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Staszek
04-21-2006, 01:16 PM
Hi,

im not satisfact - i have made many mistakes because i was hurry up..
but finaly i have to done with this. i wish to have more time...
I have made many mistakes but i realy try to make it good. (and i now that some things are not...)

rendering is week beacuse i cannot spend more time on this.

http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=david14je.jpg (http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=david14je.jpg)


ortographic views:

http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidfront2bz.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidfront2bz.jpg)
http://img435.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidback1md.jpg (http://img435.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidback1md.jpg)
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidleft9jm.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidleft9jm.jpg)
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidright3db.jpg (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidright3db.jpg)
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidtop5id.jpg (http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidtop5id.jpg)

rotation animation

http://www.staszek-marek.pl/tmp/x.avi (http://www.staszek-marek.pl/tmp/x.avi)


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I deside before i will start any modeling i have to draw first few days - its not a reference exaclly for 3d work. This skeches i was draw based on 3d model and picrures from links on this challenge invitation - just for better knowlage of this greate sculpt.

Plan is:
-skeches for learning model
-skeches for refference for 3d viewports
-first fast medium poly model of David for posing and propotion- the base
-next this same model to zbrush for medium detailed hipoly David model
-second model(maded on first) medium poly with new topology - exaclly mached to details - like hairs for example.
-mapping this medium poly model - with no overall UV-( only 1poly can use part of texture.)
-finishing model in zbrush
-textures - in photoshop and zbrush with zaplink.
-lightinig
-rendering and comosition.

http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=body7ji.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=body36fg.jpghttp://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bodyback4qw.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=body36fg.jpghttp://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bodyback4qw.jpg)
http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=body20on.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backup3qd.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bodybottom3yd.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face27tt.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face127vc.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face31hr.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face49ib.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face54vw.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face63nb.jpg
http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face74fe.jpg
http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face88ca.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face92ay.jpg
http://img82.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face103zg.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face112te.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face138lf.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foot8km.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forarmleft6cq.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handleft24pp.jpg
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handleft31lv.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handleft42hs.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handleft54uk.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handleft2tb.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handright25pe.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handright32zi.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handright46gj.jpg
http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handright5ir.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kneeright26uj.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pelvis1dw.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torso16lw.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torso4aa.jpg

alshakno
04-21-2006, 01:32 PM
Oh nice program

but is it possible in 3 weeks?
the anatomy is hardest section
if u can found the right topolgy in ur skeches u have done lots of it
i will follow ur thread

gl

Staszek
04-21-2006, 02:31 PM
hm... :) 3weeks - its not long.. but its afterhour work anyway..and for sure cant spend 3weeks on this - i hope i will finish this in 2 weeks

rasmusW
04-21-2006, 07:19 PM
this sure looks promising.
i'll definately keep an eye on you.

-r

Staszek
04-23-2006, 06:13 PM
finaly i pose my model - i used 7 camers and mach as posibble simple primitive object - for most important parts of body.
Now i can sketch refferences to viewports working planes.
I will draw on 6views with few light sets from scanview.
Time's run so i have to optimize my plan:)
I will make 1 model

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=views3fq.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=views28qz.jpg

Rod Seffen
04-23-2006, 06:25 PM
Heh, it looks more like some sort of mathematical geometry experiment than an artistic endeavour at the minute)

Staszek
04-23-2006, 07:16 PM
:) with real sculpt is much more matematical..its lot of work time - plannig, mesuring etc.. i hate this plannig work but its usefull .

Rod Seffen
04-23-2006, 08:06 PM
Yeah, but it's a pretty simple pose he's in, so I'm not sure you really need all those cameras and angles worked out. It's time that would be better spent modeling IMO.

Staszek
04-25-2006, 02:44 AM
i just start modeling the torso,
preparing of the views takes some time but later you take this time back :) ( i hope: )
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wiev56sh.jpg

Staszek
04-25-2006, 06:10 AM
next step of torso modeling

http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view68ez.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view68ez.jpg)

habs111
04-25-2006, 06:14 AM
Looking very nice, I like how you draw your own references to better show anatomy.:thumbsup: I'd do it if I was a good enough drawer. :sad:

Rod Seffen
04-25-2006, 08:07 AM
THa's looking good, I'm current;y modeling exactly the same area, and it's very tough.

Staszek
04-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Right side of torso is almost done - ofcourse later i will draw details in the zbrush

http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view70ko.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view70ko.jpg)

http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view87yh.jpg (http://img282.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view87yh.jpg)

Gabe
04-25-2006, 06:58 PM
That's looking awesome!

