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MatthewRodgers
04-13-2006, 02:08 PM
Hey all.
Cavematty reporting again.
Doing a creature design assignment for my illustration class this time.

I decided to take on the mighty centaur.

please comment and let me know what you love or especially what u hate - it helps heaps :)
but if you got nothing to say, then thanks for stopping by :)

Dennispls
04-13-2006, 02:13 PM
Erhm i dont see an image yet?

MatthewRodgers
04-13-2006, 02:14 PM
This has proven to be a real anatomy challenge, seeing as my human anatomy could use some work, not to mention my equine (?) anatomy. In fact before this i dont remember EVER drawing a horse - so i thought itd be a good learning practise.

Starting the thread today because i finally drew something nearing looking respectable (ill post some of the earlier shitty ones too if ya like :P).
Ill post up the story excerpt itll be illustrating too if ya wanna read it and ill keep the thread updated with my concepts as they progress...

anyway heres where im at:


http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/QFuP45QTUaNvY37I.jpg

MatthewRodgers
04-13-2006, 02:15 PM
lol sorry man. took me a few mins to get the pic up :P

ha thanks for stopping by within a few minutes of the thread starting :buttrock:
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keight
04-13-2006, 02:33 PM
You are off to a good start here. The human torso looks very good. As for the equine bit, the fore feet are a bit clunky looking in relation to the torso, but that's artistic license.

The reference book I use, if you need (or want) to check the equine anatomy for accuracy is An Atlas of Animal Anatomy for Artists by W. Ellenberger, H. Dittrich, and H. Baum. It is a Dover publication.

Calimax
04-13-2006, 02:41 PM
The body looks too short in length or it could be just the angle.
I always wonder where all the organs fit into a centaur. It'd be like double the ammount of lungs...

keight
04-13-2006, 05:33 PM
Interesting concept, Calimax. I used to think the same; but the human torso could be mostly muscle and bone with an extended trachea and esophagus, and possibly keeping the heart as an extended pumping station of sorts. The structure of the creature does allow for organ re-arangement.

Calimax
04-13-2006, 06:59 PM
Mmm, it still seems like there's a lot to be silled up. That would be one long spine though. :surprised

Elliepower
04-13-2006, 08:46 PM
Hi,

to me it looks a bit wrong, because the man is sitting up to where the head of the horse might be. It doesn't match I think. Perhaps this is a better proportion to couple them, found by google: http://geschenkedepot.de/images/medium/mc.9527a.jpg

I think the creature is ok, when it could move without falling down, perhaps the weight of the man could be too much or not enough, then it looks like a funny creature with a very small body. By the way in your pic the two figures alone are ok, but together I would play with making the man's body bigger.

But I am not an expert to centaur... lol. And it is difficult to morph them together, perhaps it may help to study the bones of both, the horse and the human?

In my opinion ithis only needs a little change to set it to correct positions and it will be very good.

Ciao,
Ellie :)

Maladie
04-13-2006, 11:40 PM
I like your sketch! As it happens, I spent half my childhood drawing horses and dreaming about having my own horse, etc. etc. Therefore I can tell you that:

- the horses shoulders look fine, but just a little too muscular;

- his belly is too round (slim him down!);

- his knees are a little low;

- his back could be a little more arched between the shoulders and rearhand (if that's a word, I translated from Dutch, I mean his butt:)).

Anyway my drawing is still very early days, so maybe I shouldn't talk...your drawing brought back sweet memories though, lol, so I thought I might throw in my two cents. Good luck!

MatthewRodgers
04-17-2006, 07:57 AM
Hey cheers for the awesome feedback guys. Sorry for the slow update - its been a distracting easter.
Good point calimax! I never really thought about that before but yes - there would be double of many organs... I never even considered. It is a weird thing to think about.
As for the anatomical reference i have a cool book called "Anatomy drawing school" which has horse anatomy in it as well. So ive been looking at it a bit but im new to horses so keep the crits coming cos i dont have an eye for them yet.

Elliepower- cheers for the comment and going to the trouble of looking up google. much appreciated. However i think ill keep the human part smallish - otherwise its either giant human part or miniature horse part. Plus in the story i am illustrating, the cetaur is a magical guardian in the service of an evil enchantress. Thus i picture him more like a minotaur than the noble centaurs seen in the likes of narnia. He is more animal and more powerful. Thus the exaggerated muscles of the horse, the big feet, and the Buff human bit.

