The Journey Begins Challenge (2D) Entry: Alperen Kahraman

[akahraman]

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This is also a start for CG Society and contains a new hello!

Stage of the work looks very strange. I know that. I do not have any skecth for it. Decided in mind everything than started to draw at 50 x 70 cm white empty paper. Some of the objects and ideas becoming spontaneously. I can call this as "my stile". No working with plans too much. Just like the "life" itself.

So this is the uncompleted drawing.
It wasn't possible to scan it for that moment. I took a bad photo of it. Sorry for that.

Of course, there is a story, a theme, a subject,a concept...but i wont tell now. Later...of course...

And so... i open new parenthesis...

[individium]

:wavey:welcome to the best society ever!

your journey begins here my friend!

hoşgeldin, çok gizemli girmişsin baya etkileyici görünüyor:thumbsup:

[akahraman]

thanx buddy, i m very excited to be here.:bounce:

My journey continous here...I consider where it ends.Whatever, time to stop thinking future. Time to work hard for now :banghead:...

For two of us:)

< i can imagine myself,colouring this job at Photoshop with my ssslllooowww computer... i will really need your best wishes:D >

Senin olduðun yerde bir baþkasý etkileyici olur mu hiç...:beer:

[Rudeone]

WOW that's really disturbing man!....I love it! :D awesome pencil work!
I'm looking forward to see how this developes and what kind of sick story is behind it haha.
Don't forget to complete all milestones BTW, you need to complete all otherwise your entry won't count.
I'm telling you this because you started with the line art, you probably want to trow in a concept sketch next before you continue.
It would be a pitty if you finish, but won't get accepted because you forgot a milestone.

Welcome to cgsociety BTW! good luck in the challenge and have fun!

[akahraman]

Yes. Thank you very much for advice about milestones... I was wondering about that... i really dont know what to do. i never draw concept sketches. i make them in the mind but would like to show'em...:) If needed, i can scratch somethings. Also,i must tell the story behind...Ok, i will do that to..:) the first milestone will come after second...i hope there will be no problem...i hope..:shrug:

< good luck to you too...Thank you...again... >

[cgoz]

wow, don't know what to say, just hoping to see more.

[Rudeone]

Yes. Thank you very much for advice about milestones... I was wondering about that... i really dont know what to do. i never draw concept sketches. i make them in the mind but would like to show'em...:) If needed, i can scratch somethings. Also,i must tell the story behind...Ok, i will do that to..:) the first milestone will come after second...i hope there will be no problem...i hope..:shrug:

< good luck to you too...Thank you...again... >

No it shouldn't be a problem, just post a quick set-up of your scene or something and call it concept sketch, then just continue with your work and you should be allright.

[paperclip]

This is cool, I like your execution very much! I'm wondering though- where's the journey aspect/concept?

Also, the guy standing to the left seems oddly out of perspective, as if he's floating....

Having said that, I'm really curious to see how this one turns out. I really like your sketching style.

[Neubius]

really interesting man, like it , dark.
reminds me a litle of gigers' dream sketches only a lot more finished.
keen to see more : )

[akahraman]

Phew, finally critiques... i am glad to receive them all. Please don't hesitate about saying something for the works...

I hope to finish this drawing in a short time then scan it part to part to refresh it. Before that, i will put the concept sketches and will tell the concept...

Before making something understandable, i didn't want to tell about the story about journey subject. Otherwise it wouldnt be so clear i thought. Uh, it is a little bit loooong story:)..(?)

I am thinking about the perspective the man at the back, i will apply some backside staff there and will make more clear decisions when i start to work at photoshop. Good critique.:thumbsup:

Giger is one of my old favourite...:curious: Hmm.. i dont know, maybe he never gets old.


Expectations are relieving me...thanks...

[Slav]

interesting stuff, my only crit is that you are going to have to pull the theme into your image more. i guess ill be looking out for that. good luck.

[GHOGHNOOS]

very nice .

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=335266

[akahraman]

Reading a story from this drawing, not so possible, i appreciate that. Actually my approach is not to contact directly with the stories. Indirect -much also- contacts inspires me more... Like to face a scene suddenly...Not knowing what exactly happens there!...

By the way, i am not sure it works..:blush:

[akahraman]

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No sure if the finished work look like this. I hate sketches...Never prefer make concept skeches at my personal jobs. Just using when i try to explain to someone about opinions. Yes... i see now...

[paperclip]

What sort of look are you trying to go for with your entry here? I'm kinda surprised, there's a fairly large gap in quality between the two concept sketches? :shrug:

[akahraman]

"Nature put the rules, human break it... This is the nature of the human."

When humanity started to change the nature, it created itself. Changed more to become more "human". By the time, chemical disasters, nuclear wastes, wars, technological researches, concrete occupations were bringing the nature to an end. There were no possible breathing for earth.

Humanity realized that terror too late.It tried to keep alive the nature by their same troubling ways. By the high technology. The earth was a bionic evergreen from that moment...

Natural selection developed very strangly after that. People's inability were growing day by day. Nature was growing... Becoming strong.

Finally , Vengeance was Nature's...

