, as usual. :thumbsup:

Hey Gomez, welcome on board, it seems u have been fixing the face a little bit, I just recomend that check the proportion of the pic, it looks a little bit widhter that the original, maybe if use a grid just for check the proportion, but about the rest is fantastic, I like the color use and the textures, keep on going you are doing a great work. :thumbsup:

Hiiri.
Thanks a lot, I will do all 4, the next will be Titus, i have planned this as a quick paint too, and the last one will be Jeremia, in that I will spend the rest of the time, will really wait for your work :bounce:

Ricma.
your draw is looking good, but if were you better try something enterly traditional, for me the mouse is very unconfortable, but overall a great work.

Here is mine, I just a moment begging 5 minutes sketch hope u like it, you know that critics and coments are welcome, thanks.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/rembrandt3/sketch1.jpg

krispee
05-03-2006, 04:41 PM
enrique: nice start on that, i need to go back and take another look at the refs, forgot already lol

ricma: looking really nice, you`ve got the head shape right on......look forward to the facial detail....

hiiri: cheers, better get some more done, getting lazy!

gomez: like it, nice painterly feel yet you`ve got some detail as well, want to see the hands, and watch the eyes, they look a little close together....

spiritdreamer: love the work, you`re using a really painterly brush in Painter, really gives the strokes some depth.....look forward to the finish....

good work everyone.....
kris

Rebeccak
05-03-2006, 04:53 PM
Zephyri,

WOW! You're really nailing this one. :) I'm especially enjoying the metal pieces which you are painting ~ spectacular work there!

ThreedyModeler,

Nice value structure so far! I am really liking the dark tones of the piece...it has a silver print / photographic quality to it which is really cool. :)

Glenn,

I think this is coming along great, it is one of my favorite pieces by you! Keep going, this should be a really great one. :)

Gomez,

Welcome aboard! It's great to have you here, and you are making some really nice progress! :) Keep pushing your modeling using lights and darks, and continually reevaluating things in terms of form. Keep up the good work! ;)

ricma,

Let's see some facial features! :) :thumbsup:

Enrique,

Wow, you are really plowing through these! :) I would say to slow down a little bit and to try to go for quality more than quantity. Your pieces are really turning out beautifully, don't water them down! :)

Great work here guys!! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
05-03-2006, 07:08 PM
Did a little work on the face.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/rembrandt3/titus-sketch2.jpg

Rebeccak
05-03-2006, 09:32 PM
Enrique,

Wow, a very ghostly pallor so far ~ I really like that. :) Looking forward to seeing your refinements of the face. :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

krispee
05-03-2006, 09:46 PM
http://www.fluidimage.co.uk/images/ofdwmastercopy_rembrandt6.jpg

ok, finished this now, could still work on it more, not very happy with the face, not quite right in some areas, like the eyes....and my shadows could still be darker as well....but i`ve learnt quite a bit from doing it.....
also like to thank everyone for their help.....

enrique: very chilling kind of look on the face there and it will be interesting where you go with this....very impressionistic as well, will you leave it roughly painted in some places or finish it all off?
also tried to load the brushes but it told me that it wasn`t compatible with my version...i have v6 of PS.

rebecca: thanks for letting me take part in your forum....will be back for more....

kris

Rebeccak
05-03-2006, 10:13 PM
kris,

It's been great to have your participation, and I hope you'll stick around to comment on others' pieces as well! :) Also, it will be great to have you back for more OFDWs, in addition to which, you are free to create your own Anatomy Thread if you wish. :)

I think you've really captured the essence of the expression really well. :) One suggestion in general is that the face would be set off more if the background on the viewer's left were darkened in value quite a lot. If you squint your eyes at the original, you can see that there is a tremendous difference between the darker, desaturated background, and the lighter, more saturated gold whites of the turban. Also the background carries a bit of a greenish tint and is not totally black.

Overall you've done a great job here, and I hope to see you back for more OFDWs! :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/OFDW%20016/krispee_final.jpg

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

DigitalSol
05-03-2006, 10:17 PM
rebecca:
Hahaha,Yeah it looks a bit like a gosth :scream:, thanks for check my work.:)

Krispee.
:applause: Very well done kris, I like it very much, maybe Im not the indicated person to tell u this, but perhaps you could add some texture to the paint, if u add a new layer in painter, and check the box, pick underlaying color at the layer palette, and paint with a brush withouth resat you can add the brush texture without add paint, maybe u could try that. over all great work, congrats.

