Pepeland need you help! One Short, Two Musics. Vote!

[Seemoo]

Hey

Wow, GREAT short! This short has the whole package; great story, great animation, unique style... Very, very cool!


As for the music.
I like the 2nd music better overall, since it is more dramatic. It also has a sad undertone which I think fits perfectly to the mood. However, the music doesn't build up to the blue guys big snap... Music doen't mach his jumping on the briefcase. I am also not thrilled about the big drum parts of that music. If you could place the drums where you would want them, maybe but they seem out of place sometimes... But the lighter tones match perfectly to the introduction of the blue guy!

The 1st version is a bit to happy for me.

Well, good luck on your vote.. :-)

Simon

[mttjss]

hey Pepe -

I have to totally disagree with Simon (Sorry Simon)
I thought the lighter music was a great fit for the mood of the story and blended nicely. The animation was very much on cue with the music and it had its swings at just the right time for the story. Very good idea.

I wish I had to only worry about which music I was going to add and not about the animation itself.

5* from me btw.

Matt -

[ShadowM8]

Great short.
I personaly enjoy the second version more as an overall tune but I think the first one fits the animation a little bit more. I voted for the second one though.

[jammin]

sweet job man; i really like this. overall, number 1 gets my vote althought there are places in the short where parts of number 2 would fit just great (tantrum scene, for one) and i really thought the final cut on beat with number two is a great touch (i sent you a comment on the poll, excuse the repetition)


really, really nice work.

[My Fault]

Another vote for the first one, the second didn't work at all for me.

Great, great job!

[blasphemy3_d]

Hi Daniel!

I think that the second option would fitt better on a more dramatic story. Since the message of the short is not so dramatic I preffer the first option. some people says that it is simple and it repeats itself so that´s why I think it fit perfectlly with the story.

A usual, great work with the animation, the story and the characters. I love the character face of "this is not exactlly what I wanted" hehehe

Congrats again Daniel!

[Norl]

The short is pretty good. Both music seemed to fit well with the short although the second music didn't hit right with the mood on some end parts while the first has a variety of tones that generally do well for the mood of the short as a whole. The lighter music of the first is more enjoyable for me to relate with the short than the second. Also, the way you allow the credits to appear according to the tempo of the first music is really appealing. Therefore, my personal preference would be the first as my voting choice.

[RobertoOrtiz]

WOW
Both versions deserve praise...
Plugged!

-R

[RobertoOrtiz]

OH BTW


I agree, version ONE is a better fit.

-R

[Young3D]

Hi,
first can i asking you wich soft did you use to animate the characters?( i think it's 3ds max but i'm not sure)
For me the 2nd one is better because:

*It is not looking like a loop track (the first does)
*It's completly fit with the movie

and i love the idea, the animation is like always, very very beautifull and you have your own style, i love that
good chance for the future

(sorry for my bad english but i'm sixteen and i'm french)

[KolbyJukes]

I'd definitely go with Version 1. Great short :)

[vilen13]

one..one.. one i choosed one

[mgard]

great job pepe..

i haven't seen your work for a long time. you were my mentor and hero..i mean still..
good to see your work in here..
both music are great for me
but i'd like first one..

again great job..

[metaballs2000]

The script is really impressive and the look is very nice.
I prefer the version 2 cause is more dramatic.
But it´s a very difficult choice. Both songs are amazing.

metaballs

[thimsj]

Version one. My friend even preferred that one too, and we both thought it was great but that you need a bit of change in the music when the dude freaks out. Otherwise great.

[Dennik]

Hey daniel. I love your new short! You are from the few people i'm looking forward to see more animations from. And this one made my day again! :)

I like the second music as its more dramatic, but i think the first music fits the atmosphere of your animation a bit better. Its kinda sad that the animation doesn't somehow synchronise with the music beat that much, but thats ok. Its still a great piece of work! Looking forward for more! :applause:

[paconavarro]

Hola Daniel, mira que es un corto barbaro, felicidades... en cuanto a la musica, creo que la version 1 es muy buena, la cuestion es que la version2 tiene un beat mucho mas sincronizado con la historia... pero me distrajo de la animacion... por eso creo que la uno seria mi opcion, distrae menos y por lo tanto creo que es mas adecuada... aunque quizas eso se da porque ya conocia la historia al ver la version 2 y me concentre mas en la musica.

Saludos desde Mexico... :)

[Mylenium]

I voted for the first one (because it better matches the animation timing), but in all honesty, I didn't particularly like either of the songs. They sound very synthetic and have no acoustic depth. It's like Yann Thiersen music without Yann Thiersen. He uses repetitive patterns a lot, but varies them ever so slightly, it breaks monotony and keeps your ear open.

Mylenium

[vANON]

gotta go with the first one. The second was very dramatic, too dramatic. And also, you've edited the movie to fit the music better in the first :thumbsup:. Odd postwork, but really nice work.

[Ranimate]

Awesome job!
First one is the one I like, the second one could fit if the blue guy gets a stroke suddenly and dies...:cry:


Ranimate

[shuggie]

Yeah I think I prefered the first one, I really like the character, very expressive face and nicely animated, the only thing I didn't like was the big reveal moment felt very similar to a shot in the pixar short for the birds.

[bleumoon]

First of all, I have to say fantastic work. It's a great short from conception to execution. I don't think you'd go wrong with either verision.

With that being said, I like version 1 better. I think it's more up-beat and light-hearted which is more in line with the feeling of the short. Also, I think the timing works better.

[Ls3D]

I watched it with NO SOUND and loved it!

I might add I've come to expect nothing but quality animation from pepeland. Congratulations and I hope your school is very successful!