Reverse invasion started. This may be called as choice of the GOD or chaotic fertility or natural selection or coincidental formation or fate... Who knows the result is evil or good. For both side. And what's side?...

Here by the context of this fiction, i depict a scene that a human is changing by the conquest of butterflies which are defined very innocent, weak and beutiful by the human also describes the human coming against the earth | nature | itself.

This journey happens in a new age. The main human figure will set up a new life with his new form of organism. There will be a man at the backside approaching to the front who is a kind of a leader of these butterflies. The epic question appears at this moment... What will they have a journey for...? To save the humanity or to save the nature...? Which side do you prefer?

Original text from me...Sorry for my limited English...

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[akahraman]

What sort of look are you trying to go for with your entry here? I'm kinda surprised, there's a fairly large gap in quality between the two concept sketches? :shrug:

i estimated that... That was an obligation for the contest. We can call it as an accident also.:sad:
I didnt start for colouring yet.

y o u a r e r i g h t ! . . .

[akahraman]

i will put completed drawing at 22 April Saturday. Then will begin to illustrate it at Photoshop. Many things will be clear at that stages.

So, i'm going to wait for your comments for the drawing at that time.

See you.

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[Rudeone]

I like that concept, very interesting and deep story.
Not really your average 'journey/quest' concept.
Well I mean the journey aspect isn't really physical so to speak, it's more like a question and I think that's a good thing.
It kind of leaves the viewer with the dillema you bring up in your last sentence, ''what is going to happen?'', something to think about.
I'm looking forward to see how this developes and how you're going to visualise that question in your work, please continue.

[akahraman]

:eek: Wow!...i didn't expect someone to understand me like this. One more thank you... maybe i must count thanks that i used for you..:)

There is a smooth contact with the subject, no shouting as "i am going to journeey!!". My approach to the concept is this. This is a choice of course.

This choice is risky...But couldn't hold myself...

I also believe that , a dilemma (that you exactly catch) is comprehensible in that drawing when we contact the "journey" subject.

i like to speak about concept and to think about.

i will do the job too..:D

[akahraman]

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As i promised, i put the final drawing stage...

BUT...

i am not going on the challenge with this one anymore. I'm not sure about the concept as you don't too...it is much more like machineflesh concept.

BUT...

i am going to go on with another one. Concept is over.Sketches and lineArt is over...i'll post them now.

[akahraman]

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So this is the very first skecth about the concept.

A bird with a broken wing lies on the floor in the forest. At the sky, we see birds immigrating. This little bird has to go to the place where they are immigrating. But it has to move by foot!!! This will be an impossible challenge maybe...But in the forest there are some strange small creatures called "tree tails".Those creatures are very kind and one of them prepares to escort it. Epic journey begins.

I am longing this kindness.:)

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[akahraman]

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This is the composition near i am dreaming.We see the little bird, "three tails" ,birds at the sky, the journey way among the immigration route and the forest scene.

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[akahraman]

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One of the "three tails" showing the way and discusses about the route and the dangers of journey.

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[akahraman]

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This "three tails" prepares foods for the other one goes to escort and looking at her/him?.

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[akahraman]

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And this one is thinking if how they can handle and what must do...

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[akahraman]

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Our hero "three tail". This is the most kindly and skillful one. Holding the journey pack with one of his/her tail.

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[akahraman]

i will begin to colour and composite them togather at photoshop.

i think this subject is more compatible with our concept.:bounce:

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[akahraman]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1145830272_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1145830272_large.jpg)

This is a VERY close up to three tail's eye to see how i develope details.I worked so close about at 100-200-300 zoom with about 2 px brush. i like good tastes of details and looking to find them...

[akahraman]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1145830851_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1145830851_large.jpg)

Here is the composition of the image and the first colouring stage. Little bit inattentive for now.

[akahraman]

i think to put an horizon and path, maybe mountains...At this one,we cannot see anything about the path but this make it more mysterious. IamNot sure about anything...:sad:

Hey, dont you see..i need your comments.:)

And,

Im open for any advise about colouring...Or something else...I am not a professional as you see...:shrug:

[akahraman]

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I have worked for more detail on three tail's face. I used some wet brush for the skin especially on cheek. Hairs are painted with minimum brush sizes with opacity values of wacom pen.

[younglion]

you have some really good stuff going on there man keep it coming im gonna keep my eye on this thread. peace.

[akahraman]

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Finally i decided the composition. Actually this was my first thinking. I wanted to add more figures before.THn i changed my mind and wanted to see only one "three tail" and the bird. This is less and more..:) I focused to the center. I didnt begin to draw the bird yet. And the details of background will change too much. i dont know how will it be either.:)

[akahraman]

Thanks younglion...

i was begin to think that iam alone in the crowd...:rolleyes:

i will be glad to hear any comment and thinking...Please dont keep'em yourselves...:)

SEeYA...

[MasonRoberts]

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I have worked for more detail on three tail's face. I used some wet brush for the skin especially on cheek. Hairs are painted with minimum brush sizes with opacity values of wacom pen.