I will make refinements later I like that rought look on the paint, but I want some detail level, thanks for look at my work.

Unfortunly, PS6 dont have all the dynamics that PS CS2 owns, and the brushes wont work on it, sorry, but I think i dont needed too much after see your work, see ya.

Gomez
05-04-2006, 02:13 AM
This is my progress after 5h...I see that there are things to fix...and some proportions that are incorrect...i like the result, because it was my first try at copy a paint. I am having difficults trying to find the right proportios...i didn´t used any paintover or color picker in the original picture...What are your methods to draw the right proportions ? i followed some advices here, but i think i am still having problems with proportions.

I learned some things on this.....

1. It is best to make a line drawing on the begning, and define the proportions on this step of the work.

2. It is amazing how many different tones and hues whe can find on a skin...

3. The use of negative space is very important...and well used in this composition...

4. Hands...are difficult to paint. : )

I will stop at this stage, at start another one of the other pictures...

the picture....and details at 100% and a closeup of the eyes at 200%.

http://www.aep3d.com.br/daniel/Post/Remb10_post.jpg

details

http://www.aep3d.com.br/daniel/Post/Remb10_post_det.jpg

again...congrats for everyone...high quality work here.

Daniel

Cyanid
05-04-2006, 08:51 AM
thats very nice daniel!

spiritdreamer: interesting technique! you use painter i suppose?

ricma: nice start, must be a very slow process, all the dotting! now get working on the face!


lost track of time...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/painting6.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/hand3.jpg

SpiritDreamer
05-04-2006, 10:42 AM
Hi....Gomez .......I like your painting VERY MUCH ...glad you chose not to use paint bucket,
and all the other tricks available..on your first copying of a masterpiece....think you would
have only ended up tricking yourself, if you had...and would not have gotten the full benifit
and learning experience that goes with copying a master painter.
I have not looked at the original, but I can say that your painting stands strong on it's own merits....GREAT BRUSH WORK, COLOR, AND SOLID DRAFTMANSHIP ...:thumbsup:
GREAT JOB THERE....l am looking forward to seeing more of your work.:)
The proportion problem can be solved easily at the start, by really checking out the areas of
negitive space ...large and small, that suround the figure


Cyanid
YES, I use painter# 9.....one variable size oil brush
like the mood of your painting very much,...think it can stand more subtle color variations
throughout...will give it more volume and enhance the mood even further


Rebecca....THANK YA ....:)

TAKE CARE
Glenn

DigitalSol
05-04-2006, 03:18 PM
Daniel.
I like your paint, yes, it have some problems with the proportion, but overall is a great work, if u use the negative space as reference it will work well, but if you want to copy it exactly, I recomend that u use a grid for drawing the lineart or the first wash of your paint, it makes easy everything, but you delay more in the start of the paint, is something that I made with the same paint that u did, for being your first copy its a fantastic work, hope to see more of your work around here.

Cyanid.
Fantastic work, :thumbsup:

Here is mine, I did some work in my character, hope u like it.

:wip:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/rembrandt3/TitusVanRijn.jpg

krispee
05-04-2006, 03:54 PM
rebecca: cheers, i got foxed by the background on the left, i`m not sure it even maybe has some sky blue in it, and darker does work better with the turban, also noticed that my turban is a little bit wonky, lol.....a very dark green would work on the right, didn`t see that.....i think i`ll leave the Anatomy Threads to you professionals.....i don`t know where you find the time!

cyanid: i`m a bit confused, where was the ref for your piece?

enrique: coming along, i looked at the ref and the face a very pale isn`t it....good work...
no worries on the PS thing...thanks for trying....

kris

Cyanid
05-04-2006, 04:13 PM
spiritdreamer: thanks
digitalsol: thanks! gl on yours, nice start. face looks odd though.