-Shea





DIVX Banners? Bailed the upgrade.

[niEt0]

Hola Dani!

Very nice short... as always! :) , the blue character´s expresions are quite funny and the storytelling is just perfect.

About the music .. I prefer the first one, but I think it need some FX-sounds and sometimes music has to stop, for example when he stops and start to jump on the handbag, adding those things the viewer will get more involve with the tale IMHO.

Anyway! the short is brilliant and very well done! :)

...and a question.. for how long did you work on it?



5 stars from me!!

[ilusiondigital]

Fantastico corto Daniel, la primera version para mi (y mi mujer) con diferencia mejor que la segunda, te felicito.

PS: Es curioso fuistes profe de mi profe de animacion, hehehe.

Saludos y a si te acercas algun dia por la costa del sol pasate por la escuela que te estaremos esperando con los brazos abiertos (ahora empiezo a impartir clases yo tambien alli)

[d_jnaneswar]

A huge fan of yours here...

Great work as always!
As for the music, for the time being, im gonna view it in mute to learn the animation part of it.. hehe.. so it doesnt matter much in short term for me.. as of the shortfilm itself, I think the first one fits.

Keep churning out great stuff! and if you can, please make that spanish pepe-school-land to english.

Thanks for all those great little animations that u have on ur site.. I learnt a lot from them, not to mention the inspiration they roused in me..

dj

[tevih]

Great little film! :)

I liked the first one best - the music seemed to fit the story arc better and I preferred the upbeat feel it had, as well.

[BLX]

Very nice work, Daniel. The expressions are great and very nice short story. Personally I liked the first one. To me, the music suggests a happier tone to the overall story. The white guys just ended up copycat blue's style but doing what they were doing all over again. So the music gives it a "This is how it works, you can't change it...Sigh" kind of bitter and abit overly sweet kind of story. At first when I saw the blue guy started to jump on his briefcase and the others just watched him, I thought the rests were going to jump on theirs too and going "Screw this! We have to change!" But that would perhaps puts the story too linear. Anyway, I think a break or abit more serious tone to where blue goes crazy would be a great add. Keep it up!

[JohnnyRandom]

version one would be my pick of the two.
I think the music works very well fantastic actually, noticed a couple spots were the pupils in the eyes where hitting beats, hah that made me giggle:D

wonderful piece! good to see something new come from a much admired animator:thumbsup:

[KARRYPOTTER]

Hey Dani, it really is an amazing work, i just love it. I like both of the music tracks but if i had to choose it would be the version one. five stars definetely.

Congratulations for such a fantastic job buddy.



Karry

[rawwad]

Briliant work!

Just love it! It is excellent :bounce:
Lovely characters and great story, true at first, haha :)
I much love version two,I love the music in it a lot, great song.
From where do you have this music?

Congratulations :applause:

[Melvil]

Awesome short!

I agree with the majority, the first one is better. In my opinon, the music in the first one really helped tell the story, while the second one was just there during it. And I just think it fit with the cutting and events better.

[BartokDesign]

Your work is great , I cant decide also wich version is better , but I agree that the second one is heavier. I think I would pick the first one.
good luck
:thumbsup:

[ilasolomon]

Hola Daniel,

The Image is PERFECT! ... Awesome, excelent, beautiful, Impressive, ...

And about the music, My vote is for #2, but I asked my wife about it and she picked #1! ... sorry! :-D

But If I were you I'd let someone make an original music for it with your direction, plus some sound fx.

Ila

[SpaceKid]

I prefer numero UNO!! the music seems to be more interesting for me compared to number 2 which kind of depressed me :eek: and also with the 1st animation the timing of the music goes well with whats happening in the animation, the walk cycle and the reaction on the characters! well done with the animation, keep at it! :thumbsup:

[sphere]

Version 1 fits well with the light-hearted, stomping on the bag sort of scenes and version 2 fits well with the monotonous marching scenes.

Isn't there a way you can combine both of them to use them where they fit in?

[Drake83]

Great animation!
I personnally prefer the first one :)

[isaak]

Hi Dani!
First of all...for me the VERSION ONE it´s better than the other, because it´s on the style short, just perfect.
About the short, man, I think always you have a high potential, cool character, cool postproduction, cool animation, but on this short I like very much the expresions of the character, they really transmited me his feelings, and this is very important for me.
So, waiting to see your next work!

Isaak

[rwijaya]

Nice animation, nice character design too, I love the UPA touch :D !!!
I don't like both of the soundtrack though, i think it will be nice if the animation could sync with the background music that you going to use. I just think it will add alot to a short piece like this one.

Its just my opinion :)

[itayg]

the perfect short. great story and animation. really made me smile. :love:
as for the music i voted for the first version.

[Timewaste]

Nice work and very emotional character(s)!
it's really a hard choice, both versions have completely different moods and both songs
fit great. but I tend to version 2, because I find it more touching in concert
with the story and you matched the music a little more "detailed" to the animation and cuts.

[CarlCampbell]

I'd go with the FIRST ONE, no doubt about it... when he gets mad in Version 2 and the guys stare at him à la "for the birds" it really didn't work for me as well... The first track is very playful and fits in at all times IMHO; starts off giving a routiney feel with the boring monotony that's conveyed in the story, then serves it seems to become ironic and contrasty with the main character getting mad, and finally it settles down again when everyone applauds him and it starts over.

I really loved the story and the music in Version ONE really warmed me inside :)

Saludos de un CICERO ;)

PD: Por cierto... si no es mucho pedir, a ver si nos cuentas dónde encontraste estas piezas tan bonitas...