WOW... this is hyper realistic, yet that of a caricature...! I love it, keep on chuggin!:thumbsup:

[akahraman]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146169403_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146169403_large.jpg)

Again,again,again...a concept sketch...
I changed my mind and work.There is too much time for this.:)

War ends,journey begins...
We see a soldier resting after a great war. He has a shocked and stunned statement on his face.He may be alone,he doesnt know yet but he will think what to do after this chaotic situation. | on the challenge-event page there is a reccomendation about to use small creatures.Here, i wanted to express how SMALL is human... | Finally, i wanted to say the words that references "Fallout" game ; "War Never Changes".

[akahraman]

:cry:Will be very good if you let me know which of my concept do you like more.

"The Bird With Broken Wing" or "The Soldier After War"...:shrug:

Thanks.

[akahraman]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146219611_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146219611_large.jpg)

I wish to clear my challenge page and start again. It seems too much dirty because of my amateur mistakes and mind changes...But i enter this challenge to learn.I think i learned too much but first "stability" at last...Here as a restart,this is the sketch.,Here lineart is coming after.
Actually this is the final drawing of my opinion.I like it too much that i return it back. We must do what we like...

The invasion of the butterflies starts again by the first journey.

[akahraman]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146219956_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146219956_large.jpg)

I couldnt realize whats "lineart" first. This was a new term for me and i couldnt understand because of my limited English.

This is the Lineart stage before colouring i executed about 20 minutes.:

[akahraman]

And thanks for comment Mason...
I will do the same realistic tastes and details at my new work too:arteest:.Actually its takin too much time but it satisfies my expectations.I investigate for beautiful and aesthetic realistic details.:curious:

[younglion]

keep going man i wish i could produce sketches like that as fast as you man and i prefer the soldier after war.......i dunno why...hmmmmmmmm......it could be the fact that ive been playing too much ww2 shooters.:shrug:. oh yea i forgot to ask ru using photoshop or painter?

[akahraman]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146323986_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/12/11450/11450_1146323986_large.jpg)

Started for colouring...So this is the first stage colour processing at photoshop with big brush sizes and no detailing, showing the light behaviour at the same time...But i didnt decide true colours yet and no background also.

[akahraman]

:rolleyes: | you make me think again |
So younglion, i like the soldier too the reason is he has a great shocking expression on the face and reflects what the real war is. Warriors always reflected too much charismatic.:cool: Reality couldnt be that simple.I want mooore reality...And here, "after war, before journey" concept attracts me as well:sad: ...Thanks, i ll think the advice about that.

and i use photoshop.

[akahraman]

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I applied some colour channel changes on human. His hand is much more uderstandable and right anatomicly. Some changes about light and background.Actually still there isnt too much thing at all...

[younglion]

the choice of colours are very good kep it up.

[individium]

i was away for a week and youve totally gone crazy in a week
your butterfly concept does not look like machineflesh it can be natureflesh at most:) and if i have not seen this three tails concept i would cry out 'NOOOO! DONT CHANGE THE CONCEPT'
but yes the three tails fits the concept even better and the work youve done with it is incredible. but i must say that i think your worst and most ordinary concept is the soldier one i would go on with both butterfly and threetails and see which one beats the other if i were you. if you can, go on with all of them.

and no you dont need a clean page its beatiful when its filled with your sketches like a diary. and its the meaning of this concept, thats the way art improves with a large community of artists all together sharing ideas.(hail cg society)

and my suggestions for the three tails i liked the female figure a lot but the crowded composition is the best one, i'd go on with that one for sure.
but be careful not to make an ordinary forest make a totally imaginative forest and i think you can have an award with that work.

good luck dude
hope to see you at my posts some time;)
:beer:

[akahraman]

Hey buddy..nice to see you here again. And good comments and critiques here again also...

I waited for your return with your job to post. I know u were too busy.

i couldnt decide any of my ideas clearly...Then i listened to my senses... I prefered to go on with "The invasion of the Butterflies"... the most important thing is,i am enjoying while doing this. Actually, i wish we could do more job with more time..:) bu thats enought too...:D

i think i ll do three tail story as finished image than will put it on my folio... that one feeling me good and peaceful... Honestly, there is a contradiction about my choice...i choose the one that makes me hopeless...:shrug: but i guess i choose it becasue of the reality... I cannot see too much hope about human in the future if everything goes like that..Anyway..thanks again...

See u...

[akahraman]

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I preferred landscape in order to achieve some environmental development. The man at the back is coming from a long distance for now. A large mass of rubbles covering land and some junk also. Meaningless ruins standing around.A path what we see the men with butterfly wings ahead, reaching out.There will be a tree and some flowers at front which has an adverse relation with environment.So i decided composition and will begin to elaboration.

[oco]

I admire your development of the textures, very close up with a very small brush. This is the same way I work. Very time consuming but by far the best result in my opinion. Working from the dark to light chiaroscuro effect creates a very strong image.

Look forward to seeing the end result

[jevinart]

have you ever read the book "the bridge" by john skipp & craig spector? it's out of print, and very hard to find, but if you do a search for it and find a re-seller's version, would be well worth your time. i immediately thought of this horror novel when i saw your (very cool!) artwork.


