Ooh?

[imashination]

Bacon crisping rack module. It needs the air circulation or else it goes soggy.

[Darth Mole]

You are a strange, strange man.

[ThirdEye]

Whatever it is it looks real good, i want that as my new splashscreen ;)

[Darth Mole]

I assume this is the thing discussed previously; something appeared on Maxon.de and then disappeared. Anyone spot any interesting details before it went AWOL?

[Creature]

This referes to this thread: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=347230

On a german c4d forum (http://c4dtreff.de/c4dforum/list.php?f=3) it is said that it's a MoGraph module which includes Jenna like features and sound driven animation. It's rumored that the module maybe released on April 22nd on the NAB (http://www.nabshow.com (http://www.nabshow.com/)) where Maxon has two booths.

But as Srek said this is not public information and shouldn't be discussed yet. Which is kinda hard since they had it on maxons webpage (even if it was by mistake). Is someone getting fired because of this? :)

[ChrisCousins]

Ooh?
Ooh!

But as Srek said this is not public information and shouldn't be discussed yet. Which is kinda hard since they had it on maxons webpage (even if it was by mistake).

Oh.

[Srek]

But as Srek said this is not public information and shouldn't be discussed yet. Which is kinda hard since they had it on maxons webpage (even if it was by mistake). Is someone getting fired because of this? :)
Noone will get fired :)
Someone did a search for deep links on our website and found some preliminary stuff. Interestingly even the few german users who read the text got it mostly wrong.
So nothing to do but wait and see, the only thing i can add is that it is very much worth waiting for.
Cheers
Björn

[Jonj1611]

Deep links ? It was a link from the home page where that image above is now.

It was a whole page dedicated to the new module complete with Quicktime demo videos.

Shame the last post got locked about it :(

Anyway it does look good.

Jon

[AdamT]

Just rumors and innuendo. But if it was real I'm sure it would kick serious a*s. :)

[Srek]

Deep links ?

It was a whole page dedicated to the new module complete with Quicktime demo videos.
The information shown was not available through the website. Deep Link means that the information was accessed and published without consent from Maxon.
The information is no longer available and i closed the old thread to stop unneccesary speculations.
The only thing this action by one person results in is a delay in release, because now we have to check the online content without beeing able to host it on the correct servers.
So please back to normal until there is realy something to talk about.

Cheers
Björn

[Darth Mole]

Well there's clearly a new release coming as the image on Maxon's site suggests. So I think we should be allowed to speculate on a public forum!

[Jonj1611]

Hi,

Hmm, ok, I know what deep linking is I run an affiliate website. Deep link does not mean what you said exactly, however, the information was on the website, it was on the front page for everyone to see, it was a missing image, you could even click on it.

No one went searching for any links!

Jon

[Srek]

it was on the front page for everyone to see, it was a missing image, you could even click on it.

Seems i was misinformed, the link was realy on the main page due to an error.

Sorry
Björn

[Jonj1611]

Well, whatever happens, I know I am upgrading very soon :)

Cheers
Jon

[JoelOtron]

Hal-le-lujah.

[darf]

Just rumors and innuendo. But if it was real I'm sure it would kick serious a*s. :)


LOL...

It should.

[ghopper]

LOL...

It should.

Nice - hopefully we'll see CPT integrated as well ;)

[soccerrprp]

What ever it is, coming from Maxon, and the track record as of recent, IT WILL BE WORTH THE WAIT!

Frankly, I can't wait!:bounce:

[ThirdEye]

Nice - hopefully we'll see CPT integrated as well ;)

CPT is a CoreArsenal product, not a Maxon one.

[ghopper]

CPT is a CoreArsenal product, not a Maxon one.

Yes, I know, but since it's not being developed anymore by Darf, I'm guessing, Maxon bought CPT/Jenna codebase and used it to create a new module - like Bhodinut shaders was bought years ago from Darf.

EDIT: I guessed wrong ;)

[unseenthings]

Yes, I know, but since it's not being developed anymore by Darf, I'm guessing, Maxon bought CPT/Jenna codebase and used it to create a new module - like Bhodinut shaders was bought years ago from Darf. If that's the case, big thanks to Maxon / Darf for keeping Jenna/CPT alive in some form.

Let me be the first to assure you that's not the case :)

It has been stated time and again that, thanks to the Bhodinut shader integration specifically, that in the future Maxon would write their own stuff rather than trying to integrate someone else's code into the core. It's often much easier to write something from scratch than to integrate something else (that was also written from scratch, and not built from the ground up with the intent of integration), and it's been noted a number of times that if, indeed, Maxon was working on something like this, they'd be doing it themselves.

and I think it's gonna really, really rock :)

[ghopper]

Let me be the first to assure you that's not the case :)
...
and I think it's gonna really, really rock :)

As I said - I was just guessing and let's see what happens on the 22nd. As long as it's gonna "rock" at least as much as Jenna/CPT, I think Maxon is gonna make alot of "MoGraphers" happy ;)

[ghopper]

Guess we don't have to wait for the 22nd, more info about the new module:

http://www.maxon.de/pages/products/c4d/modules/mograph/mograph_e.html

[Srek]

The new MoGraph module is a completely new development by Maxon.