PPS: Now that I think about it... I think version TWO has more of a dramatic power, reminds me of some 'American Beauty' pieces... oh, but the thing with the credits going with the music in ONE is so cute... argh! I FINALLY understand your fustration! Best of luck...

MY FINAL DECISION IS "VERSION TWO" :cool:

Are these royalty free tracks by the way? I'd really love to know more about these tracks... if you're at liberty to say, of course... :)

[Xform]

I voted for number one, just because it was more light-hearted and went with the overall style in your ani. I just have to add that just after the blue guys trys to calm the other ones down the rightmost grey guy tie is flickering red/grey. Im sure you've must have seen it...not sure if Im making any sence here...anyways good work! Both were fantastic in their own special way :p

[Spc]

Awesome animation.
Both versions are very good but I think the first version is a little better.

:beer:

[6foot5]

great short, i preferred version 2 , the music seemed more apt...the regimented rythm of the cello(was it a cello?? my music knowledge is crap) suited the uniform marching of the characters - but the first piece was nice too, its not often the same edit suits two contrasting scores so well

[Windmill]

I watched them both and originally thought the first was better, without a doubt, seemed to fit much better in mood and timing.

I then looked at the 2nd a few times, because always with things like this, I am always biased to the first one I see. After watching the 2nd one alone a few times, trying to reset my mind, then flipping to the first, it seemed the other way around. For me, different versions of the music were stronger in parts but weaker in others.

Obviously both versions give very different undertones to the story/message, Since both versions 'fit', I guess it's up to you what you want to convey.

Not helpful I know, so If I would have to choose one it would have to be the second, but only because I respond well to heavier stuff (matter of taste). I could easily go the other way, I can definitely see the appeal of the first version.

[ultrasandwich]

Hey Dani, congratulations, very very nice short!!! :applause:. I think he looks a lot like you! :p

I like a lot the blurry color effect, is it render effect or is it post production?

I prefer the second version, the changes in the music happen with the changes in the rythm of the animation and it for me it has a mechanical feeling that fits better with the story.


Coool!!:buttrock:

[squeezestudio]

Hi Daniel,

Thats a really great short you've done, nice character and great story... Ive prefer the first one for the audio...

So, nice job again, thats was cool to see new 3D stuff from you

Congradulation!

[zukezuko]

I enjoyed this one very much!
Just a thing here : Number two is my choise, there is a much deeper feeling
coming from that music than from No1
Also this music is a bit more sad, as it should be.

niiice

[Arrrgh4life]

I cant get it to download:sad:. It goes up to a different % each try, then just completely freezes. Mirrors?

[Cral]

I liked Version1 much more :)

[stevenhughes]

an excellent short, I espically like the flick of the tie over the sholder

The music: if I had to choose between the two it would be the first one. I prefer the industrial start of the second one more, but it never went anywhere, nor did it climax when the blue guy loses it (which would have added to the emotion). I like the way the first one matches the end credits though. Can't you mix the two together? start industrial, go all happy after his little episode and end on a high?

Later
Steve

[agasco]

Hey dani! great to see this short done.

After watching it couple of times.... i gotta go for the first one forsure, its more fun and makes more sense, also it made a big smile on my face .

Congratulations!

nos vemos tio ;)

[bigquix]

I vote for the second one,
but...
why have you chosen a continuous theme for the music, Daniel? I think it would be better if the music changes with the mood of the scenes; for example when the blue character cuts the queue and starts jumping...

[deranger]

I don't think the first one goes with the animation very well. When the guy gets mad it doesn't change enough. The second piece captures the mood of the animation much better I feel. I really think you should go with that one.

Kudos on the animation btw, excellent style. I love the noisy texture to the whole thing.

[Obraxis]

Version 1 seems to fit (for me at least) better. I can see why you might consider 2, but it's very down and depressing. The light hearted soundtrack of No.1 goes well with the nature of the film.

Very well done! :)

[Baskiat]

Without a doubt: first one!

[ttiotx]

Your short animation is very fuuny.I really like it.First it is difficult to choose, both of them are very fantastic. I prefer the second one because it fits the characters movings.their steps I mean, and I want to say; usually music is as important as the animation but this time it doesnt make any difference at all.Reason is two of them are fit your animation I think.Good luck.

[Jadetiger]

Bravo! very funny.

[Rivendale]

Hi Daniel, great short! Very nice animation and cool character.:)

I think I'd go with the first one. The second one fits very good in the beginning but overall the first one fits better and adds more to the irony of the piece.

cheers,
CML

[Arrrgh4life]

Yay, got it to work, had to use internet explorer. And I have to say man, that is great. I loved it. For the music, I would pick the first song. Awsome story, awsome animation

[3dcga]

Version 1 gets my teeny weeny vote :p


Good story and animation :)

[rblitz7]

Animation seems more funny then dramatic so I choose the first one. Great short too!:thumbsup:

[ratatat]

hi daniel... sweet shortfilm and great animation. I really liked the first sound track, but after listening to the second one I can see why it would work. Maybe someones already suggested this, but I think it would be great to hear both of them in your film.

I would suggest putting the second sound track for the first half, cut to silence when the audio climaxes on the 'tie pop' and stomp on his briefcase, then continue with a fade in with the 1st sound track when the others peer around each other. On this fade in i would continue where the sound is originally placed for the first sound track.
Hope that wasn't too confusing. I think it would bring more of a dramatic hint and give the audience some variation. Also the silence while he's stomping would create anticipation for what's next to come.

Great work and I look forward to seeing the final outcome.
Cheers :applause:

[plug5]

short film is very cool.
do u use Anold render?? :)


i chose version 1.