"the bridge" is a gruesome story about nature coming alive and reclaiming itself after being transformed through the negligence and contamination at the hands of man. freaky and disturbing, as it your entry (said with much love and admiration!). if you can find the book, buy it, and spend a weekend with it curled up in bed -- 'cause by the time you're done, that's the only place you'll find solice....

[akahraman]

oco...
i always loved to reflect details from reality to images that captures me for close up working and it becomes as a habit. But as you know there is a risky position about to breaking of the entire image...Whole image and details togather becoming effective.Also at my works iDont execute all of the image as the same touches. Intensifying a part of it.

One more thing i appreciate, there is a strange line between illustration and artistic work.Personally i am much more at the artistic side and I try to get there more...Trying to find solutions for this ideal at computer imaging. So I am not worry about visible brush strokes unlike i try to convey forms and shapes revealing by the light using the strokes. The similar to the sculpture. i hope my sentences are understandable.:curious::blush: Lastly i may say that i ispire oil paintings too much... Thanks for your sight.



Jevinart...
I have not see or here the book you suggest:cry:.I've done a little search at google but i only could see the cover.Yeah,very interesting for me about the subject at the book.I hope to get it but iam not sure to find it in Turkey...But could be possible.I will ask for it to second-hand booksellers. Actually i have request from you; "'cause by the time you're done, that's the only place you'll find solice...." i couldnt catcth the meaning about this because of my defective english. I will be glad if you explain meaning of this more.This must be important.

Actually the opinion of the concept is about to my aggressive expression to humanity that annihilates pure nature. There is a subject at spotlight here in Turkey that; most of the very beautiful pure coves being destroyed to build hotels and holiday resorts. I felt so bad that, there will stand no place that human charges by its own nasty creation. Of course, this is not a new thing but results are starting to achieve.Animal kinds exhausting fastly and global warming approaching effectively. I am afraid about demolishing life which everything belong to, icluding human.

Anyway,i wanted to explain behind the reason of this execution. The book is in my mind. Thanks for approaching to the concept and please dont skip my request:D...

[jevinart]

hey, alperen --

before i go any further, here's a link to amazon.com, where "the bridge" is available from re-sellers (and at a cheap price, too!):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553290274/qid=1147012373/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-1499968-1457653?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

i really like your concept! i feel the same as you when it comes to environmental destruction -- i get so angry when i read the news and see, every day, what we as humans are doing to the world, its creatures, and ourselves. every year, we are pushing more plant and animal species into extinction -- an estimated 16 million animal species will be extinct within the next 40 years, according to recent scientific analysis!!

i didn't mean anything important in my statement you quoted -- only that after reading the book, you'll probably just want to crawl into bed and never get out, because the book is so horribly frightening!

to give a brief synopsis: the story begins when a factory secretly sends workers out to illegally dump toxic waste into a nearby river (they dump the barrels over the side of a bridge, hence the title of the book). after doing this for some time, the chemicals begin to merge, mix and change -- until one night, the nature itself in this dumping ground begins to become altered as well. and then.... well, you'll just have to read the book.:scream:

keep up the great work -- i really love your style, and am inspired by your conceptual creativeness,and the depth of meaning you bring to life!

[akahraman]

I looked at amazon.com when u say that book first and read some reviews about it.But i didnt look at price:)... Probably i will buy. It's getting my attention very much.I wonder about that story which is very similar to my thought as you catch...

..."only that after reading the book, you'll probably just want to crawl into bed and never get out, because the book is so horribly frightening!"... | i see know:p...i hope, one day we wont fall into that situation by the horrible reality.I hope those sci-fi topics and visuals wont become real...one day...

We are nearly opposite sides of the world...But we feel the same about this. People dont change...And wont maybe...

I couldnt imagine anything else when thinking this.Tried to do other subjects for our challenge. But this one effected me by the senses. Now i am glad to picking this being shared that feeling...

Please anyone dont drop garbage outside...:rolleyes:

Thanks Kevin.

[akahraman]

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Some changes about environment.I wont submit about one week. But will follow posts.
I add one more junk tower at the back little bit far. Applied some differences the one at the front. Darkness at the background. Some particles where the light reveals.

Thats all for now.Then I am begining to final colouring.

[jevinart]

coming along beautifully! i must admit, this piece is one of my favorites. you are extremely talented, and the style you incpororate is quite cool.... the mood is incredible, too....

[paperclip]

It's coming along really well, such an intriguing image. I feel that the character is a bit too disconnected from the background though, try and make him gel in a bit more....it's like the whole work is split in half, with each half being a totally different image.


Maybe that's the effect you wanted, but it's hard to make out a coherent whole at the moment. Maybe reconsider your composition a bit?

[domclubb]

pretty disturbing this one. and very well done. i think the light beaming down on the man could be a bit more subtle and less volumetric. also, the tree on the left is too close to the side and appears slighly cut off. I would bring it in a bit. anyway, apart from these small details, its coming along nicely. good luck.

[akahraman]

Ok paperclip and domclubb...

You both embraced my doubts about the image.Actually light effect on this figure will be decreased too much.By the way the image will be more coherent.