All ive got to post right now is a reeel quick colouring job of the last sketch.
Jus sitting down to do some work now so ill post up some more tonight. Maybe some head studies (A bit more of a crossover than simply being human i think :)


http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/aZn2n5xXr1WMJt7s.jpg

MatthewRodgers
04-17-2006, 09:03 AM
Heres the first go at a head.
Its a bit cutesy for now, but hoses faces arent as aggresive as bulls :(
still its a start
(i know the first one just looks funny!)

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/zSMNE8uglst2cKg8.jpg

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/WgHJkEOzpcWOhs3D.jpg

MatthewRodgers
04-17-2006, 11:54 AM
ok a couple more head studies.
the ps one is trying to make the previous one above look a little less heroic :P
the scanned in one is an older drawing - and as i have noted alongside it, it looks a little too jar jar binks for my liking :(

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/E4ztRT5smduQSZBB.jpg

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/Qem4xt4rjXMpHErV.jpg

MatthewRodgers
04-24-2006, 11:38 PM
Heres a development on the head.
Lookin a bit more like a villain tho still a pretty heroic disney villan but its getting there i feel.
Any comments ?

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/Fabio/pics/JrlurmRyUyu0WMPF.jpg

MatthewRodgers
05-14-2006, 10:35 AM
heres a skeleton view of the centaur :)
comin along slowly :P

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7107/2814/400/SkullProfile.jpg


and a compositional and colour rough. pretty happy with it - gonna start tidying it up methinks


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7107/2814/400/Working_Greyscale5_post.jpg

DDS
05-14-2006, 12:17 PM
loving it, can't wait until u begin adding details

edit: if he is aiming at the people, it seems it would make more sense if the spine was rotated more to them.

Iridyse
05-14-2006, 02:13 PM
I really like all your sketches of the centaur. It's really nice to see how you're experimenting with combining the equine and human characteristics in the head. The colours rough is looking real good too. I like the tilt, it adds so much more drama.

MatthewRodgers
05-16-2006, 10:53 AM
Hey thanks guys.
Some good advice and lovely praise for my ego :D
heres a little update on the work since i posted and efore i read your comments...

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7107/2814/1600/ColorHandIn_d.jpg

Sneakybunny
06-26-2006, 04:47 AM
freak'n cool matty, the only thing if anything is the composition might be a little heavy on the left and right . If the spear tip was higher and closer to the castle in the background it woud let the eye wonder around more. But i loving the dynamic posing of each character too. Go Kiwi go

Ravenslayer
06-26-2006, 11:11 AM
a very nice scene you have there . It's very dynamic. I also like the head design you made it gives an extra touch to the centaur. Can't wait to see this one finished

MatthewRodgers
06-26-2006, 11:52 PM
Hehe thanks guys! This thread has been dormant for a short while while i worked on something else.
The weighting to the sides is cos this was intitally planned as a double page spread - and i was scared of the fold! (Though once i decided to just make it a painting the hand ended up right on the foldline!).
Ill get back into it this week and, with your suggestions, see how this sucker will look a bit more refined.
And yeah go kiwi :)

Squibbit
06-27-2006, 02:38 PM
hey matty long time no see, pretty cool stuff there dude


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Dianae
06-27-2006, 03:06 PM
Great work! The front legs of the centaur are very well done, but I think that there is a problem with the back ones. Good dynamic!

Mysteryhunt
06-27-2006, 09:52 PM
wow this is lookign fantastic! you are very talented. though one spot you might want to take a closer look at the the left hand, it looks a little funky holding the spear. keep up the good work!

MatthewRodgers
09-28-2006, 12:03 AM
Hey guys.
Finally a couple months later, Ive found a bit of time to go back in and touch up this this pic. Its changed direction a bit, so I'd love some crits.
Especially in regard to pallette and lighting, and maybe the texture ive added.
Thanks heaps everyone :)
Matty



http://cavematty.com/Galleries/Gallery_Illus/Centaur.jpg

darth
09-28-2006, 12:44 AM
Hey Matty

Looking good. The improvements are working well now. It is looking a lot more earirreeeeee ( I cannot spell) The textures and xtra clouds add a sense of wind and darkness to the overall image. Keep up the good work. Can you crop the image in a bit moving the guy on the horse, well horse guy across being more agressive and bolder in the image really threating the two people.

Awesomeo!!!:thumbsup::applause::buttrock:

MatthewRodgers
09-28-2006, 06:27 AM
haha hey darth,
thanks for the crit.
the spacing is a little weird because it was initially meant to be for a double page spread in a kids book... (there is text to go over the clouds top left, i really shoulda included that I guess,but as it is now a personal project that didnt seem so important. I might add it back in and post it again to see what you all think).
I could try wriggling him across a bit too :)
keep an eye out, no time today but ill get onto it :)
peace

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