[Mio]

:cool:

version 1 is my choice~~

well done! great short!

[aesir]

2nd version, NO QUESTION.

my biggest gripe is that the first version doesnt fit for all the parts while hes angry

[stuh505]

I think there is additional bias towards version 1 on this thread due to the fact that version 1 is played first.

You watch a NEW film with version 1 music, you watch a film you've already seen when you get to version 2 music.

After watching both, version 1 seemed better...but upon going back and watching for a second time, version 2 is definitely better.

[KOKE]

Great short man.

I would say version 2 is better, but for me version 1 seams closer to the on screen action.

So my choice is...... version 2 I think... lol

Both are great.

:applause:

:D

JK.

[detached]

#1. Great job by the way.

[TAMcCullough]

My opinion is that it can only work truly well with both. Edited together. Because the first one is light, and suits when he is being praised and the second fits the march. It sounds very much like the same musician, can't this person combine the two?

[snowkiwi]

Genius.

I can't decide either. They both are superb.



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[snowkiwi]

I was thinking, if you can't decide then they both are equal in value. If they both are equal, why throw either one away. Each one stands good on their own. And no gem should be thrown away. I agree with TAMcCullough. Use them both as one. I think they compliment each other.

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[scroll-lock]

Bravo! Although I like the second music more, The first one fits better in the animation ! Congratulations ! Nice short!

[JesseDavis]

after watching the first one, the music in the second half of the second one seemed innapropriate after halfway through, but i liked it for the first half. The first one gets my vote.

[lowkey]

Great work. Very well done!

In regard to the music I'd recommend trying a mixure of both soundtracks in different parts of the story.

The music of part 2 for example perfectly fits the machine-like marching of peons to work (beginning/ending), while the music of part 1 beautifully emphasizes the relief after breaking the routine and the congratulation scene thereafter.

I know it's not easy to merge both pieces together seamlessly for they are really different from one another. But maybe this is just a hint in another direction?!

Have fun! :thumbsup:

EDIT: Oh, TAMcCullough (member.php?u=197950) already said something similiar, so I'd love to fully second that!

[zurfer]

My first thought was exaclöy that of Lowkey. Try combining the track for the differnt parts of the short.

The first upbeat verison makes the film easier to watch but you don't feel the impact of the theme as much as in the second one.

As it stand now I have a hard time voting since my favorite will differ as much as my mode over the day. If I want to feel lighter and want a joke, the first one is my favorite and if I feel a bit more serious, the second one is the best. For the most part I think I like tha second one more though since there are a bunch of easy shorts out there and it is nice to see one with a bit of weight.

Peter

[osgii]

hooooo man, is that you??
Roooooo..... You have to know that I'm an old fan of pepeland! When I was young, and beginning to learn modeling in 3Dimentions, with Max, I was watching your works with admiration!

How is great to see you here!

[Blip]

Hey, great short. About the music, neither piece really hits the beats of your film. But if it's strictly an A or B choice, I'd go with the second one, it seems to more closely match your theme.

[pepeland]

I like a lot the blurry color effect, is it render effect or is it post production?
:buttrock:

Hola Dani (ultrasandwich)! nice to read you :)

It´s production, the final render has three passes, Flat color with blur, Occlusion and Masks

http://www.daniel3d.com/pepeland/animata/changes/copi_compo_pepeland.jpg



http://www.daniel3d.com/pepeland/animata/changes/inter_01_pepeland.jpg

http://www.daniel3d.com/pepeland/animata/changes/inter_02_pepeland.jpg

Take care and thanks to all for the comment and suggestions :)

Daniel

[cyberluigi2k]

So... its Maya!!! :eek: just kiding!!
I really like it mate, and this was just to test and go back to the short production... what are you planing next??
As I told you yesterday I like more the first version, but watching it again I really like the begining with the second version, the problem is that the second version creates a felling that something else is going to happen, maybe the option of combininig both of them is good... anyway I stay with the First one, but i had to say that i liked more the begining with the second one

You're the boss man! :applause:

[Ron Martin]

Very nice one!

With the music i would vote for the 2nd one though it has to be retimed a bit. But to be honest i don't like both so i missed that third button of choice. They sound a bit too much like royality free elevator music and don't contribute to the character and style of the whole thing.

[smoluck]

Personnaly I would like to say that the 2 version was pretty good, but I think that the second was boring and fined rythmed (kind of military music) as need for the first part of the short ( after applause ) and the first one would be great for the second part of the short, because it's more happy... You should balanced your music between two part maybe, and leave an eloquent silence at the middle of the short too get more dramatic and funny reaction !

I vote Second instead of the first because the end was not the end as the character wanted ;-) so bad day for him. bye and good luck.

[bytework]

I like the expressions that you give to the faces.
I voted the first music

[metamesh]

Hey Dani!

Really nice short! congrats! about the music i'd choose the 2nd one...i found the first one a bit annoying...? yeah the 2nd one!

Btw how are u finding the move from max to maya?
Keep posting and best of the luck with ur school!

[bobtronic]

great animation, I voted for the first music.

Bob

[Loulu79]

:wise: Version one fits the character and the mood....and the Mundane Theme in your story. The second one has drama...yes. But it doesn't change for the snap nor any climatic highs. And the first one has more omph to your character's character.

[michael-olszak]

like your stuff a lot. nice work, awesome video's man.


keep it up.

[doublerr]

well,
great,:thumbsup:
another vote to the 1st version.
although i like the starting part for 2nd version . it conveys a different mood for the story.