And about the trunk of the tree is too much outside of the image as i wish. Like u feel,we want to see it more in the image when we look at it for a while.We want to see it. Becasue we like it when everything is dark,unnatural,concreted,soiled...We want to see something green,natural more in the image. It's bothering us. As in my concept idea about the future statement.We will be yearning to this as in the image. But if it reveals there as a problem of the work,i could try to make it more suitable. Honestly i am not sure will it still have the effect that i wish to reflect as you feel.

I'll take care other problems. Thanks for comments that give countenance to my state of being suspected.

[akahraman]

Jevinart,tried to get the book but no shipping here. But i'll get it one way.:curious:
Thanks again for your plaudits...:blush:

[younglion]

nice stuff man

[jeromoo]

Hi there, emptyparenthesis. I must admit I couldn't understand what was going on in your picture. It looks like a wraparound book cover, the right half for the front of the book. Like paperclip said, you may want to reconsider the composition. Make the theme clearer as well. The mood you aim for here is quite successful.

BTW, what is that thing standing in the horizon? Sorry if you already mentioned it in your earlier post. Looking forward to your next update!

[akahraman]

Ok,thanks for comment... i am thinking about composition at the moment and 'll make some changes as you pointed. i will change the place the junk tower in the middle and the men coming from soo far | i think you were asking about that | will be much more in the front...The man at the horizon is quite apparent at my concept drawing...actually for this image,i am nt sure anything and i dont like to speak without doing...It will be good to show cahnges by posting...But nowadays i have too much project work at school and i will be on duty...One more "but",i will not stay far from this challenge too...i think to post about 1 or two days later...

Thanks for helps...:wavey:

[akahraman]

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I estimated again some parts of the composition.Many changes and new details also. I defined to use some brushes for the ground and fury area on the men. There are huge rubbles now and the guy at the background is coming closer from top of the hill with his butterflies...This is more similar to my concept drawings...I don't know why i put it that far before...
And there are some changes on the front figure too. He is bigger. His face is more detailed and shiny. It looks as so much light burst but i like this influence.
thus...

[BlackDidThis]

I am sorry for not having had the chance earlier to repay your frequent visits, as your company was so welcome.
If you won't mind, I tried to figure your image out best I can, to try to see if there would be anything I would help out on.
And trust me; it was NOT an easy task!
You were like a butterfly yourself, a moth or a nocturnal butterfly simply dancing from one point to another!


Firstly (without getting into all the details of emotions, and how you give me the impression of someone that is drugged from working too hard, and after a long days exhaustion, he sits down and draws something that popped into his mind) I would like to try point a few things out in your image:

Something directly striking is how your foreground and background elements interact.
Don't get me wrong, I love the work on both of them.
But in this case it seems as if I am at a theatre, where there is a set of actors props, and then a drop of a matte painting at the back displaying a scene, like... I don't know... the graveyard for the spectral wilis from Giselle.

There is a perspective in the back, and naturally a perspective in the front (The props and all...) but the objects in the painting do not get contaminated by the lighting as the real props do.
Those preparing the scene for the theatre have found a good work around this; they produce matte's that do not really have a close enough area to have any effect from the lights reflect on them. And they also try to make the lighting of the scene such that it will be more to track the actors/dancers only...

Now this you have here is not a scene in a theatre... you have infinite depth and an infinite canvas to reason your creativity.
It would be a pity to have a backdrop of a matte painting feel, when you are not obligated to be doing so. Especially if the person taking the journey is the guy that is in the middle of the painting and not the unfortunate victim in the front.
I would wish that you find a way to introduce a "something" that would effect both the for ground, and the background simultaneously... in a manner managing to prevent the 'backdrop' effect.


Another thing is the guy that you pulled to the front (I think you had wanted to put him at the back, along the eye line because of the dramatic lights he would receive from the mist and backlight... Which I thought was cool, but I am glad that you brought him forward, makes the story much more descriptive) and the pose he is in.
He looks worn down... and walking in acceptance, as if this was a casual day for him... while coming from work or something.
Actually the motion is mostly suggested from the cloth rather than his stance.

Now if I get it right, he is sort of covered up in protection of the butterflies... or better yet to cover from the attack of nature (Please correct me if I am missing the point).
So I would expect him really hunched down in the covers of the cloth... sort of like the manner you would see somebody covered with a blanket, run from fire.
And I would have expected a bit more pace in his steps.

This is only a personal touch I would go for.
You may want him to be morning fro the sorrow of the site.
My major worry at this is hat it really seemed as if he is an evil sorcerer or something that cast the spell to do all this damage (I am sorry if that was actually the intention)


Last of all:
The poor man in front that you destruct more and more (Poor thing!) on every update...
It looks as if you just ran a scanned image through a "brushStroke" filter, when you actually are of the few with a drawing start off.
I like the new light... makes it seem a bit more solid, but watch out for the volumetric shadow of the butterfly above his eye... sort of looks like a rose stem has been poked into his eye! :eek:



Finally;
To give a very honest remark on what it struck me as is.. that you made a drawing, that you loved the drawing and tried to figure out a way to blend it into the subject.
There is NOTHING wrong with working like this... there is only "disadvantages" of blending into the subject. And it demands a lot of work :sad:
All in all your entry looks very absurd, and "painting-like"; and presents a lot of talent and too many ideas.