Cheers
Björn

[darf]

The new MoGraph module is a completely new development by Maxon.

Cheers
Björn


Wow, came up up with that all yourselves?

WOW, IMPRESSIVE!

[Srek]

MoGraph targets those who need a tool like Jenna and much more. It's no secret that this kind of functionality is needed and that your plugin was the first to fill the need.
However the MoGraph Module is a complete new development and not based on your or other peoples code.
Cheers
Björn

[darf]

MoGraph targets those who need a tool like Jenna and much more. It's no secret that this kind of functionality is needed and that your plugin was the first to fill the need.
However the MoGraph Module is a complete new development and not based on your or other peoples code.
Cheers
Björn


Not my code, just my ideas. But that is another story isn't it?

[ThirdEye]

Not my code, just my ideas. But that is another story isn't it?

I can assure you this module has nothing in common with Jenna, both codewise and ideaswise, so don't worry about it.

[LucentDreams]

not really, same thing I see people do with particles all the time, I sat through a 3 hour workshop with the guys from Turner showing how they use maya's particles for lightwalls and simpel arrays and iterators, and houdini has been king of this stuff for ages, far more then Jenna, moGraph is honelsty the first thing to give houdini a run for its money, and frankly will probably kick some ass.

[unseenthings]

Here's my biggest question about it... (it looks killer, and then some!)

Will you able to render out sound with the movie?? I know there was a discussion about this a few months ago... and I know some other apps do it...

Can anyone "speculate" on that?

[Srek]

Will you able to render out sound with the movie?? I know there was a discussion about this a few months ago... and I know some other apps do it...
Nope, even with 9.6 you will still need to add sound in postproduction.
Cheers
Björn

[imashination]

Not my code, just my ideas. But that is another story isn't it?

The product you gave away free, and have currently withdrawn from the market entirely has been superseded by a superior product which doesn't have the disadvantage of being supported by a guy with monthly mood swings. Shame.

[unseenthings]

Nope, even with 9.6 you will still need to add sound in postproduction.
Cheers
Björn

Doh! Oh well... I can dream, I guess. :) In any case... it looks like you guys have taken a lot of great ideas and integrated them together, and improved on many of them... opening them up to Xpresso and the SDK.... that's killer. Nice job, Maxon! Now, where's the demo!! :)

[AdamT]

Not my code, just my ideas. But that is another story isn't it?
Some of the same ground is covered, but Mograph takes it much farther, is more user friendly, and covers a lot of ground that Jenna never did. The overall implementation makes it much more powerful and much more accessible.

I'd say that Shave vs. Maxon Hair is a pretty good analogy.

Anyway, darf, I'm sure you'll be spewing a lot of hatred over this, but IMO you have no beef here. If Jenna/CPT development hadn't been so incredibly erratic and unreliable I'm sure Maxon never would have undertaken this project. You deserve a *lot* of credit for developing great and innovative tools that brought many new users to Cinema, but you left all those users swinging in the wind.

[moka.studio]

I like Jenna and rely on its tools a lot, but I have been expecting fully- integrated tools of the sort shown on the Mograph videos for a long time. Looks promising.

[sketchbook]

Some of the same ground is covered, but Mograph takes it much farther, is more user friendly, and covers a lot of ground that Jenna never did. The overall implementation makes it much more powerful and much more accessible.

I'd say that Shave vs. Maxon Hair is a pretty good analogy.

Anyway, darf, I'm sure you'll be spewing a lot of hatred over this, but IMO you have no beef here. If Jenna/CPT development hadn't been so incredibly erratic and unreliable I'm sure Maxon never would have undertaken this project. You deserve a *lot* of credit for developing great and innovative tools that brought many new users to Cinema, but you left all those users swinging in the wind.

i have to concur here. everyone is greatful to you darf for your ideas and i would hope that you are happy for us die hard c4d users. jenna was and is a great product, but this will be even better. if you never used this module i would be shocked.

[darf]

The product you gave away free, and have currently withdrawn from the market entirely has been superseded by a superior product which doesn't have the disadvantage of being supported by a guy with monthly mood swings. Shame.

Your right.

JENNA was conceived and created in 2001. Maxons response was 'why do this'? Now they have a toolset that parallels alot of the toolset. Obviously it has nothing to do with it.