[Frinsklen]

Great. As always, what I love the most is the simplicity of the idea. Fun to watch, beautifully animated.. it has it all :)


More than choosing a vesion, i will try to compare the two.

- The first one sounds more "animation" like. Fun, cute, fits well with character design. I think it works very well. And I love the way you synchronized the credits, something I miss when I watch the second version, heh.

- The thing about the 2nd version is that it fits more with the whole idea of the short, I think. Helps understand the feeling of monotony, etc, because it is a march. It adds a greater sense of concern and interest, while the cuteness in this case is given by the animation itself, and feels like there is more contrast. Bad thing is I'm not sure I like the way it ends (it cuts suddenly, maybe not completely natural) and may turn slightly reiterative at the end.

Anyway, forf both versions, the fact that the music doesn't stop or change its mood during the whole short, gives it an interesting sense of continuity that makes it more original somehow.


oh, I've noticed the lack of motion blur, what's the reason for this?


Enhorabuena Dani, un saludo!

[mariam]

i vote for version 2 , actully both of them are great but for me ..the second one fits the idea more

i like ur style very much , simple idea and simple characters and that what i like in it .... the animation is very nice too , good job :)

[elnady]

Good job daniel

The first one is the best, cause it's fuuny music and it go with the story flow
Great :)

[Slurry]

Wonderful animation! Really great!
As for the music, to be honest, neither one does the animation justice. They are both ok but neither strengthen the piece.
Music shouldn't be something that is added in or layered on as an afterthought.

I would strongly suggest having an orignal piece composed that suits the film. THe music should shift with the emotional changes of the main character.
Neither musical piece accomplishes that.

I know it can be expensive to create original music but maybe you can get a a student or recent grad to donate their talents for a portfolio piece.

If you want to stick with the two choices you have presented, I would go with #1. The second piece is better suited at the start, but when it doesn't change mood, it is very noticable. The first one just sort of plays on unnoticed which is the lesser of two evils in my opinion.

Great work as usual Daniel. A good concept that was executed perfectly.

Art

[carlmentier]

hola daniel,
very good animation, (no puedo votar porque soy sordo :(, iqual tu corto mola mucho eh)
un saludo!
Carlos Parmentier.

[UnlikelyCorny]

The second track works better I feel, because it creates a connection between the sound and the visuals.

At the same time I do feel that that link gets lost as soon as the little blue man goes bezerk. It would have been nice if a heftier kind of music would take over, communicating the outburst audiowise as well.

Now it feels like the march goes on soundwise while we its being halted visually.

my two eurocents.

[rip]

Wonderful animation! Really great!
As for the music, to be honest, neither one does the animation justice. They are both ok but neither strengthen the piece.

im agree with Slurry, anyway the short animation is awesome and fits this school of thought that say less is more. I like this "haiku" animation...(- + -). The elegance of the simple things.
Best Regards.

[Waha]

version 1 has a more comedy touch while version 2 sounded more inspirational...


I go with version 1

but you might want to look at the red ties turning white, I noticed it happened twice, one of them is around the first 1min 14sec...it keeps flashing and it disturbed me, good work anyway

[Mikademius]

Very good Mr. Lara.
I like the overall feeling and the character is so emotional even though he has subtle movements. Very good acting here.

About the mucic:
I fell for nr. 1 the first time I saw it and I have to say that I still do. It also looks like this is the music you intended to use when you created it. The second one is an attempt that isn't that well thought through compared to the first. It fits the animation better.

Nr. 2 gives me an equilibrium feeling and a "corporate bastards" feeling. This fits the mood, but not the animation the same way nr. 1 does...

Soooo. My vote went to $vote[0] ;)

[wtoddk]

Muy bueno Daniel...me gusta muchísimo. I think the cameras, editing, and post-production style add a lot to the animation. Nice work.

I already voted on your site, but I'll repeat it here that I went with song number 1. I think it's a nice rhythm for the animation...more upbeat. The 2nd song just is so repetative...a little tiresome, in my opinion, and it's very, very cinematic.

Nice to see another animation by you finally!

Good luck with the new animation school, dude!

Saludos de Barcelona!!!

Todd

[yagi2000]

Great short. I prefer the first music piece!

[Hoser]

Wow. Nice short. The first fits better and makes the animation more enjoyable. The second one is far more dramatic, but the tantrum doesn't fit (as people have already mentioned).
But fantastic idea and execution!

[maneeacc]

hahha.... well done... as it seems... even the posters here are split down the middle...

i like the first one... cause i think the pase of the animation goes with the music... the second one seems to be a bit off... maybe if you changed the speed of the animation by a bit it would fit in....

just my two cents of thought...

[patbb]

First one. But both doesn't fit the entire short.
There should be some editing done.

A more serious and dramatic music on the beginning, then a lighter music after he freaks out (like the first version)
And something for when the character jump and go crazy. (to me, even complete silence when he go crazy would be better then no change in the music at all)

I like this short, even if i'm not a big fan of some of the fast cut, and have some small critics about the animation (like when the character walk at the end, every step he takes the pupil get lost in the head)

And great design for the character too, kind of remind me of la linea (http://www.koreus.com/modules/news/article2466.html)

good luck with your school!

-p

[Darknessseeker0]

I think the first song goes much better with the mood of the short. The second one sounds like something really big is about to happen but never actually does. The first song is a much better choice.

[hopper2k]

i like the first song as well. great short overall.

[dalmanna]

Great short.
I personaly enjoy the second version more as an overall tune but I think the first one fits the animation a little bit more.


quoted for agreement :thumbsup:

would use the first for this as it syncs up better.

[eFDay]

I prefer the second version , 'cause the music fits better the dramatic stupidity of the situation.
and good job !