I Accept that your task in hand is much more complicated and difficult than that of the most of us. And you are definitely gifted with a lot of ability. I only wish you the best of luck to get the image to it's deserved results.


GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup:


Black

Ps; I was listening to Gothica (The album "The Cliff of Suicide) while viewing your image... and wow! does the music fit! :)

[individium]

hi again my friend!

relly good development you did there, but you got some problems there naturally as you choose a very hard composition.

most of them are told by black (the post master :) ) but i got some crits. that can help(i think).

firstly last position of the tree is very very good and dont change it unless theres a complete change in the composition.

secondly the only real problem is lightning its non-logical (i dont now if this wor was a true expression).
theres a moon on the background but most of the objects are lighted by the source on the front and as it looks like a directional lightning (like a spot or whatever) ,the light on the butterflymaster may be ok but the construction on the middle is too much lighted for that source.

and the building on the right can not be seen with that kind of light on the front, and its taking the light from the wrong side.

and about the building in the middle it still cuts the scene to two and also creates a little symmetry in the scene.

and if you ask me i would prefer the empty sky (or just without the moon) becouse the light coming from there is very beatiful and i think if you put a mass of butterflies there it would look great, may be one or two butterflymasters will be coming on the same way and it will feel like aha now this man is going to be one of them too (up to you to decide of course)

still a very tasteful work and showing your talents for sure.

im sure you'll do a great work

see you pal!

[akahraman]

Black...:)

When i see your post:eek: first here, about my work i was excited and glad. After read it,i am glad more...I read everything carefully that was not so easy to me, i didn't want to miss anything...I go back to English lessons at high school with dictionary at my other hand.But the different is, dictionary is on the net know and it saves my life..:)...It's very nice and altruistic that you've written in case of analizing,explaining trying to help to reach the best result.

No matter you didn't post me before however you finally did.

Most of your analizes quite true.

There are unsolved problems about light,thats one of true things...Actually this is not the image that i determine everything. Here I wanted to see everything in front of me...There'll (must) be many chanegs about application to make it more real. It sounds me good to feel the viewer in a theater but i must efface the artifical influence... The theater feeling mostly cause of the dark area is lighting with one light source... This is the light as in the cross-question room from the top of the head of a criminal... I wanted people to query theirselves for their crimes to the nature...

The man in the middle is, guide and master of those butterflies.There are small holes on him and butterflies come out with cables in his body,under the cloak...The small circle holes evocation to the circles on the wing of butterflies...It's not that understandable because image is small... But not so imortant to me..This is a detail and enough to me if someone realize it...Also I didn't want to interact him with the front one directly. He is just approaching to him. This is the approaching "end" for humanity... This is a scene that we dont know exactly what's happening... As the front guy don't... As we wont...

The man at the back is a figure as sembol a part and revenge of the nature. But he is a "human" too... Humanity is bringing it's own end by itself... THis is important also... So as you asked, butterflies are invading this human...And changing him to be a part of the nature as we can see it at the arboreal thing on mouth...There are three eyes now at the man... there are too much points at the eye of a butterfly and he is becoming a semi butterfly,nature part,human,mutant or something else...same as what we do to the nature...And more eyes...He will realize the fact...He will see better now...what we did!!!

One of your point, i like brush,pen strokes and painting-like forming to show pure treatment of illustrating...

I think too much to examine those thougthts with this image...And there are too much meaningful detail for me...

I really don't have any time because of the school and final project representations but i'll try to do many thing today and i may update at night...I'll submit it as "Final Colouring"... I will think about comments while doing the last applications...So your timing is very well..:)

I'm glad you matched my work with music... So you make it a musical...:rolleyes: I'll listen it.

Good Luck to you too if i didn't say before... Thank you and see you around...

[akahraman]

hi again my friend!:rolleyes:

Glad u like...About doing something hard...AT the begining i didNt think to do something hard or easy,i just want to do what i want. There are too much component here,i know...But there is too much thing to reflect about the subject. So i am happy doing this. I am unhappy that i don't have much time...But i guess we will never find the exact time we wish at all our own life..:)

I will work more today to reach the true final solution. Especially there is so much problem about the environment lighting. Anyway, i didn't try to get the bst solution at this stage. I just wanted to see all the components in front of my eyes...

Hey, its not a moon... Have ever seen a moon this shiny?..:):P Ok..This is the sun actually. symbolizing the waking up nature. I was effected a scene i saw before. There were dark clouds everywhere and no sun. Suddenly the sun showed its face through the clouds. It was looking nearly like this...It happened during the day. At my image, There are darkness...It's not a night time. It could be the middle of the day maybe morning i dont know... But here, nature was dead. Everytime is night and darkness...

I wathced street light at night yesterday to see what is the real lighting effect as in my image. I'll try to catch that visual...

I'll try not to breach of your trust. See you too...

[akahraman]

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Unlucky and Fool!