krispee: it is a paining by caravaggio, st. jerome
http://www.mondomostre.it/images/caravaggio/cat_caravaggio_04.jpg

krispee
05-04-2006, 05:47 PM
cyanid: ah, that explains it then lol, actually you`re coming along very nicely.....

kris

DigitalSol
05-04-2006, 06:07 PM
Here is my update for this one, I like the rought look, but any suggest is well accepted.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/esandovalcastromex/rembrandt3/TitusVanRijn2.jpg
Thanks

Gomez
05-04-2006, 11:04 PM
Hi SpiritDreamer, thanks a lot for your comments on my try...I am starting another one and i will try to do a better work on the proportions....BTW..your work is very good...i just saw your anatomy thread and it is amazing....

Enrique..thanks for the comments...I will really try do to this grid on the next one. You have some easy way to draw this grid ? PS has this kind of tool, or you have to draw it ? Hey your picture seems good, you will add colors on the face ? i saw your tutorial about...i think was a caravaggio copy, and it was really helpful...Thanks again

Daniel

Gomez
05-05-2006, 02:08 AM
Ok...this is my progress on " Titus van Rijn in a Monk's Habit"...

http://www.aep3d.com.br/daniel/Post/Remb_2_progress.jpg

This time i did a line drawing and used a PS grid in the begining to help with proportions.

The original picture has a lot of textures...textures from painter´s style and some textures from time... I really don´t know how to copy or simulate these textures...i am using only a round brush with sharp edges....Does anyone has any clues on how to achieve these textures with PS ?


Daniel

SpiritDreamer
05-05-2006, 02:43 AM
Hi...Enrique....nice start....I think that one of the keys to the greatness of his paintings is
the tiny but mighty little off white highlights that he pricks into, and drags over the surface
of the dark areas of the painting...around eyes, nose, cloth...ect...these really bring the painting to life, and make it sparkle...as small and seemingly unimportant as they may seem,
I think they are the paintings greatess strength...just my opinion though..
Was thinking, you
know, that first Carivaggio painting of yours, is going to be a hard one for you to top...LOL....YOU SET YOUR BAR
PRETTY HIGH WITH THAT ONE....But just take your time, and really see what is there, and
I am sure you will be able to top it...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn


Hi..Gomez....Thank you
I don't know the brushes in photoshop, but you can probably just experiment with them all
on top of the right colors until you get the effect you are seeking...experiment...:)
LOOKING GREAT SO FAR...:thumbsup:

TAKE CARE
Glenn

Rebeccak
05-05-2006, 03:07 AM
Wow, the progress here by everyone is amazing! :)

Gomez,

Regarding textured brushes in PS, check out the first few posts of this Tutorial:

Thread of useful things (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=239810)

Your piece is looking great ~ keep up the good work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Iridyse
05-05-2006, 05:22 AM
Hm, I think I'm done. I started getting into the details of his beard but luckily I realised you can't see that when it's zoomed out, hehe. I feel like doing a Bouguereau copy next. Something with feet in them, I'm terrible at those.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem9.jpg

Not too many noticable changes from the last version, but here's a bigger version (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/hiiri/rem9big.jpg) :)



ricma: I really like how the collar/neck area is looking. You must have a lot of patience to stipple, I could never ever do it. Like everyone else said, get started on the face! :)

Gomez : I can't see your first post, how odd. I think you did a great job. The drawing is slightly off but the painting by itself is beautiful.Great work on the second one too, the colours are spot-on!Just one crit though, check his right(our left) side of the face, you can see a little less of it in the original, it sort of changes the angle of the face.

Cyanid : I like how it is turning out. I think the forearm should be slightly thicker though.

krispee : I agree about capturing the expression, you've done a good job! I think if the background was a little more greenish, it would really help the skin tones to pop up more. Are you going to do more?

DigitalSol: :D I love the modelling of the face!The shadow on the cheek is a little hard though.I'm eagerly waiting for the colours !

Art2
05-05-2006, 06:37 AM
hiiri, excellent job!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Cyanid
05-05-2006, 12:12 PM
hiiri: beautifull! the facial expression is really good! I changed the arm a bit, better now?

the reds really bring this painting to life I think.
somebody has a good tip/tutorial on clothing?
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Cyanidart/caravaggio/painting7.jpg