[Kaspaas]

Second one.

[SkaIsGrrrreat]

It's simple as the second one doesn't convey the story as well towards the end of the short. The first is the way to go.

[muckymouse]

Awsome short.. I'd have to say number 1 is more fitting and thats what matters most.. You're style is a bit to cartoony too fit the sad tone of the second song.. And the silly parts don't work with the second song ( for example the 'for the birds' shot when the characters peek out from behind the guy in front).. It is a tough choice tho I think musically the second better.. You should just wait and use it in another short..

good luck thanks for sharing!!

=RUNYON

[Erith]

Ciao!
For me number 1!!!
I would to ask..
The facial animation you did with blend shapes or with cluster/joint?

Nice nice nice! Keep it up!


Sorry for my bad english!!!

[Bentagon]

Great short! I prefer the first one as well, because it felt animated to that music, but I don't mind the second at all. I feel like you shouldn't let a poll decide what to go for... just try to think about what you wanted to tell, what you tried to get accross with this film. If you went for comedy, then it's the first one all the way. But the charm in the second one lies in how it feels like a social criticism. It feels like you're saying that everybody always follows the hypes, nobody thinks for himself anymore. You just have to decide whether you wanted to say that, or just wanted people to laugh.

- Benjamin

[zman]

Great work !
I can understand your dilema. I went through both of them several times and both of them are good. Both have their advantages and dis-advantages.
to be more helpfull ...
The first music makes me feel more warm and fuzzy inside so I'd go with it :)

[mahir]

Congratulations on a wonderful short. Love the style and the story idea.
I prefer the 1st version (and voted such at the poll).
Keep up the good work!

[shenmue]

QUE CRACK.....

(version en ingles:What a crack)

[harmonic01]

Hey Daniel. I'm a huge pepeland.com fan and your animations are always a pleasure to watch and inspiring. :D

I also find the first one fitting better.

Congrads on an awesome short. :buttrock:

[bartabac_99]

The 1st One is the best :) it really seems to be written especially for your short ...
The 2nd one is too much orchestral and doesn't seems to be synchronized with the animation at all.

A mi me gusta mucho la primera canción amigo ;)

[annihma]

Hola Daniel,
Sin duda excelente el Short, buenísima animación como todos tus trabajos, las expresiones del personaje están super bien logradas y comunican.

Me gustaría saber cuanto tiempo te tomó el corto?, sin contar el diseño del personaje que al parecer ya lo tenías.

Sobre el audio, ninguna de las 2 me acaba de convencer 100% pero sin duda la primera está mucho mejor, tiene un aire melancólico y un tiene la parte tensa y profunda de la temática.
Sin duda la primera.

Salu2

[Aearon]

Hi Daniel,

i read something about this in a spanish interview before, it's great to see the finished short, great idea and execution :)

i definitely liked the second version better, i think it's because the beats worked better for me the way you cut the short to it. i think the first version is too mellow for the plot



there's one thing that bothered me. i think some of the faster animation shown in close up 'strobes', you know like a fast movement animated on 2's in classical animation, the eyes have a hard time connecting the frames into a flowing movement. i think you really need motion blur for these sequences. i'm watching on crt monitor by the way.

[Michael5188]

Hey, great short. Very clever idea, I liked it! When they were applauding and the one guy nods as he puts the tie on his head, I don't know why, but it made me laugh. Good job.

As far as music, I have to say I don't think either really fit. :sad: The reason is the emotion in the animation changed, pretty drastically, and yet both soundtracks stay the same the whole time. It really felt off to me in both versions how there was no change in the music when he blew up and jumped on this suitcase. Have you considered having a friend creating music just for it? Or doing it yourself? I know that's not easy whatsoever. I'd tell you which one I liked more but I don't think I could choose, both evoke a different emotion, and I think you should choose depending on what emotion you want.

Seems from the posts here, 1st one is heart warming, and 2nd is dramatic.

But the animation and story were really great, I like it a lot.

[pepeland]

Hi Daniel,

it's great to see the finished short, great idea and execution :)

there's one thing that bothered me. i think some of the faster animation shown in close up 'strobes', you know like a fast movement animated on 2's in classical animation, .
HI Aearon!

I must say that the idea is truly inspired by a comic strip of "Quino" a Argentine drawer, is one of my favorites!

About strobe effect, is true, I was searching a "hard" effect, but may be it´s too much.


Take care

Daniel

[pedrobascon]

Me ha parecido realmente una obra maestra, sabiendo exactamente lo que esta expresion significa. felicidades, por la simplicidad, la belleza y el mensaje.
bueno, me quedo con la primera. creo que la segunda empieza bien, tiene un tono más dramático que quizá se ajusta mejor a lo que se cuenta, pero llega un momento en el que se separa, haciendo que la narracion vaya por un lado y la música por otro.

nada mas, hala, a disfrutar.

[Mikademius]

Hi again.
Hope I'm not asking too much here, but I'd like to see a screenCapture (video) on how your rig works:)

[Geco]

Hi again.
Hope I'm not asking too much here, but I'd like to see a screenCapture (video) on how your rig works:)me too, please Daniel :)

[loocas]

Heya pepeland man!

This animation was totally awesome! :buttrock: I loved it!

As for which one I preffered? The first version!

Keep the great work up mate, all the best!

Oh, btw: http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/rating/rating_5.gif from me :D

[Ivan del Rio]

Pasa Dani,

Very nice idea, I love the realisation, rithm, animation and all things, really. I agree with You this is the first piece that You can call "Short film" cause this litle idea is really telling a story. Is´nt easy to tell a story only in a couple minutes is common to fall in the gag formula. I would like to see all of them breaking the line or so instead of go on with a little change (the tie on the head), but this is only a point of view I don´t want to be critic with the script because the important thing is that We can understand exactly what are You saying here, and is a very good metaphora.