When i submit an image, I flatten all layers and i resize it to smaller proportions as you do...I did the same for my last submit...Then i exit the Photoshop program and when it asked me "do you want to save"...Guess which one did i click...! I realize this when i open the "psd" file many days later...with a shocking situation of course...Now, for my image;

I dont have any of the layer, i have a small size image and... i dont have a copy... And i have skilled very much about being fool or absent...

I just only could do several detail and changes for environment light and shadow here...


So i couldn't do most of the things i wanted... I give up...This is the final colouring and final image...

This was a great challenge that i've learnt too much in a very short time despite I am new at CGs...

Very glad to watch all your works in the challenge and how they are developing...

And... So so many thank you for your valuable and kind advices,comments and crits...

Finally the appreciation to the CGSociety for this succesful competition...

See you again...:)

[akahraman]

Berkay | individium |, i missed one of your advice, i read it but forget answering while posting...I'm so absent... You asked for the other butterfly masters. It would be a good sense and visual but you know this would break my symbolizing story-telling...Actually there is no "telling"...But small meanings for my job...Also, maybe he wont be one of them and there shouldn't be other butterfly master i thought...Anyway, thanks for advice and never give up for advices i like them too much.

[akahraman]

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BUTTERFLY INVASION

Begining is something’s end...

When “the journey begins”, the routine ends. This image is the work as i wish for ending a routine despite i know which will never. The never-changing is;

“Nature put the rules
Human break it...
This is the nature of the human”.

When humanity started to change the nature, it created itself. Changed more to become more "human". By the time, chemical disasters, nuclear wastes, wars, technological researches, concrete occupations were bringing the nature to an end. There were no possible breathing for earth.

Humanity realized that terror but too late. It tried to keep alive the nature by their same troubling ways. By the high technology. The earth was a bionic evergreen from that moment...

Natural selection developed very strangly after that. People's inability were growing day by day. But Nature was growing assertively... Gaining consciousness by the time and becoming strong against human.

Finally , vengeance was Nature's...

Reverse-invasion started. This may be called as choice of the GOD or chaotic fertility or natural selection or coincidental formation or fate... Who knows the result is evil or good. For both side. And what's side?...

Here by the context of this fiction, i depict a scene that a human is changing by the conquest of butterflies which are defined very innocent, weak and beautiful by the human also describes the human coming against the earth | nature | itself.

This journey happens in a new age. The main human figure will set up a new life with his new form of organism. The man at the backside approaching to the front who is a kind of a leader of these butterflies. The epic question appears at this moment... What will they have a journey for...? To save the humanity or to save the nature...? Which side do you prefer? No possible a “reasonable” way?...

Actually the opinion of the concept is about to my aggressive expression to humanity that annihilates pure nature. There is a subject at spotlight here the place I live that; most of the very beautiful pure coves being destroyed to build hotels and holiday resorts. I felt so bad that, there will stand no place that human charges by its own nasty creation. Of course, this is not a new thing but results are starting to achieve. Animal species exhausting fastly and global warming approaching effectively. I am afraid about demolishing life in the future which everything belong to, icluding human.

If I begin to analize the image visually; the man at the back is a figure as sembol a part and revenge of the nature. But he is a "human" too... Humanity is bringing it's own end by itself... There is too much paradoxes as they reveal at reality in our mind. Butterflies are invading this human...And changing him to be a part of the nature as we can see it at the arboreal thing on mouth...There are three eyes now at the man... there are too much points at the eye of a butterfly and he is becoming a semi butterfly,nature part,human,mutant or something else...same as what we do to the nature...And more eyes...He will realize the fact...He will see better now...what we did!!!

The man in the middle is, guide and master of those butterflies.There are small holes on him and butterflies come out with cables in his body,under the cloak...The small circle holes evocation to the circles on the wing of butterflies... He is approaching to the front one. This is the “approaching end" for humanity... This is a scene that we dont know exactly what's happening... As the front guy don't... As we wont...

There is the light as in the cross-question room from the top of the head of a criminal... I wanted people to query theirselves for their crimes to the nature...

Also one more point about human that I reflect how small is human… I like to reflect this feeling at my works. But here human is both small and big… Big, because it causes big results that’s not possible to turn back… Small, becouse irremediable results effecting itself and nothing to do…It’s more than “small” in the face of the eternity… Human always forget the fact that, it has a very short time in this life… A very short life… Just like a butterfly you know.

I would even like to symbolize the waking up nature by the sun showing its shiny face at this dark and hopeless world through the clouds… I lived that scene many years ago and I realize the life!..:) yeah,really, it was a great experiment…

Before I forget I want to remark, in the image the most beautiful thing is flowers to see…If they are not there, this image would look so miserable as an emotion.

All those details which I couldn’t touch all of them are meaningful to me and I tried to execute my concept by. I tell some of those things before at my posts and now writing them here again…

For my progress and stile, you see it is quite disengaged and paint-like work. I like to show the shapes and good detailed tastes with many brush works and strokes. I don’t finish all the areas of the image. I find a point to focus the composition. I used photoshop as utility and a wacom pen as equipment. I am not trying to reach the most realistic visual. I mostly recommend to illustrate, paint or draw by the reflection of my pure skill… Actually this image is the result of the quite basic photoshop.

[BlackDidThis]

Originally Posted by Alperen (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=220606);
Unlucky and Fool!