Staszek
04-25-2006, 08:47 PM
i start back of torso - i will mirror this on right side and change some of shapes and topology in the groins section especially. this image shows the technicue of modeling - first out sides of muscles are from line or plane and fill them by edge modeling in polymesh using bridge etc..

http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view92qz.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view92qz.jpg)

Staszek
04-25-2006, 10:46 PM
http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view104cv.jpg

fx81
04-25-2006, 10:48 PM
nice modeling, nothing to crit so far :thumbsup:

Staszek
04-26-2006, 10:13 AM
http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view117qf.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view122kn.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view138yv.jpg

rasmusW
04-26-2006, 11:48 AM
hey staszek!

this looks really good. very good job on the torso.
got nothing to crit.

-r

Staszek
04-28-2006, 04:24 AM
http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a11jb.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a26yi.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a26yi.jpg)
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a34el.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a34el.jpg)
i had a little pause in work on this but i do what i can - its next steps in progress,

Rod Seffen
04-28-2006, 08:35 AM
I wish you'd post a shaded view so we can see it properly. Wireframe doesn't really tell the story.

gaiXyn
04-28-2006, 08:55 AM
OMG! What a lovely torso, this is a great challenge.

6foot5
04-28-2006, 11:48 PM
..more excellent work!

Staszek
04-29-2006, 09:17 PM
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view143nl.jpg
i cant wait to get it to zbrush:)

Staszek
04-29-2006, 09:38 PM
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view156gz.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view169mi.jpg

Rod Seffen
04-29-2006, 10:50 PM
Jeez, the legs were fast) That's looking really great now. I might have to use zbrush for details myself, just to keep it fair)
One thing I notice is that you seem to be modeling it more like regular anatomy, while I am copying the anatomy of the sculpture as closely as I can.

Staszek
04-29-2006, 11:06 PM
i have made many man :) but not this technicue - anatomy in this sculpt is umbeliveble - diferences of the right and left side - for example groin in this pose in the right side lasts are hiden in the guts:) on the left are spread - just example

this figure is very dificult for me - espetialy pose - little mistace and looks wrong..

details -there is many but i belive with zbrush i will expose them.

Rod Seffen
04-29-2006, 11:19 PM
There are not really many details that can't be easily modeled in, apart from some veins in the hand and forearm.

Intervain
04-29-2006, 11:26 PM
It's starting to look really nice, I like your technique. Keep it coming :thumbsup:

gaiXyn
04-29-2006, 11:54 PM
Your technique is very complex ( for me ) but it serves you very well. Very nice!

Staszek
04-30-2006, 12:16 AM
haha thats true :) its not very workflow - anyway we will see how itworks in the finish line.

Staszek
04-30-2006, 05:44 AM
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view173sn.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view181ku.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view197ar.jpg

gaiXyn
04-30-2006, 05:49 AM
looking good man!!

habs111
04-30-2006, 05:49 AM
It seems like you over exaggerated the details, if you look at the scanview, the muscles on the chest dont look very much like the muscles on yours. I havent looked at the rest but I would work on that.

I know mine isnt any better, but I know you have the skills to fix it if you tried.

Staszek
04-30-2006, 02:10 PM
yes - there is many diferences - i fix them :)

RobertoOrtiz
04-30-2006, 03:43 PM
TWO WEEKS TO GO! (MAY 15th):Hardcore Modeling Challenge: THE DAVID! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=352022)
Just a reminder

-R

Staszek
04-30-2006, 08:10 PM
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view204yn.jpg

DaedraLord
05-01-2006, 01:57 AM
dude, you're really an awesome modeler. maybe in a few years i can match that.

im guessing your using edge extrude?

great work so far, recreating a masterpeice isnt easy. (except im sure it was harder to make the masterpeice in the first place)

fx81
05-01-2006, 03:36 AM
very very good modeling :thumbsup: keep going
you can finish it. you got a good chance at wining this

V3N
05-04-2006, 09:38 PM
very very good modeling :thumbsup: keep going
you can finish it. you got a good chance at wining this

yes, you got a good chance, really nice model dude.

Staszek
05-05-2006, 02:57 AM
hi,
i had very busy last few days and i cannot work on this - :) but today night i make unnecessary things :) i had chance to check technicue for hairs :)

now i have to make hands and head :) - and then to the zbrush for finishing model

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view232qe.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view241jp.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view250sd.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view269ex.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view224mm.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=view270jh.jpg

fx81
05-05-2006, 03:13 AM
great progress, all those drawings and research are taking effect :thumbsup:

RobertoOrtiz
05-08-2006, 04:09 PM
FYI

ONE WEEK TO GO :The Hardcore Modeling MINI-Challenge #1: The David (MAY 15th) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354766)

ROBERTOS BULLHORN: Expanded RULES for the FINAL RENDER (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=354104)

-R

Staszek
05-10-2006, 12:14 AM
test render - on low quality - for higher need more time :) last week so i have to sit in hard because i was work on this only 6days(after hour ).. but i think i will finish at time with zbrush finishing and textures and nice render ( iHOPE : )

http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d6tl.jpg

habs111
05-10-2006, 12:28 AM
Cool, I like your render, how exactly did you do it? Im trying to get a simmilar render in XSI, but I lack the knowledge of rendering.