Other thing that I would like to highlight is the resources optimisation, You´ve used the same cycles and the same character in almost the whole short, and works perfectly.

About the music, if I have to choose one of them I choose the first version, but dude, surely now is very late for this but, I think as more people here that Your shot would have more dramatism and would be stronger if a musician compose a custom music for this short, cause both of them seems like a song over it, not as an element to help to tell the story at all, I dunno if this cause much sense....

- GREAT short film mate.

Un saludo,
Ivan.

[blasphemy3_d]

The more I see It more I like the version one


JJ

[pepeland]

Hi again.
Hope I'm not asking too much here, but I'd like to see a screenCapture (video) on how your rig works:)


Yes, sure, I´ll make a couple of videos showing some techniques that I used in the short :).

Bye:)

[Zorrino]

I vote soundtrack #1.

The only thing to point out in your short is that the plot resembles too much a comic strip published by Argentinian comic artist Quino. Other than that, your short looks great in every aspect.

[Cernunos]

the best... of all times... very creative

[wesware]

Wonderful animation.
Well done.

I hate to say this but I don't feel like either audio clips tell the whole story of what you have going on here. If I had to pick I would say number 1. 2 is too dark for the entire short.

Preferably, the audio would start out more like number 2 at first, then as he becomes the hero it could morph to more like number 1, then ending with more of a quirky poppy version of number two as he finds himself back in the same hole he was at the beginning (like number two but with a little more humor). All this said knowing that I haven't the slightest clue what I'm talking about and I'm guessing you might just want to be done with it all :)

[siquier]

Much better the first one :thumbsup:
The second one doesn´t fit with the movie

Congrats Daniel, good work.

[kerr]

Wow! very cool!!! I like the version one.... congratulations!

[Sc0rPs]

Fun animation! As for the music they both work quite well but the second seem to be a little better on timing.. so have to vote for the second!

[itayg]

Yes, sure, I´ll make a couple of videos showing some techniques that I used in the short :).

Bye:)

that will be great thank you :bounce:

[Houkah]

great animation! I think the music completely changes the feel of the animations and the animation itself seems more lighthearted so i voted for version 1.

[moush]

I definitely vote for the 1st one! And hey amazing concept..I just loved it! :love:

[vitorvilela]

Hey Daniel, what'sup man!

Terrific work as usual my friend!

I love the first music, it fits much better than the second one.

C-Ya
Vitor Vilela

[nomadicrain]

I love the short. Great story. It communicates very well. I personally like the 2nd piece. The music fits the monotony better and the tension it creates builds nicely to the characters explosion. I just think after this point the music needs a change. But great story and animation. I love the style of the render as well.

5 stars from me :thumbsup:

[General Midi]

1.


2 feels too depressing.



Cute short btw

[ekah]

I loved the animation and the story. I loved everything.

I voted for the first version, but I may have voted for the second version if it was shown first. I also agree with wesware's comment that it would have been nice to change the music as the mood changed in the story. Start with the second version (more moody) and somehow end up with the first version (more upbeat) towards the end.

In any case, fantastic work, as always. :)

[CarlCampbell]

A lot of people seem to be categorizing the second track as a gloomy depressing tune. Personally I feel that it conveys the drama of the situation much more whilst version one, although seemingly more attractive almost falls into the 'animation genre' of music, and that's why I find V2 more fitting.
The piano tune in V2 subtracts from the monotony of it all and makes it all feel like a piece of advice to me, a reminder if you will that one musn't fall into this sort of thing. The track as a whole comes over me like a little ray of hope.
Now, I'm not sure to what degree Daniel is trying to get the message across in this case, but I think that if that is the point to this short, the second piece is more heartfelt.

My 2 Euro cents...

Cheers

PD: Also, I don't take to the idea of mixing both tracks at all :hmm:. While it may seem viable, even though they're both very different, I honestly think they don't go hand in hand in a piece like this. The contrast IMO is just too drastic for a short this... short :D

[rblitz7]

I vote soundtrack #1.

The only thing to point out in your short is that the plot resembles too much a comic strip published by Argentinian comic artist Quino. Other than that, your short looks great in every aspect.
He says he was inspired by it here
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=3470530&postcount=122

[chewaka]

Hey Danielo!!

I like the 1st version, but the 2nd version have a great moments...but the 1st is better...I think...I like the short man, in your style, congrats :thumbsup:

Cojona, que mal el ingles eh?, :blush:,se entiende no? pues eso tio, ale, saludos!!!

:beer:

[rexfang]

wow....i love your short. simple and nicely done with the story.

i prefer the first music version. ^^ good job....

[MonkeyMeat]

The download always freezes.... every time i try... is thare any mirrors for the film?

[Ivan del Rio]

Yes, sure, I´ll make a couple of videos showing some techniques that I used in the short :).

Bye:)

wow, great, will be very interesting to watch something of the custom tools You´ve made...
Waiting for it so...

Congrats again.
Ivan.

[JRGauthier]

Congratulation, it's a good short film.
I voted for music 1, I think it's suits the film better.

However, something bothers me, I think there's something missing. Adding some sound fx would probably help, maybe you we're already planning to add some? Maybe some busy city sounds and some footsteps and some "voices" to the characters...etc...

If you do, I'd say during the main action of the movie you should lower the volume of the music a bit and raise it at beginning and end of the movie. I don't know why but to me, at it is right now, it's sounds a bit annoying at some point.