When i submit an image, I flatten all layers and i resize it to smaller proportions as you do...I did the same for my last submit...Then i exit the Photoshop program and when it asked me "do you want to save"...Guess which one did i click...! I realize this when i open the "psd" file many days later...with a shocking situation of course...Now, for my image;

I dont have any of the layer, i have a small size image and... I don’t have a copy... And i have skilled very much about being fool or absent... DAMN!!!
I REALLY know how painful that is... The similar happened to me around last year with the Master and Servant Challenge (HERE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=224026&page=7&pp=50))
But I was a little bit more fortunate than you from saving layered versions every one or two week… So what happened was that I lost all my updates for 2 weeks. And had to improvise best I could to give in a “Something”.
I guess I was luckier than you since I still had the Bottle as separate layers. Just not anything I had done to the man.

Though I had a very unfortunate two to three weeks (Health issue) all ogether at that time, and actually the mistake was also a result of this situation.


But what I did was start on the image once again on the WIP forums. I had given too much heart into making that image, so I had to revive it. What I went for this time was making it even MORE detailed than the last. You can take a look if you would want to HERE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=243981&page=1&pp=50)


Your image is outstanding... And it really tells me so much more after your reply.
There is a little bit of everything that would entitle nature’s revenge or our sins against mother nature.
I almost feel as if I should do the world a favour and kill myself to have one human less!

The expressionism of it is very strong and grotesquely outward. A great amount of what it conveys you have left for us to try and figure out… though the emotion of pain, torture and even vengeance is unmistakable.

What I am getting to is that you have a wonderful image, a wonderful composition here…
Take it and convert it into a painting… or use it as a base to have a long term project that has no deadlines attached to it.
Just try to imagine it this way: being able to hang it on your wall!
I am not going to insist... nor am I going to say go ahead do it right away… but the work is just TOO good to be able to turn your back onto.


And as for your submitted entry;
You stand a much higher chance than you actually think you may.
Your attention to detail is extraordinary; your style is distinctive, and as disturbing as it is… the image is great to look at!

As I read your notes... it just struck me on how much I had liked the flowers in the composition… It is a pity that there were not too many more of them around.
I guess we just destroyed too many beautiful things.


You have given us a chance to follow along an amazing journey Alperen (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=220606)...
Thank you!


And BEST OF LUCK!!!



Black

[akahraman]

Berter Akyol | Black |,

It is really nice to hear your sight about me. I started CGs here and will do more work to my CGfolio after this moment. For the future, your thoughts about me will be stand and i will keep them in mind.

I meet you in this forums nowadays. Actually i met to so much talented and hardworking artists.
It is good to know someone is there like u. I had a search at google for you and looked your projects at CGSociety you did as "black". I saw your image for the challenge before that you posted me.But i didn't see the problem you lived same as me before you mentioned. Result is quite good. But i must say, its much more better know at this challenge.:) Your stile is totally different than me which i like too much...:thumbsup:

I would like to turn back to my job but...Firstly i have too much work to do for the school and life..:P Also i think i reach the image near i imagine. I could tell enough the concept,feeling and i could show my handling or stile. I am here with too many words where i find an another empty parenthesis for me...This is good either.

Nice to meet you, |selam| say hello to your wife from me and to your baby:)... I wish healty for it and good lucks...Both babies which will born and which you're imaging...

Thanks for everything.

[tourajkh2001]

its really great dark journy nice effect and body gorgeous sketch also good luck man

[individium]

NOOOOO!

its really hard to believe that thing happened i always save 2 or 3 files becouse i do same kind of mistakes too.

is it the final uploading? is this the final image? can't you start all over again? have you used ftp? i'm shocked i dont know what to say.

by the way final image is looking much better and very good but i know if this thing have not happened you could have done better.

[akahraman]

Yes. I completed all the stages even ftp. No turn back.:wise: I thought this must be a sign... Signs dont always show the true way but,,,we need to follow'em...:P

And thanks. I hope to do betters as you wish after this great journey...Now you go on...best wishes to you friend...

[BlackDidThis]

It seems you are able to handle it very well!:applause:

There is not too much that any one (Even picky critics that type a lot :p) could really mess with in your final stag of your entry. Yes you are giving your story across.. and you are definately proing that you have a good control over your hand even for such complicated subjects.
It was shocking and deep inspite the gore.

None the less it never really hurts to have the file laying around in it's layered format. It is very sad to hear.
What I had done was I had not only pressed "Save"... but also managed to have a useless flattened image. And had to go back and colour things in to be able to give in in about two hours or so (Which was simply an act of destroying all the details in the image).

Flattered to hear of your search on the net...
CG-Talk is just about the only place my name would show up, as I preffer a low profile on that matter. I Am glad how ever that you liked what you saw, or that you are polite enough to help me feel good about it :)
Shall you wish to keep in touch still, I can gladly inform you if BlackDidThis.com finally gets functioning.


Well It was as great to know there are talents such as yourself... And a hope for even humans since aparently some of us are not as blind.


The BEST of lluck from here on...
You have followed a complicated path...
and arrvied victor!:thumbsup:


Black

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