Also it looks a whole lot more accurate than it did a week ago.

Staszek
05-10-2006, 12:45 AM
just test - its simple radiosity on 60%, mesh of david is 25000tris for now.
i include screen from viewports with procesed radiosity on this mediumpoly mesh.
when i finish rest of body i will fix some things in zb. like muscle pinchnes, smothnes, details like veins,hairs finishing,nails etc

habs111
05-10-2006, 01:12 AM
Woah I dont even know what radiosity is, but im finding out. lol
I dont think there is radiosity in XSI, you can just fake it. :(

I found this though

http://www.claus-figuren.de/tutorials/radiosity/

Rod Seffen
05-10-2006, 08:08 AM
Nice render. THe muscles look a little too deep and bumpy in places, and his ass looks a bit saggy, it's very round and firm on the statue.

gaiXyn
05-10-2006, 08:30 AM
diddo what oDDity said, and to add, I think his Right Leg can do with some tweaking. Especially the knee, it's too high. And his legs are lil too fat/thick/wide.

With that said, it's a great model, much better than mine. Godd Job!!

Staszek
05-10-2006, 01:08 PM
oDDity - You right they are to bumpy and hard etc. In the oryginal muscles are more pinched and full, they create many specially 'lines' shapes - this i will do in zb on hihger polycount - round 2mln. i did little topology work on his ass: )

Blinder - Something is wron with this left leg too..now should be ok

For now i atach some test renders - if you find someething let me now,

right hand, head, this is my priority now :)

http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d99vg.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d87rx.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d220fx.gif

Staszek
05-11-2006, 11:56 AM
http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v09ri.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v09ri.jpg)

http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v18kr1.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v18kr1.jpg)

http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v24og.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v24og.jpg)

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v33vm.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v33vm.jpg)

habs111
05-11-2006, 02:36 PM
I enjoy learning from your wires. Its looking great. Cant wait till you start the head.

Staszek
05-11-2006, 08:12 PM
Virtuosity (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=189740) vbmenu_register("postmenu_3535651", true); Thx Virtuosity im glad then i can help. Im learnig much too in this hardcore modeling.
I attach printscreen from starting modeling neck.

Staszek
05-12-2006, 02:46 AM
my current neck part progress :

gaiXyn
05-12-2006, 06:49 AM
LOL, that's kind of funny, b/c I'm working on the exact same spot on David.

Rod Seffen
05-12-2006, 08:27 AM
It looks really painful the way you model, poly by poly like that, on such a dense mesh as well.
I couldn't do it. It's paying off for you though. Better hurry though, only a few days left for the head and hair and details...and I'd guess you aren't goig to do any texturing at this stage.

habs111
05-12-2006, 03:21 PM
Are those pictures unsmoothed? If so...wow. I think a weekend for the head sounds like enough time, but shading? Cant wait to see it, I'm sure you'll pull it off.

Staszek
05-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Im try to finish :) at time what i planed to do (i sacrifice my offing free weekend-again...).
Im using Max - edge modeling - looping, copyng, extruding, bridges, caps, weld - this is methods what i use to model face(after that to zbrush for finishing).
but hairs are scare me :) it will be insane hardcore modeling speed.

thx for support

Current progress:

Rod Seffen
05-12-2006, 07:44 PM
I didn't even try to copy the hair, I just made my own and gave it the same overall shape and volume as the statue. I don't think the small details of the hair is what makes or breaks the model..

Staszek
05-13-2006, 01:19 AM
current progress:

fx81
05-13-2006, 01:44 AM
vey good observation skill indeed. the likeness is good
i believe you will be able to model the hair exactly too and finish the whole thing in time.

Staszek
05-13-2006, 02:22 AM
thx fx81

my current progress:

fx81
05-13-2006, 03:50 AM
even though this is wip, ill shoot some crits anyways

the upper eye lids need to be little lower

and the lips look a little smiley, may be the chicks need less volume.