One of thge developers on the project requested code from me to create a version of displaceVIEW. Seriously, I am horrible at business, obviously. Do away with me, that is fine. But to say Maxon did this on their own? Laughable. They couldn't even conceive of it.

Ya'll got what ya wanted. Have fun.

[dfaris]

Your right.

JENNA was conceived and created in 2001. Maxons response was 'why do this'? Now they have a toolset that parallels alot of the toolset. Obviously it has nothing to do with it.

One of thge developers on the project requested code from me to create a version of displaceVIEW. Seriously, I am horrible at business, obviously. Do away with me, that is fine. But to say Maxon did this on their own? Laughable. They couldn't even conceive of it.

Ya'll got what ya wanted. Have fun.

Darf,

You did great work with your plugs and I hope this wont turn you off but instead make you do even better things. I did not use Jenna that much because I did not need it but I liked knowing it was there if I did neeed it.

[Freakazoid2040]

Darf,

You did great work with your plugs and I hope this wont turn you off but instead make you do even better things. I did not use Jenna that much because I did not need it but I liked knowing it was there if I did neeed it.

I didn't used Jenna that much either because it always crashed my Cinema.

cheers
fred

[ghopper]

I didn't used Jenna that much either because it always crashed my Cinema.

cheers
fred

CPT and Jenna works here without crashes experienced so far, so it might be something else that crashed your C4D setup, so no need to imply that Jenna caused the crash.

Jenna and CPT are one of the most innovative tools for C4D - and it's a shame it didn't work out for Darf financially. Would have loved to see more innovative tools from corearsenal, but it seems C4D plug-in development isn't a lucrative business - compared to Lightwave plug-in development for example ( see worley labs - that guy made more than $1m selling Fprime and his shader plug-in set )

[Fre]

TThe only thing this action by one person results in is a delay in release, because now we have to check the online content without beeing able to host it on the correct servers.

If you want to stop Google from spidering your temporary pages, just put this line in the temporary page it's head tag.

<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NONE">

[ThirdEye]

Jenna and CPT are one of the most innovative tools for C4D - and it's a shame it didn't work out for Darf financially. Would have loved to see more innovative tools from corearsenal, but it seems C4D plug-in development isn't a lucrative business - compared to Lightwave plug-in development for example ( see worley labs - that guy made more than $1m selling Fprime and his shader plug-in set )


Afaik Worley works on custom request too, his plugins are the result of his work for other parties if i'm not wrong. Also it's not that fair to compare F-prime to Jenna, while Jenna was a great tool it was developed and launched when the C4D userbase was smaller and also it's not as revolutionary as F-prime imo. If you wanna see some succesful C4D plugins just have a look at Mesh Surgery and Storm Tracer for example: developing good tools is one thing, keeping them up to date and marketing them properly is a totally different thing.

[ghopper]

... while Jenna was a great tool it was developed and launched when the C4D userbase was smaller and also it's not as revolutionary as F-prime imo. If you wanna see some succesful C4D plugins just have a look at Mesh Surgery and Storm Tracer for example: developing good tools is one thing, keeping them up to date and marketing them properly is a totally different thing.

Agree with you there - Fprime is an extreme example and I wasn't trying to compare it with Jenna/CPT obviously. Just wanted to show that other 3D plugin developers can make a living off their creations, and was wondering whether there are any C4D plugin developers who can mainly live off selling their plug-ins.

There are a lot of other innovative C4D plugins - Storm Tracer, FusionThing, DiTools, etc. However, I think those developers still need to have their day jobs (but only they know whether it's a lucrative business).

[LucentDreams]

Agree with you there - Fprime is an extreme example and I wasn't trying to compare it with Jenna/CPT obviously. Just wanted to show that other 3D plugin developers can make a living off their creations, and was wondering whether there are any C4D plugin developers who can mainly live off selling their plug-ins.

There are a lot of other innovative C4D plugins - Storm Tracer, FusionThing, DiTools, etc. However, I think those developers still need to have their day jobs (but only they know whether it's a lucrative business).

I'm sure a lot of them develop their tools for their day jobs first then clean them up for distribution, this is how Most of David's plugins were developed as well. Back when David was at his best, the cinema community was definitely not up to the demand that they are now.

[todd4cgi]

Wow, came up up with that all yourselves?

WOW, IMPRESSIVE!

While I enjoyed Jenna for its choices and power I don't think even its developers can claim it was "original" in concept. I've seen requests for such control coming from users of all 3D apps for years. Jenna provided the "service", but not the idea. It's been gestating in the minds of many developers.

Anyone paying attention to the development of 3D software over the years has seen multitudes of 3rd party plugins replaced by features added via upgrades. It's not new, and it ain't personal.

I, for one, am extremely excited about MoGraph.

[medula]

You are a strange, strange man.

No look at his hair.. he is made of bacon.

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