Anyways, congrats again!
Everything else is awesome, especially the animation, it's amazing!

[Blusoul]

Great short, nice simple and effective:thumbsup:
Yep Yep, version 1 is the best choice!

[s2a-adamk]

Neither! Or Both.

They are both too flat. Phrasing of #2 fits the timing of the shots better. #1 is whimsical and fits the mood.

I would start with #2 and somehow switch to #1 in the action.

Good short!

[Aearon]

hi daniel,

now that i know this was your intention, i can see the point. i assume you wanted to create a feeling of anxiety or distress with those fast cuts and the close ups on the feet, if so then it works great. again i have to say this works much better with the second version, and again hats off to a great piece of work!

[theKal]

well, that was awsome man ^^

I prefere the seconde one, cause it make me feel somethings, more emotional music.

the first version, tend to go in the funny way which is very cool too ;)

[RezaMisaghi]

Hey I like it very much , better than all of the old jobs !
But about the music , I think you have a good story + good technical stuff + .... So I think the music should be at other parts level .

I think both choices (1&2) have advantages (we all know it!) but I think you can't mix them to get a perfect one (they don't match) , So I say the best way is to get a NEW original music to compose for yor short with some sound effects (maybe).

That was my 2cent , You have all parts , don't miss this part ;)

Sincerely
Reza.M.

[Raspberry]

Awesome!
Version ONE! Fits with the comic timing of the animation better.

[AVTPro]

I didn't like the first one. It's seems off beat to me and it's too lighthearted especially for the opening. I like the second one much better because it had a marching theme to it.
Problem is the scene changes and the music in the second one doesn't change when things get more lighthearted. So I don't think either works for the whole animation but they both work in part.

The first track would make a good transition for the second half of the film (pivotal points) and the second track is good for the first.
The march beat should go into a pounding when he beats down the breifcase during his breakdown to a silence. The first track should slowly pick up where all the men are sharing at him (piano keys to eye/head pops) and in agreement with the changes in the uniform (clapping to key cycling tones). I think the first would work well especially when they are all happily walking along. Then it should end up in the same mondane marching beat of the second track by the time he's begrudging his plight again.


I'm not a musician so I don't know how to make the chord changes.

Great animation btw. Never had to think about that. No crits there.

[Limponi]

Hi danial

i like ur work very much . i don't know why .....but i feel everyday interest to seeing it

and i like version 1

[C4DS]

Nice short. Watched it over and over again.

I really liked the second version (piano) where there is a bass-line which fits with the line of characters walking. In the first version (guitar) however, I appreciated the lighter tones, and especially the sync of end credits.
I have watched a mix of the two versions and I always pictured the part where you see the line of characters walking using the second music. Where the blue guy gets upset and breaks the line, there the first music would be appropriate, especially when the queue starts clapping their hands (applauding).
As soon as the queue starts walking again, I'd switch back to using the second music.

That's just my opinion.

[ybres]

From the looks of your vote, a lot of people liked The first version. I personaly enjoyed the second one.Anyway nice film:applause:

[matrixreality]

u are one of my favorite artist
i like whats u do it very proffessionnel
good luck and happy to write u .
please u have some good link for aniamtion?
i like version 1

[Wisky]

First music - lighter. Second - more dramatic and editing not so hard equal with musical accent.

[rasmusW]

hey Daniel!

funny little animation, good character and great animations. i voted the first one because i thought it fitted best for the overall of your animation. even though i think the second one, worked best in the beginnig (more dramatic).
so the perfect solution imo, would be a blend between those two:)
oh! btw. i kinda looked like there where a render/comp fail in the middle of the animation. one of the cheering folks tie, is flickering ( -the red color disapeares for a few frames)

can't wait for your next animation:)

-r

[teapot77]

Great animation and the idea is cool as well!!
How about going without music? Only heavy foot steps(that could be kinda music), some sound effect, pretty enough.
Sometimes we just music it for music...u know :p

[teapot77]

I vote for the first one.

[toonpang]

My download always stops halfway through! :sad:

Anyone want to mirror it?

Thanks!

-Kevin

[marciowski]

I Think the audio(s) are not so good as the video.

The video is really very good. I love the animation and the character.

I´m not a sound specialist, but I think the music needs some "changes" in some specials moments. Maybe a silence... To break the thing... like the rebel guy does.

I don´t know. But anyway...

Congratulations! We all love it

[luvictu]

Ei Dani, fantastico corto!!!
I like the script and the mood, and of course the great animation.
And for the songs..... the first one would be my choice without doubt. The second one fits well at the start, making the story more serious and dramatic, but I think it doesn't fit at all when the first reactions start.

Again, congtratulations for this gret job!

Victor.

[iarif]

Great idea... I love the animation...
and I prefer the first one...

iarif

[amitb]

i think u should go with the first one...... it seems more synk :wise:

[psyop63b]

Music2 is better suited for the beginning (downbeat). Maybe a switch to Music1 (upbeat) can be made when the climax comes and everyone starts cheering the main character?

[jehutee]

great stuff.... :thumbsup:
as for music,
the 1st one is better, full-stop.

[Staszek]

Master piece :)

[pepeland]

Hi to all!

First of all, thanks to every one for the comments and suggestions, really help me.
After two weeks of votes, the first version win with a 76% of votes, so the first version will be the final version but I´ll make a better adjustment between music and image, the 80% of comments talk about that.
btw I´ll fix some bugs in render

I think that better solution will be to make a custom music but I don´t want to open another "creative" process in this short, my mind is already thinking in the next one

Daniel

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