Staszek
05-13-2006, 08:48 AM
right - and the eyes are too small

Staszek
05-13-2006, 09:59 PM
my current progress:

Rod Seffen
05-13-2006, 10:24 PM
I can only admire your commitment and stamina if you're going to spend the weekend modeling that hair poly by poly)

habs111
05-13-2006, 10:50 PM
Nose area looks odd

Lips look off from the angle its in

Chin needs to be flat in front (can't tell)

Other than that this is the best "modeled" head so far.

Staszek
05-14-2006, 07:31 AM
Yes there is many mistakes, im working on face all the time to - now i have finished medium poly moedel of hairs too and i conect it with body and go to zbrush fo finishing and correction of all model
i will update next steps

http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h19vh.jpg

Staszek
05-14-2006, 08:45 PM
i just finish my medium poly model of David.
Now i get it to zbrush for details like the sideburns details on the face, hairs, all of body - veins, nice nails etc.. etc and correction.

http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s03cs.jpg (http://img288.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s03cs.jpg)

http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s17kb1.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s17kb1.jpg)

http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s20ab.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s20ab.jpg)

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s37ph1.jpg (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s37ph1.jpg)

http://img316.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s46bd.jpg (http://img316.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s46bd.jpg)

http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s53ar.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s53ar.jpg)

http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s69mr.jpg (http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s69mr.jpg)

http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s75sk.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s75sk.jpg)

http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s89bh.jpg (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s89bh.jpg)

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s97uh.jpg (http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s97uh.jpg)

http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s103oo.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s103oo.jpg)

Rod Seffen
05-14-2006, 09:00 PM
Very nice. One big problem I spotted is that the hair is very obviosuly mirrored. You should break that up a bit.

fx81
05-14-2006, 09:01 PM
:eek:

:applause:

just amazing. you modeled it quite fast and also maintained likeness and detail.

you will definitely get my vote as the winner, hands down.

gaiXyn
05-14-2006, 09:30 PM
:eek:

:applause:

just amazing. you modeled it quite fast and also maintained likeness and detail.

that goes triple for me, excellent job on the hair.

You're amazing dude :thumbsup:


Oh, by the way, the scanView isn't loading up for me either, so it's not your machine, I guess it has something to do with the server :shrug:

habs111
05-15-2006, 03:45 AM
that goes triple for me, excellent job on the hair.

You're amazing dude :thumbsup:

Yup I knew you were going to do a great job from the beginning when I saw your past work and the fact that you drew out your own refs. Awesome. Cant wait to see your final render, which should be soon I hope.

Hynol
05-15-2006, 10:29 PM
Niiiiiice. Very nice, indeed.

Staszek
05-15-2006, 11:03 PM
thx for support

but...im not satisfact - i have made many mistakes because i was hurry up..
but finaly i have to done with this. i wish to have more time...
I have made many mistakes but i realy try to make it good. (and i now that some things are not...)

http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=david14je.jpg (http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=david14je.jpg)


ortographic views:

http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidfront2bz.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidfront2bz.jpg)
http://img435.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidback1md.jpg (http://img435.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidback1md.jpg)
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidleft9jm.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidleft9jm.jpg)
http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidright3db.jpg (http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidright3db.jpg)
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidtop5id.jpg (http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=davidtop5id.jpg)

for rotation animation i have to wait.. about 56min :)

fx81
05-15-2006, 11:34 PM
nice work, one of the better entries.
only the dirt map seems a little too rough i think but i dont know if you got enough time to re-render

Staszek
05-16-2006, 12:40 AM
yes you right fx81.
but now.. i cannot do nothing :)


Your hand is most well executed.
Wish good luck!

Rod Seffen
05-16-2006, 08:59 AM
Of course it is not perfect, it's not possible in the time, but it's very good. The hair is really great as well, I wish I had the stamina and concentration required to have done it properly, I'm regretting that I didn't now.
I'd say the weaskest part is the face, it doesn't really look like David, but faces require a lot of subtle tweaking to achieve a likeness, and you kind of rushed yours in the last few days.
I'd say your anatomy is generally more accurate than mine, but I presented my finished product better then you did.
Also you used zbrush to add in the detials like veins etc, which I do think was kind of taking the easy way out. Drawing veins using projection master in zbrush is extremely easy, it requires only basic photoshop skills, while modeling them in polygons requires some delicate skill.
I know you had not much time left at the end, but you always said from the start you were going to do the details in zbrush.

Pierdziele
05-16-2006, 07:25 PM
jest szacun :)

centurionit
05-19-2006, 11:34 PM
I can't belive that someone could do something like this....is wonderfull.
Great work here man....Very compliment.....you are an ARTIST!!! Trust me

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=330707

RobertoOrtiz
05-22-2006, 01:16 PM
Congratz!
